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new Canadian 8-hatch reefer

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

I've seen the announcement from Tru-Line Trains of their new CP and PGE 8-hatch steel reefers. I know that both CP and CN had 8-hatch reefers well back into the steam era, but can anyone be specific about these new models? Since I model 1953, I assume the CP Script version and the PGE versions COULD be correct for that time scale. Any help appreciated.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Spring Mills Depot Signature Car #2 The B&O I-12 Wagontop Caboose

Scott Pitzer
 

On Jun 17, 2012, at 6:16 PM, "Ken" <ken@...> wrote:

Your wait is finally over and your TWO questions are finally going to be answered.

First, "What is Spring Mills Depot's second signature car going to be? Their first car, the B&O Canstock car had details that were just off the hook
Guys who would want a B&O wagon-top caboose, think "off the hook" has something to do with telephones.
(and, by the way, they can tell at a glance that messages which begin "this is crazy you should check it out" are not likely to be of interest...)
Scott Pitzer


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Spring Mills Depot Signature Car #2 The B&O I-12 Wagontop Caboose

Ken Braden
 

Your wait is finally over and your TWO questions are finally going to be answered.

First, "What is Spring Mills Depot's second signature car going to be? Their first car, the B&O Canstock car had details that were just off the hook, I can't wait until they do their second car".

And second, "When will someone finally produce an RTR I-12 Wagontop Caboose?"

Well, your wait is over. Spring Mills Depot proudly announces their second signature car, the B&O I-12 Wagontop Caboose in RTR plastic. We will be offering this car with details specific to the era and paint scheme and we will be offering four different paint schemes. The price for our cars will be $59.95.

Lastly, IF you order before August 15, you will get a 10% discount on your order. Visit www.springmillsdepot.com and checkout our flyer for this fabulous car. The flyer has the car numbers, paint schemes and some of the details as well as explains the discount. So, order early to make sure you get the cabooses that you have so long been waiting for. Expected delivery is November/December 2012.

Ken Braden
Spring Mills Depot
www.smd.cc


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Joel Holmes <lehighvalley@...>
 

Hi John,

Your e-mail has been hacked.

Joel Holmes


wow this is crazy you should give it a look
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Re: GN combo door car #13188

rdgbuff56
 

I have come across various posts about flat car sides.  Are they just sides to be added to a current underframe?  Or does modeler have to scratchbuild underframe?
 
Also, on the boxcars, are they after-market parts to modify current kits?
 
Thanks,
Francis A. Pehowic, Jr.
Sunbury, Pa.


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From: "cepropst@q.com" <cepropst@q.com>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 10:21 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: GN combo door car #13188



 

Very nice model Chad. Like the flat cars too. Well Done!

Clark Propst




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MP45' 8000 series

Chad Boas
 

All,
I have added a side shot of the MP 45' flat to the flat car photo file.
Chad Boas


Re: Evergreen--hat section? And more?

proto48er
 

Sorry - hit the send button too soon!

Here are the rest of the cabooses:

MP #997 bay window-cupola caboose. 3-1/4" V-groove siding on sides and ends. (off line in 1960's).

GH&SA #66 cupola caboose (CA?) 3-1/4" V-groove siding, with some 3" and 3-1/8" V-groove siding under the windows. (off line in late 1920's - demolished in mid-1970's).

SA&AP #915 cupola caboose 3-1/4" siding with 1/4" V-grooves. (off line in 1950's).

T&NO #320 (ex ML&T) cupola caboose with wide cupola (late 1940's rebuild) 3-3/16" V-groove siding with 1/2" wide groove.

M-K-T #835 cupola caboose 3-1/4" V-groove siding. (off line about 1960).

M-K-T #342 single-sheathed caboose/combine with Z-braces. 5-1/4" horizontal siding, no V-groove.


That is all the information at hand right now. Surely more than you wanted to know!!

Dennis - I am very impressed that you have a toolmaker's measuring microscope! I have a pair of them and love to play with them. Mine are a Titan Tool TM-IV and a Titan TM-10. The original reason for aquiring them has long passed, but it is fun to look at and measure train stuff with them!

