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Re: Accurail 41' gon
Clark Propst
No, for CGW.
Clark Propst
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Re: Circa 1950 50 ft.6 in. AAR Automobile Boxcar Decals
Clark Propst
You might see if Oddballs has something that might work? His decals are on sale for 50% off right now.
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Clark propst
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Re: Accurail 41' gon: NC&StL, L&N, SOU, IC, C&O, & CRR; Not!
mopacfirst
I remember a Richard Hendrickson post on this subject. Don't have time to search for it, but I know if your search returned that many posts you may have not got the right ones.
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Ron Merrick
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Re: Accurail 41' gon
Michael Aufderheide
MON is a foobie.
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--- On Sun, 5/8/11, Schuyler Larrabee <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:
From: Schuyler Larrabee <schuyler.larrabee@...> Subject: [STMFC] Accurail 41' gon To: STMFC@... Date: Sunday, May 8, 2011, 10:07 PM Â OK, I did what I'm supposed to and went to the list archives and read through a couple hundred posts that result from a search for the topic I have in the subject line. I was looking for a good listing of what roads the model accurately represents, and what roads it is a "well, not spot on but not too bad" model, and what are "Foobies." Accurail offers a long list of roads. I did this a few days ago, and what I recall is that C&NW had gons pretty close to this model. And there were a couple other candidates for near miss models. But did we ever establish the full list of "accurate for . . . ." roads? If I managed to miss the summary post listing them all, please give me the post number and I'll go quietly. But if not, can we do that? SGL Candidate roads from Accurail listing: D&RGW CNW T&P D&H GM&O PRR SP ACL C&O MP GN NP CN SF C&NW (black) SBD SP&S DM&IR N&W NYC WAB PM KGB&W SOU L&N MON NKP Frisco MC NH B&M W&LE CofG Virginian B&O DL&W WP CNJ UP B&LE RDG IC LV RUT T&NO CCC&StL P&LE MP ERIE RI WM NC&StL DT&I MKT CGW ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.17460) http://www.pctools.com/ ======= [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Thermal Conductivity of Insulating Materials used in Railway Refrigerator Cars table
Bill Welch
I am not sure pasting a Word created table in an email to the list
will work but Mike B. thought it would so here goes. Source: Railway Review; June 10, 1922; “The Insulation of Railway Refrigerator Cars;” page 852 Thermal Conductivity of Insulating Materials used in Railway Refrigerator Cars Material Remarks Thermal Conductivity[1] Density[2] Air If no heat is transferred by radiation or convection 4.2 0.08 Colorax Fluffy mineral powder 5.3 4.0 Kapok Hollow vegetable fibres, loosely packed 5.7 0.88 Pure Wool 5.9 6.9 Pure Wool 5.9 6.3 Hair Felt Fibers perpendicular to heat flow 5.9 17.0 Pure Wool 6.3 5.0 Slag Wool Loosely packed 6.3 12.0 Keystone Hair Hair felt and other fibres, confined with building paper 6.5 19.0 Mineral Wool Loosely packed 6.5 12.0 Corkboard No artificial binder, low density 6.5 6.9 Mineral Wool Fibers perpendicular to hear flow 6.9 18.0 Cotton Wool Medium packed 7.0 5.0 Pure Wool Very loose packing, probably air circulation through material 7.0 2.5 Insulite Pressed wood pulp 7.1 12.0 Mineral Wool Firmly packed 7.1 21.0 Linofelt Vegetable fiber confined with paper, flexible and soft 7.2 11.3 Ground Cork Less than 1/16 inch 7.1 9.4 Corkboard No artificial binder 7.3 9.9 Balsa Wood Very light wood, cross grain 7.5 7.1 Balsa Wood Same sample with 13% waterproofing compounds 8.3 8.0 Flaxlinum Felted vegetable fibers 7.9 11.0 Fibrofelt Felted vegetable fibers 7.9 11.0 Rock Cork Mineral wool and binder 7.9 16.0 Balsa Wood Across grain, untreated 8.3 7.4 Corkboard With bituminous binder 8.4 16.0 Balsa Wood Medium weight wood 9.2 8.8 Sawdust Various 9.7 12.0 Air Cell (½-inch) Corrugated asbestos paper, enclosing air spaces 11.0 8.8 Air Cell (1-inch) Corrugated asbestos paper, enclosing air spaces 12.0 8.8 Asbestos Paper Built up of thin layers 12.0 31.0 Balsa Wood Heavy 14.0 20.0 Fire Felt Sheet Asbestos sheet, coated with cement 