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Re: Rapido freight car at Cocoa Beach

mike brock <brockm@...>
 

Jason writes:

Speaking of odd characters, please try to see Bill's presentation. His wife has decided it would be too boring so she won't be there. There goes our one attendee.
Oh...I suspect there will be at least one more. I plan to be there to give him the Bronx "cheer" if his presentation begins to drag...

Mike Brock...Now...should I go ahead and open the Rapido box that arrived yesterday for me to take to the show...or should I wait and let Bill open it?


Re: Rapido freight car at Cocoa Beach

Marty McGuirk
 

Hey Bill,

Does my guess count?

Believe you have the address. You can combine this with the payment for the changes on the layout the A-F cars compelled me to make.

Marty McGuirk
Manassas, VA


Re: ORERs on Google Books

jerryglow2
 

I understand the clipping - that was not the problem. Al's versions are numbered RR1 RR2 etc with RR a specific railroad and the number representing from low to high the "pages" (files) on the disk - a perfectly workable solution for me. I will often go to a particular year listing then jump to the same RR in another year and find the organiation fits perfectly. Trying to find page numbers esp if not even organiazed would be impossible.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., Howard R Garner <cascaderail@...> wrote:

Posted by: "jerryglow@..." jerryglow@... jerryglow2
Wed Jan 5, 2011 5:57 pm (PST)


But the page numbers are the way I was taught: 1 2 3 etc not willy nilly like I saw in the one I downloaded. And the roads Al's versions cover seem to satisfy my requirements. I haven't run across a car I wanted to research or got a huge request for decals that wasn't in them.

Jerry Glow
In many cases the page number is not complete, the last or first digit
may be missing. That makes it look confusing. The pages were scanned
in order. You need to look forward or back a few pages to verify.

Then the Westerfield CD's do not have any of the page numbers, this was
be design.

Howard Garner


Re: ORERs on Google Books

jerryglow2
 

Aug 1908 is the one I got. It's a moot point for me as I have no interest in material that old but got it out of curiousity. I'm of the school of if it's worth doing, it's worth doing well. IMHO what I've seen does not meet that criteria.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., Ray Breyer <rtbsvrr69@...> wrote:

But the page numbers are the way I
was taught: 1 2 3 etc not willy nilly like I saw in the one
I downloaded. And the roads Al's versions cover seem to
satisfy my requirements. I haven't run across a car I wanted
to research or got a huge request for decals that wasn't in
them.
Jerry Glow

Hmmm....which issue did you download? I've downloaded seven of them so far (7/04, 2/08, 4/08, 4/09, 12/12, 2/13, 6/17, plus four OGs) and they all seem to be in page order. I have found a few blurred or skewed pages, and even a scan of someone's thumb, but what do you expect with interns for help?

Besides, digging through random piles of miscellaneous pages looking for gold is what research is all about!

Regards,
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


WOT Re: Re:

Allen Rueter
 

Way Off Topic,
I stumbled in to this odd character problem at work while migrating some web
page from one kind of

server to another. It turned out a mac web edit tool was using hex 80 as a
non-breaking space, and hoping the
web browser was in 7bit mode. But in 8 bit mode you get an A with something over
it.
My fix was to change them to the correct html: &nbsp;

Now if someone would just make a UCR gon.

--
Allen Rueter
StLouis MO




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From: lnbill <fgexbill@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wed, January 5, 2011 3:04:22 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Rapido freight car at Cocoa Beach


I am curious what causes the typographic oddities like those in Bill's message?
I see them in other's as well. Is it because I have an Apple?

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., "Bill Schneider" <bschneider424@...> wrote:

I’m off in the EARLY AM to Prototype Rails in Cocoa Beach. I’ve noticed
that Mike has very thoughtfully seen that the Cocoa Beach heat wave is ending
just in time to minimize any sudden temperature shock for us Northern types!
Much appreciated (ahem...) ;>)

For those who joined in the guessing games this last summer on the new Rapido
HO freight car... one of you is correct. You’ll have to wait until this
weekend to find out who.... First run test samples will be on our table. I will
say that it looks great so far!
Looking forward to seeing many of you there.

