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Lackawanna twin hopper car roping staples

octoraro1948 <octoraro1@...>
 

I'm working on a DL&W twin hopper car in the series 85500 - 86499 as illustrated on page 100 of Bob Karig's book, Coal Cars. I also have a few in-service photos of these cars.

It appears to me that there were only roping staples on the right end of each side. In my photos, it is dark below the sides and the angle of each photo shows the corner with the roping staples, so I may be missing ones on the other end. The photo in Coal Cars could have been retouched so the other staple is "whited out".

Can someone confirm or refute what my eyes are suggesting to me?

One other subtle detail I see in the photos seems to be a small steel angle with the flanges welded to the slope sheet end of the hopper bays (not the inboard ends with the doors). Does this "reinforcement" go all the way across the car, or just on the hoppers? A photo of a different series indicates this reinforcement was a zee section.

Thank you for any information you can provide.

Lou Whiteley
Lawrenceville, NJ


2011 St. Louis RPM Meet - Hotel Information

golden1014
 

Gentlemen,
 
Part of our announcement message for the upcoming St. Louis RPM Meet was cut off
on all messages that went out to Yahoo Groups.  Please forgive the additional
posting but I wanted to make sure that everyone got our revised hotel links.  
 Here is a link to area hotels:
http://home.mindspring.com/~icg/rpm/CollinsvilleILAccomodations.pdf.  FYI, there
is a brand new Double Tree Hotel next to the Center, just constructed within the
last 18 months.  Additional area hotel information can be found
at http://home.mindspring.com/~icg/rpm/STLRPMHotel.pdf
BRING YOUR MODELS - THAT'S WHAT ST. LOUIS RPM IS ALL ABOUT!
John
 
Contact John Golden at Golden1014@...(812) 929-7181, Dan Kohlberg at
paducah@... Lonnie Bathurst at (217) 556-0314 for meet info.  Our
latest flyer can be found at http://icg.home.mindspring.com/rpm/stlrpm2011.htm. 
The Gateway Center Website is available at http://www.gatewaycenter.com/for more
information and directions.
 
If you're coming, can you please send us a quick e-mail and let us know?
  

John Golden
O'Fallon, IL


Re: 2011 St. Louis RPM Meet - Hotel Information

wlhoss@...
 

John,

I will be there. I hope to have a table next year after I get caught up
and have more kits of interest to this type of modeler i.e. passenger cars,
cabooses and possibly freight cars.


Regards,

Bill

Lake Junction Models, LLC
sales@...
lakejunctionmodels.com

In a message dated 6/22/2011 6:34:29 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
golden1014@... writes:

Gentlemen,

<snip> If you're coming, can you please send us a quick e-mail and let us
know?

John Golden
O'Fallon, IL


Re: Nomenclature - Boxcar or Box Car?

North Model Railroad Supplies <nmrs@...>
 

Mike Brock wrote
Un for tu nate ly I can re call the "dis cus sions" here re gard ing "so
lid",
"plain", and "fric tion" jour nal bear ings. Rich ard led the charge to use
the
more "pro per" term "plain" or "sol id" bear ing due to use in the pro to
type
rail road me dia of our per i od.







When I worked in the motor trade we always called engine bearings (which are
of the same conceptual design) plain bearings, so I'm with Richard 100%.

Interestingly enough, when you read later Santa Fe Folio Diagrams (my set is
from 1984) the term used is Friction Bearings.

I am certainly NOT suggesting a change or that the discussion even be
revived, only that terms can change over time.

As a kid, I listened to the wireless.

I now listen to the radio.

For THIS list, I agree that plain or solid bearings is appropriate.

Cheers

Dave North


Re: CGW covered hopper (was Re: NYC PS-2 covered hopper...)

Tim O'Connor
 

Ah! (It helps to change the subject line.)

I'd like a model of those -- C&NW also had a bunch -- and B&O
had them too (class N-43). Know of any other owners?

Tim O'Connor

Thanks Tim. The car I was inquiring about was CGW
>> Clark Propst


Re: NYC PS-2 covered hopper...

