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Re: Photo and negative collections

Bill Welch
 

I agree about the NMRA collection although mysteriously, the online photos seem to be shrinking in number. When I first discovered this resource about a year ago, most of the Bob Charles Collection was viewable. Now only a few RR reporting marks are viewable. I have alerted Brent at the Library but I just looked and still only a few of the some 400+ plus photos can be seen from this collection. I hope this will get fixed.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., "Steve Sandifer" <steve.sandifer@...> wrote:

To the list of Archives, I add the NMRA library which is scanning their
materials and making them available on line (http://www.nmra.org/ )and the
Temple Railroad and Heritage Museum in Temple, Texas, which host the Santa
Fe Society Archives along with a very substantial collection from other
lives. It is the premium site in Texas with full time archivist and easy to
work with research staff. http://www.rrhm.org/



______________________________________________

J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer

mailto:steve.sandifer@...

Home: 12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918

Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX
77025, 713-667-9417



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
tedander2000
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 10:45 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Photo and negative collections







For those disposing of their car photo collections, perhaps it is wise to
consider either donating to a friend or donating to a railroad archive
during one's lifetime or making it mandatory in one's last will and
testament. There are a number of archives: for an example of western roads,
consider the California State Railroad Museum, who have a full time
department and head archivist. For the Midwest there are a number of
archives with controlled temperature and humidity. Some private electric car
photo collections have passed on through the auspices of CERA and are
appearing in their's and other's publications. At the IRM's Pullman Library,
we are in the final stages of obtaining about 400 Pullman glass plate
negatives, mostly passenger car interiors. Additional scanned and copied
material is available, including builder's prints of the freight car
correspondence from the new storage facility containing P-S freight lot
files 8000 through the 9000's and lastly end of production 1000's. In the
photo collection, a donation of rail car photographs and negatives is always
welcome that they may be available to our succeeding generations. There will
always be collectors, but not necessarily availability of prints or scans
for future collectors. We will exchange high resolution digital scans and
ink jet prints in exchange for donated originals, that at present will
retain the photographic copyright and will allow us to assure they can be
copied without restriction. We do honor the copyright held on Osgood Bradley
negatives held at the Worcester Historical Society even though we too hold
O. B. Builder's Prints and will not print copies unless notified that they
cannot supply them, likewise for the Smithsonian Pullman negative
collection.
Sincerely, Ted Anderson, IRM Pullman Library curator

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "lnbill"
<fgexbill@> wrote:

Which is precisely why I have pleaded with Mike Gruber and Jay Williams to
contact Mr. Lorenz and to explore the possibility of renting his negatives.
I have done this for three years or more now and everytime I see them they
kind of shuffle and apologize but still no action, hence my urging a few
weeks ago to people on this list to make a similar request to Messrs. Gruber
and Williams. Maybe if they understand there is some demand they will
contact him. Anyone follow through yet?

Bill Welch

you have, from train show vendor table conversations a few years ago,
the collection s of Bob Lorenz that are in a "limbo" situation where Bob
has changed his interests from developing and printing from negatives
towards oil painting.

Al Kresse

Romeo, Michigan

----- Original Message -----


From: "Thomas Baker" <bakert@>
To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 1:51:33 PM
Subject: [STMFC] RE: Photo and negative collections

Over the past several years, we have lost a number of photographers
and/or collectors of photos and negatives. Â Does anyone know what has
become of the collections of the following:

1. John Hummeston [I'm not sure of the spelling, but I understand he had
a signficiant number of photos and negatives.]

2. Robert Malinoski from the Pittsburgh area. Â I'm not sure about the
spelling there either, but he also took many photos and slides.

3. Bill Raia purchased many photo and negative collections from others
and was a great source of prototypical information. Â What has happened to
his collection?

Tom

________________________________________








Re: What Type of car ends are on this Cotton Belt Boxcar?

rwitt_2000
 

I have found a few patents that are similar to the ends in the photo.
Remember that the ends actually manufactured often did not follow any
patents to avoid licensing fees and royalties.

My candidates for the ends are these patent numbers: 001208915,
001271234, 001237397, and 001208916.

If you want to see many of the patents for freight cars ends, at the
USPTO.gov web site enter this in the field "CCL/105/510" in the advanced
search mode.

http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/PTO/search-adv.htm


"105" is the classification for "railroad rolling stock" and "410" is
classification for "ends".
Search results:
Searching US Patent Collection...