A.T. Kott

--- In STMFC@..., "proto48er" <atkott@...> wrote:

Here are some CABOOSES:

MP #854 3-1/4" siding with 1/4" V-grooves (some boards are 3-3/8" wide). (original siding before restoration - in Kyle, Tx.)

MP #997 Bay window + cupola caboose.



A.T. Kott


Re: Evergreen--hat section? And more?

proto48er
 

Guys -

Forgot one "mystery car" - TexMex #8943 (may have been an L&N car - says "L&N 5/24" on the trucks). 5" horizontal siding, no V-groove.


Here are some DOUBLE SHEATHED boxcars and a reefer:

SFRD #5124 Rr-37 (1945 rebuild) 3-1/8" siding with 3/16" grooves. (from early 1950's).

D&H #19607 3-1/4" V-groove vertical siding (before rebuilding).

GN #45278 3-1/8" V-groove siding on one complete side; 3-1/4" V-groove on the other. (off line in 1950's)

NKP #85000 class (not sure of number) 3" siding with 1/4" wide V-groove. (in Noblesville, Ind.)

GH&SA #33997 B-50-4 Harriman boxcar. 3-1/4" V-groove siding on sides and ends, with 3-1/4" V-groove boards in doors. (off line in late 1930's)

M-K-T #170144 3-1/4" siding with 1/4" wide and 1/8" deep V-grooves. (off line in late 1940's).

M-K-T #81631 3-1/4" V-groove siding. (off line in early 1930's).

M-K-T #84128 truss rod automobile boxcar 3-1/4" siding (off line in mid-1930's)

SA&AP #7001-7500 class ventilated car (still yellow) 3-1/8" V-groove siding in car ends; 3-1/4" V-groove siding with 1/2" V on the sides.

SA&AP #7877 ventilated boxcar (still yellow) 3-1/4" siding on sides and doors. (off line in late 1920's - at Lozier Canyon).

GH&SA #? boxcar with 3-1/8" siding on sides and doors. (was in Sanderson, Tx - demolished in mid 1970's) (off line in late 1920's)



Here are some CABOOSES:

MP #854 3-1/4" siding with 1/4" V-grooves (some boards are 3-3/8" wide). (original siding before restoration - in Kyle, Tx.)

MP #997 Bay window + cupola caboose.



A.T. Kott


Re: Evergreen--hat section? And more?

proto48er
 

Guys -

Here are some actual measurements of siding on single-sheathed freight cars (boxcars):

ATSF Bx-12 #128604 (1)4-3/4" at the bottom of the car side, then (7)3-1/8", (6)3", (3)3-1/4", and (1)5" at the top of the car side. No V-groove. The hat-shaped braces had various dimensions, but were generally 8" wide and were made from 1/4" thick plate and the 2-3/4" hat section stood out 2-3/4". (probably dates to late 1940's)

C&S #13851 Z-braced boxcar (2)2-3/8" boards, with the remainder being 3" and 3-1/8" boards with no V-groove. (probably dates to about 1952)

GN #31000 class boxcar with Z-braces. 5" plain siding.

NKP #8099 war emergency boxcar with Z-braces. 5" plain siding. At Noblesville, Ind.)

I-GN #6342 single-sheathed boxcar with Z-braces. 5" horizontal siding, no V-groove. (dates to late 1940's)

MP #93000 single-sheathed boxcar with Z-braces. (18) 5" horizontal siding boards, no V-groove. (from plan)

M-K-T #79013 (22)5" boards and (1)4-1/2" board. No V-grooves. (dates from late 1940's)

M-K-T #77635 5" horizontal siding with no V-grooves; 3-1/4" vertical boards in doors (with V-grooves). (dates from late 1950's)

M-K-T #95680 5" and 4-7/8" horizontal boards with no V-grooves; 3" vertical boards in doors with V-grooves. (dates from late 1950's)

This is probably more than you wanted to know about single sheathed boxcar siding!

A.T. Kott


Re: GN combo door car #13188

Clark Propst
 

Very nice model Chad. Like the flat cars too. Well Done!

