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Some HO steam era freight car stuff no longer needed

Brian Carlson
 

Guys. I have 3 pair of Kadee HO ASF A-3 sprung trucks available. $2 each or
all for $5 plus shipping.

I also have the 2009 Cocoa Beach shake and take kit, a UP Stock car, that I
am not going to build. The "What's on your workbench" thread caused me to
recall it. Since it was freely given, I will give it to anyone for the cost
of shipping. It includes the Accurail kit, resin ends, decals, and
instructions.

If anyone is interested in any of the above please contact me ------>>>>>OFF
LIST<<<<<<------ at the email below. Thanks.

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
prrk41361@yahoo.com


Re: ATSF Mineral Brown Equivalent

Rich C
 

Tru-Color offers TCP-19 Santa Fe Brown
 
http://www.trucolorpaint.com/index.php?p=1_2_Paint-Products
 
Rich Christie

--- On Sun, 9/5/10, StephenK <thekays100@gmail.com> wrote:


From: StephenK <thekays100@gmail.com>
Subject: [STMFC] ATSF Mineral Brown Equivalent
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, September 5, 2010, 1:57 PM


 



I am painting up a couple of PS1 box cars with the ATSF name train scheme and am looking for some guidance on color. The cars are supposed to be "Mineral Brown." Floquil makes the color in its solvent line, but my cars are plastic. I generally use Scalecoat II since it dries glossy for decaling, but they don't make a color specifically named "Mineral Brown" They make three versions of boxcar red plus a few other maroon/tuscan shades that might do it. I have bottles of "box car red" and "box car red 2" (2 is redder than 1) but still could use a little info.

Is there a glossy, plastic compatible color that is a decent match for ATSF Mineral brown?

SKay











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TAHOE MODEL WORKS TRUCKS

Andy Carlson
 

Thanks to Brian at TMW, I have all of the TMW trucks in stock with the
semi-scale wheelsets. To all of those who have been patient, and waited, your
time has arrived!

201- Dalman two-level plain
202- Dalman two-level w/ lateral motion device
203- Arch Bar
204- Barber Swing Motion Caboose
205- Barber-Bettendorf Swing Motion Caboose
206- Buckeye spring-plank cast steel truck
207- Double Truss self-aligning non-stabilized cast steel truck
208- Coil-elliptic 50-ton cast steel truck
209- Barber lateral Motion cast steel truck

I also have Intermountain Wheelsets in code 88 (semi-scale width) 12 packs

If interested, it is highly recommended that you contact me off-List at
<midcentury@sbcglobal.net>

If interested, Please contact me off-list at <midcentury@sbcglobal.net>

By decree of the powers that be--contact should be off-list at
<midcentury@sbcglobal.net>

********NOTE******* DO NOT REPLY TO THE STMFC LIST!!!!

Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Tank on ERIE 7234 flat car

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

http://www.com-central.net/index.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=13146&start=15

The tank weighed about 66 tons. The photo is obviously after 6/51 and testing was completed on this tank in the mid-50's.

KL
1920E0905


Re: ATSF Mineral Brown Equivalent

Steve SANDIFER
 

I use Floquil straight on plastic with no problem, and Floquil's "Mineral Brown" is good. Due to fading, you can have several shades lighter and it is still okay.

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----- Original Message -----
From: StephenK
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2010 1:57 PM
Subject: [STMFC] ATSF Mineral Brown Equivalent



I am painting up a couple of PS1 box cars with the ATSF name train scheme and am looking for some guidance on color. The cars are supposed to be "Mineral Brown." Floquil makes the color in its solvent line, but my cars are plastic. I generally use Scalecoat II since it dries glossy for decaling, but they don't make a color specifically named "Mineral Brown" They make three versions of boxcar red plus a few other maroon/tuscan shades that might do it. I have bottles of "box car red" and "box car red 2" (2 is redder than 1) but still could use a little info.

Is there a glossy, plastic compatible color that is a decent match for ATSF Mineral brown?