Bill Schneider
Rapido Trains








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Re: ORERs on Google Books

earlyrail
 

Posted by: "jerryglow@..." jerryglow@... jerryglow2
Wed Jan 5, 2011 5:57 pm (PST)


But the page numbers are the way I was taught: 1 2 3 etc not willy nilly like I saw in the one I downloaded. And the roads Al's versions cover seem to satisfy my requirements. I haven't run across a car I wanted to research or got a huge request for decals that wasn't in them.

Jerry Glow
In many cases the page number is not complete, the last or first digit may be missing. That makes it look confusing. The pages were scanned in order. You need to look forward or back a few pages to verify.

Then the Westerfield CD's do not have any of the page numbers, this was be design.

Howard Garner


Re: Rapido freight car at Cocoa Beach

Jason Shron
 

--- In STMFC@..., "moonmuln" <jack.f.mullen@...> wrote:

I see some of those odd characters at Naperville, and some are probably down in Florida now. Oh wait, that wasn't what you meant?

Jack Mullen
Speaking of odd characters, please try to see Bill's presentation. His wife has decided it would be too boring so she won't be there. There goes our one attendee.

-Jason


Re: Rapido freight car at Cocoa Beach

glgpat <glgpat@...>
 

Oddly enough, the only place see strange character's was when someone replied and copied the original message.

I guess it shows my age but every time I see the title "Rapido freight car" the first thing I see is an old N scale boxcar.

Sure wish I was going to Cocoa Beach . . .

Pat Wilkinson


Re: ORERs on Google Books

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Ray Breyer wrote:
Here's a good example: the Westerfield 1950 ORER has 668 individual "pages", including the index pages, and a few of the smaller roads are repeats on other, larger (full-sized) pages. The 1953 ORER hardcopy that I have is 848 pages long. 22% of the ORER is gone (yes, I know that they weren't all the same page count year by year; this is an illustration.....)
My April 1953 ORER has page numbers up to 826, but there are DEFINITELY not 826 pages in it. There are numerous gaps, likely due to the ORER publisher allowing space for expansion of entries. If you work with a continuous series of ORER issues, you will find a particular railroad at the same starting page for years, though the size of the full issue varies from issue to issue. As examples, there are no pages between 16 and 24; 190-196; 232-240; 282-286; 424-434; 458-466; 488-494; etc. etc. OTOH there are 24 Roman-numeraled pages in the front. In addition there are a number of regulatory pages I've never consulted.
You guys complaining about missing pages need to compare to a hard copy to be SURE there is anything missing.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: product name and source

nvrr49 <nvrr49@...>
 

That sounds like a good idea. Please post some pictures of you your progress.

Kent in KC
nvrr49.blogspot.com

--- In STMFC@..., "Al and Patricia Westerfield" <westerfield@...> wrote:

Regarding the elastic string I asked about recently, the best source I've found is Fire Mountain Gems www.firemtn.com. The company has a large selection of colors and sizes in 1 mm increments from 1 to 4. Since I plan to use it for pipe railing I've sent for 3 and 4mm material to test. - Al Westerfield

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Re: ORERs on Google Books

Ray Breyer
 

But the page numbers are the way I
was taught: 1 2 3 etc not willy nilly like I saw in the one
I downloaded. And the roads Al's versions cover seem to
satisfy my requirements. I haven't run across a car I wanted
to research or got a huge request for decals that wasn't in
them.
Jerry Glow

Hmmm....which issue did you download? I've downloaded seven of them so far (7/04, 2/08, 4/08, 4/09, 12/12, 2/13, 6/17, plus four OGs) and they all seem to be in page order. I have found a few blurred or skewed pages, and even a scan of someone's thumb, but what do you expect with interns for help?

Besides, digging through random piles of miscellaneous pages looking for gold is what research is all about!

Regards,
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


Re: ORERs on Google Books

Ray Breyer
 

I have both paper ORERs and almost
all of the Westerfield CDs. The Westerfield CDs include the
railroad and private owner index and, I believe, the data
for all of the railroads and private owners. I like the
organization of the files into separate files for each page.
I find it easy to use. I don't understand Ray's comment that
the Westerfield CDs are "essentially useless for any
research beyond individual larger, more popular roads."

