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Re: Interesting set of STM-era photos

Benjamin Hom
 

John Stokes wrote:
"It would help if you would educate the great unwashed out here, what did I miss in my comments? Here is the info from the link you so kindly posted for me. I believe I was correct in my assumption that these photos were original color photos and not hand painted black & white photos. Was it the use of the term "film" that got your dander up? Sorry, should have said "slides" or "transparencies." Same point, however."

Sir, words have meaning. You posted:
"They were apparently actual color photos from early color film, not the hand painted photos that we also see from time to time where the color might be a figment of the colorist's imagination."

In an academic discussion, the word "apparently" is a weasel word that translates as "I'm uncertain about my facts." As I stated before, this collection has been discussed at length on this list, and the giveaway that this collection was photographed on transparencies was the discussion regarding Kodachrome over the past few days. Additionally, the background on this collection is well documented on the Library of Congress website. Don't get angry with me over constructive criticism.

John also wrote:
"Wow, well excuse me, Sir! I guess I forgot that this group is restricted to only the self important and self acknowledged 'experts.'"

Sir, I will happily match my body of work against yours any day of the week.


Ben Hom


Bill Folsom Photo CDs

Michael <alcofm@...>
 

Would anyone know if the Bill Folsom Photo CDs are still available anywhere? I was especially interested in locating the Georgia RR / A&WP / WofA freight cars CD, along with the CofG and A&WP passenger train CDs that were produced.

Mike Meier


Re: How thick is 0.040 styrene?

Steve Haas
 

"But the sample of Evergreen #9040 0.040" styrene I have measures 0.042"
thick. Is it just my sample? Is yours the same? If it's consistent, then
I can just re-draw at 0.042"; if it's a wide range, then I'll have to adjust
accordingly."

Jeff,

Just checked a several year old piece of .Evergreen .040 that I've got here.
My instrumentation isn't as accurate as it should be for a discussion like
this, but by eyeball on the calipers it would appear to be close to the
aforementioned .042. Wouldn't use my measurements as a standalone, but they
may serve to support the measurements of others.

Best,

Steve Haas
Snoqualmie, WA


Re: How thick is 0.040 styrene?

Aley, Jeff A
 

Never mind; it turns out that it was my (relatively inexpensive dial) calipers, and/or the moron using them.

A mechanical engineer here at work re-measured the sheets using a high-quality set of digital calipers, and they are 0.0405".

Regards,

-Jeff


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Aley, Jeff A
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 10:07 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] How thick is 0.040 styrene?



..and what color is George Washington's white horse?

No seriously, I'm designing a laser-kit that has tab-and-slot construction. I drew the slots to fit 0.040" material.

But the sample of Evergreen #9040 0.040" styrene I have measures 0.042" thick. Is it just my sample? Is yours the same? If it's consistent, then I can just re-draw at 0.042"; if it's a wide range, then I'll have to adjust accordingly.

Thanks for your help.

Regards,

-Jeff


Re: Interesting set of STM-era photos

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
Colors have definitely changed over the years. I remember this was
explained quite clearly in a Calvin & Hobbes Sunday edition...
http://www.cooperativeindividualism.org/calvin-father-on-black-and-white-pictures.gif
Extremely good hit, Tim. I'd forgotten that one. Reminds me that I do miss Calvin & Hobbes (and Larson !).

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Interesting set of STM-era photos

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

John Stokes wrote:
Wow, well excuse me, Sir! I guess I forgot that this group is restricted to only the self important and self acknowledged "experts." Won't post again anytime soon, other more important and friendlier groups to participate in.
Better cut down on the caffeine, John. Ben is as constructive and helpful a member of this list as there is. And if you don't realize he IS an expert, you need to get out more.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Interesting set of STM-era photos

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Al Brown wrote:
A few days ago we discussed colors in a Jack Delano freight-yard photo, as they might be applied to STMFC modelling. This group of photos also has some Delano pictures of non-railroad subjects; what do y'all think of the colors in those? (I wish I could ask my late dad, who remembered that time.)
Reminds me of the theory that before 1935 or so, the world actually was NOT in color, but in B&W. That's what all the evidence shows, anyway.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Explosive Card Board - Drawing

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Charlie Vlk wrote:
Obviously it isn't "explosive cardboard" but a Board for Explosive Cards..... just your normal wood tackboards that also got "Do Not Hump" and other notices nailed to it...
That's why drawings call them out as "placard boards."

