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Cocoa Beach

 

Because of a change in circumstance, I am going to be able to attend the Cocoa Beach meet after all. Does any one attending need someone to share a room.Please contact me off list if interested.
Dan Smith


Re: Transportation Options Orlando to Coco Beach

Tim O'Connor
 

Wow, that's amazingly inexpensive! Last time I took a taxi
from O'Hare to Naperville (maybe 1/4 the distance from Orlando
to Cocoa Beach) I think it was $25. Thanks for the link.

Tim O'Connor

At 1/2/2012 01:13 PM Monday, you wrote:
Ron.... try Royal Shuttle.... www.royalcocoashuttle.com

Tom Warne

p.s. Enjoy the show!



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From: dphobbies <dphobbies@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Mon, January 2, 2012 10:02:08 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Transportation Options Orlando to Coco Beach


Does anyone know of any non-rental car options to get to Prototype Rails from
the Orlando airport to Coco Beach. My partner and I are coming in Wed eve at
7:40 on SWA and are looking for options. Anyone else in the same boat, I am
happy to share a limo or cab.

Ron Sebastian
Des Plaines


Re: Transportation Options Orlando to Coco Beach

Thomas Warne <warne@...>
 

Ron.... try Royal Shuttle.... www.royalcocoashuttle.com

Tom Warne

p.s. Enjoy the show!



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From: dphobbies <dphobbies@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Mon, January 2, 2012 10:02:08 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Transportation Options Orlando to Coco Beach


Does anyone know of any non-rental car options to get to Prototype Rails from
the Orlando airport to Coco Beach. My partner and I are coming in Wed eve at
7:40 on SWA and are looking for options. Anyone else in the same boat, I am
happy to share a limo or cab.

Ron Sebastian
Des Plaines


Re: Milling in Transit was Stock car reloading

dmamfahr <mamfahr@...>
 

Grain milling in transit did NOT require reshipment in the same car. It did require the new waybill to reference to original way bill(s) for the continuing load. Several inbound waybills could be used for the outbound load. They were looking a quantity at that point.

Hello all,

This was very much the case for transit shipments - inbound shipments DID NOT leave transit points in the same cars that they'd arrived in, in the vast majority of cases. For many products, especially grain, the idea that you could load the inbound product into the same car leaving the transit (intermediate) point was not only impractical, it bordered on impossible. Inbound grain was put into silos or storage sheds and mixed with everyone else's grain. Outbound transit shipments were reconciled with inbound shipments based upon weight only. X thousand pounds in = X thousand pounds out (plus allowable losses). In most cases, tariffs allowed for storage/processing time at transit points of up to 12 months, far beyond the length of time you'd want to have a car sitting around.

For modeling purposes, the transit issue is essentially meaningless. It was just an (often complex) accounting transaction on the prototype RRs that resulted in lower through rates for shippers. It has little/no impact upon physical operation (equipment movement, etc) on the typical model RR, the way I see it. To model it, you'd just have individual cars arriving at transit points with products; individual cars leaving transit points with products, with the two movements essentially independent of each other. The process of moving equipment in/out of any particular customer's facility is essentially the same with or without the existence of transit privileges.

Take care,

Mark Amfahr


Transportation Options Orlando to Coco Beach

dphobbies
 

Does anyone know of any non-rental car options to get to Prototype Rails from the Orlando airport to Coco Beach. My partner and I are coming in Wed eve at 7:40 on SWA and are looking for options. Anyone else in the same boat, I am happy to share a limo or cab.

Ron Sebastian
Des Plaines


Re: Reading USRA Gondola Load

Tom Houle <thoule@...>
 

Hey, seeing Rich Yoder's comments on his beautiful brass O scale USRA mill
gon offering, reminded me;

Rails Unlimited offers this car in a resin O scale kit: a one-piece body,
separate under frame, and ends that can be left up or down. Pennsy decals
are available, too.

