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Re: What to do with your model freight cars when your not here anymore

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

Tim,
The slides I gave to the German magazine were almost all of German stuff from the 1980s. There was a little bit of French, Spanish, Swiss and Austria. I'll bet nearly half was narrow gauge of one sort or another. I have simply lost interest in European railroads.

One member of this group copied about half of them.

Gene Green


Re: DVD Back Issues (was Magazine Index)

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Kalmback wrote:

"This item is a software product that you will need to install on your
computer.
It is very user friendly and will have a searchable database for all issue
text"

Jeff, you're welcome to spend $150 to find out how well it works.

Tim



You know, Tim, you can get the entire run of The New Yorker on DVDs, and it
is very searchable, even though it takes more than one disc. It works very
well. It's not like nobody's done this before . . .

SGL





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Re: USRA Twin Hopper car brake details

tedander2000
 

If you don't see needed Pre-USRA drawings there in Harrisburg contact us at the IRM Pullman Library. Apparently the 1917 US Standard drawings were printed out en mass for the different railroads and car companies. Our copies are on linen and I know for sure that we have hopper car brake diagrams, whether for yours if not the later USRA I have no idea. Note also there were updated versions so in some cases we have multiple revisions of the same drawing. A lot of car companies have copied the drawings verbatim and we run across those also for SSC and H&B drawings in our files. Now if you are interested in spending a very modest sum of money (bad word?) and agree not to distribute it (how else do we get our volunteer time rewarded with orders) a CD of all US Standard drawings in the archival tubes could readily be made under licensed agreement. So far we have had individual requests for a few specific drawings. These same drawings (not all of them) are available reduced size in various sources. Note there is now a Pullman Library email address listed on the Illinois Railway Museum website for communication to the library should this meet your needs. Best regards, Ted Anderson, curator at the IRM Pullman Library

--- In STMFC@..., Roger Hinman <rhinman@...> wrote:

If your'e going to make a trip to Harrisburg, be sure to go through the Standard Steel Co Hopper drawings, as there are GAs for the cars they built

Roger Hinman
On Dec 3, 2010, at 12:00 PM, bob_karig wrote:

Al,

The Pullman-Standard Collection in Harrisburg has the following file:

United States Railway Administration Freight Car Standard Design Drawings, 1919-1921. (1 volume) {#393m.51} [Description] [Holding]

Contact me off-line, and maybe we can work something out.

Bob



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Re: What to do with your model freight cars when your not here anymore

Tim O'Connor
 

Gene, I hope you don't mean freight car photos. If that's
what they were, you may have given away a small fortune.
Good job on that $700 for $5000 deal! That's why I am going
to leave note cards for my daughters -- otherwise they'd have
absolutely no clue what anything is worth.

Tim O'Connor

I contributed gratis about 1,000 Kodachrome slides to a German modeling magazine.
Gene Green


Re: ID these ends and roof?

rwitt_2000
 

Rich Burg wrote:

Richard,
Right again, except for a minor detail. These cars were rebuilt
with
those doors and were insulated by the DT&I. See DT&I 19000-19124
series.
I have a couple good photos of the cars, and they are dead ringers
for
this car. Great photo!

Another slide of a WRX car recently sold on eBay, I was the buyer, and
is still viewable [eBay Item # 130452038985]. This image was of WRX
9342 that may have been taken earlier than the Jim Sands image as this
car still has its running board.

Regards,

Bob Witt


Re: USRA Twin Hopper car brake details

Roger Hinman <rhinman@...>
 

If your'e going to make a trip to Harrisburg, be sure to go through the Standard Steel Co Hopper drawings, as there are GAs for the cars they built

Roger Hinman
On Dec 3, 2010, at 12:00 PM, bob_karig wrote:

Al,

The Pullman-Standard Collection in Harrisburg has the following file:

United States Railway Administration Freight Car Standard Design Drawings, 1919-1921. (1 volume) {#393m.51} [Description] [Holding]

Contact me off-line, and maybe we can work something out.

