All,

In my attempt to model prototypically accurate freight cars of the Apache Railway, I am seeking this group’s expertise.

I would like to know what kind of tank car this is:

https://flic.kr/p/aT9kKM

From what I can gather it is an 8,000 Gallon (I know it’s marked 8,100 gallons) GATX Type 30 tank car. 

I believe Resin Car Works had an HO-Scale model of this or a similar car:

http://resincarworks.com/extras/extras_kitSE1-01_gatxType30tanks.htm

Can anybody confirm if I am accurate on the prototype and model? Or am I way off?

Thank you.

Matt Martin

Anybody know who makes the ladders in the photo?

Think they came out of a Speedwitch kit but not sure.

Thanks,
Scott McDonald 

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• 20220102_184616.jpg

Jeff, Group;

 

I decided to spend enough time with mine to know what I was talking about, so here goes:

 

The cars most accurately (and do they!), represent the final and largest group of F30A built 1934-ish, with the wider B end frame extension outside the bolster, and the stake pocket lips.  They are pretty much spot on for those cars.  Mine are numbered accurately.

 

They are also pretty accurate for the F30D and F30G, except for the stake pocket lip, which if you are a real stickler, you could shave off.  I can’t believe anyone would even notice, but that’s your solution.  Touch-up paint = Modelflex Dark Tuscan Oxide Red (DTOR), for PRR era.

 

Remember:  Some F30A were converted to both F30D and F30G, so don’t get caught up in that argument.

 

The “nail hole” in the stake pocket is not a mistake.  Some F30A had them, some didn’t.  In all my research for the PRR flat car book, and staring at hundreds of photos, I never figured that out.

 

The lightening holes in the u/f are spot on.

 

The trucks are good renditions of the “spring-leaf-spring” PRR truck found on these cars.

 

The deck looks very accurate for the F30 in general.  The drilled depressions for the carriage bolts are especially well done.

 

The look of the cast frame is very convincing.

 

Even the hand brake wheel looks correct.  First time for that.

 

The design/construction choice of metal for pretty much the entire car means they track really well without a load.  Ingenious.

 

With the number that were built, and the fact they traveled all over, this is a good add for your fleet, even if you model west coast.  The F30A I repeatedly crawled all over measuring and photo documenting over the years was found at the Orange Empire Railway Museum.

 

If you want to question my enthusiasm for this car, I will admit I have been part of some PRR projects that did not turn out well.  This was an exceptionally good outcome.

 

Elden Gatwood

On Jan 3, 2022, at 9:54 AM, Richard Remiarz <rremiarz@...> wrote:



In addition to trimming the side sill (which is based on the GN 3000-3499 series), the roof should be replaced with an overhanging diagonal panel roof.

 

Rich Remiarz

Vadnais Heights, MN

 

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Mike Clements via groups.io <mbclements@...>
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To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Accurail DDR 40’ Boxcar Prototype.

 

You have to trim the sill, but it is essentially a Great Northern prototype (series 3500-3999 I think.) 12' doors on 40' car was somewhat passe by the mid 1950s, so you aren't going to find too many more prototypes to match those sides with a diagonal panel roof and late improved dreadnaught ends (Wabash maybe? -  if there are other cars close to this spec I'd love to know). This was a Front Range or McKeen car that Accurail retooled with cast on details and their standard underframe. I have a set of the jumbo GN decals from Champ (first photo of GN 3582) that I still intend to use after I rebuild my Accurail car with Branchline ends.

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/gn/gn3582ajs.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/gn/gn-b3975.jpg

Mike Clements
Wakefield, MA
nyc65.wordpress.com

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jack Mullen
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On Sun, Jan 2, 2022 at 03:44 PM, Steve and Barb Hile wrote:

Using Google conversions, 88000 pounds of asphalt would be about 607 cubic feet which converts to about 4540 gallons.  So, a fairly small tank car.

Whoa there! It looks like Google is using a density for asphalt pavement, which would be around 145 lb/cf. What you want is the density of liquid asphalt, which isn't much greater than that of water.  A specific gravity of 1.04 would be about 65 lb/cf or 8.7 lb/gal.  88,000 lbs is a good match to a fully loaded 10,000 gal tank.

Jack Mullen

On 01/02/2022 8:57 PM Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:

 

 

That’s a much larger tank car, either 8000 or 10000 gallons, but maybe not full.

 

Steve Hile

 

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Eric

 

How about a photo

 

Larry Smith

 

Tha

 

 

On Sunday, January 2, 2022, 04:44:14 PM CST, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

 

 

Larry, 

 

Can you share the reporting marks and car number? The capacity sounds odd but the reporting marks and car number may be used to cross check in an ORER. 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

On Jan 2, 2022, at 3:55 PM, Larry Smith <wooddale@...> wrote:

In 1933, the East Broad Top received its first standard gauge car in interchange at the Timber Transfer where they exchanged standard trucks for narrow gauge trucks.  In a recent article in the FEBT magazine, it ws said that the car carried 88000 lbs of road tar for delivery to Orbasonia.  What size of tank car could carry 44 tons of road tar?

Larry Smith.