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Re: What is the prototype? Is there a model?

Tim O'Connor
 


I don't know about Type 30, but it looks a lot like the SP O-50-14 tank cars that were
built in 1942 and more were built later as well. An importer called "Drake" brought in HO
scale brass models.

Tim O'Connor

On 1/2/2022 10:33 PM, Matt Martin wrote:

All,

In my attempt to model prototypically accurate freight cars of the Apache Railway, I am seeking this group’s expertise.

I would like to know what kind of tank car this is:
From what I can gather it is an 8,000 Gallon (I know it’s marked 8,100 gallons) GATX Type 30 tank car. 

I believe Resin Car Works had an HO-Scale model of this or a similar car:
Can anybody confirm if I am accurate on the prototype and model? Or am I way off?

Thank you.

Matt Martin


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Accurail DDR 40’ Boxcar Prototype.

Jeff Helm
 

Rich,

What are the options for the overhanging diagonal panel roof?  This seems to be one of those “missing” detail parts, for GN modelers in particular.

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Cheers

Jeff Helm
The Olympic Peninsula Branch
https://olympicpeninsulabranch.blogspot.com/


Re: Who makes these HO scale ladders?

Tim O'Connor
 


They look like CMA (Creative Model Associates) injection molded ladders but CMA may
have been folded into Tichy by now. CMA produced the injection molded ice rack kits that
were accurate for PFE.

Tim O'Connor




On 1/2/2022 8:50 PM, Scott wrote:

Anybody know who makes the ladders in the photo?

Think they came out of a Speedwitch kit but not sure.

Thanks,
Scott McDonald 

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Tim O'Connor
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Plastic / Resin molds

Ray Hutchison
 

There are several detail parts that I would to (attempt to) make copies of.  I have not worked with plastic molds, or any type molds before (at least not since elementary school art classes).  I would appreciate any comments / suggestions as to best materials to use / purchase / as well as important techniques to keep in mind...

Ray Hutchison


Re: Accurail DDR 40’ Boxcar Prototype.

Benjamin Hom
 

Fenton Wells wrote:
"I could be wrong, so someone who knows for sure, jump in but I think the Accurail is a 10’-0” I H car."

You're wrong.

"The C&BT, McKean and Front Range were10’-6” I H cars. Not that big a difference depends on one standards."

You're also wrong about the C&BT models being the same as the McKean and Front Range models.  The C&BT models have the earlier "rolling pin" improved Dreadnaught ends.

You're also wrong about the 6 inches...one of the hallmarks of this era is the "stair-stepped" profiles of trains and cuts of cars, and this small difference is needed to capture this effect.


Ben Hom


Re: Rapido F30's

Tim O'Connor
 


Eldon, to my eye it looks like the F30D stake pockets *added* a lower lip compared to the F30A, rather than removed one.



On 1/2/2022 6:39 PM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

Jeff, Group;

 

I decided to spend enough time with mine to know what I was talking about, so here goes:

 

The cars most accurately (and do they!), represent the final and largest group of F30A built 1934-ish, with the wider B end frame extension outside the bolster, and the stake pocket lips.  They are pretty much spot on for those cars.  Mine are numbered accurately.

 

They are also pretty accurate for the F30D and F30G, except for the stake pocket lip, which if you are a real stickler, you could shave off.  I can’t believe anyone would even notice, but that’s your solution.  Touch-up paint = Modelflex Dark Tuscan Oxide Red (DTOR), for PRR era.

 

Remember:  Some F30A were converted to both F30D and F30G, so don’t get caught up in that argument.

 

The “nail hole” in the stake pocket is not a mistake.  Some F30A had them, some didn’t.  In all my research for the PRR flat car book, and staring at hundreds of photos, I never figured that out.

 

The lightening holes in the u/f are spot on.

 

The trucks are good renditions of the “spring-leaf-spring” PRR truck found on these cars.

 

The deck looks very accurate for the F30 in general.  The drilled depressions for the carriage bolts are especially well done.