Clark Propst
 

Thanks Tim. The car I was inquiring about was CGW
Clark Propst

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Clark, how different was it than the NYC PS-2's Kadee already did?

http://www.kadee.com/ca/ps2/jpg/8644l.jpg
http://www.kadee.com/ca/ps2/jpg/8645l.jpg

Tim O'Connor


---------------------------------------------------

I send a photo of what appeared to be a PS-2 to Sam Clarke asking him if
they'd consider the scheme. He replied that it was a Greenville built car.
Clark Propst


Boston Library Flickr photos

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I thought there were a few more interesting shots in the Boston Library
collection. Here's a few. All Steam Era freight cars, for sure.

SGL



http://www.flickr.com/photos/boston_public_library/5786335705/in/photostream
/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/boston_public_library/5786326237/sizes/l/in/pho
tostream/


Interesting mix of hoppers; C&I, DL&W, Reading, plus CN boxcar, or box car.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/boston_public_library/5786333225/sizes/l/in/pho
tostream/

NH overturned - love glass plate negatives!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/boston_public_library/5786332817/sizes/l/in/pho
tostream/

BR&P gon, hopper bottom? And feel for the signal maintainer fixing the
rods. A lot of work coming up for him.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/boston_public_library/5786888180/sizes/l/in/pho
tostream/

Aerial tricks. Is that a Long Island gon on the right?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/boston_public_library/5786326959/sizes/l/in/pho
tostream/


MDT reefer plus friends.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/boston_public_library/5786322019/sizes/l/in/pho
tostream/






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Re: Nomenclature - Boxcar or Box Car?

nvrr49 <nvrr49@...>
 

Quite enjoyable reading, and quite possibly, the largest waste of time this year. LOL

Kent in KC
nvrr49.blogspot.com

--- In STMFC@..., John Golden <golden1014@...> wrote:

Gentlemen,

I've often seen both terms in print--"box car" and "boxcar".  I have always felt
that boxcar was incorrect use of the English language since use of the
term would lead to words such as tankcar and hoppercar and flat car.  However I
routinely see the term boxcar in both the professional and hobby press.  Can
anyone cite an English language reason why we would use such a term?

Yes, I know the English language isn't perfect--that argument doesn't count.

Wikipedia lists the term as "boxcar" and then describes it as a "goods van". 
Following the logic, wouldn't that therefore be goodsvan?  And why stop
there--why not railroadcar or switchpoint or tieplate? 


Help me stop the madness.  If Ben can stop the United States from using dashes,
then maybe together we can stop MS Word from spellchecking box car to boxcar.

John
 
John Golden
O'Fallon, IL
 
2011 St. Louis RPM Meet Info:
http://icg.home.mindspring.com/rpm/stlrpm2011.htm


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Leave HO for S for modeling ease

Bob McCarthy
 

Good evening!

      Well some of us that were in Sn3 for thirty years made the change to standard guage S.  If you think about it Sn3 is approximately (slightly nand narrower) than HO.

      Building cars in S is so much easier than HO that it is amazing.  Went into Sn3 from HO in 1975 into S in 2003.  Glad I did.  Do all modeling in Scale S with code 83 track on mainline and code 70 on sidings.

    Just my experience.  By the way if you think a SMMW kit is great in HO, yo!u should see them in S.

Thanks,

Bob McCarthy

--- On Wed, 6/22/11, Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...> wrote:

From: Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: 2 kits "in the works"
To: "STMFC List" <STMFC@...>
Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 1:48 AM







 









If I were to start my Rock Island modeling over in a new scale, it would be

S.



--

Thanks!



Brian Paul Ehni



From: dreestho <dreesthomas@...>

Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>

Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 01:40:15 -0000

To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>

Subject: [STMFC] Re: 2 kits "in the works"



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"smokymtn28805" <jimking3@...> wrote:

S scale is not a "weirdo" scale; it's market is just much than the "Big 3"
(HO, N, O). S scale has a very devout following of builders.



Out of curiosity, what proportion of S scale modellers would you suppose to

be in Sn3 (vs standard gauge)?



David Rees-Thomas



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Re: 2 kits "in the works"

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

If I were to start my Rock Island modeling over in a new scale, it would be
S.

--
Thanks!

Brian Paul Ehni

From: dreestho <dreesthomas@...>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 01:40:15 -0000
To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: 2 kits "in the works"






--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"smokymtn28805" <jimking3@...> wrote:

S scale is not a "weirdo" scale; it's market is just much than the "Big 3"
(HO, N, O). S scale has a very devout following of builders.

