There are many possibilities for the use of styrene rail. Not only for D&H modellers of the steam era that will have CWR next the running rails to be put in track (did any other road use much CWR in the STMFC timeframe?).

Handlaid turnouts and bridge decks (both actually relevant to STMFC'ers) could finally have guardrails that would not reveal bare nickle silver tops after track cleaning. Some railway structures used old rail as structural steel components instead of I- or H-section beams, another advantage of styrene rail shapes for the modeller.

National Steel Car had an in-plant service gon that used light rail (I have a photo of this car), probably 80# or lighter, as the posts supporting the sides of the car. This car also used the lowest third portion of their NSC-1 ends. Tricky to build out of nickle-silver rail, but easy in styrene. Maybe some roads used rail for uprights in gons as well?

As for rail length, very common in our era were 33' rails in many railways' main tracks. They fit nicely in the 36' i.l. gons and flats used to transport rail from the mill to customer. 39' rail was coming into use, but 33' rails were still very common. I don't recall any 39' rail being in use before 1910. To add to the mix, some roads chopped 18" off each battered end of rails, producing 36', 30', and 27' rails in the process. So cutting what length you want out of 36" long styrene shapes would be best for the modeller. But I'd personally appreciate even 12" lengths of Code 70/55 rail from Evergreen.

But modelling various rail-built bumpers, parking lot curbs, etc, is best done with metal rail for durability. Errant elbows do a lot of damage on a layout.

And I'll echo Dennis Storzek's thoughts on smaller-section styrene strip, such as .010" square. Maybe some 5 thou strip...please??

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@... , "Ed" <nprybiged@> wrote:

We were talking about having Evergreen,or someone make some new
shape materials.

Well I'm going to dive off on the high board and hope someone filled
the pool.

How about making Styrene Rail, yes I said Rail, in code 100, 83 and
55. Think about it. How many times have you seen photos of the Right
of Way with, depending on the era, 38' sections or welded rail along
side of the track awaiting to be rerailed, or stacks of rail stored
in a freight yard.

This also opens up the posiblety of a welded rail train. Say 15 old
wooden side dump cars with the ends removed and one or two levels of
Rail. Now, I think, if you ahcor the rail in the middle it should
bend ok without derailing the cars.

So if we can but scale HO Tie plates and Rail Joiners in Styrene why
not Scale Rail. I know it can be done just look at the pieces of iron
work that Plastruct markets.

OK, how about your thoughts.

Ed Ursem

There are many possibilities for the use of styrene rail. Not only for D&H modellers of the steam era that will have CWR next the running rails to be put in track (did any other road use much CWR in the STMFC timeframe?).

Handlaid turnouts and bridge decks (both actually relevant to STMFC'ers) could finally have guardrails that would not reveal bare nickle silver tops after track cleaning. Some railway structures used old rail as structural steel components instead of I- or H-section beams, another advantage of styrene rail shapes for the modeller.

National Steel Car had an in-plant service gon that used light rail (I have a photo of this car), probably 80# or lighter, as the posts supporting the sides of the car. This car also used the lowest third portion of their NSC-1 ends. Tricky to build out of nickle-silver rail, but easy in styrene. Maybe some roads used rail for uprights in gons as well?

As for rail length, very common in our era were 33' rails in many railways' main tracks. They fit nicely in the 36' i.l. gons and flats used to transport rail from the mill to customer. 39' rail was coming into use, but 33' rails were still very common. I don't recall any 39' rail being in use before 1910. To add to the mix, some roads chopped 18" off each battered end of rails, producing 36', 30', and 27' rails in the process. So cutting what length you want out of 36" long styrene shapes would be best for the modeller. But I'd personally appreciate even 12" lengths of Code 70/55 rail from Evergreen.

But modelling various rail-built bumpers, parking lot curbs, etc, is best done with metal rail for durability. Errant elbows do a lot of damage on a layout.

And I'll echo Dennis Storzek's thoughts on smaller-section styrene strip, such as .010" square. Maybe some 5 thou strip...please??

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., "Ed" <nprybiged@> wrote:

We were talking about having Evergreen,or someone make some new
shape materials.

Well I'm going to dive off on the high board and hope someone filled
the pool.

How about making Styrene Rail, yes I said Rail, in code 100, 83 and
55. Think about it. How many times have you seen photos of the Right
of Way with, depending on the era, 38' sections or welded rail along
side of the track awaiting to be rerailed, or stacks of rail stored
in a freight yard.

This also opens up the posiblety of a welded rail train. Say 15 old
wooden side dump cars with the ends removed and one or two levels of
Rail. Now, I think, if you ahcor the rail in the middle it should
bend ok without derailing the cars.