 

The look of the cast frame is very convincing.

 

Even the hand brake wheel looks correct.  First time for that.

 

The design/construction choice of metal for pretty much the entire car means they track really well without a load.  Ingenious.

 

With the number that were built, and the fact they traveled all over, this is a good add for your fleet, even if you model west coast.  The F30A I repeatedly crawled all over measuring and photo documenting over the years was found at the Orange Empire Railway Museum.

 

If you want to question my enthusiasm for this car, I will admit I have been part of some PRR projects that did not turn out well.  This was an exceptionally good outcome.

 

Elden Gatwood



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Accurail DDR 40’ Boxcar Prototype.

O Fenton Wells
 

I could be wrong, so someone who knows for sure, jump in but I think the Accurail is a 10’-0” I H car. The C&BT, McKean and Front Range were10’-6” I H cars. Not that big a difference depends on one standards. 
Fenton 


On Jan 3, 2022, at 9:54 AM, Richard Remiarz <rremiarz@...> wrote:



In addition to trimming the side sill (which is based on the GN 3000-3499 series), the roof should be replaced with an overhanging diagonal panel roof.

 

Rich Remiarz

Vadnais Heights, MN

 

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Mike Clements via groups.io <mbclements@...>
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To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Accurail DDR 40’ Boxcar Prototype.
 
You have to trim the sill, but it is essentially a Great Northern prototype (series 3500-3999 I think.) 12' doors on 40' car was somewhat passe by the mid 1950s, so you aren't going to find too many more prototypes to match those sides with a diagonal panel roof and late improved dreadnaught ends (Wabash maybe? -  if there are other cars close to this spec I'd love to know). This was a Front Range or McKeen car that Accurail retooled with cast on details and their standard underframe. I have a set of the jumbo GN decals from Champ (first photo of GN 3582) that I still intend to use after I rebuild my Accurail car with Branchline ends.

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/gn/gn3582ajs.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/gn/gn-b3975.jpg

Mike Clements
Wakefield, MA
nyc65.wordpress.com


Re: What is the prototype? Is there a model?

Ray Hutchison
 

I like the hose on the side of the car.  Good detail for modeling.


Re: Accurail DDR 40’ Boxcar Prototype.

Richard Remiarz
 

In addition to trimming the side sill (which is based on the GN 3000-3499 series), the roof should be replaced with an overhanging diagonal panel roof.

 

Rich Remiarz

Vadnais Heights, MN

 

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Mike Clements via groups.io <mbclements@...>
Sent: Monday, January 3, 2022 8:32:10 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Accurail DDR 40’ Boxcar Prototype.
 
You have to trim the sill, but it is essentially a Great Northern prototype (series 3500-3999 I think.) 12' doors on 40' car was somewhat passe by the mid 1950s, so you aren't going to find too many more prototypes to match those sides with a diagonal panel roof and late improved dreadnaught ends (Wabash maybe? -  if there are other cars close to this spec I'd love to know). This was a Front Range or McKeen car that Accurail retooled with cast on details and their standard underframe. I have a set of the jumbo GN decals from Champ (first photo of GN 3582) that I still intend to use after I rebuild my Accurail car with Branchline ends.

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/gn/gn3582ajs.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/gn/gn-b3975.jpg

Mike Clements
Wakefield, MA
nyc65.wordpress.com


Re: HO code 88 wheels

Allen Cain
 

Eric,

Thanks for the wheelset dimensions.  Do you happen to have corresponding data on various truck sideframes?
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Allen Cain
Modeling the Southern in 1955 in HO Scale


Re: Accurail DDR 40’ Boxcar Prototype.

