I recently watched an old film (youtube) that was of a 1947 passenger train but before that a few quick glimpses of a freight appeared.

http://www.youtube.com/user/jlebaron1#p/u/1/CHcPxuwQHaY

I was most interested in the tank cars on this "short" freight. Of special interest was the three dome tank with different size domes on the same car.

I'm hardly an expert but can someone "educate" me about these cars- I don't remember seeing a "model" that replicates this. Also if you watch the video there is one "small" single dome car too. Any guess as to size, type, build date, etc. etc. etc.

Gordon Andrews




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The human brain is like a railroad freight car -- guaranteed to have a certain capacity but often running empty."

Armand,

It depends upon how you operate your model RR. If you allow freight agents to "confiscate" empty cars as they pass through the yard, then the cars in your through trains will need waybills and Empty Car bills to designate which are available for confiscation.

On the other hand, if there is no such operation on your model rr, then waybills are not needed for through freights.

Regards,

-Jeff


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Question:Would waybills be as important (in the model world) for through freights as to way freights?Armand Premo
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Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 8:43 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Waybills

Tony

Might be the same raw data, for sure. I don't know, there's only
so much time in the world for most of us. Railroads created paperwork
because they were a business. Paperwork is not my hobby interest. I'm
a minimalist myself -- a waybill only needs to say where the car is
going as far as I'm concerned. :-) Your waybill analysis pays real
dividends because it informs your modeling. But for the life of me
I can't see the utility of knowing that company ABC in East Podunk
bought fresh carrots and company XYZ in West Podunk only bought
oranges -- unless of course, I am modeling the Podunk Terminal Rwy.

Tim O'Connor

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You may want to look at this group -- they have compiled
spreadsheets of real railroad freight shippers. Can you say
"information overload"?

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ry-ops-industrialSIG/

Don't know if it's the same database, but the OpSIG (operations)
group also has a huge listing of shippers on line, at opsig.org

Tony Thompson

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I've been reading the "Shake and Take" reefer article in the latest RMC, and really like the idea. However, I believe the Kahn's car paint scheme is to new for my late 30's time frame.
I'd like to model one of the other cars featured in the article. IIRC from Bill Welch's clinic, the FGEX cars were more common than the NX cars. Besides, the aluminum roof paint on the NX car seems like a post-WWII thing to me (cringing, as this is a guess on my part. Were they painted BCR in their first decades?)
If I should consider attempting one of these bashes, does anybody have advice on backdating, besides K brakes? (AB brakes were new in the early 30's, and not likely to have been retrofitted to these cars in the mid-late 30's.) Were the trucks originally arch bar or T-section?
I may have to dig out my copy of Bill Welch's clinic handout... :-)
Also, not having access to a NWSL Riveter, would Archer rivets work in this application? I'll be ordering some for another project.

Dean Payne

--- In STMFC@..., "john66h" <john66h@...> wrote:

Hello All,

In researching Kadee's CG PS-1 #7115 (CG 7000-7299 blt 4/52) I ran across some conflicting information...

Can anyone clarify for me what color the roof (and running board) should be for this car when it was new.

Thanks to all who replied,

-John Hile

Gatwood, Elden wrote:

The X38 was PRR's 50-foot version of the X37; built in the immediate pre-war and war years, as an "automobile" car . . . In fact, it was much more. Most X38's were found in dedicated service, with few actually in automobile service . . .

Elden, until the early 1950s AAR classified double-door box cars as "automobile cars," regardless of equipment and assignment

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Not that I could find on their web pages. LHS in some area may have them.

Max

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Folks;

Since some of you were asking, I did some digging, on the PRR X38 variants.
I do not know the entire story, but it is an important car, widely seen in
auto parts and general service. You need this car. I hope someone is coming
out with it.

The X38 was PRR's 50-foot version of the X37; built in the immediate pre-war
and war years, as an "automobile" car. All came equipped with staggered
"7-foot" (actually wider, over a 14'6" door opening) doors and 10'7 IH.

In fact, it was much more. Most X38's were found in dedicated service, with
few actually in automobile service with floor tubes and tie-downs; many more
in auto parts service, with racks for miscellaneous parts, auto chassis (!),
auto side panels, auto roofs, and auto bodies. These went all over the
country to auto plants.

There were seven X38 equipped with veneer flooring for shipment of felt.

There were 582 (!) X38 with nailable steel floors in the doorway area. Many
of these were also rack cars.