So if we can but scale HO Tie plates and Rail Joiners in Styrene why
not Scale Rail. I know it can be done just look at the pieces of iron
work that Plastruct markets.

OK, how about your thoughts.

Ed Ursem

A would use it to fill isolating gaps cut in rails for appearance and to make even flow of rail,I would prefer white plastic to best match ns rail,it would also be useful for guardrails in complex turnouts with multiple guard rails to avoid possible shorts and excessive number of isolating gaps and power feeds
 Alan
 


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From: Brian Ehni <behni@...>
To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] New Shapes to come



 

If you make them to CODE, they are scale immaterial. He's only asking for
three sizes.

Thanks!
--

Brian P. Ehni

On 6/20/12 2:02 PM, "ronald parisi" <mailto:ronald.parisi%40gmail.com> wrote:

Group:

I think that asking them to model in all 3 scales might be excessive. I
would definitely
buy it in HO scale.

Ron parisi

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Ed <mailto:nprybiged%40comcast.net> wrote:

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All

I'm going to go to Evergreen and ask them if they would consider
marketing Styrene Rail in HO, O and N scale in codes 100,83 and 55
in packages of 6, in 24" or 36" in lenght.

So, to give them a feeling of what the modelers thing about
buying something like this, would you please let me know what
your thoughts are?

Thank you
Ed Ursem

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We were talking about having Evergreen,or someone make some new
shape materials.

Well I'm going to dive off on the high board and hope someone filled
the pool.

How about making Styrene Rail, yes I said Rail, in code 100, 83 and
55. Think about it. How many times have you seen photos of the Right
of Way with, depending on the era, 38' sections or welded rail along
side of the track awaiting to be rerailed, or stacks of rail stored
in a freight yard.

This also opens up the posiblety of a welded rail train. Say 15 old
wooden side dump cars with the ends removed and one or two levels of
Rail. Now, I think, if you ahcor the rail in the middle it should
bend ok without derailing the cars.

So if we can but scale HO Tie plates and Rail Joiners in Styrene why
not Scale Rail. I know it can be done just look at the pieces of iron
work that Plastruct markets.

OK, how about your thoughts.

Ed Ursem

Jerry

I consided myself as the average modeler. So I want to build and
detail a track gane center with some out buildings and with one
or two piles of different sizes of rail and have a section of
mian line with sections of rail laying on both sides, that would
look impressive.

Now if I do this and use nickle silver rail that could very easily
be in double diget dollars. I would think twice before doing that
when I could, for the same amount, add a piece of rolling stock or
structure. Now for half that amount, using Styrene, I could do that
detail project.

It's my guess that's the same thought that the other average
modelers would have, but then I might wrong.

Thanks for your reply
Ed

--- In STMFC@..., jerryglow@ wrote:

I don't understand the need for it - what's wrong with real rail?

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., Michael Watnoski <freestatesystems1@> wrote:

Hi Ed, and All,

I would be interested in the code 83 and 55
in long lengths. This is a much needed item for
detailing many structures. It was often used for
making fences and hose racks, etc around shops.

Michael


On 6/20/2012 2:57 PM, Ed wrote:

All

I'm going to go to Evergreen and ask them if they would consider
marketing Styrene Rail in HO, O and N scale in codes 100,83 and 55
in packages of 6, in 24" or 36" in lenght.

So, to give them a feeling of what the modelers thing about
buying something like this, would you please let me know what
your thoughts are?

Thank you
Ed Ursem



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Jerry

One problem with real rail is WEIGHT. A gondola or flat that weighs
the NMRA recommended amount (or even more than that) becomes ridiculously
heavy with a full (realistic) load of nickel silver rail.

I think Sunshine made a resin rail load, for example.

Tim O'



At 6/20/2012 05:09 PM Wednesday, you wrote:

I don't understand the need for it - what's wrong with real rail?
Jerry Glow

I don't understand the need for it - what's wrong with real rail?
Jerry Glow

I don't understand the need for it - what's wrong with real rail?

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., Michael Watnoski <freestatesystems1@> wrote:

Hi Ed, and All,

I would be interested in the code 83 and 55
in long lengths. This is a much needed item for
detailing many structures. It was often used for
making fences and hose racks, etc around shops.

Michael


On 6/20/2012 2:57 PM, Ed wrote:

All

I'm going to go to Evergreen and ask them if they would consider
marketing Styrene Rail in HO, O and N scale in codes 100,83 and 55
in packages of 6, in 24" or 36" in lenght.

So, to give them a feeling of what the modelers thing about
buying something like this, would you please let me know what
your thoughts are?

Thank you
Ed Ursem



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Yahoo! Groups Links