Larry Kline

Hi Larry,

Here's a good example: the Westerfield 1950 ORER has 668 individual "pages", including the index pages, and a few of the smaller roads are repeats on other, larger (full-sized) pages. The 1953 ORER hardcopy that I have is 848 pages long. 22% of the ORER is gone (yes, I know that they weren't all the same page count year by year; this is an illustration.....)

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


Re: ORERs on Google Books

Jack Mullen
 

--- In STMFC@..., jerryglow@... wrote:

But the page numbers are the way I was taught: 1 2 3 etc not willy nilly like I saw in the one I downloaded. And the roads Al's versions cover seem to satisfy my requirements. I haven't run across a car I wanted to research or got a huge request for decals that wasn't in them.

Jerry Glow
Jerry,

I haven't noticed any downloads with scrambled pages, tho I can't say for sure there isn't one. I have seen several where part of the page number is clipped off at the edge so instead of say 198, 199, 200, 201, you may see something like 19, 99, 20, 1. I also expect there are pages missing, maybe a lot of them, either because they were missing from the bound volume or because some sheets went through the scanner together.

Which one did you find was scrambled?

Jack Mullen


Re: Rapido freight car at Cocoa Beach

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

For one thing, it's free from work and as the Mac Tech, I have to support
it. Outlook really isn't bad. Entourage was the pits on Exchange (though not
so bad for POP).

Thanks!
--

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PC Technician
Information Technology
P.O. Box 141000
Nashville, Tennessee 37214
tel: 615.902.1365
fax: 615.902.1540
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From: Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 16:53:27 -0800
To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Rapido freight car at Cocoa Beach






On Jan 5, 2011, at 1:53 PM, bpe wrote:

FWIW, My Apple's Microsoft Office 2011 (Outlook 2011) also shows them.

Brian Ehni
Well, there's the problem, for Pete's sake. Why are you running
Microsoft anything on a Mac?

Richard Hendrickson

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Re: ORERs on Google Books

Ray Breyer
 

You DO know there's an alphabetical
table of contents in the front??
Tony Thompson 

Yes Tony, I know all about all of the indexes in the ORERs. I was talking about the physical act of grabbing a hardcopy original ORER and flipping the pages manually, versus opening up a digital copy and doing the same thing "virtually", which is far faster (especially if you're talking about comparing numbers through several of them at once).

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


Westerfield's ORER disks

Adrian Hundhausen
 

I have and frequently use Al's 1892 ORER disk, and it is shockingly complete. Sometimes the railroad you want is listed as a subsidiary of a bigger one and is tricky to find, but they are all there.

Best,
Adrian Hundhausen


Re: Rapido freight car at Cocoa Beach

Jack Mullen
 

--- In STMFC@..., Rick Aylsworth wrote:

I see those odd characters in some of the messages posted...

I see some of those odd characters at Naperville, and some are probably down in Florida now. Oh wait, that wasn't what you meant?

Jack Mullen


Re: ORERs on Google Books

Jack Mullen
 

All,

Here's a little help for finding stuff within each ORER scan.

I've listed the volume and issue as Google identifies it, then the first volume, number and date it contains, then the number of pages, number of "numbers" (monthly issues) included, and the starting page number for each, usually the cover sheet.

If you want to look within a specific issue, you can go directly to the starting page, and the contents will be just a few pages farther. In some issues there are many roman numbered pages preceeding page 1, and some blocks of page numbers are omitted, so getting to a specific page isn't direct, but it's not hard to find your way around.

Title: Vol 16 Issue 4 Starts with Vol 16 No 10, Mar 1901; 3 numbers in 1097 pages 16.10 p.8; 16.11 p.376; 16.12 p.734

Title: Vol 17 Issue 1 Starts with Vol 17 No 1, Jun 1901; 3 numbers in 1421 pages 17.1 p.8; 17.2 p.368; 17.3 p.720

Title: Vol 17 Issue 2 Starts with Vol 17 No 4, Sep 1901; 3 numbers in 1095 pages 17.4 p.8; 17.5 p.364; 17.6 p.726

Title: Vol 18 Issue 4 Starts with Vol 18 No 10, Mar 1903; 2 numbers in 623 pages 18.10 p.8; 18.12 p.268