Out of curiosity, what proportion of S scale modellers would you suppose to
be in Sn3 (vs standard gauge)?

David Rees-Thomas









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Re: 2 kits "in the works"

dreestho
 

--- In STMFC@..., "smokymtn28805" <jimking3@...> wrote:

S scale is not a "weirdo" scale; it's market is just much than the "Big 3" (HO, N, O). S scale has a very devout following of builders.
Out of curiosity, what proportion of S scale modellers would you suppose to be in Sn3 (vs standard gauge)?

David Rees-Thomas


Re: 2 kits "in the works"

Scott Pitzer
 

All right, I'll give in after all these years and learn how to do the emoticons for winks and all that.
A friend shared with me that she just learned "jk" indicates "just kidding"-- which is a bit of an issue for her, because those are her initials...
Scott Pitzer
On Jun 21, 2011, at 5:35 PM, "smokymtn28805" <jimking3@...> wrote:

S scale is not a "weirdo" scale; it's market is just much than the "Big 3" (HO, N, O). S scale has a very devout following of builders.

7+ years ago I produced


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Re: 2 kits "in the works"

Jim King
 

S scale is not a "weirdo" scale; it's market is just much than the "Big 3" (HO, N, O). S scale has a very devout following of builders.

7+ years ago I produced two O scale kits but that market didn't materialize and I moved into S where I have been ever since. Personally, I model in HO because the availability of common HO items, like brake gear, steps, etc., and great variety of RTR diesels is not available in S and I don't want to spend the little bit of free time scratchbuilding things that are easily bought in HO. S has frequently been referred to as "the perfect scale" because of its balance between size and detail. Unfortunately, the vast majority of modelers, regardless of scale, think that S scale means American Flyer (and O scale means 3-rail Lionel). That misconception and the lack of variety in motive power and rolling stock compared to more popular scales have limited S scale's potential growth over the years.

Given the very small size of S scale compared to others, I have been very pleased with the support of those niche modelers and will continue producing kits in HO and S.

Jim King
SMMW


Re: 2 kits "in the works"

Dennis Williams
 

You can count me in on one of the Sals.  I enjoyed building the TC boxcar and the Southern gons.  When will the silver gons coming back??  Count me in for one of each 9red and green lettering).
Dennis Williams/ Owner
www.resinbuilders4u.com

--- On Tue, 6/21/11, SMMW <jimking3@...> wrote:


From: SMMW <jimking3@...>
Subject: [STMFC] 2 kits "in the works"
To: ACL-SAL-SCLmodeler@..., RPM-forum@..., STMFC@..., "EL Group" <ErieLackawannaRR@...>
Date: Tuesday, June 21, 2011, 9:26 AM


 



For those modeling the SAL, I'm pleased to announce the forthcoming B-7
"turtleback" roof 40' boxcar with Silver Meteor decals specifically designed
for this kit. All of the drawings and photos are in-hand; design will start
in July. Retail price is $49 including t/c/decals.

The 2nd kit is an Erie-Lackawanna transfer caboose. Design is about 1/3
done with this but will follow the SAL box in production. The kit will be
comprised of a 1-pc body (deck/frame/house), separate roof, a combination of
etched and formed wire for railings, urethane pipe fittings (cored for
wire), trucks, couplers and Prime Mover decals. Retail price is $65.

Proto pix of both items are on my web site.

Contact me off list to place a no-money-required reservation, ask questions,
provide suggestions for future offerings, etc.

Jim King

Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

Ph. (828) 777-5619

<www.smokymountainmodelworks.com>

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Re: 2 kits "in the works"

michael bishop <goldrod_1@...>
 

The web site lists the kits as "HO"
 
www.smokymountainmodelworks.com
 
Michael Bishop

--- On Tue, 6/21/11, Scott Pitzer <scottp459@...> wrote:


From: Scott Pitzer <scottp459@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] 2 kits "in the works"
To: "STMFC@..." <STMFC@...>
Date: Tuesday, June 21, 2011, 1:57 PM


 



Good question... doesn't this guy have a history of producing models in those weirdo scales?
Scott Pitzer

On Jun 21, 2011, at 10:29 AM, Rhbale@... wrote:

Should we assume HO scale?

