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Re: RPM Etiquette

Dennis Williams
 

Being a builder, my policy is: once the customer receives the model, I will not touch it again, even if it is on display.  Now, if there is a problem and I am asked to look at it, then I will. Even with my own display, once it was set up, I did not touch it til I had to leave.
 
  People work and spend a lot of money on their models.  My wife says that I go above and beyond.  I plead the 5th. Anyway, we were all taught at an early age to keep your hands to yourself. If you must handle the model, please ask first.
 
  My wife and I enjoyed all that the show at Naperville had to offer. We finally put faces with the names. We both want to thank Joe and his crew for a great show!!  We will be there next year.
 
Dennis Williams/Owner
www.resinbuilders4u.com

--- On Tue, 11/2/10, Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...> wrote:


From: Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: RPM Etiquette
To: STMFC@...
Date: Tuesday, November 2, 2010, 12:26 PM


 



I've never been to Naperville, but have attended many NMRA/CARM conventions and meets. To me, it is extremely bad form and/or just plain RUDE and ignorant to handle others' models without permission. Period. I personally kneel, crouch, or put my hands in my back pockets if standing near a display table. I heavily kitbash and scratchbuild. Which still gives me NO right to pick up someone else's models.

Maybe more "DO NOT TOUCH" signs and notations on meet literature are called for, but my observation of model show and human behaviour makes me doubt that these precautions would keep this person from picking up the models.

Geeeeeeezzzzzz... :(

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., "killercarp" <killercarp@...> wrote:

I beg the moderator to forgive a potentially off-topic post, but since freight cars were involved, I figure I'll give it a shot.

At the recent Naperville RPM, I was kind of disturbed to see an attendee picking up various displayed freight cars. I know they were not his, as I was walking into the display room with their owner/builder. I pointed this out to him and he went over to talk with him. Both of us were under the impression that handling the displayed works was not appropriate. I would expect that would be strictly with the permission of the presenter. Is that correct, or can we expect our models to be grabbed by potentially ham-handed yokels? I'm not sure how I feel about displaying if handling is part of the program.

Should the general etiquette for RPM events be officially noted by those putting on such events so it is clear to all?

Tim VanMersbergen
South Elgin, IL










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DVD With FGEX Truss Rod Reefers being Switched

gary laakso
 

Taking a break from the 10 resin cars under construction (3 WFEX 1921 Reefers-Sunshine #34.3; 4 Great Northern truss rod boxcars by Westerfield (they are the the 12th through 15th ones i have done); and 3 CB&Q X-17/X-18 truss rod boxcars by Westerfield); I put the DVD entitled "Golden Twilight of Postwar Steam, part 2" on. Its by Green Frog.

It includes a switcher working a string of 4 reefers, including straight (as oppsed to angled) truss rod reefers FGEX 18345 and 31183 next to a non-truss rod WFEX 49098 in Evansville, IN about 1945 (the only re-pack date i could make out). The area under both cars reefer doors that should be boxcar red is so worn, the paint is gone. Its a great shot and the only DVD I know of with a scene of truss rod reefer being switched. I need to develop a dirt colored paint for the underbodies on my truss rod cars.

A L&N 36 foot ventilator boxcar that was being uncoupled from the reefer string while freshly painted, looks much worse for wear then the reefers.

The Great Northern "Safe Switching" video taken in black and white circa 1947 does feature many Great Northern and CB&Q truss rod boxcars in both train service and being switched. No truss rod reefers to be found in that video.


gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
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Illinois Central Reefer decals was Letter from Stan

Bruce Smith
 

On Nov 2, 2010, at 3:22 PM, Clark and Eileen wrote:

Fred Flintstone dropped off a stone tablet from Stan Rydarowicz today : ))

Stan wanted the person he owes the Linde decals and the fella wanting the CWI caboose sides to please contact him if they're on this list.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa
Which reminds me that I got a call from Stan yesterday (yeah, he uses electrons in some formats <VG>). He said that he now has decals for the Illinois Central reefer kits he has been selling (series 50000-50229 and 50300-50499). They were produced by Jim Singer/5th Avenue Car Shops. $10 per set and the set does 2 cars. Stan indicated that both the original and later heralds were available (not sure if they are in the same set or not).