Results of Search in US Patent Collection db for:
CCL/105/410: 442 patents.

Regards,

Bob Witt

--- In STMFC@..., "wvrail" <eric@...> wrote:

Greetings Bob!

The steel vertical corrugated ends installed on the W&LE
single-sheathed box cars were two stamped sections with a vertical seam
in the center. There is a rendering of this end in the 1922 CBCyc, Fig.
626, installed on W&LE box car 27024.

In the same 1922 CBCyc, a double-sheathed, door-and-a-half automobile
car also sports the full steel vertical corrugated ends. Pere Marquette
85300 is used as Fig. 2610 with a 5-22 NEW date.

I believe I've seen another example similar to the two panel end on
the Cotton Belt box car, but I can't recall where at the moment.

Eric



Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX



--- In STMFC@..., "rwitt_2000" rwitt_2000@ wrote:

Gary and Al,

In the first two decades of the 2oth century, there were laterally
hundreds of patents filed and issued for steel ends for box cars. I
would be less certain that this one may be a "Vulcan", but rather
some
variation of a two-piece steel end with vertical corrugations rather
than horizontal ones. I recall that the "Vulcan" end and its
variations
were one-piece.

I will look at my notebook on patents to see if I can find one that
is
close to this one.

Regards,

Bob Witt


FW: [RITSlist] Re: [RI_models] FW: RI 5000-5292 box cars

BRIAN PAUL EHNI <behni@...>
 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

From: Jim Eager <jeager@...>
Reply-To: <RITSlist@...>
Date: Friday, September 14, 2012 10:52 AM
To: RI Models <RI_models@...>
Cc: RITS <RITSlist@...>, Rock Island Rockets
<rockislandrockets@...>, "Lee A. Gautreaux"
<railgoat@...>
Subject: [RITSlist] Re: [RI_models] FW: [STMFC] RI 5000-5292 box cars







On 14-Sep-12, at 8:32 AM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI wrote on Lee's behalf:

Does anyone have builder and build date info for RI 5000-5292? I
have the PS-built cars RI 5085-5184.
RI 5000-5084 ?, DF loaders - don't have info on them, but I suspect
they may be renumbered ACF cars from one of the series noted below.

RI 5085-5184, blt PS 12-54, lot 8210, DF loaders

RI 5185-5284, ex-30500-30699 series, blt ACF 12-55, lot 4554, DF loaders

RI 5285-5292, ex-30900-30999 series, blt ACF 12-60, lot 5565, SEL
loaders

Jim Eager <jeager@... <mailto:jeager%40sympatico.ca> >
Toronto, Ontario, Canada









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Re: Photo and negative collections

Steve SANDIFER
 

To the list of Archives, I add the NMRA library which is scanning their
materials and making them available on line (http://www.nmra.org/ )and the
Temple Railroad and Heritage Museum in Temple, Texas, which host the Santa
Fe Society Archives along with a very substantial collection from other
lives. It is the premium site in Texas with full time archivist and easy to
work with research staff. http://www.rrhm.org/



______________________________________________

J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer

mailto:steve.sandifer@...

Home: 12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918

Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX
77025, 713-667-9417



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
tedander2000
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 10:45 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Photo and negative collections







For those disposing of their car photo collections, perhaps it is wise to
consider either donating to a friend or donating to a railroad archive
during one's lifetime or making it mandatory in one's last will and
testament. There are a number of archives: for an example of western roads,
consider the California State Railroad Museum, who have a full time
department and head archivist. For the Midwest there are a number of
archives with controlled temperature and humidity. Some private electric car
photo collections have passed on through the auspices of CERA and are
appearing in their's and other's publications. At the IRM's Pullman Library,
we are in the final stages of obtaining about 400 Pullman glass plate
negatives, mostly passenger car interiors. Additional scanned and copied
material is available, including builder's prints of the freight car
correspondence from the new storage facility containing P-S freight lot
files 8000 through the 9000's and lastly end of production 1000's. In the
photo collection, a donation of rail car photographs and negatives is always
welcome that they may be available to our succeeding generations. There will
always be collectors, but not necessarily availability of prints or scans
for future collectors. We will exchange high resolution digital scans and
ink jet prints in exchange for donated originals, that at present will
retain the photographic copyright and will allow us to assure they can be
copied without restriction. We do honor the copyright held on Osgood Bradley
negatives held at the Worcester Historical Society even though we too hold
O. B. Builder's Prints and will not print copies unless notified that they
cannot supply them, likewise for the Smithsonian Pullman negative
collection.
Sincerely, Ted Anderson, IRM Pullman Library curator

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "lnbill"
<fgexbill@...> wrote:

Which is precisely why I have pleaded with Mike Gruber and Jay Williams to
contact Mr. Lorenz and to explore the possibility of renting his negatives.
I have done this for three years or more now and everytime I see them they
kind of shuffle and apologize but still no action, hence my urging a few
weeks ago to people on this list to make a similar request to Messrs. Gruber
and Williams. Maybe if they understand there is some demand they will
contact him. Anyone follow through yet?

Bill Welch

you have, from train show vendor table conversations a few years ago,
the collection s of Bob Lorenz that are in a "limbo" situation where Bob
has changed his interests from developing and printing from negatives
towards oil painting.

Al Kresse

Romeo, Michigan

----- Original Message -----


From: "Thomas Baker" <bakert@>
To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 1:51:33 PM
Subject: [STMFC] RE: Photo and negative collections

Over the past several years, we have lost a number of photographers
and/or collectors of photos and negatives. Â Does anyone know what has
become of the collections of the following:

1. John Hummeston [I'm not sure of the spelling, but I understand he had
a signficiant number of photos and negatives.]

2. Robert Malinoski from the Pittsburgh area. Â I'm not sure about the
spelling there either, but he also took many photos and slides.

3. Bill Raia purchased many photo and negative collections from others
and was a great source of prototypical information. Â What has happened to
his collection?

Tom

________________________________________

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Re: Photo and negative collections

tedander2000
 

For those disposing of their car photo collections, perhaps it is wise to consider either donating to a friend or donating to a railroad archive during one's lifetime or making it mandatory in one's last will and testament. There are a number of archives: for an example of western roads, consider the California State Railroad Museum, who have a full time department and head archivist. For the Midwest there are a number of archives with controlled temperature and humidity. Some private electric car photo collections have passed on through the auspices of CERA and are appearing in their's and other's publications. At the IRM's Pullman Library, we are in the final stages of obtaining about 400 Pullman glass plate negatives, mostly passenger car interiors. Additional scanned and copied material is available, including builder's prints of the freight car correspondence from the new storage facility containing P-S freight lot files 8000 through the 9000's and lastly end of production 1000's. In the photo collection, a donation of rail car photographs and negatives is always welcome that they may be available to our succeeding generations. There will always be collectors, but not necessarily availability of prints or scans for future collectors. We will exchange high resolution digital scans and ink jet prints in exchange for donated originals, that at present will retain the photographic copyright and will allow us to assure they can be copied without restriction. We do honor the copyright held on Osgood Bradley negatives held at the Worcester Historical Society even though we too hold O. B. Builder's Prints and will not print copies unless notified that they cannot supply them, likewise for the Smithsonian Pullman negative collection.
Sincerely, Ted Anderson, IRM Pullman Library curator

--- In STMFC@..., "lnbill" <fgexbill@...> wrote:

Which is precisely why I have pleaded with Mike Gruber and Jay Williams to contact Mr. Lorenz and to explore the possibility of renting his negatives. I have done this for three years or more now and everytime I see them they kind of shuffle and apologize but still no action, hence my urging a few weeks ago to people on this list to make a similar request to Messrs. Gruber and Williams. Maybe if they understand there is some demand they will contact him. Anyone follow through yet?

Bill Welch

you have, from train show vendor table conversations a few years ago, the collection s of Bob Lorenz  that are in a "limbo" situation where Bob has changed his interests from developing and printing from negatives towards oil painting.

Al Kresse

Romeo, Michigan

----- Original Message -----


From: "Thomas Baker" <bakert@>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 1:51:33 PM
Subject: [STMFC] RE: Photo and negative collections

Over the past several years, we have lost a number of photographers and/or collectors of photos and negatives.  Does anyone know what has become of the collections of the following:

1. John Hummeston [I'm not sure of the spelling, but I understand he had a signficiant number of photos and negatives.]

2. Robert Malinoski from the Pittsburgh area.  I'm not sure about the spelling there either, but he also took many photos and slides.

3. Bill Raia purchased many photo and negative collections from others and was a great source of prototypical information.  What has happened to his collection?

Tom

________________________________________

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Re: What Type of car ends are on this Cotton Belt Boxcar?

Eric Hansmann
 

Greetings Bob!

The steel vertical corrugated ends installed on the W&LE single-sheathed box cars were two stamped sections with a vertical seam in the center. There is a rendering of this end in the 1922 CBCyc, Fig. 626, installed on W&LE box car 27024.

In the same 1922 CBCyc, a double-sheathed, door-and-a-half automobile car also sports the full steel vertical corrugated ends. Pere Marquette 85300 is used as Fig. 2610 with a 5-22 NEW date.

I believe I've seen another example similar to the two panel end on the Cotton Belt box car, but I can't recall where at the moment.

Eric



Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX

--- In STMFC@..., "rwitt_2000" <rwitt_2000@...> wrote:

Gary and Al,

In the first two decades of the 2oth century, there were laterally
hundreds of patents filed and issued for steel ends for box cars. I
would be less certain that this one may be a "Vulcan", but rather some
variation of a two-piece steel end with vertical corrugations rather
than horizontal ones. I recall that the "Vulcan" end and its variations
were one-piece.

I will look at my notebook on patents to see if I can find one that is
close to this one.

Regards,

Bob Witt


Re: Southern Pacific "Overnight" Express Boxcars

james murrie
 

If its between about mid-November and New Years Day, the annual Christmas rush of mail and express cars saw a lot of cars in places you might not have considered normal as the RRs and REA used anything and everything to keep things moving.
Jim Murrie

--- In STMFC@..., "erict1361" <erict1361@...> wrote:


Question for you SP Modelers:

How far East would you have seen SP " Overnight" Boxcars during the late 1940's? Would these cars ever have show up in Freight yards lets say in Toledo, Pittsburgh, or ever get as far as NYC ?

Thanks,

Eric Thur


Re: Identify this hopper?

wdzwonchyk
 

I understand D. K. Retterer passed away last year. I have been unable to find out what the status is of his collection of builders photos. A variety of inquireies went unanswered, but I have not tried to directly contact his family. I brought this question up when I first joined the forum and there was no response. Perhaps this will elicit some information from someone on the forum.
Wayne Dzwonchyk

--- In STMFC@..., "bob_karig" <karig@...> wrote:

I concur with the other comments regarding this hopper car. It is definitely not a USRA hopper car. It is probably, as others have pointed out, one of the early twin hopper cars purchased by the New York Central System during the second decade of the 20th century.

If I can read the date built correctly, it looks as if this car was manufactured in 1917, which would make it part of a lot made by Standard Steel Car Company that year. A builder's photo of that series is available from Keith Retterer.

These cars appeared on the Susquehanna & New York about April 1940 and served until the road ceased operations a couple of years later. They were obviously purchased second hand.

They had an inside length of 30'0", inside width of 9'7 1/2" (?), and inside height of 10' 0". The exterior dimensions were 30' 8", 10' 1 1/2", and 10' 0", with a capacity of 1660 cubic feet. (The dimensions listed by the S&NY differ slightly from those of the NYC, but I suspect its the same car.) They both had a capacity of 1660 cubic feet.

The NYC built a similar car in 1917 with a height of 10'6" and a capacity of 1800 cubic feet.

These cars differed from the 1905 common design in that they had three pressed steel endposts and lacked the platform end sill. The end sill did project slightly, but not to the extent of the common design. (There was considerable discussion during this period about the elimination of the platform end sill.)

Note that the stirrup steps and the grab irons differ from the available photos I have of the NYC cars built by AC&F. (Thanks to Al Westerfield!) Standard Steel may have altered the design when it built its lot.

I don't have drawings of this car, but Roger Hinman is the expert on NYC open top cars. He may be able to help in that regard.

Hope this helps.

Bob Karig


RI 5000-5292 box cars

Lee Gautreaux
 

Does anyone have builder and build date info for RI 5000-5292? I have the PS-built cars RI 5085-5184.

Also, does anyone have info about the CRIP to RI change? Were cars with CRIP marks simply re-stenciled with RI marks? How long did cars with CRIP marks last?

Lee A. Gautreaux - The RailGoat
http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/


Re: Some more ex-R7 reefer in FGE service modeling tips

Bill Welch
 

Staffan, the photo caption specifically mentions Hillyard, Washington. There are at least 7 reefers in the scene, including one R7 stripped to its frame. Several buildings are in the background. It looks to me like the WFE shops is repairing/refurbishing a whole group of R7s, demonstrating how the various shops of the FGE/WFE/BRE System collaborated and cooperated to maintain the fleet of all 3 companies.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., "Staffan Ehnbom" <staffan.ehnbom@...> wrote:

Do you mean the cars are at the Hillyard shops of Western Fruit Express or
do you really mean they are at the shops of the Great Northern (at the other
end of the yard)?

