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Re: ADMIN: Oddball Decals

Thomas Baker
 

MIKE,

I have the very same question. IF it's a go with ODDBALLS, I plan to place an order.

Tom
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From: STMFC@... [STMFC@...] on behalf of Mike Brock [brockm@...]
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 11:05 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] ADMIN: Oddball Decals

Since an advertisement for Oddballs decals has made it to the STMFC and
since there have been several messages showing concern about Oddballs
capability to produce product in a timely manner, I think it is a good time
to inquire to the members if anyone has received a decal from Oddballs in,
say, the last 3 months. Please send any responses to:

STMFC-owner@...

Please do not send responses to the STMFC.

Thanks

Mike Brock
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Re: Photo of PT on SP flat

Bruce Smith
 

Brian, Folks,

As I noted earlier, this isn't really a very good cargo for long-distance movement by rails due to the beam of these PR boats. However there are other "boats" that fit the WWII era and would be most appropriate. One is readily modeled in HO (not sure about N) and these are LCVP landing craft. They were transported on their sides on flat cars over long distances, There is a photo of some on the Erie in the book America's Fighting Railroads by Don DeNevi. Alternatively, and more difficult to model would be other boats. One of the most interesting "boat cargos" I have seen are 2 Army tugboats or tenders shown in photos at the signal corps archives at the Library of Va. The shipment is carried on 3 flat cars and consists of 2 cars carrying the hulls, in an upright position with very little on the decks, and one flat carry two deckhouses the boats. A scratch building project for sure <G>! Al Brown has also modeled a private motor vessel secured to a PRR F22 as shown in photos from the Florida archive... and which likely represents a private vessel being returned to its owner following requisition into the coastal defense forces.


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On Sep 17, 2012, at 12:44 AM, Brian wrote:


I wish someone made one close to 1:160!

Take Care,

Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, UT
Re: Coupling distance

soolinehistory <destorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "spsalso" <Edwardsutorik@...> wrote:

Rob,

I doubt there was a standard distance. The only reason to be concerned was that a brakeman could make it between two cars on the roofwalks/running boards/whatever they were/are. Other than that, I think the distance you mention just "happened", mostly based on the dimensions of the couplers and their shanks.
Of course there was a standard distance, it was defined by the ARA standard couplers, first the D, later the E, and the draft gear in use, which almost universally had a three inch travel during most of the period covered by this list. The draft gear stops were fitted to the center sill so that the coupler had three inches of travel before the "horn" on the back of the head came into contact with the "striker" a heavy casting fitted to the end of the center sills to take the blow of the coupler horn under heavy impact. Both the Type E and Type D coupler before it had a 12" striker horn to pulling face dimension, so at rest two coupled cars would be 30" between the strikers. This could vary as much as 6" in either direction, but only at the moment of sever impacts; the draft gears would quickly return to their normal length. The normal variation of distance between strikers was 1", the amount of "free knuckle slack" designed into both the D and E couplers.

Prior to WWI, when couplers of the MCB pattern were still in use the distance between strikers was somewhat shorter, as the MCB couplers were only 10.25" between striker horn and pulling face. After the advent of hydraulic cushioning, the amount of travel in the draft gear became much longer, and coupled cars are noticeably further apart.

I don't think it's really possible to get the proper distance between cars using the full size KD coupler or any of it's "clones", the couplers are oversize and to get the proper length over the pulling faces, the striker almost disappears under the car, which looks worse than a couple extra scale inches between the car ends. Both the Accumate PROTO:HO coupler and the Sergent with narrow draft gear, which uses the PROTO:HO box, will give the correct distance between cars if the striker end of the box is mounted where the prototype striker is in relationship to the car body.

Dennis Storzek
Accurail, Inc.
Re: Photo of PT on SP flat

Brian Termunde
 

I wish someone made one close to 1:160!

Take Care,

Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, UT



"My Train of Thought left the station without me!"

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Sent: Sat, Sep 15, 2012 7:48 am
Subject: [STMFC] Digest Number 7542


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a. Re: Photo of PT on SP flat
Posted by: "lnbill" fgexbill@... lnbill
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2012 3:20 am ((PDT))
I don't know about the flat but Revell made a 1/96th scale of the Higgins PT. I
m not sure if they are still in production but they can be found.
Bill Welch
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Re: FUTURE FLOOR WAX

Tim O'Connor
 

Al Brown wrote

> Yellowing over time needn't imply any pigment is present initially.
> Reaction with air

You mean oxygen and nitrogen, both colorless, transparent gases?

> or light

If by "light" you mean UV, then you'd better believe your model color
is going to change, and HOW!

