Ed Mines wrote:
"I don't know if it's worth the extra money and I only saw the car
through the clear window on the box but the grab irons were remarkable."

Remarkably good or remarkably bad?


"I wonder how fragile the car is? Anyone bought one? If we don't buy
it, who will?"

Got a solution for you, Ed - why don't you buy one yourself and write a review? God helps those who help themselves.


Ben Hom

Tim,

The wayback machine has an archive of (at least part of) the site.

Regards,

-Jeff


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 5:56 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Champ Decals website



Although I made (and received) my final order from Champ,
I neglected to make a copy of the web site!! There was a heck
of a lot of useful information in that on-line catalog,
including prototype information and important information about
the application of many of the decals.

If anyone knows Connie I think it would be great if she could
put the web site back up (without decal ordering/prices/etc) as
an important online modeling resource -- Champ decals will still
be around (not the company, but the actual decals!) for another
40 or 50 years; that online catalog has real value to us.

Tim O'Connor

I am hoping someone on this list may know Gary Riccio and can tell me
how to contact him. Please contact me offline if you can help me.

Thanks!

Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764
727.470.9930
fgexbill@...

Gentlemen,

This may be off list, but I see where BLI is releasing another run of Centipedes. This run is to include an SAL unit #4505, I believe.

Question: Where did these units primarily operate? In what service? What else is known about them?

Thanks,
Richard New
Jax, FL

Media mail is so cheap because it is "when we get around to it" mail.

There is zero urgency assigned to it. In the case of getting it in two
days, they were obviously not very busy, the dull part of the summer, maybe.
Media mail in November and December is a disaster.

SGL



Technically magazines are not eligible for media mail rates. But in
any case I think 27 days to go 200 miles sounds like the truck broke
down, lost its brakes, rolled down an embankment, and was lost in the
woods for 24 days. Not a typical case.

Tim O'Connor

At 9/29/2010 12:49 PM Wednesday, you wrote:

Carey,
Not sure but I think there is a difference between "bulk" media rates
and "media" rates.
Just got a book from Western Ohio in 2 days to Central Virginia via
"media rate".
Chuck Hladik

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Guys: UP put Chrysler and Symington-Gould trucks on some of its S-40-10
stock cars before 1950 as a test. After the experiment, UP decided to remove
these trucks. In the spring of 1953, PFE was setting up 100 R-40-10's to
augment its express refrigerator service, relabelling the car class number
to BR-40-10. PFE decided to equip two groups of 50 each of the 100 cars
total with trucks better able to handle the higher speeds of passenger train
service, choosing to use the surplus and available Chrysler and
Symington-Gould trucks from UP. So, 50 BR-40-10's ran with Chrysler trucks
from the spring of 1953 to 1961 when the the express BR-40-10 program ended.
The significant thing here is that UP might have been the first to
employ the Chrysler truck, or at least, among the first.
My source for this is Thompson pp 165-166, 1st Edition. A Chrysler
truck is pictured on page 166; 2 Chrysler trucks on car #901 are shown on
page 165.
PFE modellers would, of course, love to have these two missing truck models
available in HO gauge.


JP Barger

The PRR used the Chrysler truck under X41B boxcars which were built in 1948.

Rich Orr

Brian,

Which side frame, bolster and spring package are used in your A-3? The PRR had 16 classes of freight trucks using the 70 tone A-3design with 7 different bolsters, 8 different side frames and 4 different spring packages. All but two of the classes were solid bearings. The two classes of roller bearing trucks were primarily used under the F39, F39A and F39B TOFC flats and as replacement trucks under H30A and H33 covered hoppers.

Rich Orr

Thanks for the link Brain.
I see they list the 70T Barber trucks as having "Friction" Bearings.

Somebody slap Sam : )))

Clark Propst

Although I made (and received) my final order from Champ,
I neglected to make a copy of the web site!! There was a heck
of a lot of useful information in that on-line catalog,
including prototype information and important information about
the application of many of the decals.

If anyone knows Connie I think it would be great if she could
put the web site back up (without decal ordering/prices/etc) as
an important online modeling resource -- Champ decals will still
be around (not the company, but the actual decals!) for another
40 or 50 years; that online catalog has real value to us.

Tim O'Connor

Very interesting photos and useful, thanks.

