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Sunshine's Business Practices

John Hagen <sprinthag@...>
 

Tom and group.



Certainly Martin can have any policy he wants. But to not support his own
product seems counterproductive to me. Now that is just my opinion which
could be very incorrect in your opinion.



I understand the lack of desire to support those who buy a kit from an
outside source. But then, as stated, reselling of resin kits (or any kit or
RTR for that matter) is a rather common practice. My thought is if someone
buys an unbuilt kit that I produced and sold to someone at one point, I
would try to b e very helpful to anyone willing to purchase any missing
parts. The guy wasn't asking for free decals, just decals. What if the kit
had the decals and the modeler damaged one when installing them? A customer
is a valued thing in this day and age. Someone who buys a kit from whoever
and enjoys building it into a satisfactory model will be a very potential
customer for more kits that he/she would order direct from me. I gotta tell
you that if it was me that bought that kit it would be the last I'd buy.
Unless, maybe, if I needed a certain kit and Sunshine was the only game in
town. Even then I'd reassess my need for that particular model.



Yep, he can run his business any way he pleases and I can buy from anyone I
please.



John Hagen



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
pullmanboss
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 9:48 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: ADMIN: Spam and Manufacturer's Business Practices



This is a sticky issue because a large percentage of all resin kits end up
changing hands before they are built. (If they ever are!) And there's no way
Martin can track even his own sales at RPM meets and shows. But that doesn't
mean he can't have a policy of only supporting the original purchaser. It's
one thing to ask for a replacement if you bought the kit from Martin, but if
it was a private transaction you should assume someone else has unwrapped
and repackaged the kit, so it's buyer beware.

Tom Madden


Re: ADMIN: Spam and Manufacturer's Business Practices

ronald parisi
 

Dear Fenton:

Bourbon is quicker and more fun...

Ron Parisi

(Also with a hobby shop in a few closets)

On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 10:17 AM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...>wrote:

Andy, a few unbuilt!!!!! I wish. I finally realized that I would be long
gone from this world before I ever built my inventory. I don't know what I
was thinking but I do love the kits and still buy a few even though I have
sold many. I think they call people like me delusional. Last count I'm
down to a paltry 50 or so. Around 100 if you count F&C, Westerfield and
Speedwitch. I may need counselling.....or more bourbon.
Fenton Wells
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Andy Harman <gsgondola@...> wrote:

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At 12:47 PM 5/1/2012 -0400, you wrote:

My concern is that many members on the STMFC own and possibly buy/sell
Sunshine kits. Buyers of Sunshine kits need to be aware that Sunshine
does
not support after market purchases...even if they do have parts.
I do have a few unbuilt Sunshine kits that I probably will never use and
that I would like to sell. I guess I should include this caveat in my
auction listing.....

Andy




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Fenton Wells
3047 Creek Run
Sanford NC 27332
919-499-5545
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Re: ADMIN: Spam and Manufacturer's Business Practices

Tom Madden
 

Mike Brock wrote, based on a complaint he received:

My concern is that many members on the STMFC own and possibly buy/sell
Sunshine kits. Buyers of Sunshine kits need to be aware that Sunshine does
not support after market purchases...even if they do have parts.
This is not a policy change, although it sounds like Martin could have handled it better. Perhaps he was having a bad day, or the request was more confrontational/demanding than we think. Here's what Jim Hayes wrote earlier this year:

I had a conversation with Martin & Tricia at Lisle where I was told that
they don't want to sell individual decals or parts. However, as Clark said,
they do bring boxes of obsolete decals to shows they attend.
This is a sticky issue because a large percentage of all resin kits end up changing hands before they are built. (If they ever are!) And there's no way Martin can track even his own sales at RPM meets and shows. But that doesn't mean he can't have a policy of only supporting the original purchaser. It's one thing to ask for a replacement if you bought the kit from Martin, but if it was a private transaction you should assume someone else has unwrapped and repackaged the kit, so it's buyer beware.

Tom Madden


Re: ADMIN: Spam and Manufacturer's Business Practices

O Fenton Wells
 

Andy, a few unbuilt!!!!! I wish. I finally realized that I would be long
gone from this world before I ever built my inventory. I don't know what I
was thinking but I do love the kits and still buy a few even though I have
sold many. I think they call people like me delusional. Last count I'm
down to a paltry 50 or so. Around 100 if you count F&C, Westerfield and
Speedwitch. I may need counselling.....or more bourbon.
Fenton Wells
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Andy Harman <gsgondola@...> wrote:

**


At 12:47 PM 5/1/2012 -0400, you wrote:

My concern is that many members on the STMFC own and possibly buy/sell
Sunshine kits. Buyers of Sunshine kits need to be aware that Sunshine does
not support after market purchases...even if they do have parts.
I do have a few unbuilt Sunshine kits that I probably will never use and
that I would like to sell. I guess I should include this caveat in my
auction listing.....

Andy




--
Fenton Wells
3047 Creek Run
Sanford NC 27332
919-499-5545
srrfan1401@...


