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IM part help

Brian Carlson
 

Did IM ever tool 8 rung ladders for their 10'6' IH cars? I can't tell from
the information on their website, it just says body details. I have a bunch
of Modified 1937 AAR cars that will require 8 rung ladders. I know BLT has
them, just wondering if IM ever tooled them.

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
prrk41361@...


Re: Armored Payroll Car?

Frank Greene
 

Bob C wrote:
The image on this link is described as an "Armored Payroll Car":

http://www.waymarking.com/gallery/default.aspx?f=1&guid=be82959e-972a-40db-b48d-6f5c64ab61d1&gid=2

Were there such cars?

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, Ca

The "ghost" lettering says:

T. C. I. & R. R. CO.
TCIX
MX91

Any trace of paint or letter color is gone and it sits in the middle of a vacant lot near an abandoned TCI&RR/BS branch. It's steel and it was a pay car, but armored? The side and end sheets look like typical steel sheets; thick enough to stop small bullets, but nothing heavy.

--

Frank Greene
Memphis, TN


Re: CNW Modified 1937 AAR boxcars

Ed Hawkins
 

On May 29, 2010, at 5:15 PM, Brian J Carlson wrote:

I'm prepping for future projects I have CNW boxcar 84250 from IM and am
looking to see what needs to change. Looking at the photos in the
October
1996 RMJ on the bottom of page 11, I can't tell from the grainy photo
if the
trucks are ACF A-3's Ride Control, they look to be, but I am not
certain.
Does anyone have a better photo of CNW series 82652-84250 (even No's
only)
to tell for certain. The article also states 300 cars got Apex
Tri-lok roof
walks and 500 got Gypsum, but it does say how these were distributed.
First
300 got Apex, last 500 Gypsum? Thanks.
Brian,
Trucks on the 800 cars were spring-plankless Barber S-2 Stabilized. The
first 300 cars had Apex running boards & brake steps, the last 500 had
U.S. Gypsum.
All cars had Ajax hand brakes. This data comes from the CNW diagram
for these cars, and is documented by photographs.

AC&F builder's photos of 83574 and 83642, both new 1-45, illustrate
that the left side of the cars had "The Overland Route" and the right
side had "Route of the 400 Fleet." As built the sides and trucks
received CNW #3 freight car red (red oxide). Ends, roofs, running
boards & underframes were black. White stencils.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: CNW Modified 1937 AAR boxcars

Brian Carlson
 

Thanks Richard!



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

prrk41361@...



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Richard Hendrickson
Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 6:49 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] CNW Modified 1937 AAR boxcars





On May 29, 2010, at 3:15 PM, Brian J Carlson wrote:

I'm prepping for future projects I have CNW boxcar 84250 from IM
and am
looking to see what needs to change. Looking at the photos in the
October
1996 RMJ on the bottom of page 11, I can't tell from the grainy
photo if the
trucks are ACF A-3's Ride Control, they look to be, but I am not
certain.
Does anyone have a better photo of CNW series 82652-84250 (even
No's only)
to tell for certain. The article also states 300 cars got Apex Tri-
lok roof
walks and 500 got Gypsum, but it does say how these were
distributed. First
300 got Apex, last 500 Gypsum? Thanks.
Brian, I have an in-service shot of 82928 which shows ASF A-3s, Apex
running boards, "Route of the 400 Fleet" stenciling, if that's any help.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: CNW Modified 1937 AAR boxcars

Richard Hendrickson
 

On May 29, 2010, at 3:15 PM, Brian J Carlson wrote:

I'm prepping for future projects I have CNW boxcar 84250 from IM
and am
looking to see what needs to change. Looking at the photos in the
October
1996 RMJ on the bottom of page 11, I can't tell from the grainy
photo if the
trucks are ACF A-3's Ride Control, they look to be, but I am not
certain.
Does anyone have a better photo of CNW series 82652-84250 (even
No's only)
to tell for certain. The article also states 300 cars got Apex Tri-
lok roof
walks and 500 got Gypsum, but it does say how these were
distