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Re: Truck I.D.

albyrno
 

This link is to site for N-scale but they have a lot of trucks to help with I.D
It looks to be a barrett whitehead trucks on caboose
www.visi.com/~spookshow/trucks/trucks.php
Alan

--- In STMFC@..., "wm7495" <rmcox63@...> wrote:

I'm not the best at I.D.ing trucks but I want to replace the archbars on a couple of newly acquired Walthers C&O cabooses. Looking at pics on Fallen Flags and in several books this pic seems to show a common replacement:

http://gelwood.railfan.net/co/co90725ags.jpg

What truck is this and who makes it in HO? Thanks, Roger Cox


Extra Naperville Handouts Available for $5 plus SASE

Bill Welch
 

I have 14 handouts left from my presentation at the recent Naperville
Prototype Modelers event entitled "North from Florida" which really
is about the movement of perishables from the Southern states
northerly to the cities along the Atlantic Coast and to the midwest
and the western gateways as well as to Montreal and Toronto. The
handout is 50-plus pages and includes information on the RR's that
contracted with the FGE/WFE/BRE System; their Icing Facilities; an
interview with a retired grower/shipper, 3 articles by John Golden
about perishable movements on the SAL, maps; relevant excerpts from
the Protective Tariff; and the Perishable Schedules of several
railroads including the ACL, L&N, SAL and Southern. These schedules
make it easy to see how perishables were routed over a combination of
several railroads.

If you would like one, here is the drill. Send me $5 (checks are OK)
AND a Self Addressed Stamped 8" x 12" Envelope with at least $1.90
postage affixed to the envelope. The postage MUST BE in stamps, NOT
metered.

NO EXCEPTIONS. Failure to follow these instructions regarding the
envelope and postage will result in your $5 going down a dark hole
never to be seen again, except by me, and you not receiving the handout.

I will be glad to entertain off-shore requests but you will need to
calculate the postage to your destination. I do not know the exact
weight, only that it is less than 13 oz. so you might want to put
enough postage to cover 13 oz. Payment should be with an
International Money Order. You should also check with your Postal
System about affixing postage that the US System will accept.

Please email me OFFLINE and I will keep a list in order of the
receipt of your messages and if I run out will make a reserve list. I
will also post a message to this list if I run out.

Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
fgexbill@...


Re: More freight car help please

Tim O'Connor
 

I didn't realize you were talking about 10'6" cars.

Yeah, the only 12 panel riveted 10'6" cars are from C&BT. Or you could use the old Front Range
car bodies (quite nice IMO) and add Archer rivets.

Tim O'

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian carlson" <prrk41361@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 11:27:26 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: More freight car help please

Aren't the IM cars 10 ft IH. I think I have some old C&BT kits squirreled away. But I need to check the ends.
Brian Carlson


Re: More freight car help please

Brian Carlson
 

Aren't the IM cars 10 ft IH. I think I have some old C&BT kits squirreled away. But I need to check the ends.
Brian Carlson

On Oct 26, 2012, at 10:49 AM, timboconnor@... wrote:


Didn't Sunshine do the 12 panel DL&W cars? Should be an easy kitbash from Intermountain.

Tim O'

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Carlson" <prrk41361@...>

Charles is essentially correct on the DL&W cars many of these were assigned
to flour service out of Buffalo. These cars represented almost 25% of the
DL&W fleet in 1957. Below is some additional information that I think I got
from Ed Hawkins at one time. There is no state of the are model for these.
I'd hoped Branchline would do the 12 panel car as a follow-up to their post
war 10 panel cars but they never did.




Re: CP "minibox"

John Riddell
 

More precisely, the CP cars had wood running boards. However TrueLine Trains is also offering the models decorated for the PGE and BCOL.. Many CP cars acquired second-hand by the PGE and BCOL were fitted with metal running boards. So the ad photo presumably shows an undecorated PGE or BCOL model with a metal running board.

John Riddell


Re: More freight car help please

Tim O'Connor
 

Didn't Sunshine do the 12 panel DL&W cars? Should be an easy kitbash from Intermountain.

Tim O'

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Carlson" <prrk41361@...>

Charles is essentially correct on the DL&W cars many of these were assigned
to flour service out of Buffalo. These cars represented almost 25% of the
DL&W fleet in 1957. Below is some additional information that I think I got
from Ed Hawkins at one time. There is no state of the are model for these.
I'd hoped Branchline would do the 12 panel car as a follow-up to their post
war 10 panel cars but they never did.


Re: CP "minibox"

John Riddell
 

The cars had wood running boards through out their lives. The photo in the True Line Trains ad appears to be of a built-up F & C resin kit #6440. Also the intermediate roof ribs should be less pronounced.

John Riddell


Re: Truck I.D.

roger cox
 

Looks pretty darn close to me. Thanks, Roger Cox

--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:

On Oct 25, 2012, at 7:18 PM, wm7495 wrote:

I'm not the best at I.D.ing trucks but I want to replace the
archbars on a couple of newly acquired Walthers C&O cabooses.
Looking at pics on Fallen Flags and in several books this pic seems
to show a common replacement:

http://gelwood.railfan.net/co/co90725ags.jpg

What truck is this and who makes it in HO? Thanks, Roger Cox
Roger, that's an ARA cast steel truck with spring plank and
elliptical leaf springs. Tichy makes a reasonable facsimile in HO
scale, their stock number 3051.

Richard Hendrickson





CP "minibox"

Larry Kline
 

I have an early 1950s Bill Price photo of a minibox on the WM. It has a wood running board.

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA

Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:02 pm (PDT) . Posted by:"dssa1051" dssa1051The ads for Trueline trains CP "minibox" show an etched metal roofwalk but wouldn't those cars have had a wooden roofwalk during most of their life?

Robert Oom


Re: Truck I.D.

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Oct 25, 2012, at 7:18 PM, wm7495 wrote:

I'm not the best at I.D.ing trucks but I want to replace the
archbars on a couple of newly acquired Walthers C&O cabooses.
Looking at pics on Fallen Flags and in several books this pic seems
to show a common replacement:

http://gelwood.railfan.net/co/co90725ags.jpg

What truck is this and who makes it in HO? Thanks, Roger Cox
Roger, that's an ARA cast steel truck with spring plank and
elliptical leaf springs. Tichy makes a reasonable facsimile in HO
scale, their stock number 3051.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: More freight car help please

Brian Carlson
 

Charles is essentially correct on the DL&W cars many of these were assigned
to flour service out of Buffalo. These cars represented almost 25% of the
DL&W fleet in 1957. Below is some additional information that I think I got
from Ed Hawkins at one time. There is no state of the are model for these.
I'd hoped Branchline would do the 12 panel car as a follow-up to their post
war 10 panel cars but they never did.




DL&W series 54000-54499 blt 1955 ?


12p riveted R+3/4E DP roof 8' 6p SUP doors


Classic Freight Cars V.8 p.66 (back cover) partial


DL&W #54396 w/ black ends and galvanized roof




DL&W series 54500-54999 blt 1955 ?


12p riveted R+3/4E DP roof 8' IY doors


Trains 4/1990 pp.46-47 1962 color photo #54577


scan DL&W #54544 w/ galvanized running board




DL&W series 55000-55499 blt 1957 ?


12p riveted R+3/4E DP roof 8' 6p SUP doors


scan Soph Marty 1963 photo DL&W #55197

55203 Bob's photos




DL&W series 55500-55899 blt 7/1956 ACF


12p welded R+3/4E 8' IY door DP roof


Rail Model Journal 8/1992 pp.24-29 photo #55699;


modeling article



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga, NY



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Charles Hostetler
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 2:23 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: More freight car help please





--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> ,
<cepropst@...> wrote:
Any description help for the following cars is much appreciated.

ROADNAME NUMBER SERIES
DL&W 54842 54000-55899
MKT 96309 95000-96499 B
Clark, I'll have a try at these.

I think the DL&W 5400-55899 were 40' 12-panel riveted AAR boxcars built in
1955 through 1957. From the Jan 1958 ORER:

54000-55899: XM, Box, All Steel, W-Section; IL 40'6", IH 10'5", 8' doors;
3891 cu ft.; 1844 total cars

There are a large number of photos of these that have floated through eBay
and other sources over the last several years including some nice color and
overhead shots. I'll send you a selection off-list. A quick scan of these
suggests at least two door types were used (Superior and Improved
Youngstown).


Re: Truck I.D.

al_brown03
 

*illustrated

--- In STMFC@..., "al_brown03" <abrown@...> wrote:

That looks, to my less-than-expert eye, a lot like Tichy's #3051 caboose truck. Mr Cox may wish to consult Richard Hendrickson's llustrated discussion of HO freight-car trucks: please see group message #112018.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


--- In STMFC@..., "wm7495" <rmcox63@> wrote:

I'm not the best at I.D.ing trucks but I want to replace the archbars on a couple of newly acquired Walthers C&O cabooses. Looking at pics on Fallen Flags and in several books this pic seems to show a common replacement:

http://gelwood.railfan.net/co/co90725ags.jpg

What truck is this and who makes it in HO? Thanks, Roger Cox


Re: Truck I.D.

al_brown03
 

That looks, to my less-than-expert eye, a lot like Tichy's #3051 caboose truck. Mr Cox may wish to consult Richard Hendrickson's llustrated discussion of HO freight-car trucks: please see group message #112018.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@..., "wm7495" <rmcox63@...> wrote:

I'm not the best at I.D.ing trucks but I want to replace the archbars on a couple of newly acquired Walthers C&O cabooses. Looking at pics on Fallen Flags and in several books this pic seems to show a common replacement:

http://gelwood.railfan.net/co/co90725ags.jpg

What truck is this and who makes it in HO? Thanks, Roger Cox


Truck I.D.

roger cox
 

I'm not the best at I.D.ing trucks but I want to replace the archbars on a couple of newly acquired Walthers C&O cabooses. Looking at pics on Fallen Flags and in several books this pic seems to show a common replacement:

http://gelwood.railfan.net/co/co90725ags.jpg

What truck is this and who makes it in HO? Thanks, Roger Cox


Re: red caboose 1937 aar sq corner

william darnaby
 

Ok....I went and found my NKP Society magazines covering these cars. The
Spring 1990 issue did the 15000 cars and the Winter 1991 did the 18000 cars.
First, there were no rebuilds of the 15000 cars...they went to N&W paint
and/or scrap pretty much as built. These were the square corner 1937 cars
built in 1936.

Second, the NKP acquired additional cars of the same design in 1941, 1942
and 1944, in the series 16000-17699, that were identical except for W corner
ends. These were rebuilt in 1963 (out of our period of interest) with the
gusseting, new roofs (the somewhat grainy photos indicate unpainted improved
roofs) and new 6' doors and renumbered into the 18000 series. There were,
of course, exceptions as some 119 of the 16000 cars were not rebuilt and
were gone by 1966. In addition, the last 300 cars of the 17000 series were
not rebuilt. Finally, the N&W itself rebuilt 300 cars into series
221000-219299.

The bottom line for the period of our list is that the cars were unmodified.

Bill Darnaby

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
ealabhan0
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 7:05 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: red caboose 1937 aar sq corner

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor wrote: From such a late photo,
there is no certainty about WHO or WHEN it was rebuilt -- this work could
easily have been performed by the N&W for example. Do you have any photos of
any of the 15000 series cars rebuilt during the NKP era? I'm not saying it
can't be a NKP rebuild with a replacement roof for the original Viking roof,
but I have no information about that.

Tim, I really wish I did have a 15000-series rebuild photo clearly dating
from the NKP era, prior to the N&W takeover. All that I've found have been
of NKP 15797 in the Hoosier Valley Railroad Museum: Alan Gaines' Fallen
Flags photo in badly rusted NKP P&L, and the Museum's 2010 NKP repaint
thereof. (The Museum's other car from this series, NKP 15979, is said to be
in the N&W hamburger scheme, but I haven't seen a photo.) That's why I'm
hoping that Ray Breyer or another NKP expert from the Midwest will chime in
on the 15000-series rebuilds. Heck, at least he's been to the Hoosier
Valley RR Museum - I only just found out about it today when I googled
"railroad museum, North Judson IN"! Any knowledgeable Hoosiers out there
with more detail on the NKP 15000-series rebuilds, i.e., rebuilder and date,
roof, etc?
Many thanks, Dave Sieber, Reno NV


Re: red caboose 1937 aar sq corner

David Sieber
 

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor wrote: From such a late photo, there is no certainty about WHO or WHEN it was rebuilt -- this work could easily have been performed by the N&W for example. Do you have any photos of any of the 15000 series cars rebuilt during the NKP era? I'm not saying it can't be a NKP rebuild with a replacement roof for the original Viking roof, but I have no information about that.

Tim, I really wish I did have a 15000-series rebuild photo clearly dating from the NKP era, prior to the N&W takeover. All that I've found have been of NKP 15797 in the Hoosier Valley Railroad Museum: Alan Gaines' Fallen Flags photo in badly rusted NKP P&L, and the Museum's 2010 NKP repaint thereof. (The Museum's other car from this series, NKP 15979, is said to be in the N&W hamburger scheme, but I haven't seen a photo.) That's why I'm hoping that Ray Breyer or another NKP expert from the Midwest will chime in on the 15000-series rebuilds. Heck, at least he's been to the Hoosier Valley RR Museum - I only just found out about it today when I googled "railroad museum, North Judson IN"! Any knowledgeable Hoosiers out there with more detail on the NKP 15000-series rebuilds, i.e., rebuilder and date, roof, etc?
Many thanks, Dave Sieber, Reno NV


Re: More freight car help please

Scott H. Haycock
 

Ted's article appeared in RMC, July 2007


Scott Haycock

The Katy cars were single sheathed box cars built in 1925 with 7/8
corrugated steel ends, wood doors, Hutchins roofs, vertical staff
hand brakes, and ARA cast steel trucks with spring planks. Ted
Culotta produced an excellent resin kit for them, with instructions
that call out several minor variations among cars of different
numbers within the series. I have a number of photos showing them in
both mineral red and Katy yellow paint which I'll scan and send to
you off-list if you'd like.
Richard Hendrickson


Re: More freight car help please

Clark Propst
 

I remember Ted's kit. Flat chance of finding one. I bet Ted wrote the kit up as an `essentials' article in Craftsman. I'm going to "Trainfest" in Milwaukee in a couple weeks I'll look for the Accurail kit there. With the help of Ted's article and your photos, Richard, I may be able to make a credible model?
Clark Propst


Re: More freight car help please

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Oct 25, 2012, at 10:44 AM, <cepropst@q.com> wrote:
I seem to do about everything backwards. Ive searched my lists and
found a couple loads Id like to use on my layout. But, I cant
find anything out about the cars hauling them.

Any description help for the following cars is much appreciated.

ROADNAME NUMBER SERIES
DL&W 54842 54000-55899
MKT 96309 95000-96499 B
Clark. the Lackawanna cars were apparently standard AAR 40' steel box
cars with 8' doors, but I have no photos as they were built new in
the mid-'50s.

The Katy cars were single sheathed box cars built in 1925 with 7/8
corrugated steel ends, wood doors, Hutchins roofs, vertical staff
hand brakes, and ARA cast steel trucks with spring planks. Ted
Culotta produced an excellent resin kit for them, with instructions
that call out several minor variations among cars of different
numbers within the series. I have a number of photos showing them in
both mineral red and Katy yellow paint which I'll scan and send to
you off-list if you'd like.

Richard Hendrickson



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Re: More freight car help please

Clark Propst
 

I just had that book out when doing a SOO RC 40'DD! Thanks for reminding me Charles.
The DL&W car is too new for me. Looks like the Accurail MKT car is pretty close.
Thanks again
Clark Propst