Regards
Bruce

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Re: Pickles car

Benjamin Hom
 

Dave Sieber wrote:
"I have the July 54 RMC right at hand, having found it at Des Plaines Hobbies
while attending RPM Naperville. The article has two poor halftone 3/4-view
photos of H.J. Heinz Pickle Tank Car 73, plus plans and info on scratchbuilding
the car. The prototype photos in the article are of the same car number as the
ebay pickle car printed sides/ends/top (at tinyurl above), which appear nearly
identical to the Athearn car, down to black hatch covers on the brown roof
(unpainted black plastic on my two Athearn HJH 3 and HJH 70 cars in plastic).
However, the plans and photos show that the prototype roof was T&G wood with 7
major and 6 minor reinforcing roof ribs, possibly in six removable sections, but
with NO hatches. It's not clear from the photo whether the six rectangular
pickle vats were inserted and removed vertically, or slid in and out sideways
through removable side panels for pickle loading and unloading."
 
Dave, thanks for the backup.  Athearn used the same roof on their "coffin" type
car as they did on their "vat" type pickle car, which, as you pointed out, is
incorrect according to these drawings.

Ben Hom

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Letter from Stan

Clark Propst
 

Fred Flintstone dropped off a stone tablet from Stan Rydarowicz today : ))

Stan wanted the person he owes the Linde decals and the fella wanting the CWI caboose sides to please contact him if they're on this list.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: RPM Etiquette

mike brock <brockm@...>
 

Brian Carlson says:

by
the end of the song ends up in (moderate) jail.
Followed probably by many others if the direction this thread is heading is any indication. However, the point is well taken that models should not be handled at RPM meets...or anywhere...without permission from the owner. We may need to add some Do Not Handle signs on the display tables at Cocoa Beach this coming Jan.

Mike Brock


Re: RPM Etiquette

Brian Carlson
 

The song starts with a guy hopping a freight car to get back to his wife,
who took his heart, his truck, and his dog. However, like any good country
song, he has a few beverages (Honker's Ale in this case) on the way and by
the end of the song ends up in (moderate) jail.



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

prrk41361@...



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Anthony Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 3:35 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: RPM Etiquette





Bruce Smith wrote:

On Nov 2, 2010, at 2:12 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:
There's a country song with a title like this, but it's about
wives, not freight cars. <g>
I think there was a country song like that about pickup trucks, or
maybe it was about dogs....? <VBG>
Probably about all three. <g> But I think we've just gotten WAY
off topic.

Tony Thompson
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937;
e-mail: thompson@... <mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com>


Re: RPM Etiquette

water.kresse@...
 

There are possible repercussions when you touch a dog without permission, or let your kid stick his face in a big dogs face, or sneak up and startle it at a dog show.



Al Kresse

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On Nov 2, 2010, at 2:12 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:

Fred Freitas wrote:
My Dad brought me up with the idea that "if it is not yours, your
hands should not be on it".
      There's a country song with a title like this, but it's about
wives, not freight cars.   <g>
I think there was a country song like that about pickup trucks, or  
maybe it was about dogs....? < VBG >

Regards,
Bruce

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Re: RPM Etiquette

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Bruce Smith wrote:

On Nov 2, 2010, at 2:12 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:
There's a country song with a title like this, but it's about wives, not freight cars. <g>
I think there was a country song like that about pickup trucks, or maybe it was about dogs....? <VBG>
Probably about all three. <g> But I think we've just gotten WAY off topic.

Tony Thompson
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937;
e-mail: thompson@...