Bob



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Re: I need help with 1919-era Pennsy RR freight cars

Al and Patricia Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Steve - You're trying to untie the Gordian knot. To my knowledge no one has ever attempted to break down every car type by subsidiary for Pennsy, especially for a specific date. As you know I've tried for the cars I model and each was exceedingly difficult. The only person who is capable of doing such a job is Bob Johnson, the archivist for the PRRT&HS. He has access to most of the original records. He has helped me on specific projects as his time allowed. I think Bob's a member of the list. Perhaps he can address this problem more fully. You may also consider contacting members of the Union List who have virtually every copy of every ORER between them. My PRR ORER disks summarize yearly data but much more is available. Each member has a copy of the PRR listings of all of the holdings. Rich Berg is the coordinator. I regret that because you guys are snowing me with orders that I'm unable to help more fully. - Al Westerfield

----- Original Message -----
From: S hed
To: stmfc@...
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 12:22 PM
Subject: [STMFC] I need help with 1919-era Pennsy RR freight cars




Hello Everyone,

I've gone through my 1919 ORER and I have come up with a Pennsylvania Railroad data sheet which includes all of the car series in the Pennsylvania Railroad System (East and West lines). The problem that I have come across is that in the 1919 ORER the Pennsy West car entries does not sort the car series to which railroad they are assigned to. But the Pennsy East entries do.

For example:
- Series 10001 to 29000 is a XL class box car and is assigned to the Pennsylvania Railroad with a total quantity of 17,712 cars.
- Series 81801 to 83500 is a XL class box car and is assigned to the Pennsylvania Railroad's Northern Central Railroad with a total quantity of 1,144 cars.
- Series 533001 to 536127 is a XL class box car and is assigned to the "Pennsylvania Lines West of Pittsburgh" with a total quantity of 3,069 cars.

The "Pennsylvania Lines West of Pittsburgh" railroads include the Pennsylvania Lines, PFW&C, C&P, E&P, PY&A, TC&O, SWSX, MSCX, TWV&O, C&MV, C&M, CA&C and the PCC&StL. Which means that the 533001-series could be assigned to anyone of these railroads. BTW, the Pennsy was leasing stock cars from Mather (MSCX) and from The Streets Co (SWSX) in 1919. 500 cars and 868 cars respectively.

Luckily my 1917 ORER does sort out the Pennsy West cars by railroads and it says that this series of cars are assigned to the Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Chicago & St Louis railroad. So I am able to use the 1917 ORER as a guide in identifying the car series in the 1919 ORER.

Unfortunately not all of the car series in the 1919 ORER are in the 1917 ORER. They remain a mystery to me which is what I need help with.

Here is a basic run down of the mystery car series:
- 12 box car series
- 1 auto box car series
- 6 furniture car series
- 1 produce box car series
- 1 flat car series
- 9 gondola series
- 1 coke gondola series
- 3 refrigerator car series
- 1 beer car series
- 3 stock car series
- 1 horse stock car series

- Steve Hedlund, Everett, WA


I need help with 1919-era Pennsy RR freight cars

S hed <shed999@...>
 

Hello Everyone,

I've gone through my 1919 ORER and I have come up with a Pennsylvania Railroad data sheet which includes all of the car series in the Pennsylvania Railroad System (East and West lines). The problem that I have come across is that in the 1919 ORER the Pennsy West car entries does not sort the car series to which railroad they are assigned to. But the Pennsy East entries do.

For example:
- Series 10001 to 29000 is a XL class box car and is assigned to the Pennsylvania Railroad with a total quantity of 17,712 cars.
- Series 81801 to 83500 is a XL class box car and is assigned to the Pennsylvania Railroad's Northern Central Railroad with a total quantity of 1,144 cars.
- Series 533001 to 536127 is a XL class box car and is assigned to the "Pennsylvania Lines West of Pittsburgh" with a total quantity of 3,069 cars.

The "Pennsylvania Lines West of Pittsburgh" railroads include the Pennsylvania Lines, PFW&C, C&P, E&P, PY&A, TC&O, SWSX, MSCX, TWV&O, C&MV, C&M, CA&C and the PCC&StL. Which means that the 533001-series could be assigned to anyone of these railroads. BTW, the Pennsy was leasing stock cars from Mather (MSCX) and from The Streets Co (SWSX) in 1919. 500 cars and 868 cars respectively.

Luckily my 1917 ORER does sort out the Pennsy West cars by railroads and it says that this series of cars are assigned to the Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Chicago & St Louis railroad. So I am able to use the 1917 ORER as a guide in identifying the car series in the 1919 ORER.

Unfortunately not all of the car series in the 1919 ORER are in the 1917 ORER. They remain a mystery to me which is what I need help with.

