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Re: Rapido Meat Reefer
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Bill Schneider wrote:
However, and for clarification, we're not doing any of the "billboard" schemes in the classic sense on the Rapido meat reefers. All of our schemes are based on prototype photos of GARX cars, which means taken in the late (very late) 1930s through the 1960s.The ICC ruling on billboard cars outlawed new application of billboard schemes in 1934 and required existing ones to be removed by the end of 1937. Since the Rapido cars are models of a 1937-built prototype, their accurate schemes clearly are not "classic" billboard schemes. To clarify a misunderstanding of some modelers: the billboard ruling was aimed mostly at leasing abuses, with the advertising issue a very minor part of the total. Since the entire ruling was aimed at LEASED cars and misuse of leasing and mileage arrangements, it's a mistake to compare the billboard ruling with lettering practices of the railroads. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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Re: Rapido Meat Reefer
soolinehistory <destorzek@...>
--- In STMFC@..., William Keene <wakeene@...> wrote:
PC&F built cars from the early to mid fifties; my notes show: FHIX 40001-40960 (the FGE "high insulation" mark) WHIX 70000-70999 BREX 76250-76349 MNX 2315-2464 (National Car Co. meat reefers) There are other series that are close, but have slightly different door hardware. Dennis |
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Re: Rapido Meat Reefer
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Jim Betz wrote:
Only cars that were owned by the meat/whatever companies and were used in "captive service" were allowed to continue after theJim, this rant is entirely based on your own imagination. The "advertising companies" were in no way involved. It was the leasing companies who were providing the billboard paint schemes to lessees, for free, which the ICC found to be a rebate in the legal sense. The railroads were OPPOSED to the billboard cars, because the leasing arrangements caused a lot of empty mileage, at railroad expense. Perhaps you would like to read the actual history, well presented in the book by Hendrickson and Kaminski (full disclosure: which we published). And BTW, there was no "court case," but there were a whole series of ICC hearings. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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Re: Rapido Meat Reefer
Bill Schneider
Jim,
The details and limitations of the billboard era have been discussed numerous times on this and other lists, and your warning is well founded for many models currently on the market. However, and for clarification, we're not doing any of the "billboard" schemes in the classic sense on the Rapido meat reefers. All of our schemes are based on prototype photos of GARX cars, which means taken in the late (very late) 1930s through the 1960s. The closest cars to what might be considered "billbaord" lettering would be the Swift, Oscar Mayer, Hygrades, Kingan and Dubuque cars, and all of these are documented late 1940s or later schemes. A full list of the schemes and appropriate dates can be found at http://www.rapidotrains.com/reefer2.html Bill Schneider Rapido Trains From: Jim Betz Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 11:50 AM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Re: Rapido Meat Reefer Hi, Be careful about running "billboard reefers" - if your layout has an "era". There was a big flap about them in the 30's and by about 1937 they were essentially "gone". Not the reefers themselves - but those fabulous paint schemes. Only cars that were owned by the meat/whatever companies and were used in "captive service" were allowed to continue after the court case settled in favor of the advertising companies (who owned the billboards along the highways, who sold space on them ... which is exactly what the RRs were doing ... so the only 'real' difference was that the cars were moving and the billboards were not ... but the law doesn't have to be 'intelligent' - it just has to be obeyed. So the bottom line is that if the car is owned by the meat company (i.e. if it has a reporting mark such as "RATHX") then it can run on our steam/transition era layouts. Ooops - if we are talking transition era then the use of the billboards - and of any form of pre-mech, wood construction reefers is also something that is "soon to be something we wish hadn't disappeared so fast or so soon/early". I study freight car pics a lot (but not as much as I wish I did). It is relatively rare to see a "billboard" car in any pic taken after the start of WWII ... and even much rarer after the war. Unless you are talking about the local that was on the way to/from the meat packing plants. - Jim |
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Re: Rapido Meat Reefer
Hmmmmm.... no offense Dennis, but I was hoping for something a -little-
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more, um, detailed. What prototype is yours -- WFE/FGE? Tim O' Sorry to wake you. :-) Ok, how about a nice 40 foot plug door ice reeferNo, but we're close! :-) |
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Re: Rapido Meat Reefer
William Keene <wakeene@...>
Hello Dennis,
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What is the prototype of this soon to arrive 40-ft plug door reefer? Cheers, Bill Keene Irvine, CA On Jul 18, 2011, at 8:57 AM, soolinehistory wrote:
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Re: Rapido Meat Reefer
soolinehistory <destorzek@...>
--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
No, but we're close! :-) http://accurail.com/accurail/8500.htm Dennis Storzek Accurail, Inc. |
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Re: Rapido Meat Reefer
Sorry to wake you. :-) Ok, how about a nice 40 foot plug door ice reefer
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from the 1950's? Nobody has done one of those yet. Tim O'Connor At 7/18/2011 07:10 AM Monday, you wrote:
Sorry.... What? ;>) |
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Re: Rapido Meat Reefer
Hi,
Be careful about running "billboard reefers" - if your layout has an "era". There was a big flap about them in the 30's and by about 1937 they were essentially "gone". Not the reefers themselves - but those fabulous paint schemes. Only cars that were owned by the meat/whatever companies and were used in "captive service" were allowed to continue after the court case settled in favor of the advertising companies (who owned the billboards along the highways, who sold space on them ... which is exactly what the RRs were doing ... so the only 'real' difference was that the cars were moving and the billboards were not ... but the law doesn't have to be 'intelligent' - it just has to be obeyed. So the bottom line is that if the car is owned by the meat company (i.e. if it has a reporting mark such as "RATHX") then it can run on our steam/transition era layouts. Ooops - if we are talking transition era then the use of the billboards - and of any form of pre-mech, wood construction reefers is also something that is "soon to be something we wish hadn't disappeared so fast or so soon/early". I study freight car pics a lot (but not as much as I wish I did). It is relatively rare to see a "billboard" car in any pic taken after the start of WWII ... and even much rarer after the war. Unless you are talking about the local that was on the way to/from the meat packing plants. - Jim |