SKay


Re: ATSF Mineral Brown Equivalent

Pierre <pierre.oliver@...>
 

If the Floquil paint you have was purchased in the recent past, it is perfectly safe for plastic. You can check on the side of the label, it should say "contains petroleum distillates", if so you're good to go.
Floquil changed it's entire line some years ago to an enamel product.
Pierre Oliver

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "StephenK" <thekays100@...> wrote:

I am painting up a couple of PS1 box cars with the ATSF name train scheme and am looking for some guidance on color. The cars are supposed to be "Mineral Brown." Floquil makes the color in its solvent line, but my cars are plastic. I generally use Scalecoat II since it dries glossy for decaling, but they don't make a color specifically named "Mineral Brown" They make three versions of boxcar red plus a few other maroon/tuscan shades that might do it. I have bottles of "box car red" and "box car red 2" (2 is redder than 1) but still could use a little info.

Is there a glossy, plastic compatible color that is a decent match for ATSF Mineral brown?

SKay


Re: was 40 year rule? When retro with RB trucks?

Tim O'Connor
 

Brian

I have photos of 100 ton plain bearing CSXT gondolas on Conrail in 1994.
I even opened the journal box covers to be sure.

As I said, these are bans only from unrestricted interchange.

Tim O'Connor

1991 is given as the year that plain bearing trucks were banned. These would be 70 ton capacity and under, as higher capacity cars had to have roller bearings by 1974.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV


ATSF Mineral Brown Equivalent

StephenK
 

I am painting up a couple of PS1 box cars with the ATSF name train scheme and am looking for some guidance on color. The cars are supposed to be "Mineral Brown." Floquil makes the color in its solvent line, but my cars are plastic. I generally use Scalecoat II since it dries glossy for decaling, but they don't make a color specifically named "Mineral Brown" They make three versions of boxcar red plus a few other maroon/tuscan shades that might do it. I have bottles of "box car red" and "box car red 2" (2 is redder than 1) but still could use a little info.

Is there a glossy, plastic compatible color that is a decent match for ATSF Mineral brown?

SKay


Re: was 40 year rule? When retro with RB trucks?

brianleppert@att.net
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, water.kresse@... wrote:

When did the railroads have to replace older trucks with roller-bearing journaled trucks to keep older cars in inter-change service.  I'm looking at 1942-1946 built 70-ton covered hopper cars that stayed in revenue service until 1988-89.

Al Kresse
Al, look for message #7534 in our archives. Compiled by Jeff English, it covers AAR interchange dates, from 1870 to 1996.

1991 is given as the year that plain bearing trucks were banned. These would be 70 ton capacity and under, as higher capacity cars had to have roller bearings by 1974.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV


Re: Norwest Scale Models

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

Pierre--

You KNOW that you are "the other gent" on this list. :)

NorWest had an extensive line of Canadian and some US cars, but I get the distinct impression that all kits of theirs were a bit of work to build. As usual with resin kits, they modelled stuff not otherwise available.

It's nice to read of the CC&F tank cars possibly coming back. I could use three or more. Now if they were produced in RTR or undec...just dreaming again. (sigh)

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Pierre" <pierre.oliver@...> wrote:

I tihnk that I'm the "other gentleman" that Steve alludes to.
When Brian Pate, who started Nor-West was doing the casting him self, the end results were some of the finest resin casting at the time. For a variety of reasons Brian had Pro-Mosdel Builders take over casting and things were never the same.
The CC&F tankcar kit had the dubious honour of being one of a short list of kits that I will not accept commision to build. Far too much time was required to clean the underframe casting and still end up with an unsatisfactory result. It would have been quicker to scratch biuild a new underframe. The tank was delight full, on the other hand.
I have been told that it is very likely that we will see CC&F tankcars again before too long. That's all I can say at this point.
"Patience young Jedi" :-)
Pierre Oliver
It's obvious that the masters were of superb quality, but NorWest tried to do too much as single assemblies, IMHO. Another gent that I know on this list can expand on NorWest kit issues. Nice stuff, but a lot of work to build.

I'd LOVE to see the tank car come out again. I'd be inclined to try making masters for this car (the G/A drawings are in Gregg's Train Shed Cyclopedia #12) if I didn't have so many other irons in the fire right now...but never say never!!

Steve Lucas.