Re: RPM Etiquette

Bruce Smith
 

On Nov 2, 2010, at 2:12 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:

Fred Freitas wrote:
My Dad brought me up with the idea that "if it is not yours, your
hands should not be on it".
There's a country song with a title like this, but it's about
wives, not freight cars. <g>
I think there was a country song like that about pickup trucks, or maybe it was about dogs....? <VBG>

Regards,
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2

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Re: RPM Etiquette

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

I've never been to Naperville, but have attended many NMRA/CARM conventions and meets. To me, it is extremely bad form and/or just plain RUDE and ignorant to handle others' models without permission. Period. I personally kneel, crouch, or put my hands in my back pockets if standing near a display table. I heavily kitbash and scratchbuild. Which still gives me NO right to pick up someone else's models.

Maybe more "DO NOT TOUCH" signs and notations on meet literature are called for, but my observation of model show and human behaviour makes me doubt that these precautions would keep this person from picking up the models.

Geeeeeeezzzzzz... :(

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., "killercarp" <killercarp@...> wrote:

I beg the moderator to forgive a potentially off-topic post, but since freight cars were involved, I figure I'll give it a shot.

At the recent Naperville RPM, I was kind of disturbed to see an attendee picking up various displayed freight cars. I know they were not his, as I was walking into the display room with their owner/builder. I pointed this out to him and he went over to talk with him. Both of us were under the impression that handling the displayed works was not appropriate. I would expect that would be strictly with the permission of the presenter. Is that correct, or can we expect our models to be grabbed by potentially ham-handed yokels? I'm not sure how I feel about displaying if handling is part of the program.

Should the general etiquette for RPM events be officially noted by those putting on such events so it is clear to all?

Tim VanMersbergen
South Elgin, IL


Re: RPM Etiquette

Frank Valoczy <destron@...>
 

I dunno, even when someone says to me "you can pick it up if you want",
I'm /still/ pretty terrified of touching someone else's model. I know how
I feel when I break one of my own, it would probably be 1000 times worse
if someone else did it.

I've always held myself to the "don't touch" rule - if I want to get a
photo of the underframe, for example, I'll ask the owner if he'd be so
kind as to reposition the car himself.

Since I've never seen anyone to touch someone else's model without
permission, I'd assumed that this was standard procedure at meets...

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC

Frederick Freitas wrote:

GUYZ,
 
 
My Dad brought me up with the idea that "if it is not yours, your hands
should not be on it".
Have we lost the basic politeness of respecting others property? I hope
not.
 
Fred Freitas

--- On Tue, 11/2/10, killercarp <killercarp@...> wrote:


From: killercarp <killercarp@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: RPM Etiquette
To: STMFC@...
Date: Tuesday, November 2, 2010, 1:34 PM


 



Jim,

You are not the person I was referring to. This individual was picking up
models for closer examination and looking at underframes, not for
photography.

Either way, your doing the website implies permission from Stan to do
this. This was something different altogether.

Tim VanMersbergen

--- In STMFC@..., Jim Hayes <jimhayes97225@...> wrote:

I am one who was guilty of touching the models. I moved some of Stan
Rydarowicz's reefers to get better pictures. But the pictures are used
for
the web page I've created for his products on my Sunshine website. And
I'm
not a 'pick up everything' kind of guy. There are a number of 'Do Not
Touch'
signs on the table but maybe more are needed.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 9:41 AM, John Degnan <Scaler164@...> wrote:



I have always set a note card on my table(s) stating that RESPECTFUL,
CAREFUL HANDLING BY EXPERIENCED MODELERS is ok. But I did so under the
impression that it was a well known rule that not all models are fair
game
for handling. Apparently this isn't the case, so it might need to be
noted
by signage or public announcement.

John Degnan
JohnnyReb69@... <JohnnyReb69%40comcast.net>

----- Original Message -----
From: killercarp
To: STMFC@... <STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 12:06 PM
Subject: [STMFC] RPM Etiquette

I beg the moderator to forgive a potentially off-topic post, but since
freight cars were involved, I figure I'll give it a shot.

