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Re: Shipping Wine

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

Allen,
 
Tank cars of wine and spirit alcohol were delivered to S S Pierce Co and Old Mr. Boston for bottleling in the Boston, MA area. There may have been more; these are the ones I've seen.

Fred Freitas

--- On Sun, 10/31/10, Allen Cain <allencain@...> wrote:


From: Allen Cain <allencain@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Shipping Wine
To: STMFC@...
Date: Sunday, October 31, 2010, 4:49 PM


 



Curious as to which parts of the USA would have seen these cars on the
rails in the early 1950s?

Allen Cain


Re: Shipping Wine

Allen Cain <allencain@...>
 

Curious as to which parts of the USA would have seen these cars on the
rails in the early 1950s?



Allen Cain


two for IC

jerryglow2
 

I've added two IC SS boxcar sets. The first is good for the F&C kit, the
second for an Accurail 6 panel car.

http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/samples/IC_door-and-half_boxcar.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/samples/IC_SS_boxcar.jpg

--
Jerry Glow
The Villages FL
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals/


BC RPM less than two weeks away!

hockenheim68
 

Hi folks, Just a reminder that the third edition of BC RPM will be upon us in just under two weeks. Scheduled in conjunction with TRAINS 2010, the railroad prototype modeler's meet will run 9AM-4PM Saturday, November 13th in Burnaby, BC Canada. The usual all roads, all eras, all scales applies here. If you build railway related models or are interested in building some come and check us out. Remember to bring your models!

Photos from last year's meet are at http://www.flickr.com/photos/32922165@N06/sets/72157622812956308/


Participants at this year's show will also have the opportunity to take in a wide variety of clinics over the course of the weekend with one stream running on Saturday and three on Sunday the 14th. There are a few additions to the list since the last update.

In order of appearance they are...

CPR's Nelson, BC Diesel shops by Mike Barone

The BCR Dawson Creek Subdivision in N Scale Revisited by Tim Horton

Southern Railway (SRY) of BC Operations, 100 years in the making - by A.J. Shewan

Pacific Great Eastern Railway Steam Locomotives - by Greg Kennelly

*Identifying and Modeling Tank Cars - A Computer-based Tool for Prototype Modeling - Doug Rhodes

*Reliable Operations Keeping the trains on the tracks - Jack Hamilton, MMR

*Modelling the Hotels at Sicamous (yes, there were two!) - Brian Pate and Gordon Mitchell

*Introduction to Model Railroading - by Pete Steinmetz

*Manufacturing Model Railroad Products: How, What, Where, When and Why - Donald Smith

Achievement Program Assessment - Getting Qualified - Jack Hamilton, MMR, PNR Achievement Program Chairman

Coal to the Sea - Phil Mason

Great Northern Railway Depots and Right of Way Structures - Andrew Hutchinson

Small Space, Big Operation - by Don Mitchell

Mass-production of conifers - by Wendy Magnall & Edi Irwin

* denotes recent addition to clinic line-up


Cost is $20CDN for meet registrants


Of course the rpm meet and clinics are just a few of the events going on over the course of the weekend. There are layout tours, operating sessions, contest, banquet and the show itself with a raft of of operating layouts both large and small. For more information on these and other activities go to www.bctrains.org

BC RPM / TRAINS 2010 is located at Cameron Centre (Across from Lougheed Town Centre and Millenium line Skytrain service to Vancouver)
9523 Cameron Street
Burnaby, BC, Canada

Thanks for having a read and I hope to see some of you there.

Andrew Hutchinson (ahutchinson.mudbay at gmail dot com)
BC RPM coordinator


Re: Ann Arbor XM Series 250-299

Frank Valoczy <destron@...>
 

Charles Hostetler wrote:

- Would the results be of general interest to the group, or am I
reinventing the wheel...
I don't know about others, but for my part I'd be interested in this and
any similar thing for the AA and any other one of the Michigan
regionals/short lines. PH&D especially jumps to mind as I've not been able
to find anything of use about their rolling stock in the 1945-1955 period.

On a related note does anyone know of anyone who produces decals for cars
of the various Michigan roads, and private equipment owned by Michigan
companies? Ideal would be producers who do Alps printing, as I'd need the
sets in 1:120.

