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Re: DLW - MDT reefers

Ed Hawkins
 



On Apr 3, 2022, at 5:14 PM, MDelvec952 via groups.io <MDelvec952@...> wrote:

Ed, do you recall which lettering style on the Bob's Photo print?

Mike,
Lettering is the serif-style that’s the old style per the list. The build date is difficult to read but I believe it’s 11-53. No information is written on the back other than Bob’s code FMDT8.
Ed Hawkins
Re: Bachmann Drop-End Gons

Andy Miller
 

If you read their ad, I don’t know of any RR with gons whose ends opened OUT to be used as loading ramps!   The ends on the gon in their photo seem to be like all other drop end gons and open in.   So the mistake is not in their model, but in their advertising copy.   Bachmann is getting better 😉

 

 

Andy Miller

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Thompson via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, April 3, 2022 2:55 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Bachmann Drop-End Gons

 

I'm passing along this question that was sent to the CAJON group.

 

Thanks for any help,

John Thompson

 

 

 

DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THE ATSF, UP, AND PRR ACCURATELY REPRESENT

THESE RAILROADS?

 

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From: Bachmann Trains <contactus@...>

Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2022, 04:16:19 PM GMT+2

Subject: Drop-end Gorgeous! New HO Scale Freight Cars Now in Stock...

 

 

 

 

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ATSF #169627

Item No. 74801

 

 

 

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Item No. 74802

 

 

 

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Item No. 74803

 

 

 

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  • premium Silver Series® rolling stock
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  • posable drop-end gates
  • precision graphics
  • blackened-metal wheels with RP25 contours
  • body-mounted, magnetically operated E-Z Mate® Mark II couplers
  • non-magnetic blackened brass axles with needlepoint bearings
  • Celcon® trucks
  • added weight for optimum tracking performance
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Re: Bachmann Drop-End Gons

Allan Smith <smithal9@...>
 

The car number on the model for ATSF is 169627. That series is from the war emergency gondolas Ga-61 169500-169699. The Ga-31 designation series is from ex KCMO cars absorbed in the ATSF in 1929 and were wood truss rod cars.. The ATSF didn't own any 50' mill gondolas .per Open Top Cars and Listing of Freight Cars by Class.

Al Smith
Sonora CA

On Sunday, April 3, 2022, 04:05:32 PM PDT, spsalso via groups.io <edwardsutorik@...> wrote:


A bit of research reveals that a guy named Mike Schleigh did a bit of a write-up on this model in message 124011 on 4/24/14.

Makes a good read!

These look like pretty good models.




Ed

Edward Sutorik

Re: Bachmann Drop-End Gons

Tim O'Connor
 


I didn't notice because Mike's 2014 message is saved in Eudora and I was forced out of using Eudora by
Comcast a year or so ago... We do seem to revisit things after everyone has had time to forget them... :-D

Did any of them last in B&O marks into the 60's?

Tim

On 4/3/2022 7:05 PM, spsalso via groups.io wrote:

A bit of research reveals that a guy named Mike Schleigh did a bit of a write-up on this model in message 124011 on 4/24/14.

Makes a good read!

These look like pretty good models.

Edward Sutorik

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Re: Bachmann Drop-End Gons

spsalso
 

A bit of research reveals that a guy named Mike Schleigh did a bit of a write-up on this model in message 124011 on 4/24/14.

Makes a good read!

These look like pretty good models.




Ed

Edward Sutorik
Re: DLW - MDT reefe

ROGER HINMAN
 

Add Mdt 12089 in old lettering scheme at weehawken undated photo 
Add mdt 12072 in newer scheme, 57 reweigh from jay williams
Add 12191 , in old lettering aug 75 Eli’s photo in one of the morning sun books
Add 12170 in new scheme reweigh 1963
There was also a 3/4 view on eBay a while back that had last three digits visible but two were covered by the sellers watermark, new scheme, I’m guessing it was 12110 

Roger hinman


On Apr 3, 2022, at 6:15 PM, MDelvec952 via groups.io <MDelvec952@...> wrote:





Photos are rare of the Lackawanna MDT reefers because there were only 20 of them, in non-consecutive numbers in the 12000-series.  I've never found a DL&W accounting giving all of the numbers.

From photographs I've identified the following, plus Ed's addition:


12068 – Bob’s photo
12070 – Old Lettering, later 1950s photo Black Rock Branch near Buffalo
12128 – Art Deco lettering, 1969 ebay grab
12154 – Art Deco lettering, Alvin Smith 1960 photo
12166 – Art Deco lettering, unmarked derailment photo, wrecked
12177 – Old lettering, unmarked photo
12178 – Old lettering, Joe Colias photo 1954
12183 – Old lettering, 11-11-1961 Dallas

Ed, do you recall which lettering style on the Bob's Photo print?

If anyone has any others, would appreciate the number, letteing style and date if possible.

