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Westerfield order from new owners - good!

Craig Zeni
 

Just wanted to 'report' that my first order from the new owners was placed on August 16th - one kit and couple of sets of decals. It arrived today. The quality of the castings looks great, the packaging is nearly identical to the 'old days'. I'm delighted and won't hesitate to order again.


Craig Zeni
Cary NC


Re: Rare Freight Car Films/ CRR of NJ hopper

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Charles Hostetler" <cesicjh@...> wrote:
It could have been carrying anthracite coal,
Regardless of what it was carrying a CNJ hopper that far west would be an odd duck, standing out from many 100s (or maybe 1000s) of local road hoppers. You see a couple of out of place hoppers in the NMRA book.

Apparently anthracite has a few other uses besides fuel.

The hopper could also be carrying another bulk type material (like ore) used for a specialty application.

I think these out of place or odd cars were more likely to photographed than common cars, particularly by the few odd souls who photographed freight vcars in the steam era.

Ed Mines


For Sale: Athearn RTR PRR SD45

jonnyo55 <jonnyo55@...>
 

For sale is a NIB Athearn RTR SD45 in beautiful PRR DGLE. Nice and dark!
In HO scale, of course. This model has never been out of its box, is from the latest run, and can be yours for $70 plus shipping. I accept personal checks or money orders, but not Paypal.

John O'Connell jonnyo55 AT hotmail.com


Re: PRR G25b end question (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

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Caveats: NONE

Guys;

You are all correct. I did not have a good photo for the book, but the G25B was indeed fitted with plain steel ends with no depression, the easily-damaged pivoting brake wheel arrangement was done away with, and a pawl and base plate fitted to the top of the box sill with a standard-looking staff and horizontal wheel. Al's model was spot on.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Mark at Euphoriatt
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 5:48 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: PRR G25b end question



The PRRT&HS Gondola book states in January 1950 1736 G25’s had their ends welded shut creating the class G25B this was completed by 1953. There was no picture included.

Mark

From: westerfield@... <mailto:westerfield%40charter.net> [mailto:westerfield@... <mailto:westerfield%40charter.net> ]
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 4:55 PM
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Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: PRR G25b end question

Aaron - It's been a few years since I did that kit and I no longer have
the data as it went to the new owner. However, I can assure you that I
never would have issued the car unless I had difinitive information. -
Al Westerfield

On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 11:57 AM, cinderandeight@... <mailto:cinderandeight%40aol.com> <mailto:cinderandeight%40aol.com> wrote:

Aaron,
I lack a photo of the end of a G25B, but I can direct you to three of
company drawing numbers that may be available via the PRRT&HS website's
microfilm collection. They are:
A429018 (General arrangement G25B)
D443179 & D443478 (End arrangement, fixed ends made from drop end)
I have numbers for a couple other details of the car also, but
unfortunately none of them address the brake issue directly. If you
are
interested contact me off list.
Rich Burg

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Re: Question regarding Sunshine Models

al_brown03
 

To follow up on this topic, my order from the discontinued list arrived last Friday, six-and-a-half weeks from ordering.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@..., "al_brown03" <abrown@...> wrote:

My experience with Sunshine is that the check usually clears the month before they ship. Recent orders have shipped in 6 months or a little longer. Interestingly, the check for my order from the discontinued list cleared the next month! That was last month, and I haven't seen kits yet; but I wonder if I might soon.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


--- In STMFC@..., jerryglow@ wrote:

It usually takes about 6 months. Has anyone received their orders from the discontinued list? I forgot to keep a copy so don't remember the date I sent mine but it was within a few days of the notice.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., "Greg" <sgaab@> wrote:

Group,

I've searched the previous posts on this forum and I was made aware of the downsizing at Sunshine Models. My question being; What is an average (reasonable) waiting time for delivery of a kit? I had placed an order for two kits (both #92.8) on March 22 of this year and as best as I can determine, my check has not been cashed. Is there any way to inquire as to the status of my order? I really would like these kits since they are so unique and unavailable by any other manufacturer. Thanks in advance for any help.