14.0 26.0 Fire Felt Roll Flexible Asbestos sheet 15.0 43.0 Cypress Across grain 16.0 29.0 Asphalt Roofing Felt saturated with asphalt 17.0 55.0 White Pine Across grain 19.0 32.0 Mahogany Across grain 22.0 34.0 Oak Across grain 24.0 38.0 Maple Across grain 27.0 44.0 Virginia Pine Across grain 23.0 34.0 [1] Thermal Conductivity in B.t.u. per day (24 hour) per square foot per degree Fahrenheit per inch thickness. [2] Density, pound per cubic ft. The only comment I will offer is that "air" may have been included for comparison. At one point some Railroad Mechanical Engineers believed it was possible to build wood cars with air-tight spaces. The absurdity of this concept was exploded by the extensive tests conducted by the USDA and published by them in 1918 in "Refrigeration in Transit" by Dr. Mary Engle Pennington. Bill Welch 2225 Nursery Road; #20-104 Clearwater, FL 33764-7622 727.470.9930 fgexbill@...
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Re: Accurail 41' gon: NC&StL, L&N, SOU, IC, C&O, & CRR; Not!
Bill Welch
The Accurail does not resemble the 40-ft. gons owned by the NC&StL, L&N, SOU, IC, C&O, and CRR beyond the fact they are are all nominally forty-feet long. I don't have my photos of Virginian gons in front of me but I am pretty sure they are not a match either.
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Re: Accurail 41' gon
Larry Sexton
ACL, SCL (carry over into post merger), T&P, C of Ga (with minor work).
Don't know about others except that D&H isn't a match. Larry Sexton From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 11:08 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Accurail 41' gon OK, I did what I'm supposed to and went to the list archives and read through a couple hundred posts that result from a search for the topic I have in the subject line. I was looking for a good listing of what roads the model accurately represents, and what roads it is a "well, not spot on but not too bad" model, and what are "Foobies." Accurail offers a long list of roads. I did this a few days ago, and what I recall is that C&NW had gons pretty close to this model. And there were a couple other candidates for near miss models. But did we ever establish the full list of "accurate for . . . ." roads? If I managed to miss the summary post listing them all, please give me the post number and I'll go quietly. But if not, can we do that? SGL Candidate roads from Accurail listing: D&RGW CNW T&P D&H GM&O PRR SP ACL C&O MP GN NP CN SF C&NW (black) SBD SP&S DM&IR N&W NYC WAB PM KGB&W SOU L&N MON NKP Frisco MC NH B&M W&LE CofG Virginian B&O DL&W WP CNJ UP B&LE RDG IC LV RUT T&NO CCC&StL P&LE MP ERIE RI WM NC&StL DT&I MKT CGW ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.17460) http://www.pctools.com/ =======
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Re: new reefer books
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Ed Mines wrote:
Has there been any news about the MDT & FGE reefer books supposedly being written?The MDT book is done at the author's end and is close to being off to the printer (see our web site, URL below, for updates on progress). We have recently had submitted to us a book about ART, which looks excellent and which I feel sure we will publish. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: PFE Reefer...Too Many Doors?
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Bob Chaparro wrote:
Is it just my old eyes or does this look like a PFE reefer with two sets of doors on one side? I believe this is a Class R-40-30 mechanical reefer.See page 149 of the PFE book. Well known car, Bob, and NOT a mechanical reefer! Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Accurail 41' gon
rwitt_2000
The model lettered for the B&O is a "Foobie". It is lettered for a
series of rebuilt B&O class O-27 that were clones of the USRA 70-ton mill gondola (e.g. the Westerfield and Walthers models). After about 1940 the B&O open-top car fleet consisted of self-clearing hopper cars and mill gondolas with an IL of 46-ft and longer. Bob Witt --------------------------------- Schuyler Larrabee wrote: I have in the subject line.pretty close to this model. And there were a couple other candidates fornear miss models.roads? the post number and I'll go quietly. But if not, can we do that?
