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Re: GBW Aluminum Traffic (was Manifest of Lading)

Dave Nelson
 

Sorry, I missed this thread in Feb.

 

In the late steam era almost all Aluminum smelting occurred in Washington State.  This is because such smelting requires large amounts of electricity and due to the Columbia River dams that became the center of such work.  Taking a guess here I’ll speculate that most rail shipments of Aluminum ingots would have originated here and moved across the country to various processing plants.  I know of one such plant, an oddity: At the Kaiser Permanente Cement plant in Santa Clara County (a.k.a Silicon valley) Mr. Kaiser installed a Nazi aluminum rolling plant seized by the Allies at the end of WWII.  They rolled Kaiser Aluminum Foil there for a number of years, probably past the end of our list scope.  AFAIK it was the only such plant owned by Kaiser and that product was likely shipped nationwide.

 

Dave Nelson

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Julian Erceg via groups.io
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2022 1:46 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] GBW Aluminum Traffic (was Manifest of Lading)

 

Hello all,

First of all, thank you Andy for posting the GBW conductor's book.  Much appreciated!

As I browsed the book, I stumbled upon a page that had aluminum pigs coming from Wisconsin Rapids, probably from the Pacific Northwest and interchanged at Winona which made sense to me.  But on the same page I noticed that there was "alum" traffic that was picked up at Amherst Jct. which wasn't as obvious to me.  Normally I'd assume that "alum" was an abbreviation for "aluminum" but the different pickup location got me questioning that assumption.

"Alum" could also maybe mean aluminum sulfate which is used in paper making. There is certainly paper making industry in central Wisconsin, and a little google searching suggested that some consumers did manufacture their own, so for a bit I considered maybe this was locally originated aluminum sulfate traffic.  But based on car types involved (i.e. gondolas), "aluminum" being spelled out explicitly in some cases, and the other traffic that was also picked up with it, I think it is indeed western originated aluminum traffic.

Anyway, I assume this is traffic moving on a GN / NP to SOO at the Twin Cities to the GBW at Amherst Jct. routing?  Interesting the GBW managed to get included in the routing instead of a direct SOO - AA at Manitowoc route.  Besides the aluminum, there were a few other interesting shipments such as salmon and batteries, although much of the remaining traffic was of a type that also could've originated on the SOO.  Also interesting is the lack of westbound traffic set out at Amherst Jct.  The cars used weren't using the same route going west, that is pretty clear.  (Or at least not via Train 1 that Conductor Hansen worked.  I don't know if there was another westbound operating at this time.)

Making this relevant to the list, I'm wondering if the cars used were assigned to a pool for this traffic as it seems to be a regular move.  They could've also been random empties that carried steel and pipe west.  Most of the cars were empty eastern road gons, with automobile cars making up the rest.  I made a list of all of the aluminum traffic from the book.  The majority moved through Amherst Jct. and what was received at Winona (I assume) has different car types and a different "feel" to the reporting marks.  All of the Amherst Jct. cars were bound for the Ann Arbor whereas some of the Wisconsin Rapids (Winona) cars were bound for the Pere Marquette.  I'll attach the list below.

Separately, now I'm curious, was aluminum sulfate a significant rail commodity? 

Thanks,
Julian Erceg


Re: Speaking of stockcars.sharing a trick

Dave Nelson
 

Years ago, before I developed sensitivity to resin dust, I worked at a batch of 6-8 Westerfield stockcars at a single go – prep this part X 5-7more  times, prep that part, etc. etc.,  I found the work went notably faster.  The reason was how much time I would spend reading the instructions, finding the part, doing the part, checking it.  That was a substantial part of the whole time spent.  Doing 6-8 cards didn’t avoid that process… it was necessary for the first part of its type but it was omitted from the successive 5-7 remaining parts.  Those went very fast.

 

Basic TQC stuff… every setup change  is lost time (and yes, I sort all the dirty dishes etc., before washing them by hand).

 

Dave Nelson

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of WILLIAM PARDIE
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2022 10:47 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Speaking of stockcars…sharing a trick

 

 

 

Here are two Westerfield cars flanking a Red Caboose car. The Wesdterfield kits made up into some real nice models.  Beveling the sides and ends to produce a knife sharp edge proved to be a nightmare for me.  I ruined two kits before throwing in the towel and getting someone else to build the cars for me.

 

Bill Pardie


Re: QARE: [RealSTMFC] Speaking of stockcars…sharing a trick

Brian Carlson
 

Thankfully branchline retooled them. I do not have any idea what that cost them though.