Greg Bartek


Re: Railworks X32 on Ebay

Scott H. Haycock
 

What about that NKP berkshire for under $60.00? Tony Koester, where are you!
Scott

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From: "Tim O'Connor" <timboconnor@...>
To: stmfc@...
Sent: Monday, September 3, 2012 9:27:51 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Railworks X32 on Ebay







Wow. $52 for an excellent brass model of a PRR X32? Keep yer
eyes open, it's a buyers market on Ebay...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/110942367044

Tim O'




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Railworks X32 on Ebay

Tim O'Connor
 

Wow. $52 for an excellent brass model of a PRR X32? Keep yer
eyes open, it's a buyers market on Ebay...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/110942367044

Tim O'


Re: Historic 1951 film from Merchant's Dispatch steel ice reefer construction

Doug Auburg
 

Hi all,

Here is a link to a video of rail car manufacturing in East Rochester, NY in
1951. It's 53 minutes long. The first third or so shows some interesting
machining and forging. The last 2/3 shows the assembly of the cars that
shows a bunch of very interesting fabrication details. I found that it will
let you move the cursor forward or back to skip pieces that don't interest
you.

Here's the link:

http://origin.peg.tv/player/index/T01799?video=46789

once it loads, select "ER Historical Shows"
then select "A Day at the Car Shops"

and sit back and enjoy.

Doug Auburg


Re: Rare Freight Car Films/ CRR of NJ hopper

Charles Hostetler <cesicjh@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "EdwardM" <ed_mines@...> wrote:
CRR of NJ (CNJ) hopper - on the C&NW! I wonder how that got there.

Ed Mines

Hi Ed,

It could have been carrying anthracite coal, from the CNJ to C&NW via ERIE or PRR. I was surprised at the carload of anthracite going to the midwest (and even further). The data from the 1% Carload Waybill Sample for Anthracite from Pennsylvania in 1952 are posted at:

http://cnwmodeling.blogspot.com/2012/09/a-cnj-hopper-on-c.html

for those interested.

Regards,

Charles Hostetler


Re: Doc Denny

Aley, Jeff A
 

I see Denny on a regular basis, and he is well. He hasn't been online much lately due to some family matters that have been occupying his time.

Regards,

-Jeff


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of EdwardM
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 1:14 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Doc Denny



Haven't seen any recent postings from the little fella. Anyone know any news?

Ed Mines


Doc Denny

ed_mines
 

Haven't seen any recent postings from the little fella. Anyone know any news?

Ed Mines


Re: Rare Freight Car Films/ CRR of NJ hopper

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@..., Gary Laakso wrote:
This is a Rock Island promo film of the late 1940s {on You Tube} and it features many good run by shots.
A great film of a great railroad. Somehow though I think the horn of plenty has a hole in it.

A similar film - 1940's freight trains on the Chicago and Northwestern
..... - is just as good. At about the 6 minute mark there's an 8 rib, CRR of NJ (CNJ) hopper - on the C&NW! I wonder how that got there.

Ed Mines


Re: Tom Bissett

al_brown03
 

RIP indeed. What a storyteller. My favorite -- a close call among many -- was "the last train to Chiefland". Required content: while it happened well after 1960, I'm sure there were STZMFCs in the train.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@..., "lnnrr" <lnnrr@...> wrote:

RIP Tom. While I can't say I was close with Tom, I certainly enjoyed
his presentations. He will be missed by me and I'm sure many
others.
Chuck Peck

--- In STMFC@..., "Robert" <bobgang@> wrote:

For those who know him or have attended his clinics at Prototype Rails in Cocoa Beach, it is my sad job to report the passing of Tom Bissett this morning at Lakeland Medical Center. Tommy has been sick for awhile, and it finally got to him. A great guy and good friend.
No word yet as to services - just got word a few minutes ago.

Bob Gangwish


Re: PRR G25b end question

Larry Kline
 

Aaron,

In the "b" end photo of G25b 349777 the end does not have the indentation for the previous brake wheel, the brake wheel is above the top of the end, and there is a bracket for the brake staff attached to the end.

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA

--- In STMFC@..., "Aaron Gjermundson" <npin53@...> wrote:

Ray,

Thanks for the information.

I'm probably not buying a book for one picture, but could you tell me if the end has the indentation for the previous brake wheel arrangement? Supposedly the ends were switched before being welded.

Aaron



--- In STMFC@..., "rayteabow" <teabow1958@> wrote:

Hey Gang!
There is a nice color photo of the "b" end of G25b 349777 in service on the E.B.T.R.R. in Mt. Union, Pa. in the book "Slim Gauge Survivor" by Deanne Mellander, published by Old Line Graphics. The photo is found on page 20.
Ray Thibaut
teabow1958@


--- In STMFC@..., "Mark at Euphoriatt" <mark@> wrote:

The PRRT&HS Gondola book states in January 1950 1736 G25’s had their ends welded shut creating the class G25B this was completed by 1953. There was no picture included.



