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Re: New Rapido reefer--the roof?

Bill Schneider
 

Hi Ed,

If you have the RP Cyc #14, open to page 78 (the lead page in the article). You will see that the roof does indeed have boards, not metal. Further, Ed and Pat sent me the original scan of the photo on page 83 and it is very clearly a board roof. In fact, even in the book if you look back about half way down the right hand side of the roof you can see one board joint not quite even. The roof looks to be made of T&G with very tight joints, then covered with a fairly solid coat of car cement and/or paint. In talking with Ed Hawkins early on in the development of this project he admitted that the caption and text were in error regarding the roof.

Regarding the model, the roof is clearly..... overstated. I’ll cover that in my next e-mail.... ;>)

Bill Schneider
Rapido Trains

From: spsalso
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 5:57 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] New Rapido reefer--the roof?


I'm still interested in reconciling what looks like t&g planking on the roof of the model with the statements (supported by a roof shot) in RPC #14 that the roof surface was relatively smooth sheet metal. Which one's right?

Ed

Edward Sutorik





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New Rapido reefer--the roof?

spsalso
 

I'm still interested in reconciling what looks like t&g planking on the roof of the model with the statements (supported by a roof shot) in RPC #14 that the roof surface was relatively smooth sheet metal. Which one's right?


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: Possible prototypes for Sunshine's Warren & Columbian 8,000 gallon tankcars

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Darrall Swift wrote:

As a modeler who models late 1979, I'm always on the lookout for steam era kits that will fit into my era. So I got pretty excited when I picked up a couple of Sunshine kits for the Warren/Columbian 8,000 gal tankcars at a show in Pittsburgh last November.

I recently came across these cars that appear to be near matches for the Sunshine kits, but as I'm not an expert on steam era tankcars, I could use some confirmation that these are indeed insulated tankcars that match the kits.
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acfx/acfx4839akg.jpg
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2012552
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1250098
Depends a bit on what you mean by "match," but no, I'd say none of the photos you cite show the same car body. Two reasons for saying so: tank aspect ratio (length to diameter) is different, and dome-top fittings are quite different from the Sunshine car. However, the Warren kit does match the prototype photo of WRNX 204 in Ed Kaminski's tank car book.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Possible prototypes for Sunshine's Warren & Columbian 8,000 gallon tankcars

bn2204
 

G'Day All,

As a modeler who models late 1979, I'm always on the lookout for steam era kits that will fit into my era. So I got pretty excited when I picked up a couple of Sunshine kits for the Warren/Columbian 8,000 gal tankcars at a show in Pittsburgh last November.

http://sunshinekits.com/sunimages/sun36b.pdf

I recently came across these cars that appear to be near matches for the Sunshine kits, but as I'm not an expert on steam era tankcars, I could use some confirmation that these are indeed insulated tankcars that match the kits.

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acfx/acfx4839akg.jpg

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2012552

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1250098

Thanks in advance,

Darrall Swift
Modeling the BN&#92;GN&#92;MILW in North central Montana (Great Falls to Shelby) Circa: Fall of 1979


Re: Rapido Reefer and Sergent Couplers

Benjamin Hom
 

Larry Wolohon wrote:
"I thought that I heard that Sargent couplers will couple with scale Kadee
couplers such as #58, etc, which are what I have been using."

Whomever told you this is incorrect.  They are are NOT compatible with Kadee
couplers, scale or otherwise: 
http://www.sergentengineering.com/FAQCompatibility.htm 


Ben Hom


Re: Rapido Reefer and Sergent Couplers

Mark
 

Sergents will work if you remove the small flat part inside the #58 knuckle. They will uncouple with this treatment. Have hopes of going sergent.

Mark Morgan

--- On Tue, 1/11/11, larrywolohon@... <larrywolohon@...> wrote:

From: larrywolohon@... <larrywolohon@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Rapido Reefer and Sergent Couplers
To: STMFC@...
Date: Tuesday, January 11, 2011, 4:34 PM







 













Ed & others,



I thought that I heard that Sargent couplers will couple with scale Kadee couplers such as #58, etc, which are what I have been using.