Re: decals derailed

Brian Ehni <behni@...>
 

WHEN you can get it to work. I'm dealing with what I've narrowed down as a
computer issue, as my new-in-the-box ALPS is behaving the same as my
original one.


Thanks!
--

Brian P. Ehni

From: John Hagen <sprinthag@...>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Date: Wednesday, May 2, 2012 8:52 AM
To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: decals derailed






Peter,

Jerry抯 printer uses a digital screen print process, not an Alps.

But as long as you chose to lambast Alps printers, while the printer design
is passé the Thermo Transfer technology they use is not. And, even if the
Alps printers are aged and on their last, shaky, legs, an Alps printer with
a good head still does a great job.

John Hagen

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[mailto:STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
Of
peteraue
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 6:47 AM
To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: decals derailed

Jerry,

Please contact me offline. I may be able to help you. I have been dealing
with a reliable decal printer who is NOT using the obsolete Alps printing
technology.

Peter Aue

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Re: decals derailed

John Hagen <sprinthag@...>
 

Peter,



Jerry’s printer uses a digital screen print process, not an Alps.



But as long as you chose to lambast Alps printers, while the printer design
is passé the Thermo Transfer technology they use is not. And, even if the
Alps printers are aged and on their last, shaky, legs, an Alps printer with
a good head still does a great job.



John Hagen



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
peteraue
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 6:47 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: decals derailed







Jerry,

Please contact me offline. I may be able to help you. I have been dealing
with a reliable decal printer who is NOT using the obsolete Alps printing
technology.

Peter Aue





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Re: decals derailed

peteraue
 

Jerry,

Please contact me offline. I may be able to help you. I have been dealing with a reliable decal printer who is NOT using the obsolete Alps printing technology.

Peter Aue


Re: It's not Shaving Cream...

cinderandeight@...
 

Steve,
One last comment on the failure of this. I talked with a number of
former PRR Sam Rea shop employees at various times, and recall being told that
getting the foam to properly stick in the desired thickness on cars was
always a problem. One guy said "we really only had one guy who was good at
spraying it".
Rich Burg


Re: ExactRail, MRH Podcast Interview

Blaine
 

Tony,

I looked into the matter on our end. ExactRail's server has been slow do to heavy traffic for today's release. It may be the case that this is influencing the problem.

Best regards,

Blaine Hadfield

Vice President, Product
ExactRail


Re: ExactRail, MRH Podcast Interview

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

I wrote:
Note to self: DO NOT attempt t listen to any more MRH podcasts.
This was an unwarranted comment on my part, since the podcast I tried to listen to is actually on the ExactRail site, not the MRH site. It's a file that MRH supplied to ExactRail for their use. I apologize to MRH, and must add that I have occasionally listened to their podcasts before without problems.
After several list members chimed in that they had no problems, I rebooted my computer, checked that my internet router is working okay, and tried again. This time there were still several long pauses for "buffering," so the problem has not gone away for me.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: ExactRail, MRH Podcast Interview

Jim Hayes
 

I just listened to the whole thing with no problems at all.

Jim Hayes


On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Richard Brennan <brennan8@...>wrote:

**


At 02:01 PM 5/1/2012, Anthony Thompson wrote:
Probably not your fault, Blaine, but a very annoying podcast. It
stops every 15 seconds or so to "buffer" the download. These 10-or-so-
second interruptions soon got to me and I bailed. I have pretty fast
DSL so I'm not sure of the problem source. Note to self: DO NOT
attempt t listen to any more MRH podcasts.
Hmm... I just listened to the PodCast straight through;
No problems, Clear as could be...
<http://www.exactrail.com/exactrail-model-railroad-blog>
http://www.exactrail.com/exactrail-model-railroad-blog

As has been said: YMMV

--------------------
Richard Brennan
<somewhere between Budapest and Shenzhen>
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Re: ExactRail, MRH Podcast Interview

Jeff Shultz <jeff@...>
 

Tony, I took a look at the code on that page and the audio is stored on ExactRail's server. This is not the normal MRH podcast.

The address for the audio is
http://exactrail.com/skin/frontend/exactrail/desktop/audio/mrhpodcast-20120403.mp3

It downloaded fine to me, but I also have a 300mb/s internet connection.

--
Jeff Shultz
www.shultzinfosystems.com

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

Blaine Hadfield wrote:
Model Railroad Hobbyist magazine was interested in the backstory
behind our decision to be consumer-direct. My response is posted on
our blog at
www.exactrail.com. Because of the way my comments relate to tooling
and our direction to freight car models, it may be of interest to
many of you. I invite you to listen. It may be found at our website,
exactrail.com, under the blog tab.
Probably not your fault, Blaine, but a very annoying podcast. It
stops every 15 seconds or so to "buffer" the download. These 10-or-so-
second interruptions soon got to me and I bailed. I have pretty fast
DSL so I'm not sure of the problem source. Note to self: DO NOT
attempt t listen to any more MRH podcasts.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: ExactRail, MRH Podcast Interview