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: [Ops-Ind] Grain box cars

wlhoss@...
 

Jeff,

I use to work at a place where I had occasion to use a car mover like shown
in the film. As long as the track was fairly level, moving the car was
not to hard - if it started rolling however, stopping it was much harder as
anyone who's tried to stop one with 2x4's can attest . . . . and I would
hate to have to move the same car in the winter though when everything is
stiffer, including my fingers.

In a message dated 8/5/2010 11:20:15 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
Jeff.A.Aley@... writes:

Doug,

Great video!

Can a plain-bearing equipped box car be moved using the same method as
shown in the video? I believe that plain bearings are much harder to get
started (vs roller bearings).

Regards,

-Jeff


Re: Interesting set of STM-era photos

al_brown03
 

I asked the question because the other day, someone felt Delano's freight-yard pictures generally look dark, i.e. darker than the actual objects would be. This suggests that to use these pictures as references for modelling, we'd need to lighten the colors. Freight-car colors vary in the first place and change with weathering, and most industrial areas are less grimy now than years ago; so I thought I'd check the perception mentioned above, against Delano's colors of non-railroad objects, via the memories of those who were there. (I wasn't.) Mr Stokes's recollection is exactly the type of memory I was hoping for, and I thank him. I'm not an expert on photography or the OWI collection so can't address those matters.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

P.S. Larry Jackman would agree with Calvin's father, and told the list so. :-)

--- In STMFC@..., John Stokes <ggstokes@...> wrote:


Wow, well excuse me, Sir! I guess I forgot that this group is restricted to only the self important and self acknowledged "experts." Won't post again anytime soon, other more important and friendlier groups to participate in.

It would help if you would educate the great unwashed out here, what did I miss in my comments? Here is the info from the link you so kindly posted for me. I believe I was correct in my assumption that these photos were original color photos and not hand painted black & white photos. Was it the use of the term "film" that got your dander up? Sorry, should have said "slides" or "transparencies." Same point, however.

"The 644 color photographs produced by the FSA are less well known and far less extensive than the unit's black-and-white photographs. Most of the color images are 35mm Kodachrome slides; a few are color transparencies in sizes up to 4x5-inches. The FSA color photographs depict life in the United States, including Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands, with a focus on rural areas and farm labor.

"The 965 color photographs from the OWI are color transparencies in sizes up to 4x5-inches. The photographs depicted life and culture in the U.S., with a focus on factories and women employees, railroads, aviation training, and other aspects of World War II mobilization."

John Stokes
Bellevue, WA


To: STMFC@...
From: b.hom@...
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 19:22:11 +0000
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Interesting set of STM-era photos








John Stokes wrote:
"They were apparently actual color photos from early color film, not the hand painted photos that we also see from time to time where the color might be a figment of the colorist's imagination."

Wow. You really don't know much about the FSA/OWI Collection. Here's a link to some background regarding the collection; addtional links on the page give further context to this remarkable collection of photos.
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/collection/fsac/background.html

Ben Hom







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Re: trying to identify the double-sheathed boxcar on the extreme left

Tim O'Connor
 

My guess is a MILW company car -- the 26 MB tiff makes it look
like the first digit of the car number is "X" -- which is how the
MILW numbered company service cars.

At 8/5/2010 01:26 PM Thursday, you wrote:
Hi List Members,

Pls have a look at the image (Digital ID: fsa 8a04520) below:

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/I?fsaall:46:./temp/~ammem_7DuA::displayType=1:m856sd=fsa:m856sf=8a04520:@@@

I'm trying to identify the double-sheathed boxcar on the extreme left of the photo, with the strap steel reinforcements going around the corners from the sides onto the ends.

I downloaded the 13 megabyte TIFF version (there is a link for this purpose on the above page), but could not identify the owning road.