Here is a basic run down of the mystery car series:
- 12 box car series
- 1 auto box car series
- 6 furniture car series
- 1 produce box car series
- 1 flat car series
- 9 gondola series
- 1 coke gondola series
- 3 refrigerator car series
- 1 beer car series
- 3 stock car series
- 1 horse stock car series

- Steve Hedlund, Everett, WA


Re: What to do with your model freight cars when your not here anymore

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

My oldest son, who lives across the street, is also a model railroader, also in HO, and we go to sales together usually in the company of that great keeper of the pocket book to whom I am married. One or the other or both ought to do a reasonable job of disposing of things.

The problem they face is that locally there isn't the density of modelers necessary to get the prices bid up to where they ought to be. I once gave a fellow $700.00 for his stash as he was leaving the hobby. Once home a tally revealed there was over $5,000.00 of merchandise using retail cost as a basis. This tally did not include the cost of DCC decoders with sound professionally installed in 7 Sprectrum steam locomotive.

I point this out not to impress anyone with my shopping acumen but rather to show how hard it is in this area to recover a reasonable portion of one's original cost.

I've already begun selling parts of my library on eBay. First to go were a bunch of ORERs. Next will be some bound volumes of Railway Age, Railway Master Mechanic, etc. I contributed gratis about 1,000 Kodachrome slides to a German modeling magazine.

Getting a decent return - not 100% or even 50% - is a lot of work for our survivors. Some of the record keeping and notes mentioned by others will be really helpful but it is still a lot of work.

Gene Green


Re: Funaro, huh?

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

This thread is revealing. If one were interested in bidding on the item one ought to contact the seller for clarification, not this group. Why are we "pouncing" on this fellow for making a mistake? What does that say about us?
Gene Green


Re: USRA Twin Hopper car brake details

bob_karig <karig@...>
 

Al,

The Pullman-Standard Collection in Harrisburg has the following file:

United States Railway Administration Freight Car Standard Design Drawings, 1919-1921. (1 volume) {#393m.51} [Description] [Holding]

Contact me off-line, and maybe we can work something out.

Bob


Re: USRA Twin Hopper car brake details

Roger Hinman <rhinman@...>
 

The PA State Archives at Harrisburg probably has it. Given Rich supplied the number you may be able to order it remotely but you'd get hit with a research and copy fee


Roger Hinman
On Dec 3, 2010, at 10:14 AM, water.kresse@... wrote:



Rich,

Where do these drawings hid? I presume not in Burton, Michigan? You, Vince and I were suppose to get together for some Holiday cheer . . . right? Thanks!!

Al

----- Original Message -----
From: cinderandeight@...
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, December 3, 2010 10:09:23 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: USRA Twin Hopper car brake details

Al,
The brake arrangement drawing for the PRR's USRA twin hoppers (GLD
class) was C427849. Early versions of that drawing probably show the K brake
system, and later issues probably show the AB arrangement.
Rich Burg

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Re: USRA Twin Hopper car brake details

water.kresse@...
 

Rich,



Where do these drawings hid?  I presume not in Burton, Michigan?  You, Vince and I were suppose to get together for some Holiday cheer . . . right?  Thanks!!



Al

----- Original Message -----
From: cinderandeight@...
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, December 3, 2010 10:09:23 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: USRA Twin Hopper car brake details

Al,
    The brake arrangement drawing for the PRR's USRA  twin hoppers (GLD
class) was C427849.  Early versions of that drawing  probably show the K brake
system, and later issues probably show the AB  arrangement.
    Rich Burg

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Re: USRA Twin Hopper car brake details

cinderandeight@...
 

Al,
The brake arrangement drawing for the PRR's USRA twin hoppers (GLD
class) was C427849. Early versions of that drawing probably show the K brake
system, and later issues probably show the AB arrangement.
Rich Burg


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Re: DVD Back Issues (was Magazine Index)

Tim O'Connor
 

Jeff

Here's another company that is publishing magazine archives --
http://www.covertocover.com/ Reviews of this software are not so good,
nor of the Zinio software that was mentioned. It's a fairly new idea,
will probably take a while to get it sorted out and come up with really
good software. Zinio for example originally could "export" as PDF, then
you couldn't, now they claim it will in the future. Stay tuned.

Tim O'Connor

Tim,
I probably will; and when I do, I'll post a review.
Regards,
-Jeff

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 12:18 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] DVD Back Issues (was Magazine Index)

Kalmback wrote:

"This item is a software product that you will need to install on your computer.
It is very user friendly and will have a searchable database for all issue text"

Jeff, you're welcome to spend $150 to find out how well it works.