Re: Lehigh Valley 41000 series hopper

drgwrail
 

Been so ong since I did the LV Steam book as well as the drawings that were in
RMC that my recollection is foggy!

Don't know the answer to the air line question.

I made the drawings in RMC from original LV vellums. No longer have these but
loaned them to ARHS and they copied all of the vellums I had. Unfortunately, as
you probably know, the air brake piping and components are on a separate drawing
than the general erection one.

The LV erection drawing clearly show dimples pressed into the slope sheets to
provide clearance for the wheel treads.

Chuck Yungkurth
Boulder CO



________________________________
From: Claus Schlund (HGM) <claus@hellgatemodels.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, September 4, 2010 5:53:09 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Lehigh Valley 41000 series hopper

 
Hi Donald, Tim, Al,

Al wrote:

Yungkurth, "Steam Era of Lehigh Valley", p 58, shows the left sides
of LV 41254 (composite quad) and 41185 (steel-sided quad); the train
pipe isn't visible in either.
However, on page 63 of the same book there appears to be one of the referenced
composite cars (hard to know for certain, since it is
only a partial view with no road number visible) clearly showing an outside
train pipe.

Can someone confirm that this car on page 63 is the same hopper car class as is
under discussion?

- Claus at Hell Gate Models

----- Original Message -----
From: "Donald Ford" <ford.donald77@yahoo.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Lehigh Valley 41000 series hopper

Tim
Yes they had dimples or depresions in the slope heets, and the comsosite cars
had upside down pans fastened the the composie slope sheets if I read Chuck Y's
drawings rite. Both the photos in the RMC August 1997 article and I am guessing
that he used the same photos in his book on the Leheigh Valley, same numbers,
are of the side that would not have had the train air line using standard
pratice. Rich Christe said that his info on the twin hoppers these cars were
rebuilt into had the outside train air line. I also have a photo of one of
these cars its 3/4 end view but does shown the air line. They cut the frame
when the cars were rebuilt and could have rerouted it at that time. I am going
to go with train air line down the center sill. Well my car will be run on a
modular layout so I will just keep the left side out and the air line cop
shouldn't be albe to see it.
Thanks
Don Ford
Kanab UT

________________________________
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, September 4, 2010 12:27:18 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Lehigh Valley 41000 series hopper

Didn't these cars require "dimples" on the underside to
clear the wheels/truck-swing? Maybe the train line was run
down the center line of the car to avoid interference?

Tim O'Connor

Yungkurth, "Steam Era of Lehigh Valley", p 58, shows the left sides
of LV 41254 (composite quad) and 41185 (steel-sided quad); the train
pipe isn't visible in either.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.
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Re: Lehigh Valley 41000 series hopper

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Donald, Tim, Al,

Al wrote:

Yungkurth, "Steam Era of Lehigh Valley", p 58, shows the left sides
of LV 41254 (composite quad) and 41185 (steel-sided quad); the train
pipe isn't visible in either.
However, on page 63 of the same book there appears to be one of the referenced composite cars (hard to know for certain, since it is
only a partial view with no road number visible) clearly showing an outside train pipe.

Can someone confirm that this car on page 63 is the same hopper car class as is under discussion?

- Claus at Hell Gate Models




----- Original Message -----
From: "Donald Ford" <ford.donald77@yahoo.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Lehigh Valley 41000 series hopper


Tim
Yes they had dimples or depresions in the slope heets, and the comsosite cars
had upside down pans fastened the the composie slope sheets if I read Chuck Y's
drawings rite. Both the photos in the RMC August 1997 article and I am guessing
that he used the same photos in his book on the Leheigh Valley, same numbers,
are of the side that would not have had the train air line using standard
pratice. Rich Christe said that his info on the twin hoppers these cars were
rebuilt into had the outside train air line. I also have a photo of one of
these cars its 3/4 end view but does shown the air line. They cut the frame
when the cars were rebuilt and could have rerouted it at that time. I am going
to go with train air line down the center sill. Well my car will be run on a
modular layout so I will just keep the left side out and the air line cop
shouldn't be albe to see it.
Thanks
Don Ford
Kanab UT




________________________________
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, September 4, 2010 12:27:18 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Lehigh Valley 41000 series hopper



Didn't these cars require "dimples" on the underside to
clear the wheels/truck-swing? Maybe the train line was run
down the center line of the car to avoid interference?