Staffan Ehnbom

----- Original Message -----
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To: <STMFC@...>; <STMFC@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 10:55 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Some more ex-R7 reefer in FGE service modeling tips


Brian is correct, the picture is on page 195 of the book he referenced:
"The Pacific Northwest Railroads of McGee and Nixon". The caption places
the 5 FGEX R7s at the Hillyard shops of the Great Northern on September
28, 1946. There is one WFEX car in the background.

gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
vasa0vasa@...


----- Original Message -----
From: brian
To: STMFC@...
Sent: 9/12/2012 7:23:40 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Some more ex-R7 reefer in FGE service modeling tips



Hi Bill,

Are you aware of a Warren McGee photo shot at Hillyard, Washington, on
September 28, 1946? The subject is a SP&S 4-6-6-4, but behind the loco
must be a WFEX facility. There are five of these ex-PRR reefers in view.
One of these is stripped down to just the metal framework and the roof
appears to be removed.

This photo appears in "The Pacific Northwest Railroads of McGee and Nixon"
by Richard Green, published by Northwest Short Line, but I'm sure I have
seen it elsewhere. Maybe in a SP&S book, or something about
steam/Challenger locomotives, or perhaps Locomotive Quarterly.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV




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Re: Some more ex-R7 reefer in FGE service modeling tips

Staffan Ehnbom <staffan.ehnbom@...>
 

Do you mean the cars are at the Hillyard shops of Western Fruit Express or do you really mean they are at the shops of the Great Northern (at the other end of the yard)?

Staffan Ehnbom

----- Original Message -----
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To: <STMFC@...>; <STMFC@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 10:55 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Some more ex-R7 reefer in FGE service modeling tips


Brian is correct, the picture is on page 195 of the book he referenced: "The Pacific Northwest Railroads of McGee and Nixon". The caption places the 5 FGEX R7s at the Hillyard shops of the Great Northern on September 28, 1946. There is one WFEX car in the background.

gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
vasa0vasa@...


----- Original Message -----
From: brian
To: STMFC@...
Sent: 9/12/2012 7:23:40 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Some more ex-R7 reefer in FGE service modeling tips



Hi Bill,

Are you aware of a Warren McGee photo shot at Hillyard, Washington, on September 28, 1946? The subject is a SP&S 4-6-6-4, but behind the loco must be a WFEX facility. There are five of these ex-PRR reefers in view. One of these is stripped down to just the metal framework and the roof appears to be removed.

This photo appears in "The Pacific Northwest Railroads of McGee and Nixon" by Richard Green, published by Northwest Short Line, but I'm sure I have seen it elsewhere. Maybe in a SP&S book, or something about steam/Challenger locomotives, or perhaps Locomotive Quarterly.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV







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Re: Mid-Continent Petroleum (COSDEN) Paint scheme's

Douglas Harding
 

Found this via Google, has a lot of info and company history, may have an
answer to your question.

http://www.oldgas.com/shoptalk/ubb/Forum4/HTML/001829.html



There is a real hobby related to petroleum collectibles and those folks can
be a tremendous source of information for logos, paint schemes, and such. So
don't over look them.



Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: X-3 tank car fleet

Steve and Barb Hile
 

The drawings in the CBC are not to the same scale as MM, for sure. UTLX was
pretty consistent with the 6500 and 10000 gallon tanks, over the years. The
10K gallon tanks were, in general, always 87 inches in inside diameter,
while the 6500 gallon tanks were 76 inches inside diameter. The drawings
display the difference in truck center spacing that corresponds to different
tank lengths. It is my observation that the 8000 gallon tanks were the
variables. When longer underframes were being built, the thinner and longer
tanks were used to create an 8000 gallon car. When shorter underframes were
being built, the 8000 gallon tanks were larger in diameter and shorter in
length. In total, there were fewer 8000 gallon tanks than the other sizes.



Something else to note: The car in the 1922 CBC was the earlier frame
design where the end sills arch out, reflecting the tank ends. (The
Canadian car also shown in the 22 CBC is, in general, also the X-3 design.)
The car shown in the MM plans reflects the evolved underframe design where
the end sills are straight across and the overall frame is slightly longer,
yielding the "porch" effect.