Tom Houle

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Richard Yoder
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 10:18 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Reading USRA Gondola Load

To all interested,
I also produced this model in "O" Scale a few years ago.
There are several good photos on my web site of Reading cars.
http://www.richyodermodels.com/rym_fc_rdg_cont_gon.htm

Rich Yoder

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tom
Houle
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 10:29 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Reading USRA Gondola Load

To all interested in the USRA 70-ton 46' mill gons operated by the Reading,
Pennsy, NYC, B & O, and a few other eastern roads, I recommend the RMC
multi-page article "USRA Steel Mill Gondolas" by Eric Neubauer in the
June, 2000 issue. It includes photos, Reading HO drawings, and history of
this car. Westerfield and Walthers offered this car.
Tom Houle

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Eric
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:15 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Reading USRA Gondola Load

In addition to the load, I wonder when these USRA mill gons were equipped
with AB brake systems. A recent comment here noting AB brake systems on less
than 25% of the 1940 freight car fleet had me wondering about how quickly
the mill gons would be upgraded. Hoppers tended to be rebuilt more
frequently and many owners of the composite USRA gons rebuilt with steel
sides through the 1930s.

Wouldn't these USRA mill gondolas be candidates for retaining K brake
systems through WWII?

Eric


Eric Hansmann
New Paltz, NY

--- In STMFC@..., richtownsend@... wrote:

I have a Walthers USRA gondola painted and lettered for the Reading RR.
I'm trying to come up with a suitable and interesting load for it. My
research on Reading, PA disclosed that the city is or was known for
anthracite coal and for pretzels. I don't like the idea of a coal load, and
while I am confident I could fashion HO scale pretzels from thin wire, I
don't think a load of pretzels would be very realistic. So I am asking the
collective brain of this list for suggestions on what to load in this car.
Anyone?


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon


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Re: Reading USRA Gondola Load

Rich Yoder
 

To all interested,
I also produced this model in "O" Scale a few years ago.
There are several good photos on my web site of Reading cars.
http://www.richyodermodels.com/rym_fc_rdg_cont_gon.htm

Rich Yoder

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tom
Houle
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 10:29 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Reading USRA Gondola Load

To all interested in the USRA 70-ton 46' mill gons operated by the Reading,
Pennsy, NYC, B & O, and a few other eastern roads, I recommend the RMC
multi-page article "USRA Steel Mill Gondolas" by Eric Neubauer in the
June, 2000 issue. It includes photos, Reading HO drawings, and history of
this car. Westerfield and Walthers offered this car.
Tom Houle

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Eric
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:15 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Reading USRA Gondola Load

In addition to the load, I wonder when these USRA mill gons were equipped
with AB brake systems. A recent comment here noting AB brake systems on less
than 25% of the 1940 freight car fleet had me wondering about how quickly
the mill gons would be upgraded. Hoppers tended to be rebuilt more
frequently and many owners of the composite USRA gons rebuilt with steel
sides through the 1930s.

Wouldn't these USRA mill gondolas be candidates for retaining K brake
systems through WWII?

Eric


Eric Hansmann
New Paltz, NY

--- In STMFC@..., richtownsend@... wrote:

I have a Walthers USRA gondola painted and lettered for the Reading RR.
I'm trying to come up with a suitable and interesting load for it. My
research on Reading, PA disclosed that the city is or was known for
anthracite coal and for pretzels. I don't like the idea of a coal load, and
while I am confident I could fashion HO scale pretzels from thin wire, I
don't think a load of pretzels would be very realistic. So I am asking the
collective brain of this list for suggestions on what to load in this car.
Anyone?


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon


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Louisville & Nashville USRA Mill gondolas

Bill Welch
 

For those "Ya'll Modelers" I have a Mt. Vernon Builders photo and an
in-service photo from a group of L&N gondolas that with the exception
of an early Dreadnaught end are almost certainly copies of the USRA
Mill gons. No less an expert on this design than Randy Anderson
educated me on this and gave me the in-service photo. I was never
able to convince Al W. to offer this version but I will try with the
new proprietor.


Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
fgexbill@...


Re: Reading USRA Gondola Load

Larry Sexton
 

In addition to the RMC article Tom Houle references, the Richard Hendrickson
article in the July 2002 Rail Model Journal, and the discussions in the
Steam Era Freight Cars Reviews are both helpful when working on the 46' USRA
gons.



