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Boston Library
Mark
Very interesting freight car shot, many PRR but look toward the rear!!!
Mark Morgan PS Grandpa now http://www.flickr.com/photos/boston_public_library/5786323249/sizes/o/in/photostream/ |
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Re: Colorado & Southern Ingoldsby Ore Cars C&S 20000 to 20349
Rupert & Maureen <gamlenz@...>
Richard
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I don't know if you can draw a parallel but the CB&Q ordered 200 dump cars from the Ingoldsby Automatic Car. Co. in 1904 and they were built by Pullman. Rupert Gamlen Auckland NZ ----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Wilkens" <railsnw@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 1:18 PM Subject: [STMFC] Colorado & Southern Ingoldsby Ore Cars C&S 20000 to 20349 Hello, |
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Re: Sunshine site update
Jim Hayes
Naperville/Lisle is Oct. 20, 21, 22 with a last breakfast Sunday morning the
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23rd. Jim On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 7:02 PM, <water.kresse@...> wrote:
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Re: decals
Scott Pitzer
In what era did Champ put out the PFE set that didn't include any R- class markings? When I saw it I thought, "It's one thing to leave people to get a stripe from a striping set, or a DF emblem from a load-restraining devices set, but where are ya gonna find R- classes if not in a PFE set?"
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Re: CB&Q XA-16 brake layout
The release rod is quite visible in the lower photo on page 95. The upper
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photo shows the other side of the car and the brake reservoir hides the rod. Many freight cars had the rod accessible from both sides of the car -- I'm surprised that does not seem to be the case with these CB&Q cars. I rarely model release rods but when I do I use .006 wire - pretty fragile stuff. Tim O'Connor It's the relief valve handle. The control valve is just inside the sill |
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Re: CB&Q XA-16 brake layout
For my first attempt (on a Front Range box car) I had no idea how to
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model the brake components so I used an Athearn box car as my template!! Needless to say, I built a nice mirror image of the brake system. I knew the cylinder and brake wheel had to line up too, so I mounted the brake wheel on the right side of one end. :-) Tim O'Connor At 6/14/2011 11:29 AM Tuesday, you wrote:
When I started building resin kits in about 1992-93, all of my model building was military-airplanes & armour-so the basic assembly and all of the parts did not intimidate me. But when I got to the brakes and the instructions essentially said: "Add brake parts" without any photos or explanation of what the parts looked like, I was pretty discouraged. If I remember correctly, I consulted the instructions from a Tichy "house car" kit to try to understand what the brake parts were. |
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Re: CB&Q XA-16 brake layout
Looking with a magnifying glass, it appears to say "Defect Card".
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All freight cars have some provision for a defect card, usually a round or square tube, into which a car inspector can slide a card reporting some problem with the car. In this case it must be hidden under the side sill. Tim O'Connor --------------------------------------- The builder's shots in RP CYC 13 show a little downward-pointing arrow,> stencilled on the left side sill but not the right. What does it indicate? (AB valve?) > Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla. |
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Re: decals
Jerry
What set did you use? I'm guessing you tried to use HC-93, to letter a rebuilt USRA hopper that Overland offered as a company sand car (OMI 3129)? It's true the right hand side data looks funky, but I have a scan of one of the hoppers with 5 lines of data, and another with only 4 lines. The sand cars appear to be lettered slightly differently than the open cars. Rich lived in North Dakota so he may have depended on others for the data for many of his sets. Anyway, I'm glad it inspired you to produce decals. Your work is very good and a very good value. Tim O'Connor -------------------------------------------- My first experience with making decals was the result of using a Champ set on a brass Frisco covered hopper. Drawings and pictures had appeared in Mainline Modleler so I had good reference but the Champ set didn't fit properly and I was only able to get 4 lines of inaccurate data where the prototype had 5. I traded it for another unpainted one and started over, producing my own decals on an ALPS. I no longer use an ALPS but have been making decals ever since including even replacing some in Sunshine Models kits. Jerry Glow |
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Re: decals
Richard Hendrickson
On Jun 14, 2011, at 8:10 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Champ developed the ability to make very tiny print, although itTim is right. The sets Rich produced in the last few years before he died were vastly better those produced from the original Max Gray artwork, and even the latter were often progressively improved as reprinting became necessary. Rich had a thing about legibility, but in later years several of us persuaded him that we wanted repacking data and such in the correct size, whether it was legible or not, and (with misgivings) he produced it. The Champ sets for reweigh weights, dates, station symbols, and repacking data are, in my opinion, superior to anything else available, and more comprehensive. I bought a whole bunch of them and I use them on almost every freight car model. Richard Hendrickson |
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Re: decals
Champ developed the ability to make very tiny print, although it
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was not perfectly legible. I think that the older sets inherited from Max Gray were guilty of oversize lettering as well as the out-of-scale stuff that Tony mentioned. Champ's later sets especially some of the BRH and SHS series were better than, or as good as, anything else available. Tim O'Connor As I recall, Champ's catalog referred to the oversized lettering as a "cheater" size and justified it as being the smallest legible size available. He also said he would make proper sized lettering available if requested, but it would be illegible. |
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Re: Sunshine site update
water.kresse@...
