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Re: X29 question

Richard Brennan <brennan8@...>
 

At 12:48 AM 3/27/2011, you wrote:
Quick question - could someone suggest a source for a good close-up photo
of the door fittings on an X29 with Creco doors?
How about pre-Keystone PRR 503449 X29 with Creco doors... eh???
Steam Era Freight Cars Reference Manual Vol 1, page 119

also... note Creco-doored C&O 8000 Class B5-2 1923 AAR on page 113


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Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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X29 question

Frank Valoczy <destron@...>
 

Quick question - could someone suggest a source for a good close-up photo
of the door fittings on an X29 with Creco doors?

TIA,

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC


Re: Savannah 2011

seaboard_1966
 

Dave

I will indeed be posting photos. I need a chance to get home and access my photo site. I will let you guys know when that is done.

Now onto a report of today's activities. The day began with a FGE clinic, The Legacy Cars, by list member Bill Welch. It was an outstanding clinic that covered the formation of FGE, its early operations and its wooden car fleet. Bill, thanks for a fine clinic.

Up next was a clinic my Bill McCoy on modeling acl/scl C628. Bill did a great job covering the various aspects of the prototype and then building a credible model from the Rivarossi model of decades ago. Bill, thanks for your efforts on a fine very good clinic.

Around noon we broke for lunch until 1PM.

At one PM we held our usual door prize giveaways. A GREAT
time was had by all. We had enough door prizes that some folks actually got to pick twice!!!

The rest of the afternoon featured the second half of Bills FGE clinic. A clinic my Carl Merchand as well. I didn't attend due to other things going on and I don't remember what the clinic was about. Regardless Carl is an outstanding modeler and I am certain that the clinic was good. List member Fenton Wells presented a Southern Railway box car clinic. This was Fentons first trip here and her stepped right up to the plate. Thanks Fenton for a fine effort. We look forward to your promised clinic next year.

I am certain that I missed stuff. For that I apologize. As a person involved in the planning of this meet
I want to thank all that attended. I especially want to thank those who presented clinics and the like. I would also like to thank the manufacturers and sponsors who allow this event to happen and make it enjoyable for folks to attend.

Oh, final model count, 425! We will take that.

Denis Blake
Reporting from Savannah,GA
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Denis, appreciate the news from Savannah! Any chance that you (or another attendee) could post model photos for those of us who live just too far away and can only afford 1 or 2 crosscountry trips a year to attend RPM meets? It would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks, Dave Sieber, Reno NV







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Re: Savannah 2011

seaboard_1966
 

Fenton, I am glad that you attended the meet and had a good time. You were one of our first timers and there were several others that were as well. Please spread the word and we look forward to seeing you here next year.

Denis Blake
From Savannah,GA
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Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 20:55:06
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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Savannah 2011

Dennis, I had a great time and wanted to thank you and all those involved
for making this a great RPM meet. I met new friends, saw many, really great
models and clinics, learned a lot and most of all left inspired to do better
with my modeling efforts. Please thank all those who helped for me.
Best Regards,
Fenton


On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 11:39 PM, <dblake7@...> wrote:



The Savannah RPM meet got underway today. The first day featured clinic on
building a CRR F unit,railfanning and overview of the CRR and one on
building a CRR layout. To say it was a CRR day would be an understatement.

There are somewhere around 350 models on display at this time. This include
HO and O scale cars. Amongst these car are modified factory produced cars,
kit bashed and scratch built cars as well.

There are several outstanding passenger car models on display as well.

For the first time we have a good number of structures on hand as well.

While there are the usual suspects present we have several new comers to
the meet as well. Amongst these is Bill Welch who is giving a clinic
tomorrow, Saturday. I can't wait to attend that one.

Tonight we closed to doors at about 530pm and around 30 of us went to a
local sea food restaurant for dinner. For me, this dinner is one of the
highlights of the meet.

After dinner there were two options. Some folks went to tour an outstanding
CRR layout while others went back to the show and attended a slide show
presented by Bob Graham and Warren Calloway. These two gents fanned and
fanned hard and their efforts resulted in some fine photos.

