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IMWX / DPH NKP Box Car - Viking Roof
Andy Harman
Looking for an easy project that I can actually use, I dug out a kit I bought quite a few years ago from Des Plaines Hobbies..... the 1937 AAR box car with Viking roof. Of course the next thing I did was try and find a prototype photo. Not a lot out there. These cars apparently lasted into the 1970s and even though assigned N&W numbers, doesn't look like many ever got them.
In the Kincaid / Morning Sun book on page 64, there is a picture dated 1962 of a box car that is a dead match for my DPH kit, except... it doesn't appear to have a Viking roof. I looked up a few old STMFC discussions in my archives and found this: http://www.steamfreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/1937aarpdfmain.html Which would indicate that the entire batch of NKP box cars 15000-15499 had Viking roofs. Other than the lettering - the car is a match for the photo except for the roof. Also I guess some "AAR 1937" box cars were build in 1936. Interesting. Anyway, odds are if I were to forward date the 1962 car to 1975, it would still be in the same paint but with more rust and grime, an ACI label, and a few other reporting mark changes. Can anyone confirm if all of the cars in this batch did indeed have Viking roofs? The model is #15366, the photo in the book is #15330. Also the car in the photo has a steel running board - which could have been replaced, and the doors look like the Youngstown 6' doors that come with the model, but have two larger ribs. I don't know the terminology... just testing my powers of observation. The basic car, ends, even the sill is a match. The model has polling pockets, the prototype does not. Of course it would be really nice to have a 1970s photo of one of these cars to go by. But TBQH, if I'm going to have to repaint the car anyway, I may as well just find an undec RC/IMWX kit and start from scratch. But I need to definitely confirm the roof, as well as figure out what type of doors I will need. I'm a 70s modeler but I need lots and lots of steam era box cars, in particular N&W, Wabash, and Nickel Plate cars. Hopefully someone has a copy of the Kincaid book and can take a look and check my vision. Freight cars often take just as much research as a diesel, and prototype photos are a lot harder to come by it seems. Any thoughts, comments, corrections, suggestions? Andy |
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Rock Island Refining Company Tank Cars
These cars carried RIRX reporting marks. Unfortunately, my 1-53 ORER
doesn't list this reporting mark. Can anyone advise which issue(s) do contain a listing for these cars.? Thanks, Steve Hile |
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Re: What operating time frame does the new Rapido Reefer cover ...
spsalso
Tim,
I think those rascals at Union retired some of the 37 footers and replaced them, in the same number series, with other cars--hence the different dimensions. And the funny counts. I knew I shouldn't try to do research and chores at the same time. I guess I should ask my wife which should take the higher priority. Nahhhhh. But it is indeed interesting that some of these cars appeared to last past a short nominal 20 year life and possibly endure into an unknowable future. But not too far. Ed Edward Sutorik |
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Re: What operating time frame does the new Rapido Reefer cover ...
Don't blame me! I didn't start it! :-)
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Tim Tim O'Connor wrote:Hundreds in 1965?? Where do you see that, what URTX number series?Maybe you got carried away, Tim, but on this list it's never |
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Re: 2011 Savannah Prototype Modelers Meet
seaboard_1966
Bill, come on up. We will be more than happy to have you there. We do speak freight cars. DB
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From: "lnbill" <fgexbill@...> Sender: STMFC@... Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 22:34:35 To: <STMFC@...> Reply-To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Re: 2011 Savannah Prototype Modelers Meet I have to confess I am now officially torn. Larry Kline ask me about coming to Greensburg, PA this year and at the time I thought I could justify this gathering this year. Driving back from CB this past Sunday I found myself wondering about the Savannah meet as it would only be 8 hours away for me. Prompted by Denis' message I went to the meet's website, and looking at last years program, it looks like "Ya'll RRing" is spoken there, another plus. I think our niche in the hobby is really maturing when there are prototype meets bumping into each other. Bill Welch --- In STMFC@..., "Denis Blake" <dblake7@...> wrote:
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Re: What operating time frame does the new Rapido Reefer cover ...