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC


Naperville 2010 PSA Developing a Boxcar fleet announcement - bouncing emails

Brian Carlson
 

I've sent out PDF's of my handouts to those who attended my clinic but
didn't receive handouts. I've had 2 emails bounce. Not bad since I had
almost 30 handwritten emails to decipher, and some of you write like
chickens. The domains are "cox.net" and "wowway.com". If you were at my
clinic and gave me your email from either of those domains. Please email me
OFF LIST. Thanks.

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
prrk41361@...


Re: Ann Arbor XM Series 250-299

Rob Adams
 

Charles;

If you are interested in the Ann Arbor's box car fleet, you might want
to pick up a copy of Volume 2 of Prototype Railroad Modeling from
Speedwitch Media. Among the other great material, that issue contains a
pretty thorough article about the AA's "modern" steam era single
sheathed and double sheathed box cars that I authored back in 2006. It
has extensive documentation and a bunch of photos of the once common AA
single sheathed box cars.

If you aren't a member of the Ann Arbor Railroad Technical & Historical
Association, you might want to consider joining. They have some older
references available that would provide additional information about the
AA's freight car fleet, including a nicely done softcover book by Craig
Wilson from the late 1980's. It has substantial more modern coverage
that is outside the scope of this group, but the AA's steel box cars are
covered pretty well, with good discussion of the paint variants of the
60's through 80's.

I spent a good deal of time researching the AA over the years an am
happy to assist if you have more questions. The Annie is/was an
interesting road, particularly during the steam and early diesel era. I
can't say that you are reinventing the wheel, but there are several good
AA references if you know where to look.

Kind regards,

Rob Adams

On 10/30/10 9:39 PM, Charles Hostetler wrote:

Tim, Rob, and Ed,

Thanks for the information on the AA XM series. I'm a newcomer to this
game, and am trying to find my way around the "literature".

This pilot project started with the ORER, making a list of the various
series for the AA. My search to attach lineages to the series started
with the STMFC archives. Then I checked the rosters that have been
compiled by car type (e.g., Ed's "PullmanStandard40ftPS1boxcars.pdf"
roster from the Steam Freight Car website). Then I leafed through:
- Steam Era Freight Cars Reference Manual Volume 1, Box & Automobile Cars
- The Postwar Freight Car Fleet
- The Railway Prototype Cyclopedias
- Box Cars...Book 1 (a compilation of articles from RMJ)

And finally I tried a Web search.

Out of the 12 series for the AA in the ORER (over a period of several
days) I was able to find reasonable documentation on the lineages for
11, and the remaining one was the genesis of my question to the group.

My follow up questions are:

- Is this a reasonable search strategy?
- Am I missing any fundamental reference materials?
- Would the results be of general interest to the group, or am I
reinventing the wheel...

Thanks again for your help,

Charles Hostetler
Goshen IN


Re: Ann Arbor XM Series 250-299

Brian Carlson
 

Charles: that's a similar approach to what I have used. I'll add specific
Morning Sun color Guides ( the AA is covered in the Wabash/NKP/DT&I color
guide) or other freight car specific books (i.e. Terry Metcalf's UP
Freight car book). Obviously limited to what I have. One other source is
historical society back issues. Finally for the AA Ted's Railroad Prototype
modeler had some articles by Rob Adams on AA boxcars.



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

prrk41361@...



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Charles Hostetler
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 10:39 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Ann Arbor XM Series 250-299





Tim, Rob, and Ed,

Thanks for the information on the AA XM series. I'm a newcomer to this game,
and am trying to find my way around the "literature".

This pilot project started with the ORER, making a list of the various
series for the AA. My search to attach lineages to the series started with
the STMFC archives. Then I checked the rosters that have been compiled by
car type (e.g., Ed's "PullmanStandard40ftPS1boxcars.pdf" roster from the
Steam Freight Car website). Then I leafed through:
- Steam Era Freight Cars Reference Manual Volume 1, Box & Automobile Cars
- The Postwar Freight Car Fleet
- The Railway Prototype Cyclopedias
- Box Cars...Book 1 (a compilation of articles from RMJ)

And finally I tried a Web search.

Out of the 12 series for the AA in the ORER (over a period of several days)
I was able to find reasonable documentation on the lineages for 11, and the
remaining one was the genesis of my question to the group.

My follow up questions are:

- Is this a reasonable search strategy?
- Am I missing any fundamental reference materials?
- Would the results be of general interest to the group, or am I reinventing
the wheel...

Thanks again for your help,

Charles Hostetler
Goshen IN


Re: Ann Arbor XM Series 250-299

Charles Hostetler <cesicjh@...>
 

Tim, Rob, and Ed,

Thanks for the information on the AA XM series. I'm a newcomer to this game, and am trying to find my way around the "literature".