At the recent Naperville RPM, I was kind of disturbed to see an
attendee
picking up various displayed freight cars. I know they were not his,
as I
was walking into the display room with their owner/builder. I pointed
this
out to him and he went over to talk with him. Both of us were under
the
impression that handling the displayed works was not appropriate. I
would
expect that would be strictly with the permission of the presenter. Is
that
correct, or can we expect our models to be grabbed by potentially
ham-handed
yokels? I'm not sure how I feel about displaying if handling is part
of the
program.

Should the general etiquette for RPM events be officially noted by
those
putting on such events so it is clear to all?

Tim VanMersbergen
South Elgin, IL

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Re: RPM Etiquette

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Fred Freitas wrote:
My Dad brought me up with the idea that "if it is not yours, your hands should not be on it".
There's a country song with a title like this, but it's about wives, not freight cars. <g>

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: RPM Etiquette

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

GUYZ,
 
 
My Dad brought me up with the idea that "if it is not yours, your hands should not be on it".
Have we lost the basic politeness of respecting others property? I hope not.
 
Fred Freitas

--- On Tue, 11/2/10, killercarp <killercarp@...> wrote:


From: killercarp <killercarp@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: RPM Etiquette
To: STMFC@...
Date: Tuesday, November 2, 2010, 1:34 PM


 



Jim,

You are not the person I was referring to. This individual was picking up models for closer examination and looking at underframes, not for photography.

Either way, your doing the website implies permission from Stan to do this. This was something different altogether.

Tim VanMersbergen

--- In STMFC@..., Jim Hayes <jimhayes97225@...> wrote:

I am one who was guilty of touching the models. I moved some of Stan
Rydarowicz's reefers to get better pictures. But the pictures are used for
the web page I've created for his products on my Sunshine website. And I'm
not a 'pick up everything' kind of guy. There are a number of 'Do Not Touch'
signs on the table but maybe more are needed.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 9:41 AM, John Degnan <Scaler164@...> wrote:



I have always set a note card on my table(s) stating that RESPECTFUL,
CAREFUL HANDLING BY EXPERIENCED MODELERS is ok. But I did so under the
impression that it was a well known rule that not all models are fair game
for handling. Apparently this isn't the case, so it might need to be noted
by signage or public announcement.

John Degnan
JohnnyReb69@... <JohnnyReb69%40comcast.net>

----- Original Message -----
From: killercarp
To: STMFC@... <STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 12:06 PM
Subject: [STMFC] RPM Etiquette

I beg the moderator to forgive a potentially off-topic post, but since
freight cars were involved, I figure I'll give it a shot.

At the recent Naperville RPM, I was kind of disturbed to see an attendee
picking up various displayed freight cars. I know they were not his, as I
was walking into the display room with their owner/builder. I pointed this
out to him and he went over to talk with him. Both of us were under the
impression that handling the displayed works was not appropriate. I would
expect that would be strictly with the permission of the presenter. Is that
correct, or can we expect our models to be grabbed by potentially ham-handed
yokels? I'm not sure how I feel about displaying if handling is part of the
program.

Should the general etiquette for RPM events be officially noted by those
putting on such events so it is clear to all?

Tim VanMersbergen
South Elgin, IL

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RPM Etiquette

Bill Lane
 

All,



I have only been to the regional RPM outside of Philadelphia about 4 times
so far. I REALLY like those meets a lot. I have never touched other's models
or seen any models handled by anyone else. But I would hope for the same in
respect for any of my models if I were not there. I try and "shoot the room"
in case anyone wants photos. I am not trying to get intricate photos of any
1 model - just an overview. However, I have gotten what I thought were
reasonable results though without ever moving a model.



In a similar "live and learn" vein.. I started an S Scale club in my area in
1989. I was still active with it years later even though it had largely
evolved into an American Flyer interest club. I had **just** finished my B&O
I12 the day before. http://www.lanestrains.com/Caboose.htm You could still
smell the Dull Coat the next day. I took it to a meeting at a member's home
for Show n Tell.