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Tim O'Connor wrote:
Hundreds in 1965?? Where do you see that, what URTX number series?Maybe you got carried away, Tim, but on this list it's never gonna get later than 1960 <g>. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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Re: What operating time frame does the new Rapido Reefer cover ...
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Hundreds in 1965?? Where do you see that, what URTX number series? The GARX reefers are listed with outside lengths of 37'3", 38'4" or 39'6". The only URTX 37'3" reefers listed in 7/1965 are 75000-75003 (3), 72395-72399 (1), 66126-66174 (7). That's a total of 11 reefers. There are also 34 39'6" reefers and 5 38'4" reefers -- so a total of 50 reefers likely to be these GATC reefers. In 1959 URTX shows 144 37'3 cars -- RPC 14 shows only 70, so URTX definitely acquired some second hand 63350-63399 (15), 63400-63499 (31), 66000-66075 (70), 72600-72699 ( 6), 72800-72814 ( 2), 75050-75099 (16), 75100-75109 ( 4) And 174 URTX 39'6" cars in 1959 -- RPC 14 shows 175, but only with 4-digit numbers so the others may be the second hand cars 5120- 5172 (36), 5285- 5439 (117), 60200-60209 (10), 72825-72844 ( 11) And 116 URTX 38'4 cars in 1959 (out of 129 shown in RPC 14). For a grand total of 434 in 1959. More than the original 408 but not close to 827. Are you sure of your figure for 1961? The sharp decline in URTX 36' meat reefers from 1959 to 1965 is consistent with the massive and rapid changes in the meat packing industry in this era. Tim O'Connor ------------------------------------ Interesting question. I thought I'd check the ORER's. For one thing, there's no |
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Re: Interesting car anybody have some back ground on it?
pullmanboss <tcmadden@...>
They are called "insulated freight cars", five of them, 45' long and all-steel riveted construction. Eight car-width insulated bins occupied the space below the tapered portions of the car sides. Cakes of dry ice were loaded by conveyors, and permanent distributing conveyors were built into the cars. Car capacity was nominally 40 tons, but with the bins fully loaded the load was approx. 30 tons. (1100 cakes of dry ice of 55 lbs each). Dimensional comparisons were made to boxcars of the time, with these cars being wider than normal because of the heavy insulation in the lower, untapered portion. (14" of insulation in the floor, sides and ends.) They were 10' 8" wide up to the taper (8' above the rail), then sloped to 8' 11" wide at the eaves, which were 13' 3" above the rail.
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Re: 2011 Savannah Prototype Modelers Meet
Bill Welch
I have to confess I am now officially torn. Larry Kline ask me about coming to Greensburg, PA this year and at the time I thought I could justify this gathering this year. Driving back from CB this past Sunday I found myself wondering about the Savannah meet as it would only be 8 hours away for me.
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Prompted by Denis' message I went to the meet's website, and looking at last years program, it looks like "Ya'll RRing" is spoken there, another plus. I think our niche in the hobby is really maturing when there are prototype meets bumping into each other. Bill Welch --- In STMFC@..., "Denis Blake" <dblake7@...> wrote:
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Re: What operating time frame does the new Rapido Reefer cover ...
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--- In STMFC@..., "dakkinder" <dakkinder@...> wrote:
(BELOW IS "QUICK AND DIRTY". That's a disclaimer. And it's also because I'm having trouble reconciling the ORER numbers with the RPC numbers. But it's a start. Sorry about mistakes.) Interesting question. I thought I'd check the ORER's. For one thing, there's no listing for GARX in the index in front. Curious. But it's there under General American, anyway. Also, while KGNX is listed in the front of "later" ORER's, it doesn't show up in the body of the book. All that said: In my Jan '65, I found some of the car numbers for GARX listed, but number of cars was zero. I figure (maybe) the cars had "run out" just previous. I found no KGNX. I found hundreds under URTX. In my April '61 ORER, I found 43 for GARX, 142 KGNX, and 827 for URTX. The latter number is interesting because the production total for URTX cars in the RPC #14 is 408. Whadya gonna do? There appear to be at least a few operating until at least 1970 with URTX numbers, anyway. Old wood reefers never die; they just never die. It seems. But still, that's only 30 years--not all that long. Ed Edward Sutorik |
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Re: Interesting car anybody have some back ground on it?