Larry Sexton



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tom
Houle
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 10:29 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Reading USRA Gondola Load





To all interested in the USRA 70-ton 46' mill gons operated by the Reading,
Pennsy, NYC, B & O, and a few other eastern roads, I recommend the RMC
multi-page article "USRA Steel Mill Gondolas" by Eric Neubauer in the
June, 2000 issue. It includes photos, Reading HO drawings, and history of
this car. Westerfield and Walthers offered this car.
Tom Houle

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
Of Eric
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:15 AM
To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Reading USRA Gondola Load

In addition to the load, I wonder when these USRA mill gons were equipped
with AB brake systems. A recent comment here noting AB brake systems on less
than 25% of the 1940 freight car fleet had me wondering about how quickly
the mill gons would be upgraded. Hoppers tended to be rebuilt more
frequently and many owners of the composite USRA gons rebuilt with steel
sides through the 1930s.

Wouldn't these USRA mill gondolas be candidates for retaining K brake
systems through WWII?

Eric

Eric Hansmann
New Paltz, NY

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> ,
richtownsend@... wrote:

I have a Walthers USRA gondola painted and lettered for the Reading RR.
I'm trying to come up with a suitable and interesting load for it. My
research on Reading, PA disclosed that the city is or was known for
anthracite coal and for pretzels. I don't like the idea of a coal load, and
while I am confident I could fashion HO scale pretzels from thin wire, I
don't think a load of pretzels would be very realistic. So I am asking the
collective brain of this list for suggestions on what to load in this car.
Anyone?


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon
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Re: Reading USRA Gondola Load

Tom Houle <thoule@...>
 

To all interested in the USRA 70-ton 46' mill gons operated by the Reading,
Pennsy, NYC, B & O, and a few other eastern roads, I recommend the RMC
multi-page article "USRA Steel Mill Gondolas" by Eric Neubauer in the
June, 2000 issue. It includes photos, Reading HO drawings, and history of
this car. Westerfield and Walthers offered this car.
Tom Houle

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Eric
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:15 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Reading USRA Gondola Load

In addition to the load, I wonder when these USRA mill gons were equipped
with AB brake systems. A recent comment here noting AB brake systems on less
than 25% of the 1940 freight car fleet had me wondering about how quickly
the mill gons would be upgraded. Hoppers tended to be rebuilt more
frequently and many owners of the composite USRA gons rebuilt with steel
sides through the 1930s.

Wouldn't these USRA mill gondolas be candidates for retaining K brake
systems through WWII?

Eric


Eric Hansmann
New Paltz, NY

--- In STMFC@..., richtownsend@... wrote:

I have a Walthers USRA gondola painted and lettered for the Reading RR.
I'm trying to come up with a suitable and interesting load for it. My
research on Reading, PA disclosed that the city is or was known for
anthracite coal and for pretzels. I don't like the idea of a coal load, and
while I am confident I could fashion HO scale pretzels from thin wire, I
don't think a load of pretzels would be very realistic. So I am asking the
collective brain of this list for suggestions on what to load in this car.
Anyone?


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon


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Re: Reading USRA Gondola Load

Bruce Smith
 

Eric,

Don't interpret the pre WWII percentage to equal an immediate post WWII
percentage. In preparartion for WWII there was a rapid conversion of
many cars in 1940 and 1940. In addition, the heavy tonnage and long
trains of the war resulted in a number of wrecks directly atributed to
too high a percentage of K brakes in the trains, thus there was a push
to convert even more. By 1944 the percentage was down to 50% or less,
iirc. That said, yes, some of these cars likely still had their K
brakes.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

"Eric" <eric@...> 01/02/12 8:15 AM >>>
In addition to the load, I wonder when these USRA mill gons were
equipped with AB brake systems. A recent comment here noting AB brake
systems on less than 25% of the 1940 freight car fleet had me wondering
about how quickly the mill gons would be upgraded. Hoppers tended to be
rebuilt more frequently and many owners of the composite USRA gons
rebuilt with steel sides through the 1930s.