Clark Propst


Re: Southern and CB&Q flats

jerryglow2
 

I still need photos data or whatever you can add so I can do the decals for the Q flatcar. I have sets for as built and post 60s Southern.
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/samples/Sou_flat.jpg

Jerry Glow
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals

--- In STMFC@..., "Chad" <chadboas@...> wrote:

All,
I have added photos of the Southern and CB&Q flats to the flat car photo file. I should be casting by next weekend. The FM14 will have a bottom piece to ACC to the center sill. The Southern has seporate end pieces that when installed are even with the top of the deck.
Please send all sales questions direct to me and off this list.
Thanks, Chad Boas


Re: Attaching Kadee running boards to plastic roofs

billsoman
 

I thin the new formula with MEK exactly as I did with the old formula (2:1 MEK/Barge) and it works just fine. I use Barge for attaching rail to CV tie strips, and have seen zero difference in performance or ease of application. There are some tricks to successful usage for rails/ties but that would be off-topic here, email if interested.

I also talked to a guy in a large shoe repair shop last year; with 4 cobblers at work the place stunk to high heaven with Barge, which is the industry standard for them. He said they'd seen "no difference" and haven't bothered re-ordering the old tuolene formulation (which is still available in cans to commercial customers)

--- Bill Sornsin, Seattle

--- In STMFC@..., jerryglow@... wrote:

I can tell you for one that it doesn't thin with MEK like the old stuff. I don't use the new formula as it's too darn thick and stringy.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@> wrote:


On Jun 14, 2012, at 5:44 PM, Armand Premo wrote:

Mike,Following Denny's lead,I use Barge Cement.It works for me.Awake?barely.It is in the seventies with a nice breeze off the lake.Hardly weather for building models.Regards,A
Armand & others,
After not buying Barge cement for a number of years, I recently ran out of my supply only to learn that the adhesive is now available only in a toluene-free formula. The package color changed from yellow & red to blue. I've read a number of on-line reviews about the new formula claiming the toluene-free formula doesn't work nearly as well.

For years I have used the old formula to attach steel nuts inside of box cars & reefers for weights. For obvious reasons I wouldn't want these pieces becoming unglued inside an assembled plastic or urethane box car or reefer.

I would like to hear comments from people who have used the new formula and if you have found it acceptable.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: ATSF 213612 raised roof box car...

Jack Burgess <jack@...>
 

Unfortunately, Pacific Locomotive Association hasn't devoted the needed
attention or money to restoring very many freight cars...locomotives and
passenger cars get higher priority. But the discussion about this car
apparently generated interest in this car and there is a lot of interest in
being able to replicate historic freight trains for special occasions. Maybe
the fact that this is a unique car will get some interest/money allocated to
the project to restore it. But we certainly learned of the depth of
expertise in the STMFC group toward providing the needed information for
such projects...

Jack

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<> Members of the Pacific Locomotive Association voted yesterday evening
<> to retain ATSF 213612, in part due to the information members of this
<> group provided. One of the backers of keeping the car reported to me:
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<> " Thanks in no small part to your tremendous efforts in nearly-
<> instantaneous freight car historical research, only 14 of 40 voting
<> members present at the meeting voted for the deaccession of ATSF
<> 213612. (A 2/3 majority was required for the deaccession to pass.) I
<> had given the meeting a short "chalk talk" and 1-page handout on the
<> car, emphasizing that it was much rarer than the Collections Committee
<> first thought, and emphasizing its age and historical importance."
<>
<Jack, that's good news. I'm glad I was able to contribute some useful
<information. I'd love to see that car restored, and I'll be happy to
<help out with photos and documentation should such an effort get
<underway.
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Re: ATSF 213612 raised roof box car...

