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Re: CN Slabside Hopper
maynard stowe
Another one of this terrific Film board of Canada movies. They capture life long gone 50 to 70 years ago. My favorite is still the one about the country elevator operator.
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Re: A Day At The Car Shops 1951 - Film About Building Freight Cars at Merchants Despatch
Bill Parks
Nice video.
One thing I found interesting is that they installed the brake gear from underneath the car. Somewhere in a box, I have a book on passenger cars that has a picture showing the underframe of a passenger car having everything installed while it was still upside down, and before the body was added. I can't remember if the picture was from PS or Budd (I do know it was the underframe of a lightweight car). I had assumed that freight cars were built the same way, as to me at least, that was the safest, and most efficient way to do it. I'm know wondering if only passenger cars were built that (or it was specific to that builder) because of all the additional things they have underneath them (battery boxes, A/C units, water tanks, etc.) as opposed to freight cars that generally just have brake gear. -- Bill Parks Cumming, GA Modelling the Seaboard Airline in Central Florida |
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Re: CN Slabside Hopper
Another CP-GN route was via the GN from the border through Great Falls MT (Milw) and then through Helena (NP) to Butte-SilverBow (UP). Tim O'Connor On 2/5/2022 11:06 PM, Doug Polinder via groups.io wrote: Bruce, this may only tangentially answer your question but I found a picture of CP XX0294 on the GN in Edmonds WA in July 1960 in Hickcox' book Great Northern in Color, volume 1, which was enough to justify my buying one of Sylvan's slabsides and modeling the CP car. Understand that CP tended to interchange more with NP, while CN's favored interchange partner for US destinations (at New Westminster BC) was GN. So if a CP car showed up on the GN, it is highly likely that CN slabsides also made it to the US. A lot of CN cars traveled via the GN over the Inside Gateway (GN-WP-ATSF) to Southern Cal. --
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Re: A Day At The Car Shops 1951 - Film About Building Freight Cars at Merchants Despatch
Chris Barkan
Glad to hear that several of you liked this. It is rare to see such extended footage on so many aspects of the freight car component fabrication and construction process. Credit for finding the link goes to the NYC Historical Society who posted it on their Research Resources webpage: https://nycshs.org/nycs-research-information/ There are a number of other things posted there that I'll wager readers of this list will find of interest.
-- Chris Barkan Champaign, IL |
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Re: CN Slabside Hopper
Doug Polinder
Bruce, this may only tangentially answer your question but I found a picture of CP XX0294 on the GN in Edmonds WA in July 1960 in Hickcox' book Great Northern in Color, volume 1, which was enough to justify my buying one of Sylvan's slabsides and modeling the CP car. Understand that CP tended to interchange more with NP, while CN's favored interchange partner for US destinations (at New Westminster BC) was GN. So if a CP car showed up on the GN, it is highly likely that CN slabsides also made it to the US. A lot of CN cars traveled via the GN over the Inside Gateway (GN-WP-ATSF) to Southern Cal.
Doug Polinder Seguin TX |
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Re: 6,000 Gal. Tank Car Circa 1906
Chuck Soule
Chuck Greene wrote, " I'd like to see a prototype that might have been saved."
There used to be a Union Oil tank car of this sort at Travel Town in Griffith Park, LA. Actually, it could conceivably be the prototype for the model since Roundhouse was based in LA back in the days the kit was first issued. I don't know if the Union Oil car is exactly the same, but it is close. Unfortunately, I haven't been there in decades. Chuck Soule |
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Re: CN Slabside Hopper
Ian Cranstone
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Re: CN Slabside Hopper
Dennis Storzek <dennis@...>
Did CP have the same type of car? I just saw some in a fifties era publicity film: https://www.nfb.ca/film/station-master/
at about 5:22. Dennis Storzek |
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Re: 6,000 Gal. Tank Car Circa 1906
Dennis Storzek <dennis@...>
On Sat, Feb 5, 2022 at 06:29 PM, Thomas Evans wrote:
I looked again. There are cars of this type at the Cumbres & Toltec & at the Colorado Railroad Museum, BUT they have new & wider frames, so are considerably different from what they originally wereUTLX originally converted the last of their class V frameless cars for narrow gauge service, but as the D&RGW requested additional cars, they ran out, and had to modify class X cars.I recall reading somewhere (maybe here) that the original center sills were reused, spread further apart. Unfortunately, they also modified the lower edge to give more clearance, so it's not a mater of just relocating the sills to de-convert them. However, as I just said, they are not the same car as the MDC model. Dennis Storzek |
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Re: 6,000 Gal. Tank Car Circa 1906
Dennis Storzek <dennis@...>
On Sat, Feb 5, 2022 at 06:15 PM, Thomas Evans wrote:
I seem to remember that there might be some of these cars in Colorado (perhaps at the Cumbres & Toltec, perhaps elsewhere) converted to narrow gauge so with different trucks, but otherwise pretty original. Corrections welcome!As someone just said, those are the 6500 gal. cars, while MDC followed the drawings in the 1906 CBD, which are of the earlier 6000 gal. car. They are similar, but not exactly the same. Dennis Storzek |
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Re: 6,000 Gal. Tank Car Circa 1906
Thomas Evans <tomkevans@...>
I looked again. There are cars of this type at the Cumbres & Toltec & at the Colorado Railroad Museum, BUT they have new & wider frames, so are considerably different from what they originally were.