Here's how to test Future (it's NOT a floor wax!) theory:

1) Find a piece of pure, clear acrylic sheet
2) Overspray it with Future (if you dilute use only distilled water)
3) Dry it and leave it in a dark, smoke free place for 20 years
4) Now check the color by holding it up out of doors -- see any YELLOW?
5) No? I didn't think so.

Tim O'Connor
Intermountain NYC Pacemaker boxcars

Brian Carlson
 

The IM NYC Pacemaker boxcars are beginning to hit the intermountain dealer.
When the ad first came out (March 2011, Yikes!) we discussed ends for the
cars. Andy carlson wrote:

Intermountain already has two "3/4" improved Dreadnaught ends for 10-0 IH
cars.

The first is the thin-R+3/4 IDE, which is the end sold when buying loose
parts.

The 2nd is a 3/4 IDE, which has no thin rectangular top rib, but does have a

middle crease at the top.

I also seem to remember when Intermountain first brought out their GN 12
panel
40' boxcar in the 1990s, they had another 3/4 end, which I remember because
the
mold gates were on the side edges of the ends, competing with the "D" nubs
pretending to be rivets.



Has anyone purchased these cars and can tell what end IM used?



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga, NY
Re: Photo and negative collections

railsnw@frontier.com <railsnw@...>
 

I do if I get a chance. Recently picked up nearly 1,000 medium format B&W negs of electric railways in the US, Canada, and UK. A number were of freight motors and in some cases freight cars.

Richard Wilkens

--- In STMFC@..., wlhoss@... wrote:

Out of curiosity, who's still buying negative collections these days.

Bill Hoss

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Re: 2012 RPM/Naperville Conference re Speakers

Gene <mopac1@...>
 

Richard,

What would nenice is a list of topics along with the speakers.

Gene Semon

--- In STMFC@..., Rhbale@... wrote:

Hi Bill...

The complete speakers list for Naperville has been listed for the past
couple of months in the Selected Events section of Model Railroad Hobbyist, the
free on-line magazine..


Go to mrhmag.com, click on Start Reading Now, than type 132 in the little
white page box.

Richard Bale
(http://www.model-railroad-hobbyist.com/)



In a message dated 9/15/2012 8:41:56 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
fgexbill@... writes:




Sure would be nice to see a Speaker's List somewhere!

Bill Welch

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<dhussey@> wrote:

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

19th Annual RPM/Naperville Conference dates are Oct. 18 thur., 19th
Fri., 20 Sat. 2012 at the Marriott Chicago-Naperville Hotel in Naperville,
Il. There will be an excellent group of speakers, large model display room
with operating modular layouts, and full three days of vendor displays and
selling. Full three day registration available or Sat. one day
registration. Complete registration, speaker sign up, and vendor info on RPM web-site:

_ (http://www.model-railroad-hobbyist.com/)
_http://www.railroadprototypemodelers.org_ (http://www.railroadprototypemodelers.org/) _

or call or write to:

Joe DElia
P O BOX 2701
Carlsbad, Ca. 92018
(760) 721-3393
It will be a great show hope you can join us.

Sent for Joe by
Dave Husseey
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Re: FUTURE FLOOR WAX

al_brown03
 

Yellowing over time needn't imply any pigment is present initially. Reaction with air or light or ambient moisture (or various other less likely agents) to create something colored would do it. Also, many colors when highly dilute appear yellow. I haven't studied the materials in "Future" so can't be more specific, and I haven't used it on my STMFCs (required content).

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@..., tgregmrtn@... wrote:


Tim and all,

I have seen this just like Jim Evans as he is talking about some 1/48th aircraft models my brother built. He used it when it was all the rage in the military crowd. The underside of one aircraft he had painted WHITE is now YELLOW as well as the white in the insignias on top. One aircraft (German) that was painted blue is now a different shade of green.

Why would anyone test the waters when this warning has been going around for years. I have no explaination for it and as I see it none is needed. Why not just buy a product that is really made to do what you expect it to do?

Yes FLOQUIL Clear Gloss has an amber tint in the bottle but I have never found it to translate onto a model enough to make a sugnificant difference. The FUTURE is a different story if your lucky YMMV

Take your chances boys, step and roll the dice.

Greg Martin


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To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Fri, Sep 14, 2012 2:12 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] FUTURE FLOOR WAX





Jim

Could be some interaction between the acrylic and the underlying paint -- Future has no
pigment in it so I don't see how it could turn yellow. Floquil Glaze has a yellowish cast and
was often mixed with other Floquil colors (on older models) to make them dry faster and
go on smoother. I've oversprayed a couple of models with Floquil 'clear coats' and had them
turn slightly yellowish, possibly reacting to the underlying non-Floquil paint.