Wouldn't these USRA mill gondolas be candidates for retaining K brake
systems through WWII?

Eric


Re: Reading USRA Gondola Load

Eric Hansmann
 

In addition to the load, I wonder when these USRA mill gons were equipped with AB brake systems. A recent comment here noting AB brake systems on less than 25% of the 1940 freight car fleet had me wondering about how quickly the mill gons would be upgraded. Hoppers tended to be rebuilt more frequently and many owners of the composite USRA gons rebuilt with steel sides through the 1930s.

Wouldn't these USRA mill gondolas be candidates for retaining K brake systems through WWII?

Eric


Eric Hansmann
New Paltz, NY

--- In STMFC@..., richtownsend@... wrote:

I have a Walthers USRA gondola painted and lettered for the Reading RR. I'm trying to come up with a suitable and interesting load for it. My research on Reading, PA disclosed that the city is or was known for anthracite coal and for pretzels. I don't like the idea of a coal load, and while I am confident I could fashion HO scale pretzels from thin wire, I don't think a load of pretzels would be very realistic. So I am asking the collective brain of this list for suggestions on what to load in this car. Anyone?


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon


Re: Simplex Bolsters

soolinehistory <destorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., Todd Horton <toddchorton@...> wrote:

Richard, Where was the Simplex manufacturing plant located?  For what it's worth the 1925 C of G flat car that was recently saved had Simplex bolsters on it.  Todd Horton
Google is a wonderful thing:

http://books.google.com/books?id=qgVLAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA244&lpg=PA244&dq=simplex+bolster&source=bl&ots=zZofcRzQii&sig=0jTtRG3lH1OYI7qLM2NdUnKDsQc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=oYYBT8nIAeew2wXQ_YCaCw&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=simplex%20bolster&f=false

Although the Chicago reference is likely just the sales office. Note from the text it sounds like this was a mature product even in 1901.

Drawing:

http://books.google.com/books?id=o-06AAAAMAAJ&pg=PA90&lpg=PA90&dq=simplex+bolster&source=bl&ots=o12LfJGzSg&sig=c9NER414V9Pk9BJMSUJLxZ0sSYA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=oYYBT8nIAeew2wXQ_YCaCw&ved=0CEQQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=simplex%20bolster&f=false

HO scale model:

http://www.truelinetrains.ca/paint-accessories

Yeah, it looks like the entire bolster is set too high in this truck. Maybe the TLT underframe has undersized center sills; I recall the sills on these early steel cars were 15" channels, 3" larger than the 12" that later became the defacto standard.

Dennis


ADMIN:Resin Sale: Moderate Jail is not nice

mike brock <brockm@...>
 

Guys. If this chatter regarding the resin sale...ALL of which should be OFF GROUP...continues, the new jail cell will be opened for all contributors tomorrow morning. Let this be a warning. Moderate Jail is not nice. The food [ food? ] is terrible and you can't speak. Read that, you CANNOT post a message on the STMFC without approval AND the STMFC approval system will be down during Prototype Rails this coming Thursday through Sunday. Take heed.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


Re: Happy New Year's resin sale!

James L. Jeffery
 

Sorry, do not see any attachments.



Jim Jeffery

----- Original Message -----


From: "Ray Breyer" <rtbsvrr69@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2012 8:11:08 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Happy New Year's resin sale!

It's attached Jim!

 
Regards,

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


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 From: "jimj2100@..." <jimj2100@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2012 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Happy New Year's resin sale!
 


Please send list of resin kits.

Thank you.

Jim Jeffery



----- Original Message -----


From: "Ray Breyer" <rtbsvrr69@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2012 6:48:44 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Happy New Year's resin sale!

Hi Scott,


No message was attached to your reply, but I get the idea: the list is attached!

 
Regards,

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL

(don't feel bad; that sort of thing happens with my  Droid II all the time!)


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 From: Scott Seders <sseders@...>
To: "STMFC@..." <STMFC@...>
Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2012 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Happy New Year's resin sale!
 