RDG2124 <RDG2124@...>
Tom,
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What does the Railway Age article list the car as, box or tank? Foggy recollections of a model magazine (RMC?) article of this car mentioning two tanks. Gear works are failing to mesh on this one. Evan Leisey Bennett, CO -----Original Message-----
From: pullmanboss <tcmadden@q.com> To: STMFC <STMFC@...> Sent: Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:20 pm Subject: [STMFC] Re: Interesting car anybody have some back ground on it? Rich, the RAILWAY AGE article has two photos of the cars, both of which also appear in the 1937 CBC. There's no mention of color in the article. I can send you copies of the two pages if you want, but they're from a bound volume here at the Colo. RR Museum so some of the text at the very left margin of the first page is dark & distorted where it dives into the binding. Let me know (off list at tcmadden at Q dot com) if you'd like the copies. Tom Madden --- In STMFC@..., "Richard Yoder" <oscale48@...> wrote: > In the Car builders Cyclopedia from 1937, pg 194, figure 165, there is > reference to a description of the cars in Railway Age August 10, 1935 page 179.> You are thinking of the Mathison Dry Ice car offered by Laconia in the late 50's.>
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Re: IM/RC SP S40-5 stock car
seaboard_1966
Why wait, be proactive and send the information in. Then it will, hopefully , be right if they do those cars. Denis Blake
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From: Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> Sender: STMFC@... Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 12:25:37 To: <STMFC@...> Reply-To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] IM/RC SP S40-5 stock car Schuyler Larrabee wrote: Almost enough info, Tony. When did they transfer happen?In the first half of 1957, SP Pacific Lines transferred 250 stock cars to the T&NO. These were drawn from classes S-40-5, -8 and -9, and there is no easy way to determine car numbers or how many from each class, though of these three classes, by far the largest in 1955 was S-40-8. Over the next 3 years, it was planned to send 250 more cars, but as near as I can tell, most but not all of that batch did go. That said, I have the car ledgers and could provide IM or RC with correct numbers, but they haven't asked. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links |
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Re: IM/RC SP S40-5 stock car
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
Almost enough info, Tony. When did they transfer happen?In the first half of 1957, SP Pacific Lines transferred 250 stock cars to the T&NO. These were drawn from classes S-40-5, -8 and -9, and there is no easy way to determine car numbers or how many from each class, though of these three classes, by far the largest in 1955 was S-40-8. Over the next 3 years, it was planned to send 250 more cars, but as near as I can tell, most but not all of that batch did go. That said, I have the car ledgers and could provide IM or RC with correct numbers, but they haven't asked. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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Re: 2011 Savannah Prototype Modelers Meet
Benjamin Hom
Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
"What, exactly, is your point, Ben? It's not like the population of Prototype Modelers these days is so limited that there won't be enough folks at the two meets. For many people, the distances involved plus the housing expenses keep people from participating." My point? I've been going to the "established meets" for a while now, and always want to get out to the other meets, especially to see the works of modelers that I haven't seen before and to share some of the clinics that I've already given to folks who haven't seen them yet. Additionally, my personal attendance at meets hasn't been what I'd like it to be after losing all of 2009 to mobilization to the Middle East and Cocoa Beach and several other meets this year already to the reserves. Ben Hom |
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Prototype Rails 2011 report
Aley, Jeff A
Note: I am the Clinic Chairman for Prototype Rails, so my report is therefore biased.