Tomorrow features more clinics and the door prize give away. We have
sufficient door prizes that everyone should get at least one.

Doors close at 5pm tomorrow afternoon and the curtain will come down on the
2011 version of the Savannah RPM.

Thanks to all who have attended so far and we hope to have more show up
tomorrow.

I urge ALL to make plans to attend next years meet.

Denis Blake
From Savannah,GA
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry



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Fenton Wells
3047 Creek Run
Sanford NC 27332
919-499-5545
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3:1 Reefer to Reefers to Boxcar ratio

np328
 

I had mentioned earlier seeing a letter about the 3:1 ratio. Below it has been transcribed. This letter underscores Frank Peacocks post 98693 regarding the source of the order. It also expands the 3:1 into an additional 2:1 reefers for boxcars. The letter is to NP President C E Denny and dated June 7, 1950. Reference is made to April 1950 Freight Dept Reports regarding carloadings which came from each field agent monthly.
Dave Evans - sorry this provides no answers to your questions in post 98697.
............
Mr. Denney,

Referring to the attached April report wherein he states we lost six cars of magazines to the Pacific Coast from the Curtis Publishing Company.

This statement is somewhat misleading, in that Service Order 104 authorized the use of three refrigerators for one 50-foot boxcar under O.D.T. regulation which the Curtis people had been utilizing, and when the Ofiice of Defense Transportation terminated together with the service order, provision was made by tariff and revenue is for a 50-foot car under the multiple arrangement, whether three refrigerators for one 50-foot car or or two for one 40-foot, 6-inch car.

During April our loading showed two cars less than previous, and based on multiple loadings we lost the revenue of one car. In accepting the statement of Decker of the loss of six cars, under the multiple arrangment it could have been the loss of two or three (revenue) cars, as the case may be.

However we all know that the Curtis Publishing Company divides their business and Mr. Decker himself makes the statement that we should figure on a maximum division of 35 percent.

Joint tariff restricts the use of refrigerators as follows:

Via Northern Pacific - when loaded in BRE, FWD, NP, or NRC refrigerators.

Via Great Northern - when loaded in BRE, FGE, FWD, or WFE refrigerators.

Via Union Pacific - when loaded in PFE refrigerators.

....End....

Transcribed from letter found in NP Pres. Subject Files -
File 1477-131; Box 137.E.13.2f ; Minn. Hist. Society.
Jim Dick - Roseville, MN


Re: Savannah 2011

O Fenton Wells
 

Dennis, I had a great time and wanted to thank you and all those involved
for making this a great RPM meet. I met new friends, saw many, really great
models and clinics, learned a lot and most of all left inspired to do better
with my modeling efforts. Please thank all those who helped for me.
Best Regards,
Fenton


On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 11:39 PM, <dblake7@...> wrote:



The Savannah RPM meet got underway today. The first day featured clinic on
building a CRR F unit,railfanning and overview of the CRR and one on
building a CRR layout. To say it was a CRR day would be an understatement.

There are somewhere around 350 models on display at this time. This include
HO and O scale cars. Amongst these car are modified factory produced cars,
kit bashed and scratch built cars as well.

There are several outstanding passenger car models on display as well.

For the first time we have a good number of structures on hand as well.

While there are the usual suspects present we have several new comers to
the meet as well. Amongst these is Bill Welch who is giving a clinic
tomorrow, Saturday. I can't wait to attend that one.

Tonight we closed to doors at about 530pm and around 30 of us went to a
local sea food restaurant for dinner. For me, this dinner is one of the
highlights of the meet.

After dinner there were two options. Some folks went to tour an outstanding
CRR layout while others went back to the show and attended a slide show
presented by Bob Graham and Warren Calloway. These two gents fanned and
fanned hard and their efforts resulted in some fine photos.

Tomorrow features more clinics and the door prize give away. We have
sufficient door prizes that everyone should get at least one.

Doors close at 5pm tomorrow afternoon and the curtain will come down on the
2011 version of the Savannah RPM.

Thanks to all who have attended so far and we hope to have more show up
tomorrow.

