Can someone point me to a source for HO replacement underdoor refrigerator
car step that look like this sketch? It would be a real bonus if they were
metal rather than plastic.

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Thanks very much.

Gary


Gary Green
NorCalFree-mo
http://www.norcalfreemo.org/
http://www.garymgreen.com/handbook_introduction.html

The HO scale wine tank car discussed earlier on this site and offered by
the NMRA's Extra 2011 West Convention is still available for
purchase on-line. You do not have to be an NMRA member to purchase the
car.

The car represents a typical wine car, of insulated design and part of
the lease fleet of California Dispatch Line, for many years a major
supplier of wine tank cars to California vintners. The model is the AC&F
Type 21car originally marketed by Proto2000 and now part of the Walthers
line. It has a silver upper body and black lower body and underframe.

A set of decals with the convention logo are included. The decals also
include additional car numbers for those who wish to purchase multiple
cars.

Here is a link to the car and on-line purchase forms:

http://www.x2011west.org/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=11&\;
products_id=133&zenid=191b5c30a13ab66761cbaeca4156758f
<http://www.x2011west.org/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=11\;
&products_id=133&zenid=191b5c30a13ab66761cbaeca4156758f>

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

For those interested, the Model Railroad Supply decals can be found at
www.greatdecals.com .



Bill Darnaby

--- In STMFC@..., "traininsp" <Bbear746@...> wrote:

The AAR calls them "crossover boards".

Jeff Coleman

--- In STMFC@..., w m <bulletmims@> wrote:

The FRA calls them "end platform". This is assuming that you are refering to the platform just above the coupler or striking casting at each end of  a car.

Careful. This is something that simply didn't exist in 1960 or before. Neither, for that matter, did the FRA.

Dennis

--- In STMFC@..., Clark Propst wrote: I've been asked to do...Well, to have Chad do, a Superior replacement door for B&O M-26 cars. These same doors were put on some CGW X-29 style cars that were sold and leased back with different numbers. I have some info on the CGW cars, but know nothing about the B&O cars. Maybe other roads used these doors too? [snip]

Clark,
I highly recommend RP Cyc 18, "ARA 1923-1929 40' Box Cars" as an excellent, readily available reference on 1923 ARA all-steel boxcars. The third section on "B&O M-26 All-Steel Box Cars" has a good discussion of the M-26s and all subclasses, with photos of cars in all subclasses, including several with Superior replacement doors. Some M-26s received the 5-panel Superior door with short top panel that Chad has done; others got a 6-panel Superior door with slightly taller bottom panel.
The following section on "Additional 1923 A.R.A. All-Steel Cars" included a photo of CNJ 21240 with a 6-panel Superior door, but no others with that uneven 5-panel door. While RP Cyc 18 includes six photos of CGW boxcars, all had original 3-panel "reverse carbuilders" doors; none showed the replacement 5-panel Superior doors that you noted were used on CGW lease-back boxcars. Any possibility you could share the info and any photos you have on those CGW boxcars with replacement 5-panel Superior doors (date of lease, new(?) number series, etc.)? Perhaps more of us might purchase additional doors if we had info on other prototypes that used them ... I certainly would.
Hope this helps, Dave Sieber, Reno NV

I forgot about this one. These were initially in specialized service, plate
glass IIRC, but migrated to the general pool. Des Plaines Hobbies once
offered a good version of this car.

Bill Darnaby

The AAR calls them "crossover boards".

Jeff Coleman

The FRA calls them "end platform". This is assuming that you are refering to the platform just above the coupler or striking casting at each end of  a car. These were applied to new cars beginning in 1966 as running boards were being removed.
 
By-the-way freight cars do not have "stirup steps" but they do have a "sill step" on each corner.
 
Ed Mims
Jacksonville, FL


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To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 2:34 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Proper nomenclature



 

Given that we're all trying to stop calling them roof walks and call them properly has running boards, what is the correct term for the "end walks"?
Pierre Oliver

Group,

Can anybody point me in the correct direction for photo or tech data on MOW crane information, i.e. 200T 260T Industrial mfr cranes?

Thanks in advance!

Tom Casey






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Thanks,
Richard.
Pierre Oliver

On Mar 2, 2012, at 11:34 AM, Pierre wrote:

Given that we're all trying to stop calling them roof walks and
call them properly has running boards, what is the correct term for
the "end walks"?
Pierre Oliver

Lateral running boards.

Richard Hendrickson

Given that we're all trying to stop calling them roof walks and call them properly has running boards, what is the correct term for the "end walks"?
Pierre Oliver

I’ve been asked to do...Well to have Chad do, a Superior replacement door for B&O M-26 cars. These same doors were put on some CGW X-29 style cars that were sold and leased back with different numbers. I have some info on the CGW cars, but know nothing about the B&O cars. Maybe other roads used these doors too?

