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Re: PRR G32C Gon
pennsylvania1954
Hi Charlie--Approximately 105 cars rebuilt from G32A starting in 1966, after the time period discussed on this list. Info is available here:
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http://prr.railfan.net/freight/classpage.html?class=G32 An article with photos on the G32 and subclasses is in The Keystone Modeler for Feb 2005, available here: http://www.prrths.com/newprr_files/newPRRKeystoneModeler.htm Steve Hoxie Pensacola FL --- In STMFC@..., "Charles Morrill" <badlands@...> wrote:
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Re: PRR G32C Gon
Andy Cich
Charlie wrote:
A friend has a PRR G32C gon model and needs some more info on the prototype. What are the series numbers, when were they built, and by who? http://prr.railfan.net/freight/classpage.html?class=G32 According to the link, G32c were rebuilt from G32a in 1966. (Past this list end date) See TKM #19 (The Keystone Modeler) for further information. I believe this issue is available on CD from the PRRT&HS. Andy Cich |
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PRR G32C Gon
Charles Morrill
A friend has a PRR G32C gon model and needs some more info on the prototype. What are the series numbers, when were they built, and by who?
Charlie |
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Re: Essential Freight cars
Allen Cain <allencain@...>
I think this was in the MARCH 2004 RMC and I sent you a scanned copy
off-list. Large file so hope you got it. If not, let me know and I will try to reduce the file size. Allen Cain |
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Re: Question on Branchline GM&O boxcar 22063 AAR 50 Ton 40 foot 6 foot door
al_brown03
Good question: how *is* a novice to know? Well, one asks ... and usually gets informed. I like to take old models, and detail them up for the closest prototype; the complicated part is the research. Sometimes a model that doesn't fit its nominal prototype is a decent model of something else, like the aforementioned Athearn "SW1500"/SW7. And some models with iffy reputations aren't really bogus, just esoteric: like the Walthers 50' single-sheathed double-door boxcar. On the other hand, some models aren't close to any prototype, like (IMO) the Athearn three-compartment tank. And further, some modellers will accept more deviation from prototype, or more need to modify a commercial model, than others. Bottom line: one asks, and reads, and judges for oneself.
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Not real prescriptive, was I? -- hth -- -- Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla. --- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
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Re: Question on Branchline GM&O boxcar 22063 AAR 50 Ton 40 foot 6 foot door
Are you too young to remember the Athearn "SW1500" which was in fact
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a much older SW7, and yet Irv marketed it that way for almost 20 years, even though he had SW1500 tooling sitting on a pallet collecting dust? And on the other hand, vendors often don't even know what they have! Tim O'Connor At 2/11/2011 08:16 PM Friday, you wrote:
What ever happened to "truth in advertising"? How is a novice to know what is the real ASF-A3 truck? It is nice to have some steering advice on this. Thanks Brian. |
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Re: Question on Branchline GM&O boxcar 22063 AAR 50 Ton 40 foot 6 foot door
davesnyder59
What ever happened to "truth in advertising"? How is a novice to know what is the real ASF-A3 truck? It is nice to have some steering advice on this. Thanks Brian.
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Dave Snyder Louisville, Ky. --- In STMFC@..., "brianleppert@..." <brianleppert@...> wrote:
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Re: Question on Branchline GM&O boxcar 22063 AAR 50 Ton 40 foot 6 foot door
brianleppert@att.net
InterMountain's ASF trucks are NOT A-3s! Kato and Kadee both make correct 50-ton A-3 trucks.
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Brian Leppert Tahoe Model Works Carson City, NV --- In STMFC@..., "davesnyder59" <davesnyder59@...> wrote:
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FGE LIves!
Bill Welch
Today I visited the sole remnant of Fruit Growers Express, near Montcrief Yard (ex-ACL) in Jacksonville, FL. This has been their location since before 1920. Now owned by CSX, it repairs freight cars, albeit modern ones and maintains mechanical refrigerator cars, their only remaining link to the past and their name. I went bearing gifts in the form of sew-on patches for jackets/coats and iron-on ones for hats from sometime in the 1980's, which were gifted to me last summer. Just walking in "off the street" with no warning, I did not know what kind of reception I would receive. I was warmly received and they became very excited when I told them about the book I am working on.