I'm suspecting a GN car, but this is only a guess on my part.

Any thoughts?

Thanks in advance - Claus Schlund at Hell Gate Models


Re: Interesting set of STM-era photos

Stokes John
 

Wow, well excuse me, Sir! I guess I forgot that this group is restricted to only the self important and self acknowledged "experts." Won't post again anytime soon, other more important and friendlier groups to participate in.

It would help if you would educate the great unwashed out here, what did I miss in my comments? Here is the info from the link you so kindly posted for me. I believe I was correct in my assumption that these photos were original color photos and not hand painted black & white photos. Was it the use of the term "film" that got your dander up? Sorry, should have said "slides" or "transparencies." Same point, however.

"The 644 color photographs produced by the FSA are less well known and far less extensive than the unit's black-and-white photographs. Most of the color images are 35mm Kodachrome slides; a few are color transparencies in sizes up to 4x5-inches. The FSA color photographs depict life in the United States, including Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands, with a focus on rural areas and farm labor.

"The 965 color photographs from the OWI are color transparencies in sizes up to 4x5-inches. The photographs depicted life and culture in the U.S., with a focus on factories and women employees, railroads, aviation training, and other aspects of World War II mobilization."

John Stokes
Bellevue, WA


To: STMFC@...
From: b.hom@...
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 19:22:11 +0000
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Interesting set of STM-era photos








John Stokes wrote:
"They were apparently actual color photos from early color film, not the hand painted photos that we also see from time to time where the color might be a figment of the colorist's imagination."

Wow. You really don't know much about the FSA/OWI Collection. Here's a link to some background regarding the collection; addtional links on the page give further context to this remarkable collection of photos.
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/collection/fsac/background.html

Ben Hom


Re: Interesting set of STM-era photos

Benjamin Hom
 

John Stokes wrote:
"They were apparently actual color photos from early color film, not the hand painted photos that we also see from time to time where the color might be a figment of the colorist's imagination."

Wow. You really don't know much about the FSA/OWI Collection. Here's a link to some background regarding the collection; addtional links on the page give further context to this remarkable collection of photos.
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/collection/fsac/background.html


Ben Hom


Re: Interesting set of STM-era photos

Stokes John
 

Thanks for the chuckle, I haven't seen that one for eons.

My own personal opinion and recollection is that the colors of the buildings in these photos is accurate for the time period. They were apparently actual color photos from early color film, not the hand painted photos that we also see from time to time where the color might be a figment of the colorist's imagination. As has been documented in several books on the period, after the early part of the century, especially into the 30's and 40's, many houses and buildings were painted simple white, and of course, oxide or barn red was also common.

John Stokes
Bellevue, WA



To: STMFC@...
From: timboconnor@...
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 14:45:15 -0400
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Interesting set of STM-era photos







Colors have definitely changed over the years. I remember this was
explained quite clearly in a Calvin & Hobbes Sunday edition...
http://www.cooperativeindividualism.org/calvin-father-on-black-and-white-pictures.gif

Tim O'Connor


Re: Interesting set of STM-era photos

Tim O'Connor
 

Colors have definitely changed over the years. I remember this was
explained quite clearly in a Calvin & Hobbes Sunday edition...
http://www.cooperativeindividualism.org/calvin-father-on-black-and-white-pictures.gif

Tim O'Connor

At 8/5/2010 11:47 AM Thursday, you wrote:
A few days ago we discussed colors in a Jack Delano freight-yard photo, as they might be applied to STMFC modelling. This group of photos also has some Delano pictures of non-railroad subjects; what do y'all think of the colors in those? (I wish I could ask my late dad, who remembered that time.)

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: [Ops-Ind] Grain box cars

Aley, Jeff A
 

Doug,

Great video!

Can a plain-bearing equipped box car be moved using the same method as shown in the video? I believe that plain bearings are much harder to get started (vs roller bearings).