Many thanks

Mike Del Vecchio



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1a. 
Re: DL&W - MDT refrigerator
From: Rich C
Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2022 13:08:12 CDT
Good find, Tim. Definitely a DSI build. Stan Rydarowicz parts and Microscale 87-890 decals and there you go. I managed to find some of Stan's parts recently, already have the decals and an Intermountain donor body.

Rich Christie

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Re: DL&W - MDT refrigerator
From: Ed Hawkins
Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2022 15:08:07 CDT


On Apr 3, 2022, at 12:50 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

This just arrived today and I thought I'd re-share since photos of DL&W refrigerator cars seem to be fairly scarce. :-)

Tim,
Thanks Tim. Two additional photos of MDT reefers leased to Lackawanna include Bob’s Photo with a 3/4BL view of MDT 12068 & Joe Collias left-side view of MDT 12178 with new 12-53 stencils photographed in 1954. 
Regards,
Ed Hawkins
Re: Baby Ruth reefer (was tank car identity)

Chris Barkan
 

Here is an interesting Baby Ruth reefer photo I stumbled on recently.  I have no further info about and cannot make out the full NADX car number.  The fresh Baby Ruth artwork appear to have been added over an older, considerably weathered paint job on the car.  I'll bet that the stripes on the two womens' dresses match the Baby Ruth red & white scheme :-D
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/366269382202014214/
--
Chris Barkan
Champaign, IL

NADX Baby Ruth billboard reefer.jpg

Baby Ruth Candy Wrapper 1930s_.jpg

Re: Bachmann Drop-End Gons

Tim O'Connor
 


https://shop.bachmanntrains.com/images/HO_Scale/74802.jpg

My first reaction was "50 foot 6 inch" ?? With drop ends ? That has to be pretty unusual!
BUT, it turns out that the B&O O-41 gondolas built in the early 1930's had drop ends, 12
ribs, and were 50'6" inside length.

AND a few were sold to the Wellsville, Addison & Galeton !!

The end doors may need to be swapped out to model the B&O/WAG cars.

Tim O'Connor


On 4/3/2022 3:44 PM, spsalso via groups.io wrote:

The PRR one doesn't match the G31A it claims to be.
The Santa Fe isn't turning up in Hendrickson's gondola book.
Can't be sure about the UP, but I do doubt it.
I am curious what it IS.  What's nice about it is that it's easy to remove the grabs.
Edward Sutorik

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

wag_3202 50ft_gondola (50-6 IL) drop-door-end 12-ribs exB&O_ O-41 (built 1931=1935) 1962.jpg

DLW - MDT reefers

MDelvec952
 




Photos are rare of the Lackawanna MDT reefers because there were only 20 of them, in non-consecutive numbers in the 12000-series.  I've never found a DL&W accounting giving all of the numbers.

From photographs I've identified the following, plus Ed's addition:


12068 – Bob’s photo
12070 – Old Lettering, later 1950s photo Black Rock Branch near Buffalo
12128 – Art Deco lettering, 1969 ebay grab
12154 – Art Deco lettering, Alvin Smith 1960 photo
12166 – Art Deco lettering, unmarked derailment photo, wrecked
12177 – Old lettering, unmarked photo
12178 – Old lettering, Joe Colias photo 1954
12183 – Old lettering, 11-11-1961 Dallas

Ed, do you recall which lettering style on the Bob's Photo print?

If anyone has any others, would appreciate the number, letteing style and date if possible.

Many thanks

Mike Del Vecchio



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1a. 
Re: DL&W - MDT refrigerator
From: Rich C
Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2022 13:08:12 CDT
Good find, Tim. Definitely a DSI build. Stan Rydarowicz parts and Microscale 87-890 decals and there you go. I managed to find some of Stan's parts recently, already have the decals and an Intermountain donor body.

Rich Christie

1b. 
Re: DL&W - MDT refrigerator
From: Ed Hawkins
Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2022 15:08:07 CDT


On Apr 3, 2022, at 12:50 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

This just arrived today and I thought I'd re-share since photos of DL&W refrigerator cars seem to be fairly scarce. :-)

Tim,
Thanks Tim. Two additional photos of MDT reefers leased to Lackawanna include Bob’s Photo with a 3/4BL view of MDT 12068 & Joe Collias left-side view of MDT 12178 with new 12-53 stencils photographed in 1954. 
Regards,
Ed Hawkins
Re: GBW Aluminum Traffic (was Manifest of Lading)

David Allen <dallen@...>
 

The folks of Columbia Falls, MT would be "shocked" to know they have been moved. A large smelter, owned by Anaconda, went online in 1955.  It was served by the GN. It shut down in 1985.

Dave Allen
What Are You Working On?

gary laakso
 

Here is a March 31 YouTube featuring Clark Propst, Dough Harding and Ken Hough:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNhhdmvOJFw 

 

By the time that you have completed viewing this, Clark will have completed another model and weathered it!