Title: Vol 19 Issue 2 Starts with Vol 19 No 4, Sep 1903; 3 numbers in 1135 pages 19.4 p.8; 19.5 p.396; 19.6 p.768

Title: Vol 20 Issue 4 Starts with Vol 20 No 10, Mar 1905; 2 numbers in 825 pages 20.10 p.10; 20.11 p.412; missing 20.12 May

Title: Vol 20-21 Starts with Vol 20 No 2, Jul 1904; 2 numbers in 795 pages 20.2 p.; 21.2 p.384

Title: Vol 23 Issue 1 Starts with Vol 23 No 1, Jun 1907; 2 numbers in 955 pages 23.1 p.8; 23.2 p.478

Title: Vol 23 Issue 2 Starts with Vol 23 No 3, Aug 1907; 2 numbers in 961 pages 23.3 p.8; 23.4 p.474

Title: Vol 23 Issue 3 Starts with Vol 23 No 5, Oct 1907; 2 numbers in 977 pages 23.5 p8; 23.6 p.496

Title: Vol 23 Issue 5 Starts with Vol 23 No 9, Feb 1908; 2 numbers in 997 pages 23.9 p.8; 23.10 p.504

Title: Vol 23 Issue 6 Starts with Vol 23 No 11, Apr 1908; 2 numbers in 989 pages 23.11 p.8; 23.12 p.496

Title: Vol 24 Issue 1 Starts with Vol 24 No 1, Jun 1908; 2 numbers in 1005 pages 24.1 p.8; 24.2 508

Title: Vol 24 Issue 2 Starts with Vol 24 No 3, Aug 1908; 2 numbers in 961 pages 24.3 p.8; 24.4 p.488

Title: Vol 24 Issue 3 Starts with Vol 24 No 5, Oct 1908; 2 numbers in 1007 pages 24.5 p.8; 24.6 p.498

Title: Vol 24 Issue 6 Starts with Vol 24 No 11, Apr 1909; 2 numbers in 1025 pages 24.11 p.8; 24.12 p.512

Title: Vol 24 Starts with Vol 24 No 7, Dec 1908; 2 numbers in 1015 pages 24.7 p.8; 24.8 p.508

Title: Vol 28 Issue 4 Starts with Vol 28 No 7, Dec 1912; 2 numbers in 1351 pages 28.7 p.8; 28.8 p. 650

Title: Vol 28 Issue 5 Starts with Vol 28 No 9, Feb 1913; 2 numbers in 1421 pages 28.9 p8; 28.10 p.708

Title: Vol 33 Issue 1 Starts with Vol 33 No 1, Jun 1917; 1 numbers in 858 pages 33.01 p.8


Jack


Re: ORERs on Google Books

jerryglow2
 

But the page numbers are the way I was taught: 1 2 3 etc not willy nilly like I saw in the one I downloaded. And the roads Al's versions cover seem to satisfy my requirements. I haven't run across a car I wanted to research or got a huge request for decals that wasn't in them.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., Ray Breyer <rtbsvrr69@...> wrote:

I tried that realizing the cover
pages etc count as PDF but not document pages only to find
the pages were in no particular order. It's like they cut up
the ORER and randomly scanned pages. Hopefully it doesn't
occur in all issues. I actually don't need them as they're
way too early for me and I have 5 Westerfield ones scattered
from 1940 to 1959 on the hard drive.
Jerry Glow

Except that the Westerfield ORERs are FAR from complete documents, and are essentially useless for any research beyond individual larger, more popular roads (can't count ALL cars in the national fleet, for example, and you lose most of the supporting data that's as fascinating as the car counts for each road)

And railroads within ORERs ARE scattered at random. There's SOME effort to group them by region (placing the deep south first, for example), but beyond that you just need to dig around for the appropriate page you want (checking the index first). I actually find searching these digital ORERs to be a LOT faster than wandering over to a shelf, pulling out an ORER hardcopy, and then flipping pages.

Regards,
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


Re: ORERs on Google Books

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

That's what the index is for. You'll find it in the first few pages just like the hard copy.
Gene Green

--- In STMFC@..., jerryglow@... wrote:

Limited use IMO. The one I D/Led is not searchable nor pages arranged in order. I don't have the time or patience to shift thru 800 pages to find a specific railroad.

Jerry Glow