Hope this helps.



Regards,

Steve Hile



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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Dave
Nelson
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 12:52 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: X-3 tank car fleet





I took a look at the X-3 drawing published in Mainline Modeler and compared
it to the one published in the 1922 CBC. The first was labeled 10k and the
second 6.5k. Something that was immediately apparent was the tank diameter
in both drawings appears to be identical (along w/ many other features).
Given that, I'm fairly sure the MM drawing is incorrect. It's probably an
8k "skinny", not the 10k as labeled.

Dave Nelson

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Of
erict1361
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 5:29 AM

The X-3 underframe was designed in various lengths to accommodate different
tank lengths. The lengths were associated with varying liquid volumes. There
were four major sizes of UTLX-design uninsulated tank cars. The 37'5" frame
X-3s carried an 8'7" diameter 10,000 gallon or a 6'4" diameter 8,000 gallon
("skinny 8") tank. The 32'2" frame X-3 carried and 8,000 gallon tank ("squat
8") with 8'7" diameter or a 6'4" 6,500 gallon tank. The squat or short 8,000
gallon tank was a shortened large diameter 10,000 gallon tank. The 6,500
gallon tank was a shortened small diameter 8,000 gallon tank.


Re: Southern Pacific "Overnight" Express Boxcars

Tim O'Connor
 

They were used for storage mail/express, and I have seen photos of SP head end cars
in Albany NY (going to/from NY or Boston for example). But I rather doubt they would end
up in a freight yard in this time period.

Tim O'Connor

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To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 4:47:00 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Southern Pacific "Overnight" Express Boxcars


Question for you SP Modelers:

How far East would you have seen SP " Overnight" Boxcars during the late 1940's? Would these cars ever have show up in Freight yards lets say in Toledo, Pittsburgh, or ever get as far as NYC ?

Thanks,

Eric Thur


Re: Identify this hopper?

bob_karig <karig@...>
 

Good point about the standard steel drawings being in the state archives in Harrisburg. I access them often.

Roger, the photos I have are NYC&HRR 77971 and LS&MS 73558. I believe in your presentation you said that the NYCS renumbered its hopper cars in the mid teens. Do you know what numbers they would have become?

Thanks,

Bob Karig

--- In STMFC@..., ROGER HINMAN <rhinman11@...> wrote:

The drawings of this car are available from the Standard Steel collections at the IRM and Harrisburg. The NYCHS drawing collection does not have drawings of this car that I know of. I can give specific drawing numbers if anyone is interested.


Roger Hinman


Re: Some more ex-R7 reefer in FGE service modeling tips

Bill Welch
 

Thanks Gary

I have been in contact with Brian, who kindly sent me a scan. He thinks he may be able to put me in contact w/Mr. McGee. I hope to have this photo as it also shows the WFE car shops at Hillyard. Love it!

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., "vasa0vasa@..." <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:

Brian is correct, the picture is on page 195 of the book he referenced: "The Pacific Northwest Railroads of McGee and Nixon". The caption places the 5 FGEX R7s at the Hillyard shops of the Great Northern on September 28, 1946. There is one WFEX car in the background.

gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
vasa0vasa@...


----- Original Message -----
From: brian
To: STMFC@...
Sent: 9/12/2012 7:23:40 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Some more ex-R7 reefer in FGE service modeling tips



Hi Bill,

Are you aware of a Warren McGee photo shot at Hillyard, Washington, on September 28, 1946? The subject is a SP&S 4-6-6-4, but behind the loco must be a WFEX facility. There are five of these ex-PRR reefers in view. One of these is stripped down to just the metal framework and the roof appears to be removed.

This photo appears in "The Pacific Northwest Railroads of McGee and Nixon" by Richard Green, published by Northwest Short Line, but I'm sure I have seen it elsewhere. Maybe in a SP&S book, or something about steam/Challenger locomotives, or perhaps Locomotive Quarterly.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV




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Re: Southern Pacific "Overnight" Express Boxcars

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I have seen a photo of one in Columbus Ohio circa 1946


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Question for you SP Modelers:

How far East would you have seen SP " Overnight" Boxcars during the late 1940's? Would these cars ever have show up in Freight yards lets say in Toledo, Pittsburgh, or ever get as far as NYC ?

Thanks,

Eric Thur



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Re: Identify this hopper?