Never EVER put your just finished model on the same table as the potatoes
chips! The thumb print on the side would have been admissible evidence in
any court! Luckily it had just happened seconds before and I was able to
wipe it off and hit it again with Dull Coat when I got home.







Thank You,
Bill Lane

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988

See my finished models at:
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Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

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The other members are not ALL like me!
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Re: Narrow ga track width for side-arm car pushers

ed_mines
 

Al-

I don't know if they were the same but Erie had a manned narrow gauge
pusher between the tracks near their Cleveland ore docks.

Dan Biernacki has (had?) several photos of this area which by the way had good views of Erie 40 ft. hoppers. The tracks of these pushers looked very narrow.

Ed Mines

--- In STMFC@..., "al.kresse" <water.kresse@...> wrote:

Does anyone know what the narrow ga track width was used by the side-arm coal car pushers for the Brownhoist and Wellman coal car dumpers up to where the cars were pushed up to the ramp with the cable-pulled Barney pushers in the pit between the rails? The C&O installed them for their coal dumpers and Hulett ore car loaders at Presque Isle between 1929 and 1958 at Presque Isle and at Newport News in 1930-31.

From aerial photos, they don't appear to be that much narrower than the std ga track width. Other than the side-arms, the widest part of these pushers was the outside of the wheels. The cab was just wide enough for an average engineer in a winter coat.

Al Kresse


Re: RPM Etiquette

killercarp
 

Jim,

You are not the person I was referring to. This individual was picking up models for closer examination and looking at underframes, not for photography.

Either way, your doing the website implies permission from Stan to do this. This was something different altogether.

Tim VanMersbergen

--- In STMFC@..., Jim Hayes <jimhayes97225@...> wrote:

I am one who was guilty of touching the models. I moved some of Stan
Rydarowicz's reefers to get better pictures. But the pictures are used for
the web page I've created for his products on my Sunshine website. And I'm
not a 'pick up everything' kind of guy. There are a number of 'Do Not Touch'
signs on the table but maybe more are needed.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 9:41 AM, John Degnan <Scaler164@...> wrote:



I have always set a note card on my table(s) stating that RESPECTFUL,
CAREFUL HANDLING BY EXPERIENCED MODELERS is ok. But I did so under the
impression that it was a well known rule that not all models are fair game
for handling. Apparently this isn't the case, so it might need to be noted
by signage or public announcement.

John Degnan
JohnnyReb69@... <JohnnyReb69%40comcast.net>

----- Original Message -----
From: killercarp
To: STMFC@... <STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 12:06 PM
Subject: [STMFC] RPM Etiquette

I beg the moderator to forgive a potentially off-topic post, but since
freight cars were involved, I figure I'll give it a shot.

At the recent Naperville RPM, I was kind of disturbed to see an attendee
picking up various displayed freight cars. I know they were not his, as I
was walking into the display room with their owner/builder. I pointed this
out to him and he went over to talk with him. Both of us were under the
impression that handling the displayed works was not appropriate. I would
expect that would be strictly with the permission of the presenter. Is that
correct, or can we expect our models to be grabbed by potentially ham-handed
yokels? I'm not sure how I feel about displaying if handling is part of the
program.

Should the general etiquette for RPM events be officially noted by those
putting on such events so it is clear to all?

Tim VanMersbergen
South Elgin, IL

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Re: Pickles car

David Sieber
 

--- In STMFC@..., Bill Lane wrote: "... I am hoping to find some drawings and/or photos of the Heinz Pickle car. While I like the car with the exposed tanks I am more interested in the "gondola" type. I saw it in a car builders I have but no plans were there."

--- In STMFC@..., Benjamin Hom replied: "Bill, is this the type of car that you're looking for? http://tinyurl.com/Pickle-Car-Sides ... Plans also were published in the July 1954 issue of Railroad Model Craftsman - I'll check tonight to see if I have this issue to see if it's the same type of car that we're looking for."