Prototype Rails 2011 is now behind us, and I had a great time, as usual. Attendance was 251, which is approximately the same as last year. We had most of the "usual suspects", as well as some new faces. Clinic Summary: Overall, things went very smoothly. We had a slate of fine clinics, and I received a lot of positive feedback on Jack Burgess' clinic on using Photoshop. We had several clinics by manufacturers, including Intermountain, Pacific Western Rail Systems, and Rapido. There was a nice series of passenger car clinics as well as a bunch of freight car clinics. Clinics on modeling techniques were popular (as always). Scott Mason brought a small compressor and demonstrated airbrushing techniques in his clinic, and we used a video cam + projector to magnify Jon Cagle's hands as he showed how to build a resin tank car kit. The award for "most anachronistic use of technology" had to go to Bernard Kempinski. He did his clinic using an Apple iPad - but his clinic was on Civil War Railroads! Shake-N-Take, as usual, was a highlight for the freight car folks. Perhaps we'll have a Passenger Shake-N-Take in the near future. Ballroom and Displays: There were a lot of fine models on display, including from the ultra-detailed and prototypical, a modeler's very first kit w/ updated details, and my personal favorite: a nicely weathered Gould tank car lettered for Switzer Tank Lines. Also notable were some beautifully weathered O-scale freight cars. Most of the usual vendors were there, and I spent some $$ buying books from Speedwitch Media. Notably absent were Branchline Trains, Broadway Limited (I think they left early), and Walthers. Of course, the ballroom was THE place to be to see the new Rapido reefer, and to catch up with your modeling buddies. The Weather: The weather was MUCH better than last year, and 68 degrees is plenty warm enough to go out for a stroll on the beach. On Monday, it got up to about 78. The Food: I'll confess that I did not eat at the hotel at all. We had oranges from Harvey's to snack on, and went out to eat at: Florida Seafood [the regular hangout of the modelers from Chicago], Sonny's BBQ (the brisket sandwich is decent), Slow-N-Low BBQ (the brisket sandwich is terrible), Roberto's Little Havana (aka "The Cuban Place" - highly recommended), Coconuts on the Beach (great grilled fish), and The Lobster Shanty (great broiled rock shrimp - better than Florida Seafood, but you'll pay for it). The People: The REAL reason to go to a Prototype Modeling meet is the people. Everyone is interested in (surprise!) prototype modeling, and everyone is willing to share their ideas, techniques, research, etc. And of course you get to see your friends, some of whom you may only know from a Yahoo!Group somewhere. Details of what Jeff saw: As usual, events began on Thursday with Op Sessions and registration. The Thursday dinner was not well-attended, and in fact, I went to Florida Seafood with some of the "Chicago [and Indiana] Mafia" instead. It is my conclusion that most of the folks who show up on Thursday now have "favorite" restaurants, and that an organized dinner is no longer necessary. We started clinics on Thursday night (see the schedule at http://prototyperails.com ). I attended Mike Brock's railfan videos that he shot of N&W 1218 and N&W 611, with a little bit of UP 3985 and UP 844 thrown in. It was all well-shot, and we got to hear every whistle blast, and saw every S-curve in Appalachia! After that, I presented selected slides from the Rock Island Technical Society's "Don Ball, Jr Collection". These were well-narrated by RI guru Steve Hile. Steve hadn't seen the slides until about two hours before the presentation, but was able to make insightful comments anyways! On Friday, I enjoyed Tony Thompson's presentation on Prototype Waybills and how they can be adapted for our model railroads. I think I asked more questions than anybody else in the room. I also saw Steve Hile's clinic on Rock Island stock cars, and learned that Rocket Express will be producing some of them as resin kits. I am among the many disappointed folks who will not be able to buy the Westerfield kits (see Al's message on STMFC). I attended Jim Singer's "Prototype Oddities 3", which focused mostly on strange passenger train consists in the midwest. There was a particular focus on the "camp trains" (which took kids to camp in the summer). After a quick dinner, I attended Doug Harding's clinic on Meat Trains and Operations, a subject that is of great interest to me. Saturday I saw Doug Harding's other clinic, "Meat Packing Plants and How to Model One". I followed that with Sperandeo's clinic on modeling signals. It should come as no surprise that his emphasis was on signals as used by the AT&SF. After dinner I went to Tony Thompson's other clinic "Transition-Era Tank Car Modeling", followed by Richard Hendrickson's "The North American Freight Car Fleet in the 1950's". Both were very interesting and dovetailed nicely with the books I purchased from Speedwitch Media (the tank car book and the two box car books). End of Report. Regards, -Jeff |
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Re: Interesting car anybody have some back ground on it?
