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automobile boxcar wreck

Mark
 

Found on the CB&Q Historical site, enjoy! My earlier post about my cars, did these have National B1 trucks when delivered?

http://www.burlingtonroute.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=3&pos=20

Mark Morgan


Re: RPM Etiquette

Schuyler Larrabee
 

So, is he still alive? I mean, shooting him in the back like that wasn't
cricket, but still . . .

SGL



years ago, I was asked to do a weathering clinic in Spokane, WA and
naturally I brought along some of my built up models - making it almost like
a mini RPM meet. After the clinic, and as I was standing right there, some
guy walked up to the table and grabbed a Detail Associates GS gondola that I
had totally stripped to the bone and rebuilt to match a NP prototype. It was
oil weathered and had a timber load in it - that I was a board-by-board
load. He grabbed it like it was a banana sitting there, wrapping his fingers
around the car. He flipped it over to look at the underframe - oddly enough
with four of his fingers blocking the view. Needless the say, the air left
my lungs and all I could say was, "I've got 55 hours in that car!! What are
you doing?!?" He just froze, I mean like Michelanglo's Statue of David. I
very carefully peeled back his fingers and extracted the car from his grasp.
Upon inspecting it for damage I quickly saw that just about every brake rod
was bend and other details were damaged. I looked at him with shock on my
face, he looked at me completely emotionless, and without saying a word
turned and walked away like nothing happened.

;-)

-Ryan








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proto 50' automobile boxcar Burlington

Mark
 

I have a pair of these and beleive the trucks might be incorrect and brake wheel used, any other thoughts?

Appreciate the help.
Mark Morgan


Re: RPM Etiquette

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

While this is a genuinely worthy topic for discussion much of what has been said has not really been constructive. We have all agreed that models should be picked up only with permission. That point is settled.

Are we to be an incestuous group, unwelcoming to newcomers and beginners? Or are we just about the most clever group ever assembled and entirely capable of finding a simple, intelligent way to, on the one hand, protect models from finger prints and damage and, on the other hand, find a way to satisfy the curiosity of others - or is theirs a desire to learn from experts - and not turn them off to the hobby? After all, their spending supports the manufacturers we want to keep in business. And perhaps we should refrain from referring to them by unflattering names, even among ourselves.

Let me offer a suggestion just to get a discussion going. Don't we all have digital cameras and good photo printers? Six large photos, one of each side, would go a long way towards showing the model without it being touched. But we could allow the photos to be handled, couldn't we?

Gene Green


Re: C&O 12392-12999 single door boxcars

water.kresse@...
 

They look like 1 1/2 doors to me.



Howard Ameling has three good pix of these " almost double-door" cars. 



The four series of cars are shown on C&O FC Diag Sheets 33 (single) and 34 (double-door) issued out of Cleveland, Ohio.  Those would be in one of the 1960s books that the C&O HS has for sale.



Al K resse

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Roth" <kenwroth@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2010 8:35:40 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: C&O 12392-12999 single door boxcars

While we're on the subject of C&O boxcars, I would like to know if
anyone has info or pictures of C&O double door series 12000-12168.  I
want to accurately model #12052.  Would these have similar features to
12392-12999?

     Thanks,
     Ken Roth






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Re: C&O 12392-12999 single door boxcars

Ken Roth
 

While we're on the subject of C&O boxcars, I would like to know if
anyone has info or pictures of C&O double door series 12000-12168. I
want to accurately model #12052. Would these have similar features to
12392-12999?

Thanks,
Ken Roth


Re: C&O 12392-12999 single door boxcars

roblmclear <rob.mclear2@...>
 

I am not all that well aquainted with the Viking roof but the Norfolk Southern car in the advertisement has something different from the others is that a Viking roof?

Rob McLear
Brisbane Australia.

--- In STMFC@..., Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:

Don Burn wrote:
"I can't tell from the photo (N-scale version)
http://www.atlasrr.com/NFreight/n1932boxcar2.htm
what the roof is, perhaps someone can resolve it."