On Jan 1, 2012, at 9:03 PM, "rtbsvrr69" <rtbsvrr69@...> wrote:

Evening everyone,

To kick off the New Year, I've got 33 resin "will never get to them" kits for sale. 16 Sunshine, 12 F&C, 4 Westerfields, 1 Speedwich.

If interested, please email me OFF LIST at rtbsvrr69@...

Thanks, and have a great 2012!

Regards,
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL



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Re: Reading USRA Gondola Load

Clark Propst
 

Not many RDG USRA gons running around the Upper Midwest, but here's one.

RDG 7321 6950-7449 GB steel billets

Clark Propst


Re: Happy New Year's resin sale!

Ray Breyer
 

It's attached Jim!

 
Regards,

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


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From: "jimj2100@..." <jimj2100@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2012 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Happy New Year's resin sale!



Please send list of resin kits.

Thank you.

Jim Jeffery



----- Original Message -----


From: "Ray Breyer" <rtbsvrr69@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2012 6:48:44 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Happy New Year's resin sale!

Hi Scott,


No message was attached to your reply, but I get the idea: the list is attached!

 
Regards,

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL

(don't feel bad; that sort of thing happens with my  Droid II all the time!)


________________________________
 From: Scott Seders <sseders@...>
To: "STMFC@..." <STMFC@...>
Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2012 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Happy New Year's resin sale!
 
On Jan 1, 2012, at 9:03 PM, "rtbsvrr69" <rtbsvrr69@...> wrote:

Evening everyone,

To kick off the New Year, I've got 33 resin "will never get to them" kits for sale. 16 Sunshine, 12 F&C, 4 Westerfields, 1 Speedwich.

If interested, please email me OFF LIST at rtbsvrr69@...

Thanks, and have a great 2012!

Regards,
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL



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Re: Happy New Year's resin sale!

Benjamin Hom
 

Can you guys take your business off-list?  I don't need your e-mails cloggin up
my inbox.


Ben Hom




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From: "jimj2100@..." <jimj2100@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sun, January 1, 2012 10:03:09 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Happy New Year's resin sale!

 


Please send list of resin kits.

Thank you.

Jim Jeffery

----- Original Message -----

From: "Ray Breyer" <rtbsvrr69@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2012 6:48:44 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Happy New Year's resin sale!

Hi Scott,

No message was attached to your reply, but I get the idea: the list is attached!


 
Regards,

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL

(don't feel bad; that sort of thing happens with my  Droid II all the time!)

________________________________
 From: Scott Seders <sseders@...>
To: "STMFC@..." <STMFC@...>
Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2012 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Happy New Year's resin sale!
 
On Jan 1, 2012, at 9:03 PM, "rtbsvrr69" <rtbsvrr69@...> wrote:

Evening everyone,

To kick off the New Year, I've got 33 resin "will never get to them" kits for
sale. 16 Sunshine, 12 F&C, 4 Westerfields, 1 Speedwich.


If interested, please email me OFF LIST at rtbsvrr69@...

Thanks, and have a great 2012!

Regards,
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL



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Re: Happy New Year's resin sale!

James L. Jeffery
 

Please send list of resin kits.

Thank you.

Jim Jeffery

----- Original Message -----


From: "Ray Breyer" <rtbsvrr69@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2012 6:48:44 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Happy New Year's resin sale!

Hi Scott,


No message was attached to your reply, but I get the idea: the list is attached!

 
Regards,

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL

(don't feel bad; that sort of thing happens with my  Droid II all the time!)


________________________________
 From: Scott Seders <sseders@...>
To: "STMFC@..." <STMFC@...>
Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2012 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Happy New Year's resin sale!
 
On Jan 1, 2012, at 9:03 PM, "rtbsvrr69" <rtbsvrr69@...> wrote:

Evening everyone,

To kick off the New Year, I've got 33 resin "will never get to them" kits for sale. 16 Sunshine, 12 F&C, 4 Westerfields, 1 Speedwich.

If interested, please email me OFF LIST at rtbsvrr69@...

Thanks, and have a great 2012!

Regards,
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL



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Re: what should have been off list

Ray Breyer
 

Sorry for wasting bandwidth everyone. I'll be more careful!

Regards,
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL

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