Thank you Dill.
Gene Green

Naah, it's a visual trick resulting from the really high contrast level in that photo. If the end actually was recessed, the rounded ends of the darts would be hidden by the vertical rivet strip on the corner.
David Thompson

Dear Gene:

The paint schemes appear to be correct, although I could not tell in the cars with the later Gothic lettering have silver roofs.

Bill Welch

The two previous photos on the listed site, p01668 and p01669, show what looks like a normal junction between roof, end and sides on the same car.

Greg Kennelly
Burnaby, BC

--- Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

Actually, it looks sort of like the corners of the ends and sides are
flanged, like the sides are long enough to run past the plane of the end,
much like the roof does. Is that correct? You can't see the far corner
because of the ladder's stile.

SGL

Actually, it looks sort of like the corners of the ends and sides are
flanged, like the sides are long enough to run past the plane of the end,
much like the roof does. Is that correct? You can't see the far corner
because of the ladder's stile.

SGL



Thanks, Charlie, for the photos link! :-)

http://thelibrary.springfield.missouri.org/lochist/frisco/friscoline/images/
photos/p01670.jpg

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Let me reclarify:

Scalecoat Oxide Red and Floquil Zinc Chromate Primer are good for B&O bright oxide red, painted on B&O boxcars 1945 to about 1964

Your question was about B&O freight car brown, painted on B&O boxcars before 1945 and a little bit afterwards. I am looking at a Tamika military model red brown paint for that. I do not have the product number close at hand. This is fresh off the griddle research subject to peer review, not established wisdom.







--- In STMFC@..., O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@> wrote:

Gentlemen, It took awhile but the topic finally came down to my level.
Scalecoat Oxide Red and Floquil Zinc Chromate Primer. Got it. I have one
more Sunshine B&O wagontop to do. This will help.
Thanks
Regards,
Fenton

On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 3:39 PM, jim_mischke <jmischke@> wrote:

Prior to 1945, B&O used a hand mixed paint with a ferrous oxide pigment on
its boxcars and cabooses, calling the recipe "Freight Car Brown".

Ferrous oxide is basically aged rust, a brown hue with a reddish overtone.

A genuine B&O paint chip for this color has not emerged, and color photos
of this paint in decent shape are rare. There is a newly painted wood M-15j
in a Jack Delano Kodachrome image at Galewood in Chicago at the Library of
Congress web site. I work from that.

This brown paint weathers quickly (rust paint on a rust prone steel boxcar)
into a myriad of effects. Sometimes it feels quixotic to search for the
original color when it doesn't last. Still, it would be good to start with
some documented B&O practice, however elusive.

I am looking at Tamika military model paints for inspiration, their
red-brown in particular, but will withhold judgement for the time being,
consider it research in progress.

In 1945, B&O began to specify bright red oxide commercial paints for new
cars and repairs. Ed Hawkin's ACF paint chip collection for B&O boxcar
orders shows that this transition was not uniform nor timely. Photo evidence
suggests some B&O car shops kept using freight car brown for years to paint
repaired cars.

The best paint for this B&O bright red oxide is Scalecoat Oxide Red #2002.
I will also use Floquil Zinc Chromate primer for variety.

--- In STMFC@..., O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@> wrote:

Gentlemen, any idea of which model paints, if any out of the bottle best
match this " Alkali Resisting Brown" ?

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@> wrote:

On Jan 28, 2011, at 10:07 PM, rwitt_2000 wrote:

I believe the post-WWII "13 States" cars should be painted oxide red
not
the earlier dark brown. Maybe Ed Hawkins can find the bill of
materials
to verify the paint specifications for the 500 class M-58a built by
AC&F
in 1947 for the B&O.

Bob,
You are correct. According to the paint sample for the M-58A 50' box
cars built by AC&F in 10-47, the cars received Pittsburgh Synthetic
paint (an oxide shade). So the switch from brown to oxide red
occurred sometime between 12-41, when the M-55A/B box cars that
received "Alkali Resisting Brown" were built, and 10-47. This oxide
shade was similar to that used by ACL, CNW, L&N, UP and others during
the postwar years.

A portion of the M-60 and M-61 50' box cars built in 1951 received an
even lighter-brighter shade of oxide red, much like the color Western
Maryland used during the 1950s, while the balance received the same
oxide shade as the M-58A cars.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

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Fenton Wells
3047 Creek Run
Sanford NC 27332
919-499-5545
srrfan1401@


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Fenton Wells
3047 Creek Run
Sanford NC 27332
919-499-5545
srrfan1401@


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Bill,
You wrote, and I quote, "Two friends have asked me to comment to comment on the accuracy of the paint and stenciling schemes for the latest release of InterMountain's wood sheathed FGE/WFE reefer post war rebuild models."

You, and others, went on to discuss the InterMountain car itself and its fidelity or lack of fidelity to the prototype but, although I believe I followed the discussion quite closely, the accuracy of the paint and stenciling schemes except for a comment about an incorrect car number.

Will you please comment on the accuracy of the paint and stenciling schemes? Or are the cars simply too bogus to permit a comment?

Gene Green