pullmanboss <tcmadden@...>
Rich, the RAILWAY AGE article has two photos of the cars, both of which also appear in the 1937 CBC. There's no mention of color in the article. I can send you copies of the two pages if you want, but they're from a bound volume here at the Colo. RR Museum so some of the text at the very left margin of the first page is dark & distorted where it dives into the binding. Let me know (off list at tcmadden at Q dot com) if you'd like the copies.
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Re: IM/RC SP S40-5 stock car
Schuyler Larrabee
Bill McCoy wrote:
A new IM release announcement shows a S40-5 stock car lettered forYes. Those are transferred Pacific Lines cars, and the reweigh date is representative of the time period. Tony Thompson Almost enough info, Tony. When did they transfer happen? SGL ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16680) http://www.pctools.com/ ======= |
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Re: 2011 Savannah Prototype Modelers Meet
Schuyler Larrabee
Denis Blake wrote:
"The 2011 Savannah Prototype Modelers Meet is scheduled to take place March 25-26. This meet is hosted by Bob Harpe and is held at the Port Wentworth, GA Community Center. There are several options for lodging in the area. More information can be found here. http://www.savannahrpm.com/ We look forward to see you all there." Ben Hom complained: This conflicts with the this year's Greensburg PA meet! http://www.hansmanns..org/rpm_east/2011.htm <http://www.hansmanns.org/rpm_east/2011.htm> What, exactly, is your point, Ben? It's not like the population of Prototype Modelers these days is so limited that there won't be enough folks at the two meets. For many people, the distances involved plus the housing expenses keep people from participating. It's OK, Ben, it's OK. SGL ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16680) http://www.pctools.com/ ======= |
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Re: 2011 Savannah Prototype Modelers Meet
seaboard_1966
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I hate it when that happens. I changed the date of my meet a couple of times because I found out it conflicted with different things. One was Easter and then the other was Mothers Day. One of my dates also conflicted with a NMRA function in NE Ohio. With the amount of meets that are happening now it is just about impossible to come up with a date that is not in conflict with something or another. We all need to have places to display our freight car models... Denis Blake N Hamlet Shops, OH 2011 Central Ohio Prototype Modelers Meet, May 19-21 http://www.facebook.com/pages/manage/#!/pages/Central-Ohio-Prototype-Modelers-Meet/326645470797 -----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin Hom Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 12:57 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] 2011 Savannah Prototype Modelers Meet Denis Blake wrote: "The 2011 Savannah Prototype Modelers Meet is scheduled to take place March 25-26. This meet is hosted by Bob Harpe and is held at the Port Wentworth, GA Community Center. There are several options for lodging in the area. More information can be found here. http://www.savannahrpm.com/ We look forward to see you all there." This conflicts with the this year's Greensburg PA meet! http://www.hansmanns.org/rpm_east/2011.htm Ben Hom ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3374 - Release Date: 01/11/11 14:34:00 |
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Re: IM/RC SP S40-5 stock car
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Bill McCoy wrote:
A new IM release announcement shows a S40-5 stock car lettered for T&NO, TNO 15503-15767 with a reweigh date of EP 2-57.Yes. Those are transferred Pacific Lines cars, and the reweigh date is representative of the time period. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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