Tim O'Connor

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To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 3:45:31 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] FUTURE FLOOR WAX

I have had and know a few people who used to use the ( Floor Way ) on
there models. This is over 30 years ago. after a few years of being out in the
air the models turned ( YELLOW ) Those that didn't use it did not change..
Don't know if they have changed it or not but I have an ALCO model's New
Haven EP-5 that has gone YELLOW with age and the only way to fix it is
strip it.
And it has spent it's life in the box and not on a layout. Still Yellow.
I wouldn't use it again. But like I said It was ALL the rage in the IPMS
crowd way back almost 40 years ago.

Jim Evans

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Re: Photo and negative collections

billsoman
 

And the PNRA (Pacific Northwest Railroad Archive) for Northwest roads, a joint venture of multiple railroad historical societies. The member societies generally accept and accession the donations, with some exceptions.

http://pnrarchive.org
http://www.gn-npjointarchive.org

--- Bill Sornsin, Seattle

--- In STMFC@..., "tedander2000" <tedander@...> wrote:


For those disposing of their car photo collections, perhaps it is wise to consider either donating to a friend or donating to a railroad archive during one's lifetime or making it mandatory in one's last will and testament. There are a number of archives: for an example of western roads, consider the California State Railroad Museum, who have a full time department and head archivist. For the Midwest there are a number of archives with controlled temperature and humidity. Some private electric car photo collections have passed on through the auspices of CERA and are appearing in their's and other's publications. At the IRM's Pullman Library, we are in the final stages of obtaining about 400 Pullman glass plate negatives, mostly passenger car interiors. Additional scanned and copied material is available, including builder's prints of the freight car correspondence from the new storage facility containing P-S freight lot files 8000 through the 9000's and lastly end of production 1000's. In the photo collection, a donation of rail car photographs and negatives is always welcome that they may be available to our succeeding generations. There will always be collectors, but not necessarily availability of prints or scans for future collectors. We will exchange high resolution digital scans and ink jet prints in exchange for donated originals, that at present will retain the photographic copyright and will allow us to assure they can be copied without restriction. We do honor the copyright held on Osgood Bradley negatives held at the Worcester Historical Society even though we too hold O. B. Builder's Prints and will not print copies unless notified that they cannot supply them, likewise for the Smithsonian Pullman negative collection.
Sincerely, Ted Anderson, IRM Pullman Library curator
Re: Coupling distance

spsalso
 

Rob,

I doubt there was a standard distance. The only reason to be concerned was that a brakeman could make it between two cars on the roofwalks/running boards/whatever they were/are. Other than that, I think the distance you mention just "happened", mostly based on the dimensions of the couplers and their shanks.

On a slight different note, EMD E's and F's were spaced 36" apart measured at the end of the car body (from Kalmbach's "Cyclopedia, Vol. 2"), and lightweight passenger cars were about 30" apart (from the Davies UP passenger car books).

Unless, of course, I'm wrong.


Ed

Edward Sutorik
Re: ACF drawings

Ed Hawkins
 

On Sep 16, 2012, at 11:54 AM, Tom Vanwormer wrote:

Gregory Roberts wrote:

>Anybody check the Beringer Collection at Washington University in
>St. Louis?
>
>Greg
Greg,
In case there is a misunderstaning, the Barriger National Railroad
Library (so named for donator John Barriger) is part of the St. Louis
Mercantile Library, which is located on the campus of the University of
Missouri - St. Louis (or UMSL as it is called). In addition to the many
items donated by John Barriger, they have the ACF builder's photo
collection as well as other documentation donated by ACF to this
institution in the mid-1990s. The Mercantile Library does not have any
drawing collections to my knowledge.

Washington University, also in St. Louis, has a collection of builder's
photos of the St. Louis Car Company. This company produced no freight
cars to speak of, but they did manufacture a number of caboose orders
and many passenger cars, gas-electrics, and street cars.

The ACF drawing collection that I alluded to earlier is at the Museum
of Transportation at Kirkwood, Missouri (St. Louis area). The MOT is
not affiliated with the Mercantile Library or Washington University.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins
Re: ACF drawings

Tom Vanwormer
 

Gregory Roberts wrote:

Anybody check the Beringer Collection at Washington University in
St. Louis?

Greg


Ed Hawkins wrote:
Dear list


<>Does anyone know of a source for American Car and Foundry
drawings i.e.along the lines of the IRM Pullman/Haskell and Barker
collection? I am especially interested in Berwick plant production in
the 1907-12 period.
Sincerely yours,
Laurance King

Laurance,
It's apparent the ACF drawings from circa pre-1930 were thrown out by
the company decades ago. The same was true for bills of materials for
cars built before 1931. Chances are ACF cleaned house sometime in the
1960s or early 1970s. Luckily not everything was trashed.