Mike Clements
 

You have to trim the sill, but it is essentially a Great Northern prototype (series 3500-3999 I think.) 12' doors on 40' car was somewhat passe by the mid 1950s, so you aren't going to find too many more prototypes to match those sides with a diagonal panel roof and late improved dreadnaught ends (Wabash maybe? -  if there are other cars close to this spec I'd love to know). This was a Front Range or McKeen car that Accurail retooled with cast on details and their standard underframe. I have a set of the jumbo GN decals from Champ (first photo of GN 3582) that I still intend to use after I rebuild my Accurail car with Branchline ends.

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/gn/gn3582ajs.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/gn/gn-b3975.jpg

Mike Clements
Wakefield, MA
nyc65.wordpress.com


Re: Who makes these HO scale ladders?

 

Details West, as Andy mentioned. I have one set of the seven rung ladders. Part LA-1006. 
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Jack Dziadul
Sanford, NC


Re: Accurail DDR 40’ Boxcar Prototype.

O Fenton Wells
 

Actually, my bad, that photo is of Bob Chapman's Sunshine kit, here is my McKean copy with Boas parts.  Bob's model was my motivation as I couldn't find a Sunshine kit.
Fenton

On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 8:18 AM O Fenton Wells via groups.io <srrfan1401=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Bruce in my opinion is a C&BT, Front Range or McKean kit.  Not sure about the doors.  It is probably not too far off for the M-59 that it looks to be.  Not sure of the ends and the M-59 had 2 different sized doors.  Some more research is needed but it is a good starting point.  I have a bunch of these kits as they represent 10'-4" or 10'-6"IH 40 ft DD cars (depending on your tolerance for that detail. And they came in different roof and end types. Chad Boas makes the doors, ends and side sills for the B&O M-59
My $0.02 worth.  I bashed one of these using the McKean kit and Boas ends and doors and Speedwitch decals (Now National Scale Car Co).  Photo attached
Fenton

On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 4:28 AM Bruce Griffin <bdg1210@...> wrote:
This might be a an easy question for the group. I did do a search on the topic with no related results. I have an old B&0 decorated boxcar I will either give to a new modeler at a train show or turn into a useable prototype model. I am sure Dennis will tell me the prototype and hoping others will give me a source of decals. Or the other case, I  give it to the Historical Society and they use it as a give away for a new member. I have some Walther's hoppers headed in that direction. Thank you for your input. 

 

Bruce D. Griffin
Ashland, MD
https://bomodeling.com/blog/

 



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250 Frye Rd
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910-420-8106
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Re: Accurail DDR 40’ Boxcar Prototype.

O Fenton Wells
 

Bruce in my opinion is a C&BT, Front Range or McKean kit.  Not sure about the doors.  It is probably not too far off for the M-59 that it looks to be.  Not sure of the ends and the M-59 had 2 different sized doors.  Some more research is needed but it is a good starting point.  I have a bunch of these kits as they represent 10'-4" or 10'-6"IH 40 ft DD cars (depending on your tolerance for that detail. And they came in different roof and end types. Chad Boas makes the doors, ends and side sills for the B&O M-59
My $0.02 worth.  I bashed one of these using the McKean kit and Boas ends and doors and Speedwitch decals (Now National Scale Car Co).  Photo attached
Fenton

On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 4:28 AM Bruce Griffin <bdg1210@...> wrote:
This might be a an easy question for the group. I did do a search on the topic with no related results. I have an old B&0 decorated boxcar I will either give to a new modeler at a train show or turn into a useable prototype model. I am sure Dennis will tell me the prototype and hoping others will give me a source of decals. Or the other case, I  give it to the Historical Society and they use it as a give away for a new member. I have some Walther's hoppers headed in that direction. Thank you for your input. 

 

Bruce D. Griffin
Ashland, MD
https://bomodeling.com/blog/

 



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250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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Re: Rapido X31a

Mike Clements
 

That is a pre-lettered car. The idea is to save the paint by using a clear, thick decal to represent the patch along the bottom of the car body. 
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Mike Clements
Wakefield, MA
nyc65.wordpress.com


Accurail DDR 40’ Boxcar Prototype.