SGL



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laakso
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 5:10 AM
To: STMFC
Subject: [STMFC] Inspiration for Underbody Air Brake Connections





In between working on truss rod boxcars and WFEX/BREX/FGEX truss rod
reefers, I came across these derailment pictures showing underbody
detailing! None of the NP truss rod boxcars derailed!

http://wrvmuseum.pastperfect-online.com/30869cgi/mweb.exe?request=record;id=
1CFDD4E9-9E3E-479F-91B8-621220164566;type=102

gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
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Tom,
 
You can add B&M cabooses as equiped with the Chrysler truck. The shock is very prominent in photos.
 
Fred Freitas

Yes

Bill Welch

Bob,

Connie is swamped and you will receive it soon. I sent my first order in early AM on Saturday Sept. 18th and it arrived on this past Wednesday in the mid-day post.

I have two additional orders in, the last at 11:15 PM last evening, just under the wire! It never fails that you always overlook things when you try to get stuff out the door to quickly.

Best regards,

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@...

Another source of cheap disposable tiny cups for mixing paint, plastic disposable communion cups. They are clear plastic so test
if you use solvent paints. Being disposable, just toss them after use. Your church may use them and could provide you with a small
number, or ask at the nearest Christian book store. Usually sold in 1000 count box for about $15-20. I saw on website that sold
them in a 500 count box.

I use bamboo skewers for stirring paint. Then later use them for uncoupling freight cars. I find the layer of paint offers a
little more tooth or grip when twisting in between the coupler faces.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org

I'm still waiting to see if the large order which I submitted online over a
week ago is processed. When I check my card online, they have yet to put
the charge through. However, as their website indicates, they are
overwhelmed with orders at the moment, so I'll just wait and see before
contacting them to check its progress. There is clearly no point contacting
them just yet, as they'll be flat out.

I absolutely agree with you Denny, as they will certainly be missed and
leave a "hole" in the market that needs to be filled.

Regards,

Robert Bogie
Melbourne, Australia

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From: Denny Anspach danspach@...
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 21:49:28 -0500
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Finis


My last order from Champ arrived today, promptly, and with minimal shipping
costs (no "handling" fees, or 1/4 oz. items shipped in large Priority Mail
boxes).

I just checked the Champ Decals web site, and today they closed their
doors for good, apparently with a fair inventory still in hand I have
some decals, or at least their envelopes from the days 50+ years ago when
they were in Cleveland, and then San Jose (Max Gray). I regret seeing a
company that has served us so well and so long, just disappear. For those
dwindling number of us who continue to paint and detail steam locomotives,
it is especially sad inasmuch as no one has yet stepped in to fill this
very narrow, but essential modeling market.

Denny

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Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento





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Bill and Rich,

I will also second that motion! Also, I just received the flyer for Tahoe's latest new truck! A 70-Ton A-3 Ride Control truck, spring-plankless, with the 2-3-2 spring package. Brian is offering these for only $7.50 with or without semi-scale wheelsets. The usual tour-de-force that he is known for. All I can say is WOW!

Tom Olsen
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479

We need both the 30(?)and 40(?) tonners, as made by Central Valley. Used on
many 1880-1910 freight cars, including Western Union Service Trains (many of
which were still around into the '70s!), as well as tender trucks.

Max Robin

My last order from Champ arrived today, promptly, and with minimal shipping costs (no "handling" fees, or 1/4 oz. items shipped in large Priority Mail boxes).

I just checked the Champ Decals web site, and today they closed their doors for good, apparently with a fair inventory still in hand I have some decals, or at least their envelopes from the days 50+ years ago when they were in Cleveland, and then San Jose (Max Gray). I regret seeing a company that has served us so well and so long, just disappear. For those dwindling number of us who continue to paint and detail steam locomotives, it is especially sad inasmuch as no one has yet stepped in to fill this very narrow, but essential modeling market.

Denny

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Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento

Besides frequent application to General American box cars I
just noticed that first box car page of the 1953 CBC has a
photo of DL&W 10039, a 1950 Magor built 40' box car -- and
what do you know? Chrysler trucks! This is the earliest car
I've seen with these trucks.

There's a good photo of the plain bearing Chrysler FR-5E on
page 977 of the 1953 CBC too, and a drawing for the roller
bearing version on page 981.

Anyone ever compiled a list of all the cars equipped with the
Chrysler-patent trucks?

Tim O'Connor