X38A came with end doors.

I believe X38 (no sub-class) were in series 58101 to 58799 (700 cars), and
73700 to 76099 (2400 cars). X38A were in series 57800-58099 (300 cars) and
76100-76399 (300 cars).

The fixed ends were 5/5 Dreadnaught ends with a shortened top rib, plus a
"stepped" eave like the X37. Some cars in the 58xxx series came with 7-panel
Superior doors, and others with 7'+ "pre-war" Youngstown doors. Cars in
series 73700+ appear to have 3-plank wooden running boards, while cars in
series 58xxx have what appears to be Allen Wood steel running boards, but
this needs confirmation at the PRRT&HS archives. I suspect the wooden r/b
was a wartime restriction, but I want the correspondence. I also need to do
additional research on the roof issue. It appears that 58xxx series had
lap-seam roofs like the X37, but some of the 73xxx cars had seam caps on what
appears to be a rectangular panel roof. This may be where the confusion
comes in regarding what folks can or cannot model.

The X38 also came with a double-width side panel, of 2 double/3 double
configuration. This feature is why there has been no easy bashing of this
car, unless one were to start with 2 Sunshine X37's and go from there...

At some point, over 400 random cars in both series of X38 were rebuilt with
single 7' doors, as sub-class X38C, and sent right back into service as auto
parts cars. The filler was two equal width panels riveted to new posts.
They lost 100 cubic feet in capacity during the rebuild, and I have no idea
why.

The X38D was an XML, in series 605000-605349 (350 cars). The 600000 series
on the PRR was generally a segregated service series, so these cars need
additional research and photos to get to the "why". Dimensionally, they are
1 inch shorter inside, 2 inches narrower, 5 inch narrower at the eaves, and
pretty much the same elsewhere. They are also approx. 100 cubic feet less in
capacity than the X38.

The X38F were rebuilds of X38 (renumbered to series 45500 to 45672 - 173
cars), with cushioning.

The X38H (7 cars in series 46993 to 46999) were also rebuilds, but of X38A,
also with cushioning.

The X38L were rebuilds with cushioning, and also replacement of both doors
with a 10-foot plug door, and "Load Divider" (LD) equipped. Photos show
these with a deep fishbelly replacement side sill. I have yet to figure out
exactly how many were rebuilt.

These cars would make a perfect addition to the many cars we currently host
on our layouts.

Elden Gatwood






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Ted's Speedwitch set is very good.
Brian Carlson

Tony,

When was the "peak traffic"? My copy of the PFE book is (unfortunately) in storage.

Is it correct to assume that the peak to which you refer is the overall PFE peak, and not a "regional" peak? (I.e. one wouldn't see 80% PFE reefers coming out of Roseville while you had 100% PFE coming out of Tucson).

Thanks,

-Jeff


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Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 9:34 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: conductor's reefer data



cliff prather wrote:

This was from the brief file in the case and I have not attempted to
check all the facts, such as, did BAR have any reefers at the end of
WWII or did they just lease cars. This does show as Tony stated, PFE
contracted with other reefer owners to supply cars. PFE in this
brief stated that they maintain a fleet of cars that could handled
only about 90% of the peak traffic demand.

My interview with Pete Holst included the statement that 90%
of the peak traffic was the BEST that PFE ever did. Other years it was
somewhat less. Of course, most of the year they could handle 100%.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...<mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com>
Publishers of books on railroad history

Bruce (et. al.),

Please remind me: from whom should I buy HO decals for a patch-panelled X29? I would like to represent cars as they appeared in 1952.

Thanks,

-Jeff


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Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 8:59 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Red Caboose X29



Max,

In fact, the 1924 X29, both with and without patch panels, is
available from RC.
RC-7002
'HO' Undecorated X-29 '24 Steel Plate End Box Car
In Stock
US$ 19.95
RC-7005

'HO' Undecorated X-29 w/plate end, body side sill patch
In Stock
US$ 19.95

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Feb 22, 2011, at 9:57 AM, Aley, Jeff A wrote:

Max,

Are they not available from Red Caboose?

Regards,

-Jeff


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Does anyone haveither a kit on an unpainted assembled model of the
Red Caboose "original" version of an X-29 boxcar they would be
willing to sell ortrade for? I'm in the market for at least 3 such
cars.