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Re: Accurail 41' gon
seaboard_1966
It is an acl car. Thus a scl car as well.
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From: Schuyler Larrabee Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 11:07 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Accurail 41' gon OK, I did what I'm supposed to and went to the list archives and read through a couple hundred posts that result from a search for the topic I have in the subject line. I was looking for a good listing of what roads the model accurately represents, and what roads it is a "well, not spot on but not too bad" model, and what are "Foobies." Accurail offers a long list of roads. I did this a few days ago, and what I recall is that C&NW had gons pretty close to this model. And there were a couple other candidates for near miss models. But did we ever establish the full list of "accurate for . . . ." roads? If I managed to miss the summary post listing them all, please give me the post number and I'll go quietly. But if not, can we do that? SGL Candidate roads from Accurail listing: D&RGW CNW T&P D&H GM&O PRR SP ACL C&O MP GN NP CN SF C&NW (black) SBD SP&S DM&IR N&W NYC WAB PM KGB&W SOU L&N MON NKP Frisco MC NH B&M W&LE CofG Virginian B&O DL&W WP CNJ UP B&LE RDG IC LV RUT T&NO CCC&StL P&LE MP ERIE RI WM NC&StL DT&I MKT CGW ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.17460) http://www.pctools.com/ ======= ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: Overland UTLX Tank Car
Ed Hawkins
On May 8, 2011, at 8:11 PM, FRANK PEACOCK wrote:
How sure are we that the cars in 27325-27824 were all built in 1930? I have a photo taken in Rawlins in Mar. 1973 of UTLX 27564 and my notes say that it was built Mar. 1920. FHP (Frank H. Peacock)Frank, Quite sure. ACF built 500 cars, UTLX 27325-27824, under lot 1054. They were 10,000-gallon ICC-103 50-ton cars. The builder's photo was taken of UTLX 27821 with a build stencil of 4-30. The 1/27 ORER lists UTLX 24000-24999 and then skips to 27825-39242. Regards, Ed Hawkins
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Accurail 41' gon
Schuyler Larrabee
OK, I did what I'm supposed to and went to the list archives and read
through a couple hundred posts that result from a search for the topic I have in the subject line. I was looking for a good listing of what roads the model accurately represents, and what roads it is a "well, not spot on but not too bad" model, and what are "Foobies." Accurail offers a long list of roads. I did this a few days ago, and what I recall is that C&NW had gons pretty close to this model. And there were a couple other candidates for near miss models. But did we ever establish the full list of "accurate for . . . ." roads? If I managed to miss the summary post listing them all, please give me the post number and I'll go quietly. But if not, can we do that? SGL Candidate roads from Accurail listing: D&RGW CNW T&P D&H GM&O PRR SP ACL C&O MP GN NP CN SF C&NW (black) SBD SP&S DM&IR N&W NYC WAB PM KGB&W SOU L&N MON NKP Frisco MC NH B&M W&LE CofG Virginian B&O DL&W WP CNJ UP B&LE RDG IC LV RUT T&NO CCC&StL P&LE MP ERIE RI WM NC&StL DT&I MKT CGW ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.17460) http://www.pctools.com/ =======
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Circa 1950 50 ft.6 in. AAR Automobile Boxcar Decals
Nelson Moyer <ku0a@...>
I'm having trouble finding a decal set for a Branchline 50 ft. 6 in. AAR 5/8
panel double door boxcar for any one of the roads listed below: NKP, 86000-86199, 12-49 KCS, 20901-21000, 1951 C&O, 27000-27749, 6-53 WAB, 19500-19799, 1953 (flag) WAB, 200000-20199, 10-53 (flag in heart) Microscale doesn't have any of these, and I'd like to know of other sources. If someone has a set to sell, please contact me off list. I can piece together build and new dates, but I need the proper lettering, data, and herald for these cars. NKP is my first choice. Nelson
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Re: Overland UTLX Tank Car
Frank, not definitive, but UTC definitely reused this number series
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for much more modern tank cars. Forty three years is a long time in the railroad number series game... a lot of shuffling could have taken place by 1973 :-) Can you trace 27564 backwards to 1920 using ORERs? Tim O'Connor
At 5/8/2011 09:11 PM Sunday, you wrote:
How sure are we that the cars in 27325-27824 were all built in 1930? I have
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Re: Overland UTLX Tank Car
FRANK PEACOCK