Tim O'Connor

Yungkurth, "Steam Era of Lehigh Valley", p 58, shows the left sides
of LV 41254 (composite quad) and 41185 (steel-sided quad); the train
pipe isn't visible in either.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.










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Re: NRC/IC Reefers

FRANK PEACOCK
 

Group, While going through a copy of an IC System List (Jan. 1, 1946) I found the following notation at the bottom of the Reefers: "#NRC 10000-10499 Steel Underframe- refgr.-Banana Loading" (plus some dimensional data). The # Means "Not included in totals." Number of cars was 490. The list also has 10 other IC Reefer series for banana loading. Don't know if this is of any interest. FHP (Frank H. Peacock)

To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
From: rhinman@rcn.com
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 17:21:51 -0400
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: NRC/IC Reefers

The various ends and roofs on these cars were covered in my May 2002 Mainline Modeler article; there
were five different ends used over the 12 year production period.

Another nit, Illinois Central leased cars from NRC as far back as 1922 and as part of the lease, the IC agreed to limit the size
of its own refrigerator car fleet. After WW2 when the Despatch steel cars started showing up, the IC lease was changed to be with both companies,
which by that time were co-managed but still separate companies. IC also leased its older wood cars to NRC up until the early 1950s

Roger Hinman
On Sep 4, 2010, at 2:03 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:


I agree with Richard that the NRC-IC cars all appear to be DESPATCH
built. However, I have a shot of NRC-GM&O 19593 with R+2/4 ends and
this car matches several shots of MDT-IC reefers in the 136xx-137xx
series. I'd like to know more about these MDT 13xxx reefers (which
includes MDT-NYC 133xx) -- in particular, I have no roof shots of
them so I don't know if they have RP, DP, or Despatch roofs.

I also have a late 1950's shot of NRC-GM&O 19208 with flat plate
riveted ends!!

Also, MDT-IC 13662 has the circular fan plate and mechanical drive
to the RIGHT HAND side of the door -- the only time I've ever seen
this. None of the other MDT 13xxx cars has any visible fan stuff,
but the ORER listing indicates they all had Preco or Equipco electric
fans. (Any way to tell a car has electric fans by looking at it?)

The last independent ORER listing I have for NRC is 1959. By 1963
NRC is combined with MDT in the ORER. Anyone know exactly when the
combination of the two took place?

Tim O'Connor

JOhn Golden asked me a question off-list for which others may want to
know the answer:

Why does Intermountain have some of these cars with NRC reporting
marks--I'm sure there's a good explanation.

After World War II, instead of enlarging it's own fleet of steel
reefers to replace its aging 1920s wood reefers, the Illinois Central
began leasing reefers from the Northern Refrigerator Car Co., the
leasing subsidiary of New York Central's Merchants Dispatch
Transportation Co. These cars, operated under NRC reporting marks,
had Illinois Central heralds, diamond heralds at first and later
(after the period covered by the STMFC list) circle i heralds.
However, the Intermountain models are incorrect; the prototype NRC
cars were of MDT design, with roofs, ends, and other details that
were different from those on the cars the IC owned.

Richard Hendrickson






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Re: NRC/IC Reefers

Roger Hinman <rhinman@...>
 

The various ends and roofs on these cars were covered in my May 2002 Mainline Modeler article; there
were five different ends used over the 12 year production period.

Another nit, Illinois Central leased cars from NRC as far back as 1922 and as part of the lease, the IC agreed to limit the size
of its own refrigerator car fleet. After WW2 when the Despatch steel cars started showing up, the IC lease was changed to be with both companies,
which by that time were co-managed but still separate companies. IC also leased its older wood cars to NRC up until the early 1950s

Roger Hinman
On Sep 4, 2010, at 2:03 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:


I agree with Richard that the NRC-IC cars all appear to be DESPATCH
built. However, I have a shot of NRC-GM&O 19593 with R+2/4 ends and
this car matches several shots of MDT-IC reefers in the 136xx-137xx
series. I'd like to know more about these MDT 13xxx reefers (which
includes MDT-NYC 133xx) -- in particular, I have no roof shots of
them so I don't know if they have RP, DP, or Despatch roofs.