Richard Brennan <brennan8@...>
 

At 02:01 PM 5/1/2012, Anthony Thompson wrote:
Probably not your fault, Blaine, but a very annoying podcast. It
stops every 15 seconds or so to "buffer" the download. These 10-or-so-
second interruptions soon got to me and I bailed. I have pretty fast
DSL so I'm not sure of the problem source. Note to self: DO NOT
attempt t listen to any more MRH podcasts.
Hmm... I just listened to the PodCast straight through;
No problems, Clear as could be...
<http://www.exactrail.com/exactrail-model-railroad-blog>http://www.exactrail.com/exactrail-model-railroad-blog


As has been said: YMMV


--------------------
Richard Brennan
<somewhere between Budapest and Shenzhen>
--------------------


Re: ExactRail, MRH Podcast Interview

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Blaine Hadfield wrote:
Model Railroad Hobbyist magazine was interested in the backstory behind our decision to be consumer-direct. My response is posted on our blog at
www.exactrail.com. Because of the way my comments relate to tooling and our direction to freight car models, it may be of interest to many of you. I invite you to listen. It may be found at our website, exactrail.com, under the blog tab.
Probably not your fault, Blaine, but a very annoying podcast. It stops every 15 seconds or so to "buffer" the download. These 10-or-so- second interruptions soon got to me and I bailed. I have pretty fast DSL so I'm not sure of the problem source. Note to self: DO NOT attempt t listen to any more MRH podcasts.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


ExactRail, MRH Podcast Interview

Blaine
 

Group,

Model Railroad Hobbyist magazine was interested in the backstory behind our decision to be consumer-direct. My response is posted on our blog at
www.exactrail.com. Because of the way my comments relate to tooling and our direction to freight car models, it may be of interest to many of you. I invite you to listen. It may be found at our website, exactrail.com, under the blog tab.

Best regards,

Blaine Hadfield

Vice President, Product
ExactRail


Re: Subject Lines

Scott Pitzer
 

Don't get me started on Subject Lines. There's room for several words up there, so I wish people wouldn't stop with just "Some Guy's Name" as a Subject Line. If you've been corresponding with list member Joe Schmo but you accidentally deleted his info, try "Joe Schmo, please contact me again." If Joe Schmo has put out some freight car books in the past and then went dormant, how about "Any more books coming from Joe Schmo?" If Joe Schmo is in the hospital and might enjoy receiving cards and letters, there's "Joe Schmo having health problems." If noted freight car photographer Joe Schmo has died at age 99 in Anytown, Kansas, try "Photographer Joe Schmo, 1913-2012." But a lot of the time, all we get is "Joe Schmo" as the Subject Line. (Apologies in advance to any list members actually named Joe Schmo.)

And if you want to know the color scheme of C&WI caboose #11, try to pin it down more closely than "Paint Question."

Thanks! Cheers! Jolly Good! and all that,
Scott Pitzer


Re: It's not Shaving Cream...

Steve Vallee
 

Dear Group...

   Many, many THANKS to all who gave me answers I was looking for.

  Steve Vallee



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Re: It's not Shaving Cream...

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tom Birkett wrote:
Santa Fe Conditionaire cars made cool orange juice on the bottom
And bruised a lot of the fruit they didn't crush or burst. Idea didn't last long. I understand the potato versions were hard on the cargo too,

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: It's not Shaving Cream...

Tom Birkett <tnbirke@...>
 

Santa Fe Conditionaire cars made cool orange juice on the bottom

Tom Birkett



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
soolinehistory
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:13 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: It's not Shaving Cream...







--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "Steve"
<stvvallee@...> wrote:

Dear Group...

Even though this subject is in the "Future"(1964)and doesn't exist on the
list, I wanted to see what the Group thought of it.

I found this item on page 70 of the November, 1964 issue of Model
Railroader Magazine:

After various experiments, U. S. Steel, working with the Pennsylvania RR.,
tried spraying cars in ore service with polyurethane. Thus far tests have
shown that these cars keep iron ore from freezing for 100 hours at
temperatures down to 5 degrees.


My questions are as follows:

a)...What other railroads, if any, tried this covering?
Better sneak this in before the sheriff notices the 1964 date. This may not
have been a successful use of urethane foam, but that didn't keep several
roads from applying it to the outside of Centerflow hoppers to make
insulated covered hoppers. The NP used theirs for shipping potatoes, which
only need to be kept from freezing. The Santa Fe also had some, although I
don't know what product they were intended for.

I can't find a prototype photo on the web, but Digital Fox has done custom
runs of the ATSF, NP, and BN repaints of the NP cars using Accurail 4600s.
See the BN cars here:

http://www.digitalfox.com/digitalfox/

Boy, freight cars sure will be getting ugly in the future.


Re: ADMIN: Spam and Manufacturer's Business Practices

Andy Harman
 

At 12:47 PM 5/1/2012 -0400, you wrote:

My concern is that many members on the STMFC own and possibly buy/sell
Sunshine kits. Buyers of Sunshine kits need to be aware that Sunshine does
not support after market purchases...even if they do have parts.
I do have a few unbuilt Sunshine kits that I probably will never use and that I would like to sell. I guess I should include this caveat in my auction listing.....

Andy