How sure are we that the cars in 27325-27824 were all built in 1930? I have a photo taken in Rawlins in Mar. 1973 of UTLX 27564 and my notes say that it was built Mar. 1920. FHP (Frank H. Peacock)
To: STMFC@... From: shile@... Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 06:44:50 -0500 Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Overland UTLX Tank Car That's the number series mentioned on the MM drawing. I am beginning to speculate that they could be the result of some internal, company efforts (rebuilding, combining existing underframes, tanks, trucks, etc.) It lists them as having 40 ton trucks, except one car with 50 ton trucks. That is, however just speculation. Regards, Steve Hile _____ From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 12:22 AM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Re: Overland UTLX Tank Car Thanks Steve. I have a note that says 27146-27324 also were X-3 10,000 gallon cars built in 1930. Tim O'Connor ACF built 500 X-3 10,000 gallon tank cars for UTLX in 1930, numbered27325-27824. They also built some 12,000 gallon cars with four course tanks in thatyear. Hope that this helps. Regards, Steve Hile [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Livestock in closed cars?
Guy Wilber
Jeffrey White wrote:
<<I recently purchased a copy of the IC Rules for Receipt, Handling, Stowing, Bracing and Delivery of Less then Carload Freight Issued in Feb 38 and revised in Oct of 49.>> This is The AAR's Rules for LCL distributed to carriers and shippers. << There are two illustrations of methods of blocking car doors open to provide for ventilation one for a wood door car and one for a steel door car.>> To expand on your answer to Doug Harding's inquiry: Closed cars used for LCL Livestock shipments were to have the doors cleated open a width of 12". If closed cars were utilized for perishables such as melons the doors were to be cleated open between 6 and 8 inches. Closed Car Rules contain illustrations and instructions for securing doors in this fashion for the following designs; top hung wood door, bottom hung wood door, steel corrugated door and paneled steel doors. <<I am guessing that they were hauling livestock like crated poultry. I never heard of using a closed car for this before.>> Not all LCL livestock was crated (packaged), though partitions would have confined the animals within close proximity of the door opening. Annual CL and LCL claims figures were broken down between freight "in package" and freight "not in package". A random look at figures for livestock (1929-1950) in LCL shipments is always dominated by claims filed on loss, damage or theft to livestock "not in package". Regards, Guy Wilber Reno, Nevada [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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new reefer books
ed_mines
Rich, I haven't been following the STMFX group too closely.
Has there been any news about the MDT & FGE reefer books supposedly being written? Anything else new? Ed
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Re: Lots of house cars to see in western Kansas
mopacfirst
What's nice is to see some non-SF cars out there. Santa Fe had a long-standing program of selling obsolete cars to any comer for, at one time, $500 less trucks & couplers. Most of the wooden ones are gone or are in pretty rough shape by now, but the steel cars may be here for the next hundred years.
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The only more-obvious cars you're likely to see in the West are those RBL cars with urethane insulation. As soon as somebody figured out that torching them was too dangerous because of the urethane fumes, they went pretty quickly into fields and, along I-45 between Dallas and Houston, there is a set of them next to a highway liquor store. Ron Merrick
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Re: PFE Reefer...Too Many Doors?
Bob C <thecitrusbelt@...>
Thanks, Tim.
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Your information allowed me to find this information on Trains.com: "PFE had a similar car [to a BREX car], PFE 100036 (class R-50-1-2). It had its ice compartment above the load compartment (instead of in the ends), There were two load compartments, each with a door. The doors appear to be centered in each compartment. The information can be found on page 148 of Pacific Fruit Express, 2nd Edition. There are three photographs of it on page 149. Obviously these are not made by the same builder, but they may have some similarities. It had wood sides and steel ends. It was rebuilt from an R-50-1 (built around 1930) in March 1940 and was retired by 1944." Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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