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 
Re: FORGOTTEN TREASURES

lrkdbn
 

Yes, there were mistakes and omissions in MLM, but overall it was an extraordinarily good magazine. I think anyone who has seriously pursued this hobby of railroad history is well aware of how easily we can make errors no matter how hard we try for accuracy. I was really sorry to see it go.
Larry King
Re: Speaking of stockcars…sharing a trick

Tony Thompson
 

Doug Harding  wrote:

Here is a standard chart showing how many animals fit into a stockcar.

Great chart, Doug, thanks a bunch. Now I can write more accurate waybills.

Tony Thompson
Re: DL&W - MDT refrigerator

Ed Hawkins
 



On Apr 3, 2022, at 12:50 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

This just arrived today and I thought I'd re-share since photos of DL&W refrigerator cars seem to be fairly scarce. :-)

Tim,
Thanks Tim. Two additional photos of MDT reefers leased to Lackawanna include Bob’s Photo with a 3/4BL view of MDT 12068 & Joe Collias left-side view of MDT 12178 with new 12-53 stencils photographed in 1954. 
Regards,
Ed Hawkins
Re: Bachmann Drop-End Gons

Schleigh Mike
 

Hello Group!

The Bachman model has never been offered with the only prototypes it represents.  Try ERIE 14500, PM 18400 and WAG 3200 (all first in their series).  The trucks are not 70 ton but it is a good job if you can handle the cast on details and paucity of any inside.

Mike Schleigh at Grove City, Penna. where trout season has opened.

On Sunday, April 3, 2022, 03:44:49 PM EDT, spsalso via groups.io <edwardsutorik@...> wrote:


The PRR one doesn't match the G31A it claims to be.

The Santa Fe isn't turning up in Hendrickson's gondola book.

Can't be sure about the UP, but I do doubt it.


I am curious what it IS.  What's nice about it is that it's easy to remove the grabs.



Ed

Edward Sutorik

Re: ATSF boxcar with grain doors

Bud Rindfleisch
 

Thanks Charlie. 
    Bud Rindfleisch
Re: Chateau Martin wine color

Bud Rindfleisch
 

Tony,
     Awesome, thanks much. I do have a hobby shop nearby (still,yes!) that stocks Vallejo, I'll be on the lookout for the magenta. Again, much appreciated!
    Bud Rindfleisch
Re: Speaking of stockcars…sharing a trick

Jared Harper
 

On the Santa Fe the number of cattle  in a car was governed by the season of the year.  More cattle could be accomodated per car if the cattle were headed to the Kansas Flint Hills for fattening  than when they were fat and headed to market.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA
Re: Bachmann Drop-End Gons

spsalso
 

The PRR one doesn't match the G31A it claims to be.

The Santa Fe isn't turning up in Hendrickson's gondola book.

Can't be sure about the UP, but I do doubt it.


I am curious what it IS.  What's nice about it is that it's easy to remove the grabs.



Ed

Edward Sutorik
Re: Speaking of stockcars…sharing a trick

Douglas Harding
 

Here is a standard chart showing how many animals fit into a stockcar.

 

Doug Harding

https://www.facebook.com/douglas.harding.3156/

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK8X8Yb8NEAZqbZjHT5z0sA

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Philip Dove
Sent: Sunday, April 3, 2022 9:21 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Speaking of stockcars…sharing a trick

 

I once bought hundreds of pigs to put in my double deck stockcars, and realised that hard plastic pigs don't squeeze together like real flesh and blood creatures. They also added significantly to the weight. I then found lots of pictures taken at ground level of stock cropped the background cut and pasted them till l had an appropriate length herd fixed the on a transparent backing with a mirror image herd the other side and put this in the car. You can see something blocks the view but only with a flashlight and by taking the car off the track can you see they are pigs. I also trap a few wisps of fine straw coloured filament around the lower edge of the door.

I know you got 34 sheep into a British cattle car with an exterior length of 18' over the body. But how many cattle fitted in a North American stockcars of a given length. Does anyone know if they made much noise once they were settled in and travelling?Anyone experimented with a scent diffuser in the cars? 

 

On Sun, 3 Apr 2022, 01:31 Steve SANDIFER, <steve.sandifer@...> wrote:

I run mine empty. Richard Hendrickson used to put something inside as a view block. I forget exactly what, something like painted packing peanuts, to give an irregular shape if you happened to get them where you could see through the slats. Putting individual figures inside would be extremely expensive. 25 cows would not break you, but 300 sheep would!

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charlie Duckworth
Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2022 11:41 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Speaking of stockcars…sharing a trick

 

Staying (somewhat) on topic; while digging through my box of extra freight car parts (I’ve saved the last 40 years) I came across four sets of Walters steers.  Do you run your stockcars with loads of livestock or empty or a mix?  
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.

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