When again is Naperville 2011 at Lisle?
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Al Kresse ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Hayes" <jimhayes97225@...> To: "Stm Frt Cars" <STMFC@...> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 7:02:23 PM Subject: [STMFC] Sunshine site update Yesterday I received the 2011 issue of The Sun, Sunshine's annual what's new & what's coming newsletter. You can see it by clicking Meetings at the top of my home page and then selecting The Sun near the bottom of the Meetings page. I wrote to Joe D'Elia and asked about registration for Naperville (Lisle). He sent me a registration form. You can do the same by writing to him at ppw-aline@.... Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Colorado & Southern Ingoldsby Ore Cars C&S 20000 to 20349
Richard Wilkens <railsnw@...>
Hello,
Trying to find some info on 350 Ingoldsby ore cars built in 1906 or 1907 for the Colorado & Southern in group C&S 20000 to 20349. I'm trying to find out who built them and to see if anyone has a diagram page for these cars. in 1930 and 1931 80 of these cars were sold to Nevada Consolidated Copper for use in hauling copper ore over the Nevada Northern from the mines west of Ely to the smelter at McGill. Thanks, Richard Wilkens |
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Re: decals
Scott Pitzer
Oh yeah! I remember reading that, and saying (to myself) "half the time you're using it on a somewhat different car, so the number values may be different, therefore "legible" is not such a good thing anyway.
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Scott Pitzer --- In STMFC@..., richtownsend@... wrote:
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Re: decals
Scott Pitzer
Or maybe Champ's policy was to make decals to "fit the envelope." (That's an offshoot of "fit the box scale" models.)
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Re: decals
Richard Townsend
As I recall, Champ's catalog referred to the oversized lettering as a "cheater" size and justified it as being the smallest legible size available. He also said he would make proper sized lettering available if requested, but it would be illegible.
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Richard Townsend Lincoln City, Oregon -----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Tue, Jun 14, 2011 4:25 pm Subject: [STMFC] Re: decals Jerry Glowt wrote: My first experience with making decals was the result of using aThat's an experience many have had--trying to fit Champ lettering onto a model while comparing to a prototype photo, and finding it won't fit in the same space. I once heard the theory that Max Gray (an O scale guy at heart) had made everything in HO oversize because he had some Silver Streak HO kits, which are also mostly oversize, around 10 percent, which is about the error in several Champ sets I struggled with. But that's probably just conjecture <g>. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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Re: decals
Scott Pitzer
I hope it at least made some OO scale modelers happy.
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Scott Pitzer --- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:
That's an experience many have had--trying to fit Champlettering onto a model while comparing to a prototype photo, and |
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Re: decals
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Jerry Glowt wrote:
My first experience with making decals was the result of using a Champ set on a brass Frisco covered hopper. Drawings and pictures had appeared in Mainline Modleler so I had good reference but the Champ set didn't fit properly and I was only able to get 4 lines of inaccurate data where the prototype had 5. I traded it for another unpainted one and started over, producing my own decals on an ALPS. I no longer use an ALPS but have been making decals ever since including even replacing some in Sunshine Models kits.That's an experience many have had--trying to fit Champ lettering onto a model while comparing to a prototype photo, and finding it won't fit in the same space. I once heard the theory that Max Gray (an O scale guy at heart) had made everything in HO oversize because he had some Silver Streak HO kits, which are also mostly oversize, around 10 percent, which is about the error in several Champ sets I struggled with. But that's probably just conjecture <g>. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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Sunshine site update
Jim Hayes
Yesterday I received the 2011 issue of The Sun, Sunshine's annual what's new
& what's coming newsletter. You can see it by clicking Meetings at the top of my home page and then selecting The Sun near the bottom of the Meetings page. I wrote to Joe D'Elia and asked about registration for Naperville (Lisle). He sent me a registration form. You can do the same by writing to him at ppw-aline@.... Jim |
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Re: CB&Q XA-16 brake layout
jerryglow2
Retainer valve control/adjustment.
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Jerry Glow --- In STMFC@..., "al_brown03" <abrown@...> wrote:
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decals was Re: CB&Q XA-16 brake layout
jerryglow2
My first experience with making decals was the result of using a Champ set on a brass Frisco covered hopper. Drawings and pictures had appeared in Mainline Modleler so I had good reference but the
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Champ set didn't fit properly and I was only able to get 4 lines of inaccurate data where the prototype had 5. I traded it for another unpainted one and started over, producing my own decals on an ALPS. I no longer use an ALPS but have been making decals ever since including even replacing some in Sunshine Models kits. Jerry Glow --- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:
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