A large collection of ACF drawings are kept at the Museum of
Transportation. While there are a smattering of drawings from the late
1920s, the main part of the collection is from the early 1930s through
1950s and later.

The St. Louis Mercantile Library has the ACF bills of materials for
cars built from 1931 to 1952 as well as the ACF builder's photo
collection dating back to even before ACF became a company in 1899.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins
ADMIN: Oddball Decals

Mikebrock
 

Since an advertisement for Oddballs decals has made it to the STMFC and since there have been several messages showing concern about Oddballs capability to produce product in a timely manner, I think it is a good time to inquire to the members if anyone has received a decal from Oddballs in, say, the last 3 months. Please send any responses to:

STMFC-owner@...

Please do not send responses to the STMFC.

Thanks

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner
Re: F39

cinderandeight@...
 

Bill,
Here are the drawing numbers I am aware of:

E456381 Guard Rail Assy.
D455907 Universal Hand brake Arrangement
A455944 Brake Arrangement
A455333 General Arrangement
E455326 Brake piping Diagram
Rich Burg
F39

Bill Lane
 

If anyone has the PRR drawings or knows the drawing numbers for the
following for the F39 (Not the F39a or F39b) please reply directly to
bill@...



General Arrangement

Frame/underframe

Flip down ramps



I have other F39 materials & builders photos if you want to trade.



Thank You,
Bill Lane

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Coupling distance

roblmclear <rob.mclear3@...>
 

Hello to all this may seem like a bit of a stupid question and I am sure that the information has been posted somewhere before but I can't seem to locate it, do any of you freight car doyens out there know what the standard (if there was one) coupling distance between freight cars was. I am curious because I want to set my couplers to as prototypical distance as possible.

I am pretty sure that there would be differences in types of cars, but for starters can we limit it to boxcars and reefers. What was the standard distance between cars of this type. Any help would be appreciated thanks.

Regards
Rob McLear
Kingaroy Australia.
Re: FUTURE FLOOR WAX

NHJJ4@...
 

I don't know about Floquil. I used Scale Coat and Baked it on No clear, no
gloss nutten but the old scale coat from the late 60s early 70s. But was
told use Future ?? With that paint you don't need a clear gloss. Maybe in
the last forty + years they changed the formula. And as far as a ( WAX )
yellowing Yes it does All the time.
I used to take care of floors at a school. And Wax does yellow.
The Formula on the Future has been changed I would guess BUT there are
plenty of people who can tell you it did yellow. I have the engine to prove
it. My Buddy Ed has a model plane that should have white under side of
wings and when folded they have a yellow tint. These were Hi Class model
winners at ( IPMS )
For runner of the RPM types we have now a days And are still around
today. Went to a show today.
Models that went ( Floor Waxed) didn't turn. I don't care if it has
changed or not. I wont use it & lots of luck
if you do.

Jim Evans

In a message dated 9/15/2012 7:40:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
Rashputin@... writes:




It is "Pledge with Future" and Kmart keeps it in stock all the time now. I
asked at two different stores and they said it's a standard stock item so I
don't think that would be regional or anything. I have things I used it on
in the early eighties and they haven't yellowed yet so I agree with the
post
about it being some of the underlying Floquil glaze that causes they
yellowing.

R Hume

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Re: FUTURE FLOOR WAX

Tom Vanwormer
 

folks,
In Colorado you find the Pledge with Future at Wal Mart.
Tom VanWormer
Monument CO

Gary Ray wrote:



Tried our local Kmart last week with no luck - just two fragrances of
Pledge
(neither with Future - and I certainly don't want scents). Will try Home
Depot tomorrow.
Gary Ray
Near Paradise, CA

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Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 7:41 PM
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Subject: [STMFC] Re: FUTURE FLOOR WAX

It is "Pledge with Future" and Kmart keeps it in stock all the time now. I
asked at two different stores and they said it's a standard stock item
so I
don't think that would be regional or anything. I have things I used it on
in the early eighties and they haven't yellowed yet so I agree with
the post
about it being some of the underlying Floquil glaze that causes they
yellowing.

R Hume



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Re: FUTURE FLOOR WAX

Gary Ray
 

Tried our local Kmart last week with no luck - just two fragrances of Pledge
(neither with Future - and I certainly don't want scents). Will try Home
Depot tomorrow.
Gary Ray
Near Paradise, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Rashputin
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 7:41 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: FUTURE FLOOR WAX

It is "Pledge with Future" and Kmart keeps it in stock all the time now. I
asked at two different stores and they said it's a standard stock item so I
don't think that would be regional or anything. I have things I used it on
in the early eighties and they haven't yellowed yet so I agree with the post
about it being some of the underlying Floquil glaze that causes they
yellowing.



R Hume







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