I urge ALL to make plans to attend next years meet.

Denis Blake
From Savannah,GA
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry



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3047 Creek Run
Sanford NC 27332
919-499-5545
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Re: Spring Mills Depot EXLUSIVE M53 in the "Mid 1955 - Late 1957 Bill...

WaltGCox@...
 

Sorry for the obvious oversight, 1959 is the year I model.
Walt

In a message dated 3/26/2011 1:19:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
b.hom@... writes:


It depends on when you model. What year(s) are you interested in?

Ben Hom


Re: B&O circle T

Tim O'Connor
 

Thanks, Ken. See, that wasn't hard was it? :-)

All I was asking was where the information came from; you've demonstrated
that it came from a primary source (railroad diagram). That's good enough
for me! Feb 25, 2004? Ah, that would be 11 days after I was served with
divorce papers, and ordered out of my house... I was, umm, offline, for a
while back then. I missed Jim's post.

Tim O'Connor

------------------------------------------------

"Here are some of the odd markings you will find on B&O freight cars, from a 1940 B&O diagram, revised to 1955, and a couple related memos:
* circle T - boxcar car fit for Timesaver LCL service (clean, mechanically sound)
* circle S - structural limitations (like archbar trucks), home line service only
* circle H - cars repaired under Reconstruction Finance Corp. agreement (1930's)
* circle G - covered hoppers suitable for glass sand loading
* circle X - hoppers unfit for revenue coal service without heavy repairs, okay for company fuel
* white star - cars with reduced load limits due to structural limitations
* white cross - hopper door gear burned and bent for third rail clearance (discontinued 1941)
* white rectangle - boxcars with altered (modernized??) lateral running boards
* white rectangle/circle (like USAF fighter plane logo outline, on door) - boxcar equipped for handling auto parts
* white dot (6" dia.) - hopper cars suitable for handling powdered coal
* white dot (3" dia., above car initials) - hoppers for stone loading, end cross braces removed
* white stripe (3" thick, on boxcar door) - automobile boxcars with loading racks
* Company service
Jim Mischke /Feb 25, 2004


Re: B&O circle T

Ken Braden
 

Ouch Tim… necessary?





I added the "Jim Mischke would chime in soon" to qualify my answer, but
since that wasn't sufficient, I am adding below to qualify my answer.
Here are some quotes from the B&O Yahoo group and who posted them and
when.

* "The Time-Saver logo was introduced in late 1957. This was
just a logo, if it was really in Time-Saver Service (B&O's
less-than-carload service), it would have a little "T" in a circle
somewhere down around the car data fields."
Jim Mischke Sept 17, 2001

* "One marking common to B&O boxcars during the 1950's was a
little "T" in a circle down by the number. This was short for Time-Saver
service, B&O's less-than-carload freight service.
* The circle T stencil meant that the car was qualified for
Time-Ssaver service, mostly merchandise. I assume this meant a plain
boxcar, fairly modern (by broad B&O standards) clean, no rats, and no
special equipment for the automotive trade.
* Cars so marked drifted in and out of LCL service as needed. Mostly
out, the LCL trade was well into decline by then." Jim
Mischke Mar 2, 2002

* "The Circle "T" meant the boxcar was fit for Time-Saver
Less-Than-Carload (LCL) service.
* This probably meant:
- can go on fast trains
- meets main line clearances (the Parkersburg Subdivision maybe, maybe
not)
- kept clean and cleanable (i.e. had never carried raw animal hides or
Cragmont diet cola powdered mix)
* There were many, many more B&O 40' boxcars so marked than actively
in LCL
service, this mark denoted a high level of fitness for a premium
service.
* I've never seen a 50' boxcar so marked with the circle "T", such
cars did not
clear tight spots in the Parkersburg sub tunnels. Besides, LCL cars were
rarely filled up (cubed out, as they say), why use an extra cost 50' car
better
used elsewhere?
* The blue Time Saver boxcars (blue with the orange comet) was a
1947 vintage
promotional paint scheme applied to perhaps only seven cars, we believe.
These
cars were regular boxcars and circulated nationwide.
* Further, the 1958 vintage "Time Saver Service" slogan with the
billboard (Large
"B&O") scheme on red B&O boxcars was promotional only.
* B&O LCL service was terminated in 1961 as a part of the draconian
financial
turnaround B&O implemented to avoid bankruptcy."
Jim Mischke Mar 3, 2003


