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Re: DRG&W Boxcars RE: Sunshine website update

Paul Lyons
 

...and Brian, what makes you think this Sunshine offering will be right on the money!

Paul Lyons

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian J Carlson <prrk41361@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sat, Jul 10, 2010 5:38 pm
Subject: DRG&W Boxcars RE: [STMFC] Sunshine website update




Yes! D&GRW boxcars, finally being done by someone. They were 72 % of the
D&RGW of the D&GRW boxcar fleet in 1957. (my era) and to date every HO
boxcar has been wrong.

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

prrk41361@...

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Jim
Hayes
Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 7:51 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Sunshine website update

I received a mailing from Sunshine today and I've added it all to my
website. Flyers for new kits include the Pullman built SFRD Rr-44 reefer,
Linde box/tank cars, D&RGW Pressed Steel Boxcars and a reissue of the ATSF
Fe-26 auto/boxcar.

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Re: open car doors

soolinehistory <destorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., kenneth broomfield <newtmachineworks@...> wrote:

Well one reason is if it is a plug door it is an FRA defect for it to be open,
loaded or not. If it is a slidding door it is also a defect to leave it open if
it is loaded. So the only correct time for a door to be open is if it is a
slidding door on a car that is empty.

Kenny Broomfield

Based on the 1960 cut-off date for this list, what's an FRA?

Dennis


Re: Maxend Hoppers

Gene <mopac1@...>
 

Sorry. Gene Semon MoPac/M-I Modeler

--- In STMFC@..., "Gene" <bierglaeser@...> wrote:

Gene who please?
Not me.
Gene Green

--- In STMFC@..., "Gene" <mopac1@> wrote:

Folks,

Can anyone point me to some information about "maxend" for hoppers? I've done several on-line searches and on various groups with no real results.

Thanx,

Gene


Re: open car doors

kenneth broomfield
 

Well one reason is if it is a plug door it is an FRA defect for it to be open,
loaded or not. If it is a slidding door it is also a defect to leave it open if
it is loaded. So the only correct time for a door to be open is if it is a
slidding door on a car that is empty.

Kenny Broomfield




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From: rockroll50401 <cepropst@q.com>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sat, July 10, 2010 8:13:48 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: open car doors

 


The more I think about this, if only a couple cars in a train had their doors
open it would be rememberable.
I watched a DVD on the RI in the 60s a few days ago. With an hours worth of
trains rolling past I only remember one car with it's doors open. There could
have been more, but I remember one.
So, things like this stick in your head.

I remember as a kid thinking it was cool to be able to see through the car as if
rolled past : )

Clark Propst







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DRG&W Boxcars RE: Sunshine website update

Brian Carlson
 

Yes! D&GRW boxcars, finally being done by someone. They were 72 % of the
D&RGW of the D&GRW boxcar fleet in 1957. (my era) and to date every HO
boxcar has been wrong.



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

prrk41361@...



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Jim
Hayes
Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 7:51 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Sunshine website update





I received a mailing from Sunshine today and I've added it all to my
website. Flyers for new kits include the Pullman built SFRD Rr-44 reefer,
Linde box/tank cars, D&RGW Pressed Steel Boxcars and a reissue of the ATSF
Fe-26 auto/boxcar.


Re: Standard Oil (1942) Tank Car?

Thomas Warne <warne@...>
 

The right to use the Standard Oil trade name in North Carolina was heldby Standard Oil of New Jersey, which generally used the tradename "Esso"Most of their tank cars were leased from UTLX I believe.  
Other "Standard Oil" companies could have dealerships in North Carolina,but could not use the Standard Oil name or variants. For example, StandardOil of Indiana used the tradename "Amoco" in North Carolina.  I believe Standard Oil of California was using "Chevron" by that time.Tom Warne

--- On Sat, 7/10/10, milepost1 <sryn.dump@...> wrote:

From: milepost1 <sryn.dump@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Standard Oil (1942) Tank Car?
To: STMFC@...
Date: Saturday, July 10, 2010, 7:56 AM
















 









My layout has a location for a Standard Oil Distributor. (Sanborn Map shows four vertical tanks so it wasn't huge. My time period is 1942. Location western North Carolina.



