Then you would need to add the SFRD to the ATSF and the FGEX to all the member roads.

Rich Orr






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From: mike brock <brockm@...>
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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Underrepresented roads and car types


Tony Thompson writes:

What's all this UP sensitivity? It's an interesting and in some
ways glamorous railroad, but stands around 14th or 15th in terms of
size of freight car fleet, as of the early 1950s.

Yes, but doesn't it make sense to add PFE cars to the UP...and SP...numbers?
Certainly such cars were extremely important to UP and SP and, of course,
there is the ownership factor.

Mike Brock



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What's all this UP sensitivity? It's an interesting and in some
ways glamorous railroad, but stands around 14th or 15th in terms of
size of freight car fleet, as of the early 1950s.

Sunshine resin kit would probably do.

Jerry Michels

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What's all this UP sensitivity? It's an interesting and in some
ways glamorous railroad, but stands around 14th or 15th in terms of
size of freight car fleet, as of the early 1950s.

Brian,
We are not sure how much the membership will embrace the modeling, but if they don't there won't be a Society in a few years. The people who worked on the NYC and occupy Board positions today will be gone in 10 – 20 years. If we can't get modelers interested, we will be gone.
There are two Yahoo Groups where you can get info - newyorkcentralsystem & BigFour Route. There will be a new one starting soon that will be of interest NYC modelers. It should be up and running in a week or so.
Thanks, Noel

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. . . We will only be as successful if we have articles from modelers. -Noel <

Noel,

From a Midwesterner who is captivated by upstate New York and New England topography and history, I (selfishly) wish you high success. I moved on from the Boston & Albany (to the B&M and CV) as a modeling subject when I discovered how difficult it is -- for me, anyway -- to dredge up NYC information.

So, a question if I may: Do you have a membership that is now ready to embrace modeling as a way to preserve NYC history? Or, are you and a few others hoping to develop an interest in modeling that is, at the moment, lacking?

A few years ago, I posted a question or two about the B&A at the NYC-Railroad yahoo group and received zero responses. This, in combination with finding little other B&A information online, motivated me to leave the B&A behind.

(I have collected a large amount of B&A documentation from the Conrail era, but my modeling focus is the 1950s. Which means the double-track B&A is a problem for me. . . .)

BTW, is the NYC-Railroad the leading NYC information forum out there?

Thanks much,

Brian Chapman
Evansdale, Iowa

Are we doing all of this AGAIN?

The "population tables" are most useful for figuring out the proper
mix of box cars and reefers on class 1 railroad mainlines, excepting
whatever "home road" is being modeled.

The tables should not include coal hoppers, or gondolas used mostly
for coal, sand, and gravel.

I think the above is consistent with Tim Gilbert's studies of freight
car distribution in the immediate postwar era.

Mike, I can't agree with your statement. If I model the C&O in West
Virginia, I may have a few N&W or PRR or B&O hoppers, but not many at
all, and vastly outnumbered by C&O hoppers. Unlike the box cars which
roamed freely and more or less "randomly" (per Gilbert), hoppers (in
general) moved less freely.

Tim O'Connor

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Being one who models west of the Mississippi, I concor with Richard's point.
However, for those modeling east of that river, hoppers play a significant
role...even more than that in the Appalachian region running from Alabama
into New England. If one models just about any RR in that area, one will
need many N&W, WM, L&N, B&O, C&O, Pennsy, and even NYC hoppers. So, the rule
for determining frt car population changes when one changes location.

Mike Brock

Being one who models west of the Mississippi, I concor with Richard's point.
However, for those modeling east of that river, hoppers play a significant
role...even more than that in the Appalachian region running from Alabama
into New England. If one models just about any RR in that area, one will
need many N&W, WM, L&N, B&O, C&O, Pennsy, and even NYC hoppers. So, the rule
for determining frt car population changes when one changes location.

Mike Brock

On May 16, 2011, at 5:34 PM, soolinehistory wrote:

he Car Builder's Cyclopedia started life as the Car Builder's
Dictionary, with the express purpose of standardizing the
terminology. As such, I tend to use, and stand by, the definitions
it gives. Here is what the 1980 edition says, picked up, I'm sure,
from earlier editions:

"Fish-Belly Sill. A term used to describe a type of center sill
construction consisting of shallow sections at each end with
transitions to a deeper section at the center. Fish-belly sills are
often used on long cars which need heavier sections at the center."

Note it doesn't say how much deeper the section is, and I would
assume the intent that anything other than structural shapes that
pass through the bolster could be considered a "fish-belly sill" if
the section increases somewhere between the bolsters.

Thanks, Dennis. After my earlier post on this subject, I went
looking further and found in the 1953 CBCyc this shorter definition:
"Fish-belly sill. A type of heavy, deep, built up side or center
sill. Profile resembles that of a fish, hence the name." The use of
the word "heavy" here would seem to exclude a shallow fishbelly sill,
whereas the 1980 definition would include sills with a shallower
section between the bolsters."


Richard Hendrickson



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