* "Here are some of the odd markings you will find on B&O
freight cars, from a 1940 B&O diagram, revised to 1955, and a couple
related memos:
* circle T - boxcar car fit for Timesaver LCL service (clean,
mechanically sound)
* circle S - structural limitations (like archbar trucks), home line
service only
* circle H - cars repaired under Reconstruction Finance Corp.
agreement (1930's)
* circle G - covered hoppers suitable for glass sand loading
* circle X - hoppers unfit for revenue coal service without heavy
repairs, okay for company fuel
* white star - cars with reduced load limits due to structural
limitations
* white cross - hopper door gear burned and bent for third rail
clearance (discontinued 1941)
* white rectangle - boxcars with altered (modernized??) lateral
running boards
* white rectangle/circle (like USAF fighter plane logo outline, on
door) - boxcar equipped for handling auto parts
* white dot (6" dia.) - hopper cars suitable for handling powdered
coal
* white dot (3" dia., above car initials) - hoppers for stone
loading, end cross braces removed
* white stripe (3" thick, on boxcar door) - automobile boxcars with
loading racks

* Company service
* X road number - cars for company service only, restricted to 30
mph. movement
* XM road number - cars for company service only, fit for track
speed"
Jim Mischke /Feb 25, 2004

I hope this helps. Jim, did I get all this correct?

Ken Braden

www.smd.cc <http://www.smd.cc>

www.fcsme.org <http://www.fcsme.org>






--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


And this confidence comes from..... repetition?

Tim O'Connor


At 3/26/2011 01:48 PM Saturday, you wrote:
Tim I'm almost 100% confident in my answer. Jim will come along soon
and
confirm this for us.

The Boxcars with slogans on them were more billboards than cars that
were
used for the LCL service. B&O used the Circle T to indicate that the
cars
met the requirements for LCL use.

Ken Braden


Re: B&O circle T

David Sieber
 

Gentlemen,
I offer one reference: RP Cyc 18, A.R.A 1923-1929 40' Box Cars, by Patrick Wider, section on B&O M-26 All-Steel Box Cars, captions for various B&O M-26B,C,D photos on pages 72-74, "The circle "T" indicated that the car was assigned to the railroad's LCL "Time-Saver Service." Still, since these and other photos therein show boxcars with a circle T off-line in Quebec, California, Rhode Island, North Carolina, etc., I incline toward the commonly heard explanation as "approved for" or "suitable for" use in Time-Saver LCL service.
Although RP Cyc is not a primary source (e.g., B&O lettering diagram, corporate letter, or similar document), it is a well-respected publication whose authors work from multiple documents as referenced in their bibliographies. I leave to the B&O historians to provide the second and third references for a verified, documented "fact."
Dave Sieber, Reno NV


Re: Savannah 2011

David Sieber
 

Denis, appreciate the news from Savannah! Any chance that you (or another attendee) could post model photos for those of us who live just too far away and can only afford 1 or 2 crosscountry trips a year to attend RPM meets? It would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks, Dave Sieber, Reno NV


Re: B&O circle T

Tim O'Connor
 

And this confidence comes from..... repetition?

Tim O'Connor

At 3/26/2011 01:48 PM Saturday, you wrote:
Tim I'm almost 100% confident in my answer. Jim will come along soon and
confirm this for us.

The Boxcars with slogans on them were more billboards than cars that were
used for the LCL service. B&O used the Circle T to indicate that the cars
met the requirements for LCL use.

Ken Braden


Re: B&O circle T

Ken Braden
 

Tim I'm almost 100% confident in my answer. Jim will come along soon and
confirm this for us.

The Boxcars with slogans on them were more billboards than cars that were
used for the LCL service. B&O used the Circle T to indicate that the cars
met the requirements for LCL use.