It's a Climax radial roof; unfortunately, from the photo, the detail appears to
be rather "lumpy" and not very sharp.


Ben Hom

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Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars

rwitt_2000
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:

Bob

Are those etched running boards? They have a very thin profile.
Tim,

In one of the views the manner they curve, they look like they are thin
metal thus etched.

Bob Witt


Re: Red Caboose 103W welded tank car (& Cocoa Beach)

Tim O'Connor
 

Al

I wish there were such a decal set. Red Caboose actually produced this
model lettered USAX, but they chose a number series for a GATC built car
(catalog # RC-3032-x)

Tim O'Connor

I'm doing the 103W as a USAX car, and am about ready to letter it. In reviewing the kit (RMJ 4/96 p 56), Richard Hendrickson used Walthers decal set 131380. Walthers no longer catalogue their own decals. Does anyone know of a source for this set, or another source for an HO scale Army Transportation Corps logo? I think I can cobble up the rest of the lettering from other sets.

TIA

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
Yes, but you have been known to OPERATE trains at clubs, so that seems just a tad disingenuous... not to mention a tiny bit elitist.
"Disingenuous"? If and when I do operate at clubs, I am respectful of the equipment (in fact have been known to volunteer to fix cars that need repair or are GLARINGLY unweathered). And I don't bring my own equipment to those clubs, not even my older upgraded Athearn stuff. Is that somehow "elitist" or do you recommend that I attempt to reach the lowest common denominator of modeling and equipment handling to show how egalitarian I am? Or are you just blowing a little smoke?
I have no quarrel with those who have the stamina, energy and thick skin to continue to be active in clubs. I've been there and don't want to do that any more.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: RPM Etiquette

Ned Carey <nedspam@...>
 

"Beware of spiders" -- that has only 3 words!
I was thinking a sign that says "Wet Paint" - that's only two words.

Ned


Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars

Brian Carlson
 

Or those that do choose to leave the nice stuff at home. VP of the Model RR
club of Buffalo. Our members can undetail anything. I will say that Kadee
cars are surprisingly resilient



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

prrk41361@...



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Anthony Thompson
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 6:01 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars





Tim O'Connor wrote:
Plastic drop grabs have a half-life of 12 months on a club layout.
Among the many reasons that bunches of us do NOT belong to
clubs . . . <g>

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
<mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com>
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: RPM Etiquette

Tim O'Connor
 

And I just remembered, another model of mine (a brass Milwaukee box car)
got moved several times by the photographer doing a shoot for Railmodel
Journal. He just liked putting in the background of his shots... Honestly
it didn't bother me at all, but like Ryan I'd probably flip if some bozo
did a 5-fingered grab of a delicate model of mine.

Tim O'Connor

Back at Naperville a few years ago, I did move several models (not
really picking them up, but I did use my fingers) to get them lighted
better or to move them out of the way of something else. I was very
careful but I shouldn't have done it. I know some folks are extremely
sensitive about such things. When I brought stuff to Naperville I saw
some respectful handling of my models... And one of the Loftons actually
dropped my Sunshine gondola, crushing the end. Stuff happens. I fixed it.

http://www.pbase.com/timboconnor/naperville_2007&page=all

Tim O'Connor

I am one who was guilty of touching the models. I moved some of Stan
Rydarowicz's reefers to get better pictures. But the pictures are used for
the web page I've created for his products on my Sunshine website. And I'm
not a 'pick up everything' kind of guy. There are a number of 'Do Not Touch'
signs on the table but maybe more are needed.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars

Tim O'Connor
 

Tony

Yes, but you have been known to OPERATE trains at clubs, so that
seems just a tad disingenuous... not to mention a tiny bit elitist.

Tim O'Connor

Tim O'Connor wrote:
Plastic drop grabs have a half-life of 12 months on a club layout.
Among the many reasons that bunches of us do NOT belong to
clubs . . . <g>

Tony Thompson


Re: RPM Etiquette

Tim O'Connor
 

"Beware of spiders" -- that has only 3 words!