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Re: 6,000 Gal. Tank Car Circa 1906
Thomas Evans <tomkevans@...>
Charles,
I seem to remember that there might be some of these cars in Colorado (perhaps at the Cumbres & Toltec, perhaps elsewhere) converted to narrow gauge so with different trucks, but otherwise pretty original. Corrections welcome! Tom E. |
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Re: Kaolin Clay Slurry traffic
Yes, In the photo that is a GATX tank and Soo boxcar being loaded with Kaolin ca. 1959. The photo is from the link I included. You are correct a vast amount moved in dry form. I haven’t heard about much of this traffic moving to Minnesota or the PNW to mills there during the 50s. Link about kaolin on the southern: http://southern.railfan.net/ties/1959/59-6/kao.html
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Re: CNJ 20500-20999
Thanks Tim, I think that answers my question. I had been using the two Jim Sands pics. The jumbo liberty decal set already had 20672 on it so I went with it even though I had planned on modeling a random car. I doubt the down and out CNJ would paint those roofs bright red if there wasn’t already something up there.
-- Mike Clements Wakefield, MA nyc65.wordpress.com |
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Re: CNJ 20500-20999
By the 1960's the cars not fully repainted in bright red appear to have weathered roofs with paint sloughing off the panels and only the seam caps remain painted. But all of the photos I have of original or bright red repaints appear to have painted roofs. Tim O'Connor On 2/5/2022 3:06 PM, Mike Clements via groups.io wrote: I’m getting ready to weather one of the subject cars and it occurred to me that I haven’t figured out if the roofs were painted or not. A long shot I know, but there are some pretty knowledgeable folks on this list. Normally I’ll just wing it if I can’t figure it out but I did a fair amount of work and would like to get it right the first time. These were built by ACF 4-53. --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts 
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Re: CNJ 20500-20999
Thanks, appreciate that. Mine will be a bit older as it is a 1923 ARA car(X 29) Fenton Don’t copy me, I used Model Master Oxide Red....but I’m modeling a CNJ repaint - colors varied. There is a color builders photo in the Barriger Library Collection - ACF album which will make a good reference. It is in the last 1/3 of pages. --
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Re: CNJ 20500-20999
Don’t copy me, I used Model Master Oxide Red....but I’m modeling a CNJ repaint - colors varied. There is a color builders photo in the Barriger Library Collection - ACF album which will make a good reference. It is in the last 1/3 of pages.
-- Mike Clements Wakefield, MA nyc65.wordpress.com |
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Re: Canadian Tank Car traffic
Ian Cranstone
Tim, Procor cars wouldn’t have been visible until the 1960s… this Union Tank subsidiary wasn’t created until the mid-1940s as Products Tank Line of Canada. However, this company's cars were not visibly identified as such, bearing the same UTLX reporting marks and Union Tank Line labeling until the company was renamed to Procor Limited in the summer of 1962, at which point it seems that they were fairly aggressive in clearly promoting their new name. They continued to share the UTLX reporting marks until 1981, when the PROX reporting mark was used for new deliveries (older cars continued to use UTLX reporting marks until about 1990). The company did change the labeling to PROCOR LIMITED at that time, later shortened to just PROCOR. Canadian General Transit dates to 1931, and has since their beginning been a subsidiary of General American Transportation. I can only assume that their cars were primarily in Canadian service, and therefore didn’t show up much south of the border — possibly GATX cars were more commonly used in cross-border service. |
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Re: CNJ 20500-20999
Mike, what color red did you use? fenton I’m getting ready to weather one of the subject cars and it occurred to me that I haven’t figured out if the roofs were painted or not. A long shot I know, but there are some pretty knowledgeable folks on this list. Normally I’ll just wing it if I can’t figure it out but I did a fair amount of work and would like to get it right the first time. These were built by ACF 4-53. --
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CNJ 20500-20999
I’m getting ready to weather one of the subject cars and it occurred to me that I haven’t figured out if the roofs were painted or not. A long shot I know, but there are some pretty knowledgeable folks on this list. Normally I’ll just wing it if I can’t figure it out but I did a fair amount of work and would like to get it right the first time. These were built by ACF 4-53.
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cnj/cnj20672ajs.jpg -- Mike Clements Wakefield, MA nyc65.wordpress.com |
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