This pilot project started with the ORER, making a list of the various series for the AA. My search to attach lineages to the series started with the STMFC archives. Then I checked the rosters that have been compiled by car type (e.g., Ed's "PullmanStandard40ftPS1boxcars.pdf" roster from the Steam Freight Car website). Then I leafed through:
- Steam Era Freight Cars Reference Manual Volume 1, Box & Automobile Cars
- The Postwar Freight Car Fleet
- The Railway Prototype Cyclopedias
- Box Cars...Book 1 (a compilation of articles from RMJ)

And finally I tried a Web search.

Out of the 12 series for the AA in the ORER (over a period of several days) I was able to find reasonable documentation on the lineages for 11, and the remaining one was the genesis of my question to the group.

My follow up questions are:

- Is this a reasonable search strategy?
- Am I missing any fundamental reference materials?
- Would the results be of general interest to the group, or am I reinventing the wheel...

Thanks again for your help,

Charles Hostetler
Goshen IN


Re: Ann Arbor XM Series 250-299

Ed Hawkins
 

On Oct 30, 2010, at 2:40 PM, cnw1045 wrote:

I'm trying to attach lineages (type, builder, and year built) to the
Ann Arbor boxcars listed in the April 1957 ORER. I've found something
for all except for:

XM, 250 to 299, 40'6" IL, 10'6"IH, 3892 cu ft, 100000lb, 6' door

This series does not appear in the Jan 1953 ORER, and is in the April
1958 and April 1959 ORERs, which leads me to believe it's a mid-50s
boxcar, but I can't find the series in any of the standard roster
sources (including a search of the past messages for this group).

Thanks in advance for any information,
Charles,
The cars were originally Wabash 89550-89599, built ca. 1-50 by the
railroad. They were transferred in early 1955 to AA and re# AA 250-299.
They were all-steel AAR box cars with R+3/4 Improved Dreadnaught Ends,
10-panel riveted sides, diagonal panel roofs, and straight side sills
between the bolsters. Hope this helps.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Ann Arbor XM Series 250-299

Rob Adams
 

Charles;

Those cars were built by the Wabash Decatur, IL shops in late 1949 and
early 1950 as Wabash series 89550-89599 and came over to Wabash
subsidiary AA in February, 1955. They had the straight side sill
typical of Wabash-built 40-foot AAR box cars, 10 panel riveted sides,
4/3/1 Improved Dreadnaught ends and 6-foot Youngstown doors.

Kind regards,

Rob Adams
Wellman, IA

On 10/30/10 2:40 PM, cnw1045 wrote:

I'm trying to attach lineages (type, builder, and year built) to the
Ann Arbor boxcars listed in the April 1957 ORER. I've found something
for all except for:

XM, 250 to 299, 40'6" IL, 10'6"IH, 3892 cu ft, 100000lb, 6' door

This series does not appear in the Jan 1953 ORER, and is in the April
1958 and April 1959 ORERs, which leads me to believe it's a mid-50s
boxcar, but I can't find the series in any of the standard roster
sources (including a search of the past messages for this group).

Thanks in advance for any information,

Charles Hostetler
Goshen, IN


Re: DGR&W box car

Richard Townsend
 

I need to correct my earlier post on kitbashing these cars. It was the Nov/Dec 1986 issue of Model Railroading that the article appeared in, not RMJ. And it was a Walthers kit, from the former Pacific HO line, that supplied the sides. The article called for using the roof and ends from an Athearn boxcar; this was in the days when suitable parts were not available separately. The article still is useful as a guide to approximating these cars. I still have a few of the Walthers kits in my stash, though they may go to other projects since I picked up a couple of the Sunshine kits recently.


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon


Re: Ann Arbor XM Series 250-299

Tim O'Connor
 

Richard Burg has a 1960 photo of AA 271, his catalog #55002.
I don't have the photo handy or I'd describe it to you..

Tim O'Connor

I'm trying to attach lineages (type, builder, and year built) to the Ann Arbor boxcars listed in the April 1957 ORER. I've found something for all except for:

XM, 250 to 299, 40'6" IL, 10'6"IH, 3892 cu ft, 100000lb, 6' door

This series does not appear in the Jan 1953 ORER, and is in the April 1958 and April 1959 ORERs, which leads me to believe it's a mid-50s boxcar, but I can't find the series in any of the standard roster sources (including a search of the past messages for this group).