There are two photos of Chad’s master in the photo section in a folder named B&O door, if I remember correctly.

If you have info on these door please share it with the group. If you’re a member of the B&O group please forward this message to them.
For info on the model doors please contact me off list at: cepropst@q.com
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

Well put, Tony. The ARA/AAR had no binding legal authority; however, the FRA after assuming the railroad safety roll of the ICC in the 1970s (I think) adopted many of the AAR rules and they then became legally binding regulations (both the ICC and the FRA equipment regulations were intended to inhance safety).  BUT the FRA came along well after the period covered by this group.
 
Ed Mims
Jacksonville, FL

----- Forwarded Message -----
From: Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
To: 
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 11:39 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: REQUEST FOR INFO.



 

Derrell Poole wrote:

Prior to WW I and the Fed. take over of the RRs in the US these 
types of rules were administered by the ICC based on laws passed by
Congress (United States Safety Appliances Acts). I know a bit about
this prior to the twenties but my question arises after the advent
of the ARA; was the administering of these USSA laws passed to the
ARA? Did they become the bureaucracy that passed laws for such
appliances and when did the ICC cease to be the spearhead of
governing railroads as they did prior to 1917?

Derrell, I think there is a misconception here. The USRA just
administered the individual railroads. The Interstate Commerce Act was
not suspended or terminated, and the ICC continued to regulate
railroads, for example, safety appliances. Neither the ARA nor the AAR
had the statutory authority held by the ICC. The ICC was superseded by
the FRA long after the period covered by this list.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history

I wrote:
"Yes, MON 1201-1225.  I'm not sure of the dates and will have to do some more
digging after I get home from the office.  Photo is from the pay side of the RPI

website:
http://railroad.union.rpi.edu/images/2/27/Rolling-stock_box-cars_1937-aar_xm-37-aar-monon-gray-rail-data.jpg


One correction - the reporting marks are CIL 1201-1225, not MON 120-1225, which
puts this scheme before 1956.


Ben Hom

I surely don't know. I would refer your question to Bill Darnaby and others who make a specialty of the Monon.

I am a non-Monon guy who was just trying to find an appropriate car for an old set of decals, but has gotten quite an education in the process.

My thanks to all!

Michael

Michael Gross
La Cañada, CA 91011-3542


On Mar 2, 2012, at 9:51 AM, timboconnor@... wrote:

I have a Red Caboose model of a Monon 1937 box car painted entirely in light grey -- was
this a real paint scheme?

Tim O'Connor

----- Original Message -----
From: "William Darnaby" <wdarnaby@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 12:49:14 PM
Subject: [STMFC] 1937 10" IH Monon box (was 1944 AAR 10'-6" IH Box Car for Monon)

Michael,

I don't know which Champ set that you are referring to but be careful how
you letter this car. They were delivered in the Reliable Service ball
herald. Beginning in 1952 when repainting was due they started getting The
Hoosier Line across the top of the car in the light gray (it only weathered
to white!) band still with the CIL reporting marks. The MON marks started
in 1956. After the period of interest of this group the band disappeared.

Bill Darnaby

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Tim O'Connor asked:
"I have a Red Caboose model of a Monon 1937 box car painted entirely in light
grey -- was this a real paint scheme?"

Yes, MON 1201-1225.  I'm not sure of the dates and will have to do some more
digging after I get home from the office.  Photo is from the pay side of the RPI
website:
http://railroad.union.rpi.edu/images/2/27/Rolling-stock_box-cars_1937-aar_xm-37-aar-monon-gray-rail-data.jpg



Ben Hom

Michael Gross
4431 Woodleigh Lane
La Cañada, CA 91011-3542
Home: (818) 790-2613
Cell: (818) 370-3087
IMDb: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0343447/

On Mar 2, 2012, at 7:34 AM, Mike Brock wrote:

Mark Rossiter writes:

"At the end of the day, this all boils down to building more accurate
models of freight cars, right? We are talking about model freight cars,
not world hunger or global warming."

Well...the group's objectives include and even emphasize the accurate
building of model frt cars. However, the objectives include much more. From
the STMFC rules:

"The objectives
include the sharing of
information about North American, standard gauge railroad freight cars in
the period 1900-1960 inclusive
including their operation,
distribution and the various techniques of building
models of them."

Not sure where global warming or world hunger comes from.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner

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I have a Red Caboose model of a Monon 1937 box car painted entirely in light grey -- was
this a real paint scheme?

Tim O'Connor

Michael,

I don't know which Champ set that you are referring to but be careful how
you letter this car. They were delivered in the Reliable Service ball
herald. Beginning in 1952 when repainting was due they started getting The
Hoosier Line across the top of the car in the light gray (it only weathered
to white!) band still with the CIL reporting marks. The MON marks started
in 1956. After the period of interest of this group the band disappeared.

Bill Darnaby