Thanks,



Larry Wolohon

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From: "Ed" <nprybiged@...>

To: STMFC@...

Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 1:42:47 PM

Subject: [STMFC] Rapido Reefer and Sergent Couplers



 



Harding Douglas



Thank you for posting the photos of Rapido's new Reefer.



Was this car a prototype car of any railroad ? Rapido did

a go job the detail looks great. I would like to see

manufactors do the srirrups a little thinner. I know we

can always file them down, as I do.



Just an added note....I have purchased some Sergent Engineering

couplers and have put them on a couple of cars, man what

a differace they make. They will go on any model contest cars

I do. They operated with out a flaw. For someone staring out

I would recomend them. They will not interface with KD.



Again thanks for the posting



Ed Ursem





























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Re: Rapido Reefer and Sergent Couplers

Larry Wolohon
 

Ed & others,



I thought that I heard that Sargent couplers will couple with scale Kadee couplers such as #58, etc, which are what I have been using.



Thanks,



Larry Wolohon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed" <nprybiged@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 1:42:47 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Rapido Reefer and Sergent Couplers

 




Harding Douglas

Thank you for posting the photos of Rapido's new Reefer.

Was this car a prototype car of any railroad ? Rapido did
a go job the detail looks great. I would like to see
manufactors do the srirrups a little thinner. I know we
can always file them down, as I do.

Just an added note....I have purchased some Sergent Engineering
couplers and have put them on a couple of cars, man what
a differace they make. They will go on any model contest cars
I do. They operated with out a flaw. For someone staring out
I would recomend them. They will not interface with KD.

Again thanks for the posting

Ed Ursem




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Rapido Reefer and Sergent Couplers

Ed <nprybiged@...>
 

Harding Douglas

Thank you for posting the photos of Rapido's new Reefer.

Was this car a prototype car of any railroad ? Rapido did
a go job the detail looks great. I would like to see
manufactors do the srirrups a little thinner. I know we
can always file them down, as I do.

Just an added note....I have purchased some Sergent Engineering
couplers and have put them on a couple of cars, man what
a differace they make. They will go on any model contest cars
I do. They operated with out a flaw. For someone staring out
I would recomend them. They will not interface with KD.

Again thanks for the posting

Ed Ursem


Re: Rapido freight car at Cocoa Beach

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

Jason--

And you thought that we Canadian outline modellers were sometimes picky when discussing a Rapido model! ;)

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., "Jason Shron" <jshron@...> wrote:

See, Bill? I told you we should have stuck to Canadian prototypes!

-Jason


--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@> wrote:

It's a good choice for a prototype, but...

1. are you sure your photos show an HO model? maybe it's N scale?
2. tongue-in-grove wood sides don't have 1/2" gaps between boards
3. you might want to replace the Equipco brake wheel with something
a lot better http://www.kadee.com/htmbord/page2021-2031-2041.htm
4. sill steps have already been mentioned. at least they look easy
to replace
5. do the trucks look weird to you? it seems like the journal box lids
are almost vertical or even inverted

Tim O'Connor


Re: Window Glazing

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

I like your tagline, Rob! Could be mine, too...

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., "Rob & Bev Manley" <robev1630@...> wrote:

Paul,
I liked to use it on the windows for my Alloy Forms model cars. You could put a contolled ammount in the front and rear window of a car, invert the body and let it dry to a proper curved windshield. To add to it's protection I coated them with Future Flor polish. Some of my cars are over 20 years old.
Rob Manley
Midwest Mod-U-Trak
"Better modeling through personal embarassment"


Re: Rapido freight car at Cocoa Beach

Douglas Harding
 

Schuyler, prototype photos were published in RPCyc #14. Photos are also
available from Bob's photos. While I have a few in my collection, I am not
sure I have any that I can "legally" post. Let me take a look. I found one
of the car leased to Estherville packing, which I have permission to use for
non-commercial applications. I have posted it to Bill's rapido reefer photo
album. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/photos/album/1158312335/pic/list



Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: Rapido photos at Cocoa Beach + The Shoe

Tim O'Connor
 

Sanshu, the ancient art of modelus interruptus?