Bill and Ben,
I have the July 54 RMC right at hand, having found it at Des Plaines Hobbies while attending RPM Naperville. The article has two poor halftone 3/4-view photos of H.J. Heinz Picle Tank Car 73, plus plans and info on scratchbuilding the car. The prototype photos in the article are of the same car number as the ebay pickle car printed sides/ends/top (at tinyurl above), which appear nearly identical to the Athearn car, down to black hatch covers on the brown roof (unpainted black plastic on my two Athearn HJH 3 and HJH 70 cars in plastic). However, the plans and photos show that the prototype roof was T&G wood with 7 major and 6 minor reinforcing roof ribs, possibly in six removable sections, but with NO hatches. It's not clear from the photo whether the six rectangular pickle vats were inserted and removed vertically, or slid in and out sideways through removable side panels for pickle loading and unloading.
Bill, I'll attempt to scan the article and email it to you, but it's a typical magazine of the '50s on yellowing pulp paper, so may not come out as well as you might like. I also could xerox it for you and mail direct copies to you if you send me your mailing address (direct email, rather than to the group).
Hope this helps,
Dave Sieber, Reno NV


Re: RPM Etiquette

Jim Hayes
 

I am one who was guilty of touching the models. I moved some of Stan
Rydarowicz's reefers to get better pictures. But the pictures are used for
the web page I've created for his products on my Sunshine website. And I'm
not a 'pick up everything' kind of guy. There are a number of 'Do Not Touch'
signs on the table but maybe more are needed.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
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On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 9:41 AM, John Degnan <Scaler164@...> wrote:



I have always set a note card on my table(s) stating that RESPECTFUL,
CAREFUL HANDLING BY EXPERIENCED MODELERS is ok. But I did so under the
impression that it was a well known rule that not all models are fair game
for handling. Apparently this isn't the case, so it might need to be noted
by signage or public announcement.

John Degnan
JohnnyReb69@... <JohnnyReb69%40comcast.net>

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From: killercarp
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Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 12:06 PM
Subject: [STMFC] RPM Etiquette

I beg the moderator to forgive a potentially off-topic post, but since
freight cars were involved, I figure I'll give it a shot.

At the recent Naperville RPM, I was kind of disturbed to see an attendee
picking up various displayed freight cars. I know they were not his, as I
was walking into the display room with their owner/builder. I pointed this
out to him and he went over to talk with him. Both of us were under the
impression that handling the displayed works was not appropriate. I would
expect that would be strictly with the permission of the presenter. Is that
correct, or can we expect our models to be grabbed by potentially ham-handed
yokels? I'm not sure how I feel about displaying if handling is part of the
program.

Should the general etiquette for RPM events be officially noted by those
putting on such events so it is clear to all?

Tim VanMersbergen
South Elgin, IL

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Re: RPM Etiquette

John Degnan <Scaler164@...>
 

I have always set a note card on my table(s) stating that RESPECTFUL, CAREFUL HANDLING BY EXPERIENCED MODELERS is ok. But I did so under the impression that it was a well known rule that not all models are fair game for handling. Apparently this isn't the case, so it might need to be noted by signage or public announcement.


John Degnan
JohnnyReb69@...

----- Original Message -----
From: killercarp
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 12:06 PM
Subject: [STMFC] RPM Etiquette


I beg the moderator to forgive a potentially off-topic post, but since freight cars were involved, I figure I'll give it a shot.

At the recent Naperville RPM, I was kind of disturbed to see an attendee picking up various displayed freight cars. I know they were not his, as I was walking into the display room with their owner/builder. I pointed this out to him and he went over to talk with him. Both of us were under the impression that handling the displayed works was not appropriate. I would expect that would be strictly with the permission of the presenter. Is that correct, or can we expect our models to be grabbed by potentially ham-handed yokels? I'm not sure how I feel about displaying if handling is part of the program.

Should the general etiquette for RPM events be officially noted by those putting on such events so it is clear to all?

Tim VanMersbergen
South Elgin, IL




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