Needless to say I don't need a fleet of tank cars but one or two ACCURATE cars might be nice.



So I'm beginning research. Can anyone direct me to good sources of information. I've got the 1922 Car Builders which shows a few drawings etc. I've hunted for photos but haven't found Standard Oil specific photos which as I recall is because they weren't lettered that way.



Thanks.



Gordon Andrews



























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Sunshine website update

Jim Hayes
 

I received a mailing from Sunshine today and I've added it all to my
website. Flyers for new kits include the Pullman built SFRD Rr-44 reefer,
Linde box/tank cars, D&RGW Pressed Steel Boxcars and a reissue of the ATSF
Fe-26 auto/boxcar. There is also a flyer for the Ship Plate load introduced
at Naperville last Fall. It includes a very helpful photo of the model. The
Sun, an annual newsletter includes info about an in-development
circumferential tank car. An SF convention flyer shows pictures of the new
releases which have flyers, plus wood & steel Swift reefers with new decals
and mention of a GN plywood box with red/black/white "Scotchlite" herald.

The flyers can be viewed via my Recent Flyers page. The Sun and the SF
convention flyer can be accessed on the Sunshine Meets page.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


Re: Red Caboose 103W welded tankcar

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Guy Wilber wrote:
Bill is correct, ICC Order 21997 was issued on June 8, 1943 and the provisions regarding metal running boards were added to the
interchange rules effective January 1, 1944. The rule covered only, "Box and Other House Cars."
Thank you, Guy. I've relied on a statement in Railway Age about the new rule (which I Xeroxed years ago), and it omitted the house-car application. My error, and I'm glad to get it corrected.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: What tank cars would be most appropriate for roads operating around Chicago...

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

Right. As I noted, a tank car with longitudinal seams has "radial" rivets too.

KL

----- Original Message -----
From: Schuyler Larrabee

The nomenclature refers to the location of the SEAM, not the orientation of
the rivets.


Re: Red Caboose 103W welded tankcar

Guy Wilber
 

On Jul 9, 2010, at 9:43 PM, Anthony Thompson <thompson@...
wrote:

Bill is correct about dome steps and platforms. But ALL running
boards had to be "other than wood" after 1944 for new construction.
That 1844 AAR order does not state exceptions for any car type.
Bill is correct, ICC Order 21997 was issued on June 8, 1943 and the provisions regarding metal running boards were added to the interchange rules effective January 1, 1944. The rule covered only, "Box and Other House Cars."

During 1947 the AAR's Arbitration Committee revised the rule to include tank car running boards, dome platforms and dome steps along with brake steps for house cars.

As Bill Kelly correctly stated, the changes within Rule 3, Section (r) took effect on January 1, 1948.

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada


Re: Red Caboose 103W welded tankcar

Guy Wilber
 

On Jul 9, 2010, at 9:43 PM, Anthony Thompson <thompson@...
wrote:
Bill is correct about dome steps and platforms. But ALL running
boards had to be "other than wood" after 1944 for new construction.
That 1844 AAR order does not state exceptions for any car type.
Bill is correct, the


Re: What tank cars would be most appropriate for roads operating around Chicago...

Schuyler Larrabee
 

The nomenclature refers to the location of the SEAM, not the orientation of
the rivets.


SGL

I disagree with Kurt on this; consider radial aircraft engines.
Are the cylinders arranged pointed into the fuselage? No, they
are arranged around the circumference. The rivets arranged radially
on a tank car are each on a radius drawn from the center of the
tank. That is what makes them radial. (I'm not making this up;
look it up in a dictionary.)

A tank car is not a cylinder. If it were, we'd call them cylinder
cars.

Tim O'Connor

At 7/10/2010 02:07 PM Saturday, you wrote:
But radial is so much easier to type than circum... whatever.

Jim Hayes

There are three directions on a cylinder: axial/longitudinal, radial, and
tangential/circumferential.