Upon reaching the fifth floor, John and Denny disembarked
still engrossed in the conversation. John soon arrived at his door and Denny
proceeded on down the hall way. Arriving at his door, he noticed that a shoe
was being used to prop open the door. Being highly analytical, Denny was a
bit curious about the shoe but continued on into the room. His curiosity
rose as he then noticed two people in bed. One might, I suppose, wonder what
Denny thought then but, regardless, he quickly beat a retreat which
continued until he reached the elevator in which he proceeded to the 6th
floor where his room was located...presumably sans shoe.

Mike Brock


Rapido photos at Cocoa Beach + The Shoe

mike brock <brockm@...>
 

Doug Harding writes:


Aaron, I have just uploaded photos of the new reefer, to Bill's new folder. They will be here once approved: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/photos/album/1158312335/pic/list
As many have probably noticed, having finally awakened from a dazed sleep [ I attended about 3.17 clinics and averaged about the same number of hours of sleep per night during Prototype Rails ], I have just approved Doug's photos of the new Rapido car.

The 2011 version of Prototype Rails did, BTW, add another item to the list of urban legends associated with such meets. Our very proper and extremely forthright and analytical member, Denny Anspach, apparently was deep into a conversation with John Greedy about a model [ one assumes ] while riding up in the elevator. Upon reaching the fifth floor, John and Denny disembarked still engrossed in the conversation. John soon arrived at his door and Denny proceeded on down the hall way. Arriving at his door, he noticed that a shoe was being used to prop open the door. Being highly analytical, Denny was a bit curious about the shoe but continued on into the room. His curiosity rose as he then noticed two people in bed. One might, I suppose, wonder what Denny thought then but, regardless, he quickly beat a retreat which continued until he reached the elevator in which he proceeded to the 6th floor where his room was located...presumably sans shoe.

Mike Brock


Re: Rapido freight car at Cocoa Beach

Jason Shron
 

See, Bill? I told you we should have stuck to Canadian prototypes!

-Jason

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

It's a good choice for a prototype, but...

1. are you sure your photos show an HO model? maybe it's N scale?
2. tongue-in-grove wood sides don't have 1/2" gaps between boards
3. you might want to replace the Equipco brake wheel with something
a lot better http://www.kadee.com/htmbord/page2021-2031-2041.htm
4. sill steps have already been mentioned. at least they look easy
to replace
5. do the trucks look weird to you? it seems like the journal box lids
are almost vertical or even inverted

Tim O'Connor


Re: Window Glazing

cj riley <cjriley42@...>
 

<How good is the liquid window-glazing that you put in with a "tooth-pick" (more <or less) for like, caboose windows?



<Does it dry thick enough to be strong against breaking and is it pretty smooth,
I have used such products extensively, particularly on brass caboose cupolas that are inaccessible from the inside. It works,  but visually it is less perfect than clear styrene (about as much difference as clear styrene is from slide glass. I find it to be acceptable and have some that approach 30 years old. It is best if you use it on all windows in a given model, so there is no contrast with sheet material.
Less material is better and it is possible to remove excess by poking through with a tooth pick, removing a small amount. a shiny finish should be added after curing.
CJ Riley







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Re: Rapido freight car at Cocoa Beach

Schuyler Larrabee
 

How about now putting up some photos of prototype versions?



I have to say that publishing photos of test shots like this is an acid
test, much like when Cliff Grandt learned that he needed to improve his
modeling skills by taking photographs of his work. It looked a LOT better
in person!



That said, I really like the scalloped ends on the boards, especially on the
ends of the car . . . they're very cute!