Brian J. Carlson 

On Apr 2, 2022, at 9:31 AM, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:

Another reason why Hundman drawings should be verified before moving forward with a build.  And for those who still find this hard to believe, six words:

Branchline
Forty-One
Foot
Inside
Length
Boxcars


Ben Hom
_._,_

--
Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: FORGOTTEN TREASURES

Dave Nelson
 

MM had its own kind of flaws… none of the drawings were dimensioned.  Anybody working in gauges not HO were just SOL. Bob assumed people would lay styrene right on the page.  He never allowed casting masters to be made from his own, rather fine looking models.  That could have been another source of revenue.

 

Dave Nelson

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Scott H. Haycock
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2022 12:18 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] FORGOTTEN TREASURES

 

Hi Bill,

 

MM was the magazine that first sparked my interest in prototype equipment modeling, and the overall idea of modeling from the prototype, as much as possible.

 

Do you know what happened to the end of the Southern Deck Truss project?

 

Scott Haycock


Re: FORGOTTEN TREASURES

Dave Nelson
 

Thanks!

 

That means I have all of them.

 

Dave Nelson

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Scott H. Haycock
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2022 9:55 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] FORGOTTEN TREASURES

 

Hi Dave,

 

There was no May '90 Issue.

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantment

On 03/30/2022 10:45 PM Dave Nelson <western.pacific.203@...> wrote:

 

 

Bill, was there an issue for May, 1990?  It’s the only issue I don’t have and I’ve often wondered whether there really was a May ’90 issue.

 

Dave Nelson

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of WILLIAM PARDIE
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2022 7:33 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] FORGOTTEN TREASURES

 

 

IMHO there was never before or after a publication of the quality and depth of subject as Bob Hundman's Mainline Modeler in our hobby. The articles, drawings, how to's and prototype information is unmatched.  The twenty plus years of this magazines  run gave us more information than we can ever absorbance apply.

 

Why, you ask, am I bringing this up?  I subscribed to this publication from the first to the last issue.  Many items were skipped over and forgotten during this time as they were not pertinent back then.  This morning I had to find an article for a current project that I an working on.  Each issue of this magazine featured a listing of the artucles in each issue from day one.  Not five minutes into this venture I had to get a note pad to record forgotten items that I now need.  After twenty minutes when I found the article I has listed twenty five articles to retrieve.

 

I know that many of you have this magazine digitized.  I encourage you to look at this periodically and you will find the answers to many questions appearing on this list.

 

I have to spend less time with Judge Judy and more with this endeavor.

 

Bill Pardie

 

 

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 

 


Re: ATSF boxcar with grain doors

Charlie Duckworth
 

Bud
The car is in the Intermountain factory paint and lettering; I just gave it a light coat of Dullcote with a couple drops of tan. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: ATSF boxcar with grain doors

Bud Rindfleisch
 

Charlie,
     Mind if I ask what paint you used on this AT&SF boxcar? Seems a little browner than just oxide red.
      Bud Rindfleisch


Chateau Martin wine color

Bud Rindfleisch
 

Gents,
    Does anyone have a favorite model manufacturer paint that they've used for a Chateau Martin wine car? I realize there are several hues of these cars as noted throughout their careers and various fading and weathering and well documented on the CM website. 
    I recall seeing these cars one rare occasions in NYC eastbound coming into Buffalo, NY, back in the late 60's early 70's at best, and they looked more of purplish hue then. I also have a Bob's photo of car # CMWX 123 and it has more of a red hue to it. Photo was taken 9-53.
    A friend gave me two jars of latex house paint that he had mixed to match the purple color as he also recalled seeing them. This paint is not airbrush friendly though, so if I can find a  suitable model paint I'd go for it, purplish or redish either or.
     Bud Rindfleisch


PM printed underframe

Joseph
 

_._,_._,_
I received the printed underframes, decals and a body for Clark from FedEx and Eric today.  Looks pretty good.  I will build at least one as is, then at least one with wire grabs. He also sent decals, truck and couplers. I am not sure if he will be offering them for sale, but he is on the process of moving south from Minnesota.  Smart guy!
Joe Binish


Re: Speaking of stockcars…sharing a trick

WILLIAM PARDIE
 



Here are two Westerfield cars flanking a Red Caboose car. The Wesdterfield kits made up into some real nice models.  Beveling the sides and ends to produce a knife sharp edge proved to be a nightmare for me.  I ruined two kits before throwing in the towel and getting someone else to build the cars for me.