Thanks in advance for any information,

Charles Hostetler
Goshen, IN


Ann Arbor XM Series 250-299

cnw1045 <cesicjh@...>
 

I'm trying to attach lineages (type, builder, and year built) to the Ann Arbor boxcars listed in the April 1957 ORER. I've found something for all except for:

XM, 250 to 299, 40'6" IL, 10'6"IH, 3892 cu ft, 100000lb, 6' door

This series does not appear in the Jan 1953 ORER, and is in the April 1958 and April 1959 ORERs, which leads me to believe it's a mid-50s boxcar, but I can't find the series in any of the standard roster sources (including a search of the past messages for this group).

Thanks in advance for any information,

Charles Hostetler
Goshen, IN


CMW 41-46 Chevy trucks (was Re: Naperville)

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

Years ago Hobby Stores Dist. (before it became Branchline) advertised a self-propelled '41 Chevy hi-rail truck from Classic Metal Works. The ad quickly disappeared.

I got all excited because such a truck - on rubber tires, not flanged steel wheels - would be great on my 1950 layout. In the years immediately following World War Two the average age of trucks was greater than normal - 8.7 years in 1946 and 8.1 years in 1947 - rather than 5.6 in 1941 and 6.something from 1951 through 1957. By 1960, the last year I dare mention, 430,000 pre-war trucks were still on the road out of a total of 10,803,000.

Now we need to know more about the box cars that delivered these trucks so we can ship them to ourselves on our model railroads.

Gene Green


Re: DGR&W box car

pullmanboss <tcmadden@...>
 

Last night I finaly talked myself into cutting up an Intermountain 8000 gal tank to shorten it for use as a kitbashed 6000 gal UTLX x-3. It turned out to be simpler than I thought. It only took a little over one hour to measure, mark, cut and glue the tank. On cylinders I use painters tape to carefully mark the cuting edge and then after cutting slightly beyond the tape I sand back to the edge of the tape. I have two more to do and I am guessing they will go significantly faster.

Shay Stark
Just what Frank Hodina did when making the tank pattern for the Sunshine 6000 gal X-3.

Tom Madden


Re: DGR&W box car

SHAY STARK
 

Richard Townsend wrote:
There was an article on kitbashing these cars in styrene in an old RMJ. It used the Walthers (formerly Golden Spike) 50' plug door boxcar flat kit as a starting point. >
I am currently kitbashing the DRGW car out of a Branchline postwar 40 foot boxcar. I have scraped the rivet lines off the sides and will use scribing and archer rivets to create the 12 panel representation. The ends on the Branchline car represent the final batch of these cars built for DRGW. I am currently working on the underframe and the side sills. This will not be a perfect match as the car is 2" to tall and the underframe will only be representative of the Durya UF but it has been a fun project and is certainly not beyond the abilities of anyone who has done a little kitbahsing.

Last night I finaly talked myself into cutting up an Intermountain 8000 gal tank to shorten it for use as a kitbashed 6000 gal UTLX x-3. It turned out to be simpler than I thought. It only took a little over one hour to measure, mark, cut and glue the tank. On cylinders I use painters tape to carefully mark the cuting edge and then after cutting slightly beyond the tape I sand back to the edge of the tape. I have two more to do and I am guessing they will go significantly faster.

Shay Stark


Re: DGR&W box car

Richard Townsend
 

There was an article on kitbashing these cars in styrene in an old RMJ. It used the Walthers (formerly Golden Spike) 50' plug door boxcar flat kit as a starting point. New roof and ends as I recall. The result is a car with 12 panels and what appears to be the proper sill, and with a "close" space for the door (the seams are a little too far apart for a 6' door to fit just right. Nothing about the proper underframe.


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon


Re: DGR&W box car was: Re: InterMountain Model Survey

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Answering Clark Propst's question,
I bought one of Martin's three door DRG&W box cars last weekend only to find out he also made a 6' door car that I have documention on. Is Martin's new car the car in qusetion here?
Bill Welch wrote
Yes

Actually, Bill, the Sunshine car hasn't come up yet. If I understand the discussion (always an "if"), we are talking styrene.

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2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


DGR&W box car was: Re: InterMountain Model Survey

Bill Welch
 

Yes

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., cepropst@... wrote:

I bought one of Martin's three door DRG&W box cars last weekend only to find out he also made a 6' door car that I have documention on. Is Martin's new car the car in qusetion here?
Clark Propst

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