Bruce Griffin
 

This might be a an easy question for the group. I did do a search on the topic with no related results. I have an old B&0 decorated boxcar I will either give to a new modeler at a train show or turn into a useable prototype model. I am sure Dennis will tell me the prototype and hoping others will give me a source of decals. Or the other case, I  give it to the Historical Society and they use it as a give away for a new member. I have some Walther's hoppers headed in that direction. Thank you for your input. 

 

Bruce D. Griffin
Ashland, MD
https://bomodeling.com/blog/

 


Re: Rapido X31a

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Mike 

What paInt did you use on this car or is this the color of the undecorated car?

Bill Pardie





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From: "Mike Clements via groups.io" <mbclements@...>
Date: 1/2/22 12:08 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rapido X31a

I’ve got 5 decal projects going right now, and this is at the bottom of the stack. I’ll post photos of the final result, I think the weathering will help make it pop, but this is what I’ve got right now. I had to hold it at angle to see it. 
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Wakefield, MA
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Re: Barber Asphalt tank car

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Thanks for the correction.  I took the first value I saw.  I also now see a value of 7.91 pounds per gallon, which nets 11,125 gallons.

 

The 10000 gallon value makes sense when viewing the tank car in the photo.

 

Thanks,

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jack Mullen
Sent: Monday, January 3, 2022 12:21 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Barber Asphalt tank car

 

On Sun, Jan 2, 2022 at 03:44 PM, Steve and Barb Hile wrote:

Using Google conversions, 88000 pounds of asphalt would be about 607 cubic feet which converts to about 4540 gallons.  So, a fairly small tank car.

Whoa there! It looks like Google is using a density for asphalt pavement, which would be around 145 lb/cf. What you want is the density of liquid asphalt, which isn't much greater than that of water.  A specific gravity of 1.04 would be about 65 lb/cf or 8.7 lb/gal.  88,000 lbs is a good match to a fully loaded 10,000 gal tank.

Jack Mullen

 

 


Re: Barber Asphalt tank car

Jack Mullen
 

On Sun, Jan 2, 2022 at 03:44 PM, Steve and Barb Hile wrote:

Using Google conversions, 88000 pounds of asphalt would be about 607 cubic feet which converts to about 4540 gallons.  So, a fairly small tank car.

Whoa there! It looks like Google is using a density for asphalt pavement, which would be around 145 lb/cf. What you want is the density of liquid asphalt, which isn't much greater than that of water.  A specific gravity of 1.04 would be about 65 lb/cf or 8.7 lb/gal.  88,000 lbs is a good match to a fully loaded 10,000 gal tank.

Jack Mullen

 

 


Re: Barber Asphalt tank car

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Especially for the narrow gauge trucks!!

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Scott H. Haycock
Sent: Sunday, January 2, 2022 10:50 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Barber Asphalt tank car

 

I think the load weight limit was met, more or less, but not the car's capacity. I would think that with a heavier product like asphalt, this was common.

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantment

On 01/02/2022 8:57 PM Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:

 

 

That’s a much larger tank car, either 8000 or 10000 gallons, but maybe not full.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Larry Smith
Sent: Sunday, January 2, 2022 9:41 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Barber Asphalt tank car

 

Eric

 

How about a photo

 

Larry Smith

 

Inline imageTha

 

 

On Sunday, January 2, 2022, 04:44:14 PM CST, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

 

 

Larry, 

 

Can you share the reporting marks and car number? The capacity sounds odd but the reporting marks and car number may be used to cross check in an ORER. 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN


On Jan 2, 2022, at 3:55 PM, Larry Smith <wooddale@...> wrote:

In 1933, the East Broad Top received its first standard gauge car in interchange at the Timber Transfer where they exchanged standard trucks for narrow gauge trucks.  In a recent article in the FEBT magazine, it ws said that the car carried 88000 lbs of road tar for delivery to Orbasonia.  What size of tank car could carry 44 tons of road tar?

Larry Smith.