Ken Braden

www.smd.cc

www.fcsme.org





From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tim
O'Connor
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 1:42 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] RE: B&O circle T





Question 1. What does the "Circle T" indicate?

Answer: From my understanding it is an indication on the car that
the car was approved for less than carload use. (Time Saver Service

-------------------------------------

Are we certain of this Circle T interpretation? I ask because the
Nov-Dec 2006 issue of B&O Modeler mentions that hopper cars received
a "Circle H" emblem if they were reconstructed with money from the
Reconstruction Finance Corporation. Other hopper cars received a
"Circle X" emblem if they were not in revenue service, and were only
to be used for company coal.

Jim Mischke has provided the LCL explanation to STMFC before (2005 and
2009), but no one ever cited any source documents for this. I'd hate for
us to be spreading mythology instead of facts. The Circle T for LCL is
plausible... but is it factual?

Tim O'Connor


Re: B&O circle T

Tim O'Connor
 

Question 1. What does the "Circle T" indicate?

Answer: From my understanding it is an indication on the car that
the car was approved for less than carload use. (Time Saver Service

-------------------------------------

Are we certain of this Circle T interpretation? I ask because the
Nov-Dec 2006 issue of B&O Modeler mentions that hopper cars received
a "Circle H" emblem if they were reconstructed with money from the
Reconstruction Finance Corporation. Other hopper cars received a
"Circle X" emblem if they were not in revenue service, and were only
to be used for company coal.

Jim Mischke has provided the LCL explanation to STMFC before (2005 and
2009), but no one ever cited any source documents for this. I'd hate for
us to be spreading mythology instead of facts. The Circle T for LCL is
plausible... but is it factual?

Tim O'Connor


Steam era freight yards

MDelvec952
 

The recent plea for more wartime photography reminded me of a negative I own where I'd love to know the location. The other images on these strips of 35mm are in the Freehold area and elsehwere on the PRR in the 1940s. None are marked for date and location; one uncut roll was 2/3rds shot at the 1939 World's Fair, mostly Pennsy stuff.

Posted in an STMFC album called "Steam era freight yards," this image shows a yard full of cars along a river. It's likely in the New Jersey / Pennsylvania area based on the frames on the rest of the roll.

Based on the paint schemes in the yard, I'm guessing the image was made during wartime or later 1940s. Anyone more versed in freight car paint schemes and eras care to guess the year? Most importantly I'd love to know the location.

The original is 35 mm scanned so that we can see every grain. The resolution is what it is. The image is pending moderator's approval.

Thanks in advance ....Mike Del Vecchio


Re: Spring Mills Depot EXLUSIVE M53 in the "Mid 1955 - Late 1957 Bill...

Benjamin Hom
 

Walt Cox asked:
"A related question would be which scheme, if any, would be most commonly
seen in interchange (into eastern Canada in particular)?"

It depends on when you model.  What year(s) are you interested in?


Ben Hom


Re: Spring Mills Depot EXLUSIVE M53 in the "Mid 1955 - Late 1957 Billboard 13 Great States" - TAKING ORDERS

gn999gn
 

Schuyler -

The "T" indicates "TimeSaver" service.

Ron dePierre

--- In STMFC@..., "Schuyler Larrabee" <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

On this list, this question will be obvious: What does the "Circle T"
indicate?

SGL



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Ken
Braden
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:14 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Spring Mills Depot EXLUSIVE M53 in the "Mid 1955 - Late
1957 Billboard 13 Great States" - TAKING ORDERS





We are proud to announce an SMD exclusive!
In conjunction with Fox Valley Models announcement of their B&O M-53 box
car,
Spring Mills Depot will be selling a very limited run of the
"Mid 1955 - Late 1957 Billboard 13 Great States" paint scheme.
Click here for an updated flyer. <http://smd.cc/images/SMD_M53_flyer-3.jpg>

We have received a lot of interest and deposits on our M53 box car. We
ordered a few extra for late comers and those that missed the initial
announcement. We are still taking deposits on our version of the M53 box
car. If you wish to place a reservation with us for any cars using PayPal,
here is what you need to do:
1. Email us <mailto:info@...
<mailto:info%40springmillsdepot.com> > with which car(s) you want
by item number and the quantity of each.
2. We will send you an itemized PayPal invoice for the deposit.
3. Pay the PayPal invoice and you will be sure to receive your cars.
First paid, first served.