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jun 16, 2012, at 7:43 AM, Jack Burgess wrote:

Members of the Pacific Locomotive Association voted yesterday evening to
retain ATSF 213612, in part due to the information members of this group
provided. One of the backers of keeping the car reported to me:

" Thanks in no small part to your tremendous efforts in nearly- instantaneous
freight car historical research, only 14 of 40 voting members present at the
meeting voted for the deaccession of ATSF 213612. (A 2/3 majority was
required for the deaccession to pass.) I had given the meeting a short
"chalk talk" and 1-page handout on the car, emphasizing that it was much
rarer than the Collections Committee first thought, and emphasizing its age
and historical importance."
Jack, that's good news. I'm glad I was able to contribute some useful information. I'd love to see that car restored, and I'll be happy to help out with photos and documentation should such an effort get underway.

Richard


GN combo door car #13188

Chad Boas
 

All,
I have added a photo of the GN box car to the combo door photo file. This was built using my cast sides, Branchline/Atlas roof, ends, and detail parts and an Accurail floor. I painted it with Floquil ATSF red. I used Jerry Glows decals. It still need some work and has the wrong trucks.
Chad Boas


Southern and CB&Q flats

Chad Boas
 

All,
I have added photos of the Southern and CB&Q flats to the flat car photo file. I should be casting by next weekend. The FM14 will have a bottom piece to ACC to the center sill. The Southern has seporate end pieces that when installed are even with the top of the deck.
Please send all sales questions direct to me and off this list.
Thanks, Chad Boas


Re: Evergreen--hat section? And more?

arved_grass
 

Saw one groove, flip it, saw the other. What's so stunning?

Arved Grass
Fleming Island, Florida

--- In STMFC@..., timboconnor@... wrote:


I knew the strips were sawn because you can see the saw blade marks as Dennis pointed out.

But I am stunned that they make the I beams that way!


Re: ATSF 213612 raised roof box car...

maynard stowe
 

Brian--Yes thats the one.  I have a poor photo that I took late in the day with the sun too directly behind it a couple of years ago on the way to the SPHTS convention.Maynard

--- On Fri, 6/15/12, Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...> wrote:

From: Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] ATSF 213612 raised roof box car...
To: "STMFC List" <STMFC@...>
Date: Friday, June 15, 2012, 10:10 PM
















 









The Amarillo car: Is it the one south of NE 3rd Avenue, between N Cleveland

and N Arthur?



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Thanks!



Brian Paul Ehni



From: maynard stowe <ctsper1947@...>

Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>

Date: Friday, June 15, 2012 8:52 PM

To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>

Subject: RE: [STMFC] ATSF 213612 raised roof box car...



Jack,There are at least 2 others of this class not in museums that I know

of. One is near China Lake, CA on the ground looked to be in reasonably good

shape as far as the body is concerned, and the other is in a lot in

Amarillo, TX in poor shape also sitting on the ground to the north of the

BNSF yards there. (It shows up quite clearly on Google map's satallite

views.)

Maynard Stowe



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Re: Evergreen--hat section? And more?

Gene Deimling
 

Evergreen appears to extrude their shapes. I have noticed die marks on a number of shapes. I believe Plastrut uses a similar process on their white polystyrene line of shapes.



Gene Deimling

--- In STMFC@..., timboconnor@... wrote:


I knew the strips were sawn because you can see the saw blade marks as Dennis pointed out.

But I am stunned that they make the I beams that way!

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From: "spsalso" <Edwardsutorik@...>

I have recently spoken to an Evergreen rep (hence my topic). Everything they MAKE is sawn/milled. The sheet, of course, is not. The rods and tubes are certainly not. The half and quarter rounds are a tough call.

Edward Sutorik



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Re: ATSF 213612 raised roof box car...

Jack Burgess <jack@...>
 

Members of the Pacific Locomotive Association voted yesterday evening to
retain ATSF 213612, in part due to the information members of this group
provided. One of the backers of keeping the car reported to me:

" Thanks in no small part to your tremendous efforts in nearly-instantaneous
freight car historical research, only 14 of 40 voting members present at the
meeting voted for the deaccession of ATSF 213612. (A 2/3 majority was
required for the deaccession to pass.) I had given the meeting a short
"chalk talk" and 1-page handout on the car, emphasizing that it was much
rarer than the Collections Committee first thought, and emphasizing its age
and historical importance."

Thanks to all who contributed information about these cars.

Jack Burgess