Tim O'Connor

At 11/4/2010 02:52 PM Thursday, you wrote:
Denny,

Your suggestion is very courteous, and overly worded. These days, if a
sign has more than five words, it will probably be ignored by many
people. How about a small card by the model that says, "Thank you for
not touching"? Courteous, to the point, and short.

Kind regards,
Garth Groff


Re: RPM Etiquette

Joseph
 

Hmmm, If he had done that to a car of mine, he wouldn't have walked away.........
Maybe limped.
Joe Binish
Freight Car Ninja

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From: "rreed_eagle" <twogreyhounds@...>
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 3:15 PM
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: RPM Etiquette

Several years ago, I was asked to do a weathering clinic in Spokane, WA and naturally I brought along some of my built up models - making it almost like a mini RPM meet. After the clinic, and as I was standing right there, some guy walked up to the table and grabbed a Detail Associates GS gondola that I had totally stripped to the bone and rebuilt to match a NP prototype. It was oil weathered and had a timber load in it - that I was a board-by-board load. He grabbed it like it was a banana sitting there, wrapping his fingers around the car. He flipped it over to look at the underframe - oddly enough with four of his fingers blocking the view. Needless the say, the air left my lungs and all I could say was, "I've got 55 hours in that car!! What are you doing?!?" He just froze, I mean like Michelanglo's Statue of David. I very carefully peeled back his fingers and extracted the car from his grasp. Upon inspecting it for damage I quickly saw that just about every brake rod was bend and other details were damaged. I looked at him with shock on my face, he looked at me completely emotionless, and without saying a word turned and walked away like nothing happened.

;-)

-Ryan



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Re: RPM Etiquette

Tim O'Connor
 

Back at Naperville a few years ago, I did move several models (not
really picking them up, but I did use my fingers) to get them lighted
better or to move them out of the way of something else. I was very
careful but I shouldn't have done it. I know some folks are extremely
sensitive about such things. When I brought stuff to Naperville I saw
some respectful handling of my models... And one of the Loftons actually
dropped my Sunshine gondola, crushing the end. Stuff happens. I fixed it.

http://www.pbase.com/timboconnor/naperville_2007&page=all

Tim O'Connor

I am one who was guilty of touching the models. I moved some of Stan
Rydarowicz's reefers to get better pictures. But the pictures are used for
the web page I've created for his products on my Sunshine website. And I'm
not a 'pick up everything' kind of guy. There are a number of 'Do Not Touch'
signs on the table but maybe more are needed.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
Plastic drop grabs have a half-life of 12 months on a club layout.
Among the many reasons that bunches of us do NOT belong to clubs . . . <g>

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Bob Witt wrote:
I searched the archives and find no posts since June on these models. BLI web site has photos of the model with Dreadnaught ends.

http://www.broadway-limited.com/nycsteelboxcars.aspx

They appear to have plastic hand holds not wire ones, which makes them too thick and more like the ones on the old LL P2K Mather stocks cars. Can anyone comment further who may have received a sample to review? The current delivery date is January 2011.
The model photos do look like a pretty heavy grab iron, but at least it's not a cast-on ledge like some manufacturers are STILL doing (naming no names). You may have noticed these cars were originally scheduled for Summer 2010, then September, then November, now January 2011. There's a rumor that the test shots required several corrections, which if true means that BLI is trying to avoid at least the worst errors. But that also raises the point that the grabs seen on the website today may NOT be the final configuration.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars

Tim O'Connor
 

Bob

Are those etched running boards? They have a very thin profile.

The trucks are ASF with spring planks, but the bolster ends look a
little odd to me.

Plastic drop grabs have a half-life of 12 months on a club layout.

Tim O'Connor

BLI web site has photos of the model with Dreadnaught ends.

http://www.broadway-limited.com/nycsteelboxcars.aspx

They appear to have plastic hand holds not wire ones, which makes them
too thick and more like the ones on the old LL P2K Mather stocks cars.
Can anyone comment further who may have received a sample to review? The
current delivery date is January 2011.

Bob Witt

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