The men were on their morning break which gave us all time to talk. There were 2nd and 3rd generation FGE employees among them. One of the youngest men, who has worked there for 4 years seemed very interested in FGE's history and took me upstairs to a loft with things like old "Time Cards," rolled up drawings, and many file drawers filled with who knows what. I asked if I could come back and rummage around through the drawers, and other items in the loft and they said to just give them some notice. I also proposed doing a presentation for them about their early history and will work this out somehow. Obviously I hope to stumble across some treasures related to the refrigerator cars of the FGE/WFE/BRE System of the period we celebrate on this list (mandatory content). After this very exciting and fun experience, I went down to the J'ville Times-Union newspaper where I was given 5 scans of photos (from 4x5 negs) from 1952 in Hasting, FL related to loading potatoes into FGE reefers. Today was a very good day! Bill Welch |
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Re: LRX reporting mark
ROGER HINMAN
The LRX cars were built for DLW in 1925 by ACF. Photos and drawings are in the Car Cycs .They were later leased by MDT to provide protective service for DL&W, and after the war were returned to DLW. While under MDT management, they wore the LRX reporting mark.
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In the late forties and fifties, a lot of older reefers were used for shipping canned goods. The cleanliness of the cars may have been more attractive than the insulation. Roger Hinman On Feb 11, 2011, at 10:24 AM, Norm Buckhart wrote:
Tony - it's Lackawana's reefer line - this is the only pix I have. Regards, Norm Buckhart |
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Re: Question on Branchline GM&O boxcar 22063 AAR 50 Ton 40 foot 6 foot door
davesnyder59
Thanks Brian, will get the Intermountain ASF-3 50 ton trucks as well. I model 1958-60 era, by that time these roofwalks would be 10 years old, I'm thinking a grayish color for the roofwalk would be more appropriate for the portions without over-spray than the stainless steel Plano color. Maybe some rust? Any thoughts? TIA.
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Dave Snyder Louisville, Ky. --- In STMFC@..., "Brian Carlson" <prrk41361@...> wrote:
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Re: Question on Branchline GM&O boxcar 22063 AAR 50 Ton 40 foot 6 foot door
Also The 22000 series had ASF A-3 trucks.
Brian J. Carlson, P.E. Cheektowaga, NY From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of davesnyder59 Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 6:09 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Re: Question on Branchline GM&O boxcar 22063 AAR 50 Ton 40 foot 6 foot door Thank you Brian, Steve, Ed and Tim; I truly appreciate the information. I am a little more perplexed with the kit though. Branchline line supplied extra ladders suggesting the 8 rung ladder were correct and recommending it over the kit supplied 7 rung ladders. But Ed your compendium on the steam era freight car list that I was directed to says the seven rung is correct. Thank God, I have a US Gypsum roofwalk as on hand as well. I will order the correct doors as well. Anyone have any other suggestions? I would like to get this done well. TIA. Dave Snyder Louisville, Ky. --- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
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Re: Question on Branchline GM&O boxcar 22063 AAR 50 Ton 40 foot 6 foot door
gn999gn
There is a also a Paul Dunn photo of GM&O 21022 (circa-1958) on page-175 of the Speedwitch publication, Steam Era Freight Cars Reference Manual volume One, if you happen to have this handbook.
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Ron dePierre --- In STMFC@..., "davesnyder59" <davesnyder59@...> wrote:
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Re: Question on Branchline GM&O boxcar 22063 AAR 50 Ton 40 foot 6 foot door
davesnyder59
Thank you Brian, Steve, Ed and Tim; I truly appreciate the information. I am a little more perplexed with the kit though. Branchline line supplied extra ladders suggesting the 8 rung ladder were correct and recommending it over the kit supplied 7 rung ladders. But Ed your compendium on the steam era freight car list that I was directed to says the seven rung is correct. Thank God, I have a US Gypsum roofwalk as on hand as well. I will order the correct doors as well. Anyone have any other suggestions? I would like to get this done well. TIA.
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Dave Snyder Louisville, Ky. --- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
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Re: Question on Branchline GM&O boxcar 22063 AAR 50 Ton 40 foot 6 foot door
The ACF builder photos of GM&O 22061 show a very sharp contrast between
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the black of the car ends, and the sides. In these photos the roof also appears to be the same color as the sides. Moreover, I see on the A-end of the car, about 12" of the running board (the overhang) is painted black, and there is a sharp contrast where that ends -- from that point the running board appears to be unpainted (galvanized) color. This photo may have been taken before the car cement was applied to the roof -- or there may have been overspray from the sides onto a black roof. The brake step, brake housing and brake wheel were definitely black. An in-service color photo of GM&O 21224 (previous series, lot 3057) looks like the roof was originally black although most of it has peeled off, revealing the original oxide color of the seam caps. Tim O'Connor ----------------------------------------------------- In the AC&F bill of materials for lot no. 3141, series 22000-22419, the |
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Re: Question on Branchline GM&O boxcar 22063 AAR 50 Ton 40 foot 6 foot door
-- The GM&O cars had different doors than supplied with the BLT kit.