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Re: Sunshine kits

Dennis Williams
 

I think that Sunshine Models, Wright Trak, Westerfield, Rail Yard, F&C, Sylvan, Smoky Mountain to name a few, try hard to keep a hobby affordable and available. By the way, before I get too far I would like to thank ALL the masters for their hard work and talents.  Please drop me a line, I would like to talk sometime. With well over 300 kits built from all different manufactures, some are more difficult than others. 
  I built 3 of the same Sunshine kits which 2 were very easy to assemble.  The 3rd was a nightmare!!!  The sides were of different lengths and warpage.  Let's not forget the kit that took over 24 hours total time to build. I would like to thank that master, personally. LOL.
  The kits now are much easier to work with than the earlier ones.  Remember THE 1st one from Sunshine??  MoPac gon.  Rough kit compared to the Quick-kits of today.  This is what keeps our modeling skills sharp!!
  We are loosing a few good companies here and there from low interest in modeling (RTR)and retirement. Finding parts for custom work can be difficult.
  Let's keep building!!
  We can not wait to meet some of the modelers on this group in Naperville this October.
 
  Dennis Williams/Owner
  Resinbuilders4u.com

--- On Sat, 7/10/10, ed_mines <ed_mines@...> wrote:


From: ed_mines <ed_mines@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Sunshine kits
To: STMFC@...
Date: Saturday, July 10, 2010, 11:50 AM


 





--- In STMFC@..., John Golden <golden1014@...> wrote:
Well, I didn't intend to open anything up, but I have been dissatisfied with quite a number of Sunshine offerings over the years. I'm thankful Martin does what he does and does it well, but I have had occasional trouble over the years with detail rendition and fit.
I've noticed big variations in quality of Sunshine kits for a number of years in appearance, fit and instructions.

I think this is due to different men making the masters. This is kind a a shadow topic (at least for me). I know Frank Hodina is given credit for some of the kits and I've always been impressed with anything from him.

I'm glad Sunshine shows a picture of the built up models.

Ed Mines











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Re: What tank cars would be most appropriate for roads operating around Chicago...

Tim O'Connor
 

I disagree with Kurt on this; consider radial aircraft engines.
Are the cylinders arranged pointed into the fuselage? No, they
are arranged around the circumference. The rivets arranged radially
on a tank car are each on a radius drawn from the center of the
tank. That is what makes them radial. (I'm not making this up;
look it up in a dictionary.)

A tank car is not a cylinder. If it were, we'd call them cylinder
cars.

Tim O'Connor

At 7/10/2010 02:07 PM Saturday, you wrote:
But radial is so much easier to type than circum... whatever.

Jim Hayes

There are three directions on a cylinder: axial/longitudinal, radial, and
tangential/circumferential.


Stillwell Trucks

Paul Hillman
 

I'm working on building an F&C HO Stillwell combination car with the original Stillwell trucks.

Trying to add brake-rigging and shoes to the trucks. F&C says the wheels are 36", but in my scaling some Stillwell photos, the wheels look more like 33".

I believe the trucks have been / are, called Arch-Bar Stillwells.

Does anyone know of any original Stillwell car drawings, and dwgs. of the trucks and their unique, out-board brake-rodding?

Thanks, Paul Hillman


Re: GATC 2600 Airslides

Ed Hawkins
 

On Jul 10, 2010, at 3:03 PM, Todd Horton wrote:

What is the date of the paint scheme for the Jack Frost cars?
Todd,
GACX 42380 was built 12-55.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Sunshine kits

Tim O'Connor
 

Some of Martin's early kits were alumilite (yellow-tan) castings, and
the USRA rebuilds in particular were crude compared to Hodina's masterful
work (which I think, IIRC, began with the 1932 ARA kits). The quality of
Sunshine's first kits was on a par with F&C/YC/RPI/WS of the same era but
far behind Al Westerfield's work. But a lot has changed in what, almost
20 years now? Both Al and Martin have been known to fiddle with masters
before turning them into kits (much to the chagrin of certain pattern
makers) and even the master master makers (MMM's?) turn to specialists
sometimes, riveting for example, or tank car bodies :-)

That sales curve applies to a LOT of consumer products! But ADVERTISING
is actually the way to flatten the curve or perhaps give it more of an
up-and-down "reflected wave" profile slowly diminishing to a dribble at
the end. The problem is simply to bring it to the consumer's attention.
Model RR vendors often seem not to realize that a single announcement,
followed by total silence, is not going to reach everyone who might be
interested!