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Re: B&O M53 Wagontop Boxcar Kit by Wright Trak - Instructions Needed
Jim King
Mike and all,
The M53 instructions were supposed to be converted to a .pdf before burning to the CD, per my recommendation to Gary Wright. This would be done to (1) reduce the file size and (2) prevent others from editing the document and photos. I created the patterns, cast the parts and wrote the instructions, so if you have any questions that you can't get Wright Trak to answer, ask me. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. Ph. (828) 777-5619 <www.smokymountainmodelworks.com> |
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Re: Rapido Meat Reefer
Bill Schneider
Sorry.... What? ;>)
Bill From: Tim O'Connor Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 11:30 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Rapido Meat Reefer Ya know, if those rebuilt GARX reefers were common to several owners, it would make for a nice follow-up model especially for those of us whose modeling only BEGINS with the late 1950's... Bill, you listening? :-) Tim O'Connor You might wish to look at Dorin's EJ&E book, or at Gene Green'sAh, I'd forgotten about that photo. However, it shows a GARX car |
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Question about SRLX all-steel reefer
Andrew Jeanes
Hi,
I recently came across this B&W photo of SRLX 15689, an all-steel reefer that I assume is painted in the Swift red colour scheme. http://www.images.technomuses.ca/searchpf.php?id=230845&lang=en The photo is identified as having been taken in Smiths Falls, Ontario in 1956. Were these all-steel cars used in meat service, like the upcoming Rapido GARX 37' reefers? Would these cars commonly have been used in cross-border commerce between the U.S. and Canada in the 1950s? Regards, Andrew |
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Re: Rapido Meat Reefer
brian k. dick
Tim, thanks for reminding me about the EJ&E's rebuilt ends and roof. I had noticed them also when I first bought both books, but had forgotten about them since then in my eagerness for a model. My mistake, Brian Dick.
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Re: Rapido Meat Reefer
Find a photo of one in CN, CP, or VIA and we'll probably get one. J
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Brian J. Carlson, P.E. Cheektowaga, NY From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 11:31 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Rapido Meat Reefer Ya know, if those rebuilt GARX reefers were common to several owners, it would make for a nice follow-up model especially for those of us whose modeling only BEGINS with the late 1950's... Bill, you listening? :-) Tim O'Connor You might wish to look at Dorin's EJ&E book, or at Gene Green'sAh, I'd forgotten about that photo. However, it shows a GARX car |
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Re: Rapido Meat Reefer
Ya know, if those rebuilt GARX reefers were common to several owners,
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it would make for a nice follow-up model especially for those of us whose modeling only BEGINS with the late 1950's... Bill, you listening? :-) Tim O'Connor You might wish to look at Dorin's EJ&E book, or at Gene Green'sAh, I'd forgotten about that photo. However, it shows a GARX car |
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Re: Colour match for the Rutland
Richard Hendrickson
On Jul 17, 2011, at 5:54 PM, roblmclear wrote:
Can someone please advise me when the small red star started toRob, the rectangular Armour logo with the red star at the upper right corner first appeared in 1951. Richard Hendrickson |
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Re: Rapido Meat Reefer
Richard Hendrickson
On Jul 17, 2011, at 3:03 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:
Richard Hendrickson wrote:Ah, I'd forgotten about that photo. However, it shows a GARX carNot unless you have prototype photos of a 1930s GATC 37' woodYou might wish to look at Dorin's EJ&E book, or at Gene Green's very late in life (and after the period covered by this list), after having been rebuilt with steel ends and roof and oversize doors, as Tim pointed out, Apart from a vague dimensional similarity, it was nothing like the cars represented by the Rapido model. Richard Hendrickson |
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Re: Rapido Meat Reefer
Bill Schneider
Brian,
Yes. Both (eventually). We have not produced the first run yet, so certainly have not finalized any additional schemes. The best way to ensure that they happen is to order plenty of any appropriate schemes from the first run! As for the EJ&E version... have a photo? If so, send to me off list! Bill From: Brian Dick Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 3:06 PM To: stmfc@... Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Rapido Meat Reefer Bill, I am asking just to avoid some confusion here. Are you planning to do the earlier yellow and black lettering scheme or the 1948 interm scheme, yellow and black lettering with the red and white Swift emblem to the right side of the car door? One more question, is there any chance of an EJ&E painted reefer coming out in the future? Thank you for your efforts in getting these cars out to us modelers, Brian Dick. To: mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com |
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Re: Colour match for the Rutland
roblmclear <rob.mclear3@...>
Pierre
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Actually the Americans have it right, they took the spelling back to the old English way of doing things before the changes were made in the English along the way, according to a History Channel program on the English Language, done by the Brits themselves...Anyway I digress as well and now for the Freight car content... Can someone please advise me when the small red star started to appear on the Armour Meat Reefers, I think it was in the 50's but as I model the late 1940's (1947) I would like some idea of a date, thanks and regards Rob McLear. --- In STMFC@..., "Pierre" <pierre.oliver@...> wrote:
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Re: Rapido Meat Reefer
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Tim O'Connor wrote:
Twue, twue... However, that EJ&E reefer (page 48) has steel ends and a steel roof, as well as a taller door opening. The same photo appears (albeit black & white) in Dorin's book.You musta got a defective copy, Tim, but we'll be glad to exchange it. Most other copies have that photo in color <g>. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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