Richard
(http://www.model-railroad-hobbyist.com/)

In a message dated 6/21/2011 9:26:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
jimking3@... writes:

For those modeling the SAL, I'm pleased to announce the forthcoming B-7
"turtleback" roof 40' boxcar with Silver Meteor decals specifically
designed
for this kit. All of the drawings and photos are in-hand; design will start
in July. Retail price is $

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Re: 2 kits "in the works"

Scott Pitzer
 

Good question... doesn't this guy have a history of producing models in those weirdo scales?
Scott Pitzer

On Jun 21, 2011, at 10:29 AM, Rhbale@... wrote:

Should we assume HO scale?

Richard
(http://www.model-railroad-hobbyist.com/)

In a message dated 6/21/2011 9:26:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
jimking3@... writes:

For those modeling the SAL, I'm pleased to announce the forthcoming B-7
"turtleback" roof 40' boxcar with Silver Meteor decals specifically
designed
for this kit. All of the drawings and photos are in-hand; design will start
in July. Retail price is $

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Re: Nomenclature - Boxcar or Box Car?

Tim O'Connor
 

Pieter

Not a trick, as I already explained --

Search for .... box* *car under* *frame*

This will uncover 460 messages containing all four of the above text strings,
including many "false positives" (i.e. messages not really about underframes)

You can eliminate 170 of the messages by adding the filter " -truck " ( NOT truck )

Tim O'Connor

---------------------------------

The trick remains in deciding what term to use in searching (say, the STMFC archives)
for posts on 'boxcar under frames', or 'box car underframes' or ...
Pieter Roos
Connecticut


Re: Nomenclature - Boxcar or Box Car?

Tim O'Connor
 

Mike Brock wrote

Un for tu nate ly I can re call the "dis cus sions" here re gard ing "so lid",
"plain", and "fric tion" jour nal bear ings. Rich ard led the charge to use the
more "pro per" term "plain" or "sol id" bear ing due to use in the pro to type
rail road me dia of our per i od.

Mikebrock,Iwasexperimentingwithseparationbetweensyllablesofeverywordasapossible
solutiontothisterminologicalconundrumbutthenIrealizedweprobablywouldnotallbeable
toagreeonwheretoputthesyllableboundaries.Yoursinparsinghell,TimO'Connor


Re: NYC PS-2 covered hopper...

Tim O'Connor
 

Clark, how different was it than the NYC PS-2's Kadee already did?

http://www.kadee.com/ca/ps2/jpg/8644l.jpg
http://www.kadee.com/ca/ps2/jpg/8645l.jpg

Tim O'Connor


---------------------------------------------------

I send a photo of what appeared to be a PS-2 to Sam Clarke asking him if
they'd consider the scheme. He replied that it was a Greenville built car.
Clark Propst


CNJ dry transfers (was Re: LV Steam Era Decals)

Pieter Roos
 

Hi Steve;

I can't help on the 268 (Camelback) set, but if you are willing to use decals, Model Railroad Warehouse has a set for CNJ freight cars in HO

"CNJ Decal Set
Code: 772-4470D
Price: $10.95

Correct Statue of Liberty 3 sizes; Numbers data for 12 CNJ car types: hoppers, gons, covered hoppers, flats & boxcars. Does 4 cars"

I hope that helps.

Pieter Roos
Connecticut

--- In STMFC@..., "Stephan" <steve_wintner@...> wrote:

Matt, thanks for the link. My order has been placed :-)

As it happens I also need some CNJ transfers - CDS sets 119, 120 and 268 - all of which are no longer in stock at TMR.

They are also out of stock or not listed at every other site I turn up vie google.

If anyone has any leads on any of those sets, I'd appreciate hearing about it.

Thanks in advance
Steve

--- In STMFC@..., "Matthew" <mforsyth127@> wrote:

Joel Holmes wrote:

Hi John,
Thank you for the information. However, I cannot bring up a web site for CDS. Do you have a web site or an address?

Joel,

The correct address for TMR is:

http://www.canadasouthern.com/tmr/CDS.htm

I count three available CDS sets for steam-era freight cars, and the twin hopper is one of them.

Matt Forsyth

Modeling the D&H Penn Division
Erie Jefferson Division
in Proto48
Late Summer of 1952

http://mattforsyth.com/