Mark



From: westerfield@ [mailto:westerfield@]
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 4:55 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: PRR G25b end question






Aaron - It's been a few years since I did that kit and I no longer have
the data as it went to the new owner. However, I can assure you that I
never would have issued the car unless I had difinitive information. -
Al Westerfield

On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 11:57 AM, cinderandeight@ <mailto:cinderandeight%40aol.com> wrote:

Aaron,
I lack a photo of the end of a G25B, but I can direct you to three of
company drawing numbers that may be available via the PRRT&HS website's
microfilm collection. They are:
A429018 (General arrangement G25B)
D443179 & D443478 (End arrangement, fixed ends made from drop end)
I have numbers for a couple other details of the car also, but
unfortunately none of them address the brake issue directly. If you
are
interested contact me off list.
Rich Burg

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Re: Tom Bissett

lnnrr <lnnrr@...>
 

RIP Tom. While I can't say I was close with Tom, I certainly enjoyed
his presentations. He will be missed by me and I'm sure many
others.
Chuck Peck

--- In STMFC@..., "Robert" <bobgang@...> wrote:

For those who know him or have attended his clinics at Prototype Rails in Cocoa Beach, it is my sad job to report the passing of Tom Bissett this morning at Lakeland Medical Center. Tommy has been sick for awhile, and it finally got to him. A great guy and good friend.
No word yet as to services - just got word a few minutes ago.

Bob Gangwish


Tom Bissett

Robert <bobgang@...>
 

For those who know him or have attended his clinics at Prototype Rails in Cocoa Beach, it is my sad job to report the passing of Tom Bissett this morning at Lakeland Medical Center. Tommy has been sick for awhile, and it finally got to him. A great guy and good friend.
No word yet as to services - just got word a few minutes ago.

Bob Gangwish


Despatch Shops Film

Jerry Breon
 

This morning I was reminded of a 53-minute film showing the construction of MDT reefers at NYC's Despatch Shops in 1951. The video can be found on the City of East Rochester site at:
http://www.eastrochester.org/<http://www.eastrochester.org/>
Scroll down to the "ERCN TV-12 Announces Video-ON-Demand" section and click on the "Click Here To Watch ERCN TV-12" box. From there select "ER Historical Shows" on the right and then select "A Day At The Car Shops 1951". Be sure to expand the film to full screen for best viewing.
Sorry for the lengthy directions....could not figure out how to post a direct link.
Jerry Breon
Mooresville, NC.

PS: My father, Bruce Breon worked as a mechanical engineer at Despatch Shops approximately 1955-1964 before taking the position of President of Keystone Railway Equipment Company in Chicago then Camp Hill, PA.


Re: Creating Poling Pockets

Bill Welch
 

Correct, I am modeling in HO. I am not sure what scale the parts are. Given the different sizes, they may be multi scale parts.

Bill Welch


The history of K Brakes under Tank Cars

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

I had this question sent to me, because the information is from SP tank cars, but I don't know enough about the history of air brakes to know an answer. I have reviewed the photos cited, from my Vol. 5 of the SP Freight Cars series (on tank cars), and I believe the observations are correct. I just don't know answers to the questions at the end of the message. I suspect it was the K brake manufacturers that made the change, and SP simply went along with it. Anybody know more?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


On page 288 of Volume 5, the K Brake under SP 48216 looks as though the brake cylinder clevis is directly connected to the floating lever that connects via rods to the brakes. Also, there is only one set of guides supporting that lever. Under the end sill of the car there is a chain connecting the brake handwheel staff to the rod. Since this is a manufacturers photo from about 1917, this is the probably original equipment.

The Supply Car SP 1317 on page 291 also shows a K Brake, but the arrangement is different this photo is probably from 1925, and it looks as though this is an upgrade. I believe an additional floating lever has now been installed closer to the B end. This new lever is supported by an additional guide and a new floating lever bracket, and it connects via a rod to the brake handwheel staff. Most importantly, there is now another piece of chain between the two levers. All this additional hardware is very visible on tank cars.

On page 299, the brand-new SP 47880 appears to have this revised K Brake assembly direct from the manufacturer, and all subsequent tank cars appear to have this arrangement until the advent of the AB brakes.

Therefore, Id say SP upgraded the K Brake systems at some point with additional hardware - have I arrived at this conclusion correctly? If so, would you know the approximate timing of this upgrade, and if it was applied as a system-wide change to SP tank cars?


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Re: Creating Poling Pockets

s shaffer
 

Subject: [STMFC] Creating Poling Pockets

I imagine you are talking about HO scale poling pockets. And you are talking about Grandt Line O scale lift rings?

Steve Shaffer