I also have a late 1950's shot of NRC-GM&O 19208 with flat plate
riveted ends!!

Also, MDT-IC 13662 has the circular fan plate and mechanical drive
to the RIGHT HAND side of the door -- the only time I've ever seen
this. None of the other MDT 13xxx cars has any visible fan stuff,
but the ORER listing indicates they all had Preco or Equipco electric
fans. (Any way to tell a car has electric fans by looking at it?)

The last independent ORER listing I have for NRC is 1959. By 1963
NRC is combined with MDT in the ORER. Anyone know exactly when the
combination of the two took place?

Tim O'Connor

JOhn Golden asked me a question off-list for which others may want to
know the answer:

Why does Intermountain have some of these cars with NRC reporting
marks--I'm sure there's a good explanation.

After World War II, instead of enlarging it's own fleet of steel
reefers to replace its aging 1920s wood reefers, the Illinois Central
began leasing reefers from the Northern Refrigerator Car Co., the
leasing subsidiary of New York Central's Merchants Dispatch
Transportation Co. These cars, operated under NRC reporting marks,
had Illinois Central heralds, diamond heralds at first and later
(after the period covered by the STMFC list) circle i heralds.
However, the Intermountain models are incorrect; the prototype NRC
cars were of MDT design, with roofs, ends, and other details that
were different from those on the cars the IC owned.

Richard Hendrickson


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Re: Color of IC Reefers

George Courtney
 

Thanks, guys,

Lucky me, I have a S scale orange kit that is MDT now that I've looked. And the year I model is 1958.

George Courtney

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


The only orange IC reefer photos that I've seen are of MDT
reefers from 1958 onwards. I don't know when the MDT-IC cars
began to be painted orange, but I think MDT began using orange
paint in the 1940's. Other MDT steel reefer users include GM&O,
DL&W, NYC (i.e. reefers with MDT reporting marks with emblems
of those railroads).

Tim O'Connor


George, Irv Athearn committed many sins against prototype modelers
for which, we may hope, has been forgiven now that he has gone to the
great freight yard in the sky, but this wasn't one of them. If the
Illinois Central ever painted their reefers orange, it was long after
the period covered by the STMFC list. The steel reefers delivered in
1937 and 1941-'42 were yellow-green-black when new (and the 1937 cars
at least, had aluminum painted roofs when delivered). Cars repainted
through the 1940s and '50s were essentially the same, though not with
aluminum roofs. There is photographic evidence of this P/L scheme
continuing well into the '60s, though IC did adopt a simpler P/L
scheme in the 1960s with everything on the sides (including hardware
and ladders) yellow and the rest of the car in black.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Lehigh Valley 41000 series hopper

Donald Ford <ford.donald77@...>
 

Tim
Yes they had dimples or depresions in the slope heets, and the comsosite cars
had upside down pans fastened the the composie slope sheets if I read Chuck Y's
drawings rite.  Both the photos in the RMC August 1997 article and I am guessing
that he used the same photos in his book on the Leheigh Valley, same numbers,
are of the side that would not have had the train air line using standard
pratice.  Rich Christe said that his info on the twin hoppers these cars were
rebuilt into had the outside train air line.  I also have a photo of one of
these cars its 3/4 end view but does shown the air line.  They cut the frame
when the cars were rebuilt and could have rerouted it at that time.  I am going
to go with train air line down the center sill.  Well my car will be run on a
modular layout so I will just keep the left side out and the air line cop
shouldn't be albe to see it.
Thanks
Don Ford
Kanab UT




________________________________
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, September 4, 2010 12:27:18 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Lehigh Valley 41000 series hopper

 

Didn't these cars require "dimples" on the underside to
clear the wheels/truck-swing? Maybe the train line was run
down the center line of the car to avoid interference?

Tim O'Connor

Yungkurth, "Steam Era of Lehigh Valley", p 58, shows the left sides
of LV 41254 (composite quad) and 41185 (steel-sided quad); the train
pipe isn't visible in either.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.