-- Brian Carlson That's correct. The Branchline Youngstown 6' door is a 5/6/6 (YSD-2 in Hawkinsese). The correct door is a 6/6/5 (YSD-2A), available from Dan Hall (Southwest Scale Productions) as door #622. Tim O'Connor |
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Re: Question on Branchline GM&O boxcar 22063 AAR 50 Ton 40 foot 6 foot door
Ed Hawkins
On Feb 11, 2011, at 1:22 PM, davesnyder59 wrote:
Hi STMFC people, I bought this Branchline kit knowing that it'sDave, In the AC&F bill of materials for lot no. 3141, series 22000-22419, the painting instructions are silent about the running boards and brake steps. What this normally means is that they were not "painted" or not intentionally so. Steel running boards such as Apex, Gypsum, etc., were often but not always left in their natural galvanized steel. However, if the roof was coated with black car cement as was the roof of these GM&O cars, running boards typically received "overspray" of the car cement. As a result, running boards where they intersect seam caps were typically received some black car cement because the seam caps received a heavy coating of car cement. Between the seam caps, the running boards were left in their natural state except for a certain amount of "overspray" that in the builder's specifications "would not be objectionable." Incidentally, the running boards & brake steps for GM&O 22000-22419, built 12-47, were U.S. Gypsum. Regards, Ed Hawkins |
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Re: Question on Branchline GM&O boxcar 22063 AAR 50 Ton 40 foot 6 foot door
pennsylvania1954
Hi Dave--There is some info available here:
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http://www.steamfreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/postwaraarpdf.html Steve Hoxie Pensacola FL --- In STMFC@..., "davesnyder59" <davesnyder59@...> wrote:
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Re: Question on Branchline GM&O boxcar 22063 AAR 50 Ton 40 foot 6 foot door
Dave; I don't recall what I did with the roofwalk but the doors should be replaced as well. The GM&O cars had different doors than supplied with the BLT kit.
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Brian Carlson --- On Fri, 2/11/11, davesnyder59 <davesnyder59@...> wrote:
From: davesnyder59 <davesnyder59@...> Subject: [STMFC] Question on Branchline GM&O boxcar 22063 AAR 50 Ton 40 foot 6 foot door To: STMFC@... Date: Friday, February 11, 2011, 2:22 PM Hi STMFC people, I bought this Branchline kit knowing that it's company was being sold to Atlas. I am trying to bring it up to more prototypical standards and correct errors in the kit instructions. The A and B ens were reversed to start with, fixed that. Put on Sergent narrow shank and box couplers and Code 88 wheels. The roof and ends on this car are black. The kit has an Apex roofwalk painted black to match the roof color. I am replacing it with a Plano Apex. My question is would GM&O have painted the Apex roofwalk since it was Galvanized? I am not really too well versed on GM&O practices being a B&O fan, but from a safety aspect it would seem better to leave the roofwalk unpainted/car cemented etc. Realizing this more of a betterment than the kit bashing normally espoused here, I am still hoping for a little guidance from the members. TIA. Dave Snyder Louisville, Ky. |
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Question on Branchline GM&O boxcar 22063 AAR 50 Ton 40 foot 6 foot door
davesnyder59
Hi STMFC people, I bought this Branchline kit knowing that it's company was being sold to Atlas. I am trying to bring it up to more prototypical standards and correct errors in the kit instructions. The A and B ens were reversed to start with, fixed that. Put on Sergent narrow shank and box couplers and Code 88 wheels. The roof and ends on this car are black. The kit has an Apex roofwalk painted black to match the roof color. I am replacing it with a Plano Apex. My question is would GM&O have painted the Apex roofwalk since it was Galvanized? I am not really too well versed on GM&O practices being a B&O fan, but from a safety aspect it would seem better to leave the roofwalk unpainted/car cemented etc. Realizing this more of a betterment than the kit bashing normally espoused here, I am still hoping for a little guidance from the members. TIA.
Dave Snyder Louisville, Ky. |
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