Tim


Re: What to do with your model freight cars when your not here anymore

Tim O'Connor
 

Charlie

I store finished models in A-Line boxes. I'm writing one 4x6 index card
for each model, with information about the model, and what I've spent on
it. I'll tape these inside the lid of the box. Maintenance free, portable,
no worries about a hard drive crash... I also keep the original box if
there is one, in storage in the garage. So someone will have to go through
those eventually to match cars and boxes, but not me.

And, I have a display case :-)

Tim O'Connor

I told her when I reached the time in my life when the model RR was being dismantled for the last time I was going to make a small display case for my kids (and grandkids) with a locomotive, a string of resin freight cars and a caboose so they had something to remember running the layout with me. Anyone else considered this approach?
Charlie Duckworth


Re: Funaro, huh?

Pieter Roos
 

He probably knows, but made an error entering the the information. Seriously, would you advertise a Westerfield kit as a Funaro? Not to pick on F&C, but is that not a bit like advertising a Porsche as a VW? The typical list prices alone favor the Westerfield model.

Pieter Roos

--- In STMFC@..., jerryglow@... wrote:

How can he take pictures of all those boxes all the same and call them by different manufacturer names? Goes to show you how little ebay sellers know about what they're selling. The RI Fowler clone does build into a nice model: http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/modeling/RI_Fowler.html

Jerry Glow
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals.htnml

--- In STMFC@..., "bpe" <behni@> wrote:

The box plainly says Westerfield. The same seller has eight other listings like this. Sheesh!

http://tinyurl.com/2cc425e

Brian Ehni


Re: ID these ends and roof?

David
 

--- In STMFC@..., "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...> wrote:
The roof is a Cambre radial roof as
noted on the DT&I equipment diagram for these rebuilds.
http://tinyurl.com/DTI-USRA-rebuild
The "Cambre" roof is the same one used on the C&O/NKP ARA 1932 boxes built in 1934. The C&O diagram identifies the roof as "Hutchins", presumably for the manufacturer versus the trade name.

David Thompson


Re: What to do with your model freight cars when your not here anymore

Mark
 

Well put Jim. When Mom passed away the Lord had a new cook, the following day Uncle Ted passed(NYC Conductor), moving the train of fresh pies in Glory.

Once in a while Diane sees something I am working on but she claims sound should be in the locomotives!

Mark Morgan

--- On Thu, 12/2/10, Jim Hayes <jimhayes97225@...> wrote:

From: Jim Hayes <jimhayes97225@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] What to do with your model freight cars when your not here anymore
To: STMFC@...
Date: Thursday, December 2, 2010, 6:17 PM
My wife knows how much I spend on my
hobby and goes to Naperville with me.
My wife, daughter and son-in-law know about my computerized
inventory which
includes the retail price of each item.
Each kit box contains a running total of the kit price plus
the price of any
details added. Labor is not included.
Some kit boxes contain notes about current prices on eBay.
I've retained the
box for every car, where notes are kept and told wife &
daughter that
there's a box to match every car on display.
My step-kids have an awareness of the above but are less
involved.
Besides, once I'm gone, I won't care anymore.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Mark Morgan <bnonut@...>
wrote:



Sounds like a good idea Charlie. Most do not realize
the value of our work,
let alone the cost.
I have noticed that some members in train clubs look
forward to the loss of
one for his collection.

Mark Morgan

--- On Thu, 12/2/10, Charlie D modeling the Mopac http://mopac51.tripod <
omahaduck@...
<omahaduck%40gmail.com>> wrote:

From: Charlie D modeling the Mopac http://mopac51.tripod <
omahaduck@...
<omahaduck%40gmail.com>>
Subject: [STMFC] What to do with your model freight
cars when your not here
anymore
To: STMFC@...
<STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, December 2, 2010, 4:57 PM



The recent eBay discussion reminded me of a
conversation I had last night
with Mrs. D. I was finishing up the Westerfield DRGW
boxcar last night and
told my wife not to sell it for $1 at a garage sale
after I was gone.

I told her when I reached the time in my life when the
model RR was being
dismantled for the last time I was going to make a
small display case for my
kids (and grandkids) with a locomotive, a string of
resin freight cars and a
caboose so they had something to remember running the
layout with me. Anyone
else considered this approach?

Charlie Duckworth

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