SGL



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Douglas Harding
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 10:07 PM
To: STMFC@...
Cc: Mike Brock
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Rapido freight car at Cocoa Beach





Aaron, I have just uploaded photos of the new reefer, to Bill's new folder.
They will be here once approved:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/photos/album/1158312335/pic/list

Thanks to Bill, I was able to take these images last Thursday, alas not
proper photo setup, so just some snapshots. Sorry I did not post earlier, am
having too much fun in Florida. Thanks to Mike, Marty, Jeff and the crew it
was a great weekend.

And thanks to Bill S, for what appears to be a great reefer. Note these
photos are of an earlier test shot. There is still much work that needs to
be done to the mold.

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org










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Re: Rapido freight car at Cocoa Beach

Douglas Harding
 

Aaron, I have just uploaded photos of the new reefer, to Bill's new folder.
They will be here once approved:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/photos/album/1158312335/pic/list

Thanks to Bill, I was able to take these images last Thursday, alas not
proper photo setup, so just some snapshots. Sorry I did not post earlier, am
having too much fun in Florida. Thanks to Mike, Marty, Jeff and the crew it
was a great weekend.



And thanks to Bill S, for what appears to be a great reefer. Note these
photos are of an earlier test shot. There is still much work that needs to
be done to the mold.



Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: Window Glazing

Rob & Bev Manley
 

Paul,
I liked to use it on the windows for my Alloy Forms model cars. You could put a contolled ammount in the front and rear window of a car, invert the body and let it dry to a proper curved windshield. To add to it's protection I coated them with Future Flor polish. Some of my cars are over 20 years old.
Rob Manley
Midwest Mod-U-Trak
"Better modeling through personal embarassment"

----- Original Message -----
From: behillman
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 8:44 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Window Glazing



How good is the liquid window-glazing that you put in with a "tooth-pick" (more or less) for like, caboose windows?

Does it dry thick enough to be strong against breaking and is it pretty smooth, consistent in transparency?

Thanks, Paul Hillman


Re: Rapido freight car at Cocoa Beach

Tim O'Connor
 

Brian

I'll let you know how the Genesis Geep turned out... when I see them
three weeks from now at Springfield. I'm going in with low expectations
so as not to be too disappointed. :-)

Tim O'

One hopes that this is like the first photos of the Athearn Genesis GP7/9;
just a test shot with revisions to come. Timbo has nailed this one quite
well.

Thanks!

Brian Paul Ehni


Re: Rapido freight car at Cocoa Beach

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

One hopes that this is like the first photos of the Athearn Genesis GP7/9;
just a test shot with revisions to come. Timbo has nailed this one quite
well.

--
Thanks!

Brian Paul Ehni

From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 21:18:01 -0500
To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Rapido freight car at Cocoa Beach







6. I forgot to ask -- did this prototype have a corrugated roof?

Tim O' (not getting enough Warmth and Sunshine in my diet)

It's a good choice for a prototype, but...

1. are you sure your photos show an HO model? maybe it's N scale?
2. tongue-in-grove wood sides don't have 1/2" gaps between boards
3. you might want to replace the Equipco brake wheel with something
a lot better http://www.kadee.com/htmbord/page2021-2031-2041.htm
4. sill steps have already been mentioned. at least they look easy
to replace
5. do the trucks look weird to you? it seems like the journal box lids
are almost vertical or even inverted

Tim O'Connor


At 1/10/2011 08:41 PM Monday, you wrote:
Aaron, I have just uploaded photos of the new reefer, to Bill's new folder.
They will be here once approved:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/photos/album/1158312335/pic/list
Thanks to Bill, I was able to take these images last Thursday, alas not proper
photo setup, so just some snapshots. Sorry I did not post earlier, am having too
much fun in Florida. Thanks to Mike, Marty, Jeff and the crew it was a great
weekend.

And thanks to Bill S, for what appears to be a great reefer. Note these photos
are of an earlier test shot. According to Bill, there is still much work that
needs to be done to the mold before ready for final test runs and production.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org








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