Regards,

-Jeff


From: Ry-ops-industrialSIG@... [mailto:Ry-ops-industrialSIG@...] On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 11:40 AM
To: OpSIG
Subject: [Ops-Ind] Grain box cars



Here is a link to a great short film on a typical day in the life of a grain elevator. Lots of good detail, including coopering a
grain door, moving a boxcar by hand, and how they were filled. While shot in 1981, it shows how boxcars were filled with grain for
probably the last 100 years.

http://www.nfb.ca/film/grain_elevator/

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org


CA and brass

russ hass <rhass@...>
 

Ive had good luck using both CA and Barge cement. I apply the Barge cement to one piece, position it then aply the CA. You get the fast set from the CA and once the Barge sets if a shock breaks the CA bond the Barge still holds.

Russ Hass


Re: CA and brass

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

Bill Welch reports-

....the door stops looked very vulnerable to me so I pinned them at their location.
If these are Z-shaped undercut door stops, they are indeed endangered and doomed species as applied, most especially if they are of the cast resin ilk. However, I was informed by one of our most reliable resin kit suppliers that the master patterns were- Tichy styrene door stops!. With that knowledge, I laid in a supply of the superior Tichy product and have never looked back. Pinning these small parts in place is an excellent expedient; it is easy; and it works!

and Tony Thompson states-

Canopy cement is NOT the same as MicroClear.
Tony undoubtedly knows something that I do not. My own experience with these cements, which I use primarily to work with paper and wood, or for low stress joints that can be easily cleaned up or separated with water, is that they are, in practice, remarkably similar. Others, probably no more knowledgable than me have also opined that the two were similar, if not the same.

I use the canopy cement extensively for joints of DISSIMILAR materials, for which it is quite effective.
I would add that these cements generally are NOT useful with metals, styrene, or resin unless some tooth or means of "grabbing on" to the facing surfaces are present. Even then, the joint will be inherently very weak.

I would again emphasize to those advocating the use of epoxies to avoid the siren song of the "5 minute" varieties. The resulting joints are not strong, and they can be remarkably brittle; and when the modeler is faced with cleaning up the failed joint for a re-do with a better cement, there will the devil to pay in trying to clean things up (epoxy is thoroughly solvent-resistant).

Although I have direct access to a wide variety of industrial-grade epoxies that I have used for 35 years in wood boat restoration and rebuilding efforts, for convenience, I simply use small tubes of standard "2-ton" epoxy, usually available at most hardware stores. I keep them in my wife's refrigerator freezer so that they can last the usual 5-6 years that it takes me to use them up.

A final cautionary note with epoxies: keep pretty close to the mixing formula on the directions, and when you mix the two parts, mix them well: and when you think that they are well-mixed, assume they are not, and start mixing all over again for an equal length of time.

Soldering brass: Like in most things in modeling, there is no single best way of soldering. These is one thing certain, however: there is a learning curve. For those seriously into brass modeling, there is no substitute these days for the use of resistance soldering units, the more available power the better. The learning curve for resistance soldering for securing small parts without melting, burning, or unsoldering everything else in sight is considerably shorter than that which was required at one time by the wonderful Japanese artisans who secured each and every small brass part on our best brass models with monster soldering irons with tips seemingly as large as the model locomotive boilers.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach, MD
Okoboji, Iowa


Shorpy picture

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@..., Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
Um, it's weathered "daylight orange" like it should be? <G> Given
that it has the overland route herald, the paint could be fairly old,
although it looks to be reasonably clean (and is from an era when PFE
routinely washed its cars).

Well it looks mostly yellow to me.


trying to identify the double-sheathed boxcar on the extreme left

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi List Members,

Pls have a look at the image (Digital ID: fsa 8a04520) below:

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/I?fsaall:46:./temp/~ammem_7DuA::displayType=1:m856sd=fsa:m856sf=8a04520:@@@

I'm trying to identify the double-sheathed boxcar on the extreme left of the photo, with the strap steel reinforcements going around the corners from the sides onto the ends.

I downloaded the 13 megabyte TIFF version (there is a link for this purpose on the above page), but could not identify the owning road.

I'm suspecting a GN car, but this is only a guess on my part.

Any thoughts?

Thanks in advance - Claus Schlund at Hell Gate Models

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