Thanks,

Nax
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Dave Nelson wrote:
"I suppose the double door could change the location and/or size of the
cross-bearers and maybe something along the side sills too... but the center
sill itself would probably be the same for all these classes, don't you think?"

I agree.  The changes would likely be in crossbearer location, and a comparison
of these two builders photos shows an additional sidesill reinfocerment below
the doors of the Class X32B automobile car:
http://prr.railfan.net/freight/freightphotos.html?photo=BuildersPhotos/X32a_E12406_Side_BillLane.jpg&fr=clX32

http://prr.railfan.net/freight/freightphotos.html?photo=BuildersPhotos/X32b_E15370_Side_BillLane.jpg&fr=clX32



Ben Hom

Ned and Group,

I made up mine from styrene rod on this gon (photo in ICGHogger album). All of the components are plastic, so it went together pretty fast. I get the gap needed for the turnbuckle and I cold-form the rods as I go.

Robert Tomb
Spring, TX

--- In STMFC@..., "A. Premo" <armprem2@...> wrote:

Question:Would waybills be as important (in the model world) for through freights as to way freights?Armand Premo

Depends. Do the through freights have any work on the model portion? If they just roll through without stopping then no they might not be as important. But if cars must be removed from one train and set into another then they will be needed. On a friends model railroad, cars that just move from staging to stagning have a carcard but instead of a waybill, they just have a card in the pocket that says "THRU". When working these train in the two classification yards, the cars with the "THRU" cards are never taken out of the train, well hardly every.

George Simmons
Dry Prong, LA

I suppose the double door could change the location and/or size of the
cross-bearers and maybe something along the side sills too... but the center
sill itself would probably be the same for all these classes, don't you
think?

Dave Nelson

Norman.......Website link....Jim W.


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Do you have a little more information on Bitter Creek Shops?
Norm Larkin

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GUYZ,

Give the Bitter Creek Shops a try; they have many of the older style
trucks in cast metal form. I've used some with satisfactory results.

Fred Freitas

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Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 11:03 AM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Blackstone tank car

The frameless "Van Dyke" ones started out as standard gauge tank cars and
were converted to narrow gauge. Richard Hendrickson did an article on them
in the December 1996 RMC (using a Precision Scale kit). Getting correct
trucks for them (if you model after the mid-1930s) is the difficulty...they
need cast 5' wheelbase trucks to be correct. The article describes how to
achieve this. A lot of them appeared on the YV and I followed Richard's
article to model a half dozen of them a few years ago...they are a neat
looking tank car!

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com

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Dave Nelson wrote:
"My library tells me the PRR X32 d was a rebuild from earlier X32 B and C cars.
with the most obvious external change being a double door car was made into a
single door car. Now that it has just one door (just like the original X32),
other than the roof contour, are there any other differences between the
original X32 and the X32 D?"

All Class X32D had the later "flush" contour roof and a 7 ft 2 in door opening. 
Be advised that the Bowser HO scale model's door is too narrow as it uses the
main door from their 12 ft 6 in opening Class X32A kit.


"Also, did all the X32 cars use an identical underframe design?"

That's a good question.  The design was revised during the production run for
Class X32A, widening the door opening from 12 ft 1 in to 14 ft 6 in.  All Class
X32B and X32C cars had the wider door opening.  It follows that the underframe
should have been changed as a consequence; this is something that needs to be
further researched.


Ben Hom

My library tells me the PRR X32 d was a rebuild from earlier X32 B and C
cars. with the most obvious external change being a double door car was made
into a single door car. Now that it has just one door (just like the
original X32), other than the roof contour, are there any other differences
between the original X32 and the X32 D? Also, did all the X32 cars use an
identical underframe design?



Dave Nelson

Do you have a little more information on Bitter Creek Shops?
Norm Larkin

The Railway Age Gazette Mechanical Vol 91 Jan Dec 1917 is available on GoogleBooks as a free download. The B&O refrigerator car article is on page 685.
Charlie Vlk

cliff prather wrote:

This was from the brief file in the case and I have not attempted to check all the facts, such as, did BAR have any reefers at the end of WWII or did they just lease cars. This does show as Tony stated, PFE contracted with other reefer owners to supply cars. PFE in this brief stated that they maintain a fleet of cars that could handled only about 90% of the peak traffic demand.

My interview with Pete Holst included the statement that 90% of the peak traffic was the BEST that PFE ever did. Other years it was somewhat less. Of course, most of the year they could handle 100%.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history