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Re: Lehigh Valley 41000 series hopper

Tim O'Connor
 

Didn't these cars require "dimples" on the underside to
clear the wheels/truck-swing? Maybe the train line was run
down the center line of the car to avoid interference?

Tim O'Connor

Yungkurth, "Steam Era of Lehigh Valley", p 58, shows the left sides
of LV 41254 (composite quad) and 41185 (steel-sided quad); the train
pipe isn't visible in either.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: NRC/IC Reefers

Tim O'Connor
 

I agree with Richard that the NRC-IC cars all appear to be DESPATCH
built. However, I have a shot of NRC-GM&O 19593 with R+2/4 ends and
this car matches several shots of MDT-IC reefers in the 136xx-137xx
series. I'd like to know more about these MDT 13xxx reefers (which
includes MDT-NYC 133xx) -- in particular, I have no roof shots of
them so I don't know if they have RP, DP, or Despatch roofs.

I also have a late 1950's shot of NRC-GM&O 19208 with flat plate
riveted ends!!

Also, MDT-IC 13662 has the circular fan plate and mechanical drive
to the RIGHT HAND side of the door -- the only time I've ever seen
this. None of the other MDT 13xxx cars has any visible fan stuff,
but the ORER listing indicates they all had Preco or Equipco electric
fans. (Any way to tell a car has electric fans by looking at it?)

The last independent ORER listing I have for NRC is 1959. By 1963
NRC is combined with MDT in the ORER. Anyone know exactly when the
combination of the two took place?

Tim O'Connor

JOhn Golden asked me a question off-list for which others may want to
know the answer:

Why does Intermountain have some of these cars with NRC reporting
marks--I'm sure there's a good explanation.

After World War II, instead of enlarging it's own fleet of steel
reefers to replace its aging 1920s wood reefers, the Illinois Central
began leasing reefers from the Northern Refrigerator Car Co., the
leasing subsidiary of New York Central's Merchants Dispatch
Transportation Co. These cars, operated under NRC reporting marks,
had Illinois Central heralds, diamond heralds at first and later
(after the period covered by the STMFC list) circle i heralds.
However, the Intermountain models are incorrect; the prototype NRC
cars were of MDT design, with roofs, ends, and other details that
were different from those on the cars the IC owned.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: 40 year rule?

Tim O'Connor
 

Clark

These rules only apply to the unlimited interchange of such cars.
Exemptions can be granted by mutual agreement and of course, cars
can continue to operate online as long as the owner wants.

Tony is right, the first time for such a rule was in 1970.

Tim O'Connor

For some reason I had it in my mind that freight car underframes had a 40 year life span. I was told otherwise by the more knowledgeable on this list.

This morning at coffee one of the local modelers said he'd read where one railroad had sold some cars that had reached the 40 year mark to another railroad. He was under the impression that at 40 years cars had to be scrapped!

Is there any 40 year rule, or milestone, that applies to freight cars? Just wondering where we were picking up these ideas from....

Thanks,
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Color of IC Reefers

Tim O'Connor
 

The only orange IC reefer photos that I've seen are of MDT
reefers from 1958 onwards. I don't know when the MDT-IC cars
began to be painted orange, but I think MDT began using orange
paint in the 1940's. Other MDT steel reefer users include GM&O,
DL&W, NYC (i.e. reefers with MDT reporting marks with emblems
of those railroads).

Tim O'Connor

George, Irv Athearn committed many sins against prototype modelers
for which, we may hope, has been forgiven now that he has gone to the
great freight yard in the sky, but this wasn't one of them. If the
Illinois Central ever painted their reefers orange, it was long after
the period covered by the STMFC list. The steel reefers delivered in
1937 and 1941-'42 were yellow-green-black when new (and the 1937 cars
at least, had aluminum painted roofs when delivered). Cars repainted
through the 1940s and '50s were essentially the same, though not with
aluminum roofs. There is photographic evidence of this P/L scheme
continuing well into the '60s, though IC did adopt a simpler P/L
scheme in the 1960s with everything on the sides (including hardware
and ladders) yellow and the rest of the car in black.

Richard Hendrickson

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