Here are some notes about the three cars Spring Mills Depot is doing:
- Each car is slightly different in the reporting marks area
- 110101-01 Car #381094 will have B&O reporting marks and road number as
depicted here <http://smd.cc/images/M53_381094withcomments.jpg> .
- 110101-02 Car #381140 will have no B&O reporting marks, a circle T to the
left of the road number, and an underline under the road number as depicted
here <http://smd.cc/images/M53_381140withcomments.jpg> .
- 110201-03 Car #380179 will have a circle T to the left of the road number
as depicted here <http://smd.cc/images/M53_380179withcomments.jpg> .

If you have any questions please let us know.

Ken Braden
www.smd.cc
www.fcsme.org

Thank you for your consideration.

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Re: Spring Mills Depot EXLUSIVE M53 in the "Mid 1955 - Late 1957 Bill...

Ken Braden
 

Question 1. What does the "Circle T" indicate?

Answer: From my understanding it is an indication on the car that the car was approved for less than carload use. (Time Saver Service on the B&O)



Question 2. which scheme, if any, would be most commonly seen in interchange

Answer: I have no idea. I would think that any scheme would be seen in interchange service but someone else might have more information than me on that.



Ken Braden

<http://www.smd.cc> www.smd.cc

<http://www.fcsme.org> www.fcsme.org







From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of WaltGCox@...
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 12:41 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Spring Mills Depot EXLUSIVE M53 in the "Mid 1955 - Late 1957 Bill...





A related question would be which scheme, if any, would be most commonly
seen in interchange (into eastern Canada in particular)? Walt


In a message dated 3/26/2011 10:31:31 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
schuyler.larrabee@... <mailto:schuyler.larrabee%40verizon.net> writes:

On this list, this question will be obvious: What does the "Circle T"
indicate?

SGL

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Re: 3:1 Reefers to Box Cars ratio

Bob Sterner
 

I asked my Dad about this one. He was a traffic clerk then manager in the Chicago region from the late 50s into the 80s. Tariffs were a big part of his job. Below is what he had to say about the 3:1 rule. It is interesting that his perception was the RRs didn't like it. I suppose the produce shippers and those who got the 3:1 deal were the happy ones.

Bob Sterner
St. Paul, MN

Hi;

Yes I am familiar with that rule. They referred to it as the three for one rule. We never took advantage of it because our Boss was a former RR guy and there were a lot of problems with the RR operations when trying to use it. If you had big and bulky products like furniture it really was a good deal.

Dad

--- In STMFC@..., "Dave Evans" <devans1@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., "Dave Evans" <devans1@> wrote:

The other possibility is that perhaps this was simply a way to add general merchandise capacity by latching on to the two largest reefer fleets. One thing I plan to do is look at the WWII ICC reports and see if there was a significant drop in reefer carloads during the war - food for domestic consumption was being rationed, and I would think food shipments for overseas did not require reefers to the ports. Perhaps fresh food ton-miles dropped significantly during the war.
Update:

Hate to reply to myself, but I did a quick scan of the 1941 and 1944 ICC reports for cars loaded - the commodity's that would likely require produce reefers were nearly all higher in 1944 than 1941, and fresh meat carloads were also higher (as were stock car loads). So reefer utilization must have been higher in 1944, since I think a relatively small percentage of cars were added to the reefer fleet during the war.

Dave Evans


Re: Spring Mills Depot EXLUSIVE M53 in the "Mid 1955 - Late 1957 Bill...

WaltGCox@...
 

A related question would be which scheme, if any, would be most commonly
seen in interchange (into eastern Canada in particular)? Walt

In a message dated 3/26/2011 10:31:31 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
schuyler.larrabee@... writes:




On this list, this question will be obvious: What does the "Circle T"
indicate?

SGL






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