Bill Pardie


Re: Speaking of stockcars…sharing a trick

Nelson Moyer
 

I forgot to mention bull boards. I painted the bull boards that came in the Sunshine kits, and I plan to install them on about half of my CB&Q cars. If the car has bull boards in the brackets, it’s empty. If I has no bull boards in the brackets, it’s loaded.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charlie Duckworth
Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2022 11:41 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Speaking of stockcars…sharing a trick

 

Staying (somewhat) on topic; while digging through my box of extra freight car parts (I’ve saved the last 40 years) I came across four sets of Walters steers.  Do you run your stockcars with loads of livestock or empty or a mix?  
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Speaking of stockcars…sharing a trick

Nelson Moyer
 

Sunshine sold resin profile stock car loads, and I bought a couple of packs. After looking them, I decided not to install them because 50% of the time, they would be inappropriate, either way. I considered putting them on only one side of a car, so whether it was loaded on not depended upon side of the car faced the aisle. That would work if your track plan never reversed the car sides, but mine does. Livestock loads aren’t particular visible, and if you have a livestock load, you can’t waybill the car for any other load, e.g. pig iron, watermelons, ties, lumber, etc. during off season. Anybody want to buy some Sunshine profile livestock loads?

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charlie Duckworth
Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2022 11:41 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Speaking of stockcars…sharing a trick

 

Staying (somewhat) on topic; while digging through my box of extra freight car parts (I’ve saved the last 40 years) I came across four sets of Walters steers.  Do you run your stockcars with loads of livestock or empty or a mix?  
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Speaking of stockcars…sharing a trick

Dennis Storzek <dennis@...>
 

A friend used white styrofoam packing peanuts on the upper and lower decks of an On3 stockcar to simulate tightly bunched sheep. It worker surprisingly well.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Speaking of stockcars…sharing a trick

Charlie Duckworth
 

These are plastic. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Speaking of stockcars…sharing a trick

 

Anything other than plastic would weigh a lot. All you really need are some cow shapes cut from card stock to keep from looking thru. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Apr 2, 2022, at 11:40 AM, Charlie Duckworth <omahaduck@...> wrote:

Staying (somewhat) on topic; while digging through my box of extra freight car parts (I’ve saved the last 40 years) I came across four sets of Walters steers.  Do you run your stockcars with loads of livestock or empty or a mix?  
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Speaking of stockcars…sharing a trick

Charlie Duckworth
 

Staying (somewhat) on topic; while digging through my box of extra freight car parts (I’ve saved the last 40 years) I came across four sets of Walters steers.  Do you run your stockcars with loads of livestock or empty or a mix?  
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Speaking of stockcars…sharing a trick

Nelson Moyer
 

The Speedwitch GN stock car kit has a recess on the edges of the ends. The ends of the side slats fit into the recess, which not only provides more surface area for gluing, but solves the slat alignment problem and insures that the slats were recessed slightly at the edges of the ends. Very cleaver solution to boxing flat kits, especially stock cars.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of radiodial868
Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2022 10:38 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Speaking of stockcars…sharing a trick

 

Ah, I see.  The Westerfield 36' WP Stockcars dealt with the board ends by having you sand the corners at a 45 before joining to get the look. Not all the easy to do.
--
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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA

 


Re: Speaking of stockcars…sharing a trick

radiodial868
 

Ah, I see.  The Westerfield 36' WP Stockcars dealt with the board ends by having you sand the corners at a 45 before joining to get the look. Not all the easy to do.
--
-------------------
RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: New York Central well-hole car

John E. Henning
 

The HO & "O" Scale C&O Quality Craft kits also mentions to paint the car a boxcar red.  That is wrong. The cars were black.  I picked up one already built many years ago and the builder followed the instructions.  Once more information became available from the C&O Histerical Society, we confirmed they were black.

Speaking of the ROCO flat car with Buckeye trucks, I have two cars for sale if anyone is interested.

John Henning


Re: QARE: [RealSTMFC] Speaking of stockcars…sharing a trick

Benjamin Hom
 

Nelson Moyer wrote:
"I included the SM-18 underframe photo because the Challenger brass import and the Sunshine kit instructions are both incorrect about placement of the AB brake components, probably because both relied upon the Hundman drawing."

Another reason why Hundman drawings should be verified before moving forward with a build.  And for those who still find this hard to believe, six words:

Branchline
Forty-One
Foot
Inside
Length
Boxcars


Ben Hom