(For example a vendor can "buy" Google search phrases so if a consumer
types "Sunshine resin kit" or whatever, an ad-link for such kits would
appear.)

Tim O'Connor

Charlie Slater does the Santa Fe patterns for Martin, and they seem to be of excellent quality.

Earlier in this thread someone mentioned F&C as the originator of Sunshine's 1932 boxcar patterns, and no one refuted it. F&C did 1932 boxcars for one or more of the small New England resin kit marketers (Yankee Clipper, RPI Shop, Steam Shack) and of course for themselves, but I think the F&C - Sunshine relationship ended long before Martin brought out the Sunshine version. (The rights to the earliest Sunshine models cast by F&C reverted to F&C when the demand tailed off after the initial burst and Martin couldn't justify reordering the quantities needed - on a continuing basis - to retain the rights. Hindsight tells us that that was the classic demand curve for resin kits, peaking in the first three months and then dropping to almost nothing. But at the time, most everything but brass models was always available and sold steadily, and I suspect Martin thought it would be the same for resin kits. Now, everyone knows better.)

Tom Madden


Re: GATC 2600 Airslides

George Frey <orangetrainman33@...>
 

come on now  Tood everone knowes "jack frost" only comes in the winter lol
 George
Frey                                                                     




________________________________
From: Todd Horton <toddchorton@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sat, July 10, 2010 1:03:55 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] GATC 2600 Airslides

 
What is the date of the paint scheme for the Jack Frost cars?

________________________________
From: "blindog@..." <blindog@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sat, July 10, 2010 3:27:56 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] GATC 2600 Airslides

 
Brian Carlson asked:

Athearn announced new airslides today. Are the hatches on the Jack Frost car
correct? I know the Jack frost PS-2 had different hatch locations.
http://www.athearn.com/newsletter/062210/11_GATC_Airslide_062210.pdf
The General-American Airslide was a proprietary design with special hatches. I
don't see why the Jack Frost cars would have different hatches. All an Airslide
needs to be food-grade is the proper lining.

Scott Chatfield


Re: GATC 2600 Airslides

Todd Horton
 

What is the date of the paint scheme for the Jack Frost cars?




________________________________
From: "blindog@..." <blindog@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sat, July 10, 2010 3:27:56 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] GATC 2600 Airslides

 
Brian Carlson asked:

Athearn announced new airslides today. Are the hatches on the Jack Frost car
correct? I know the Jack frost PS-2 had different hatch locations.
http://www.athearn.com/newsletter/062210/11_GATC_Airslide_062210.pdf
The General-American Airslide was a proprietary design with special hatches. I
don't see why the Jack Frost cars would have different hatches. All an Airslide
needs to be food-grade is the proper lining.

Scott Chatfield






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Re: Sunshine kits

pullmanboss <tcmadden@...>
 

I've noticed big variations in quality of Sunshine kits for a number of years in appearance, fit and instructions.

I think this is due to different men making the masters. This is kind a a shadow topic (at least for me). I know Frank Hodina is given credit for some of the kits and I've always been impressed with anything from him.
Charlie Slater does the Santa Fe patterns for Martin, and they seem to be of excellent quality.

Earlier in this thread someone mentioned F&C as the originator of Sunshine's 1932 boxcar patterns, and no one refuted it. F&C did 1932 boxcars for one or more of the small New England resin kit marketers (Yankee Clipper, RPI Shop, Steam Shack) and of course for themselves, but I think the F&C - Sunshine relationship ended long before Martin brought out the Sunshine version. (The rights to the earliest Sunshine models cast by F&C reverted to F&C when the demand tailed off after the initial burst and Martin couldn't justify reordering the quantities needed - on a continuing basis - to retain the rights. Hindsight tells us that that was the classic demand curve for resin kits, peaking in the first three months and then dropping to almost nothing. But at the time, most everything but brass models was always available and sold steadily, and I suspect Martin thought it would be the same for resin kits. Now, everyone knows better.)

Tom Madden

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