ROGER HINMAN
 

The drawings of this car are available from the Standard Steel collections at the IRM and Harrisburg. The NYCHS drawing collection does not have drawings of this car that I know of. I can give specific drawing numbers if anyone is interested.


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On Sep 13, 2012, at 4:58 PM, "bob_karig" <karig@...> wrote:

I concur with the other comments regarding this hopper car. It is definitely not a USRA hopper car. It is probably, as others have pointed out, one of the early twin hopper cars purchased by the New York Central System during the second decade of the 20th century.

If I can read the date built correctly, it looks as if this car was manufactured in 1917, which would make it part of a lot made by Standard Steel Car Company that year. A builder's photo of that series is available from Keith Retterer.

These cars appeared on the Susquehanna & New York about April 1940 and served until the road ceased operations a couple of years later. They were obviously purchased second hand.

They had an inside length of 30'0", inside width of 9'7 1/2" (?), and inside height of 10' 0". The exterior dimensions were 30' 8", 10' 1 1/2", and 10' 0", with a capacity of 1660 cubic feet. (The dimensions listed by the S&NY differ slightly from those of the NYC, but I suspect its the same car.) They both had a capacity of 1660 cubic feet.

The NYC built a similar car in 1917 with a height of 10'6" and a capacity of 1800 cubic feet.

These cars differed from the 1905 common design in that they had three pressed steel endposts and lacked the platform end sill. The end sill did project slightly, but not to the extent of the common design. (There was considerable discussion during this period about the elimination of the platform end sill.)

Note that the stirrup steps and the grab irons differ from the available photos I have of the NYC cars built by AC&F. (Thanks to Al Westerfield!) Standard Steel may have altered the design when it built its lot.

I don't have drawings of this car, but Roger Hinman is the expert on NYC open top cars. He may be able to help in that regard.

Hope this helps.

Bob Karig


Re: Identify this hopper?

bob_karig <karig@...>
 

I concur with the other comments regarding this hopper car. It is definitely not a USRA hopper car. It is probably, as others have pointed out, one of the early twin hopper cars purchased by the New York Central System during the second decade of the 20th century.

If I can read the date built correctly, it looks as if this car was manufactured in 1917, which would make it part of a lot made by Standard Steel Car Company that year. A builder's photo of that series is available from Keith Retterer.

These cars appeared on the Susquehanna & New York about April 1940 and served until the road ceased operations a couple of years later. They were obviously purchased second hand.

They had an inside length of 30'0", inside width of 9'7 1/2" (?), and inside height of 10' 0". The exterior dimensions were 30' 8", 10' 1 1/2", and 10' 0", with a capacity of 1660 cubic feet. (The dimensions listed by the S&NY differ slightly from those of the NYC, but I suspect its the same car.) They both had a capacity of 1660 cubic feet.

The NYC built a similar car in 1917 with a height of 10'6" and a capacity of 1800 cubic feet.

These cars differed from the 1905 common design in that they had three pressed steel endposts and lacked the platform end sill. The end sill did project slightly, but not to the extent of the common design. (There was considerable discussion during this period about the elimination of the platform end sill.)

Note that the stirrup steps and the grab irons differ from the available photos I have of the NYC cars built by AC&F. (Thanks to Al Westerfield!) Standard Steel may have altered the design when it built its lot.

I don't have drawings of this car, but Roger Hinman is the expert on NYC open top cars. He may be able to help in that regard.

Hope this helps.

Bob Karig


Re: Some more ex-R7 reefer in FGE service modeling tips

gary laakso
 

Brian is correct, the picture is on page 195 of the book he referenced: "The Pacific Northwest Railroads of McGee and Nixon". The caption places the 5 FGEX R7s at the Hillyard shops of the Great Northern on September 28, 1946. There is one WFEX car in the background.

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Subject: [STMFC] Re: Some more ex-R7 reefer in FGE service modeling tips



Hi Bill,

Are you aware of a Warren McGee photo shot at Hillyard, Washington, on September 28, 1946? The subject is a SP&S 4-6-6-4, but behind the loco must be a WFEX facility. There are five of these ex-PRR reefers in view. One of these is stripped down to just the metal framework and the roof appears to be removed.

This photo appears in "The Pacific Northwest Railroads of McGee and Nixon" by Richard Green, published by Northwest Short Line, but I'm sure I have seen it elsewhere. Maybe in a SP&S book, or something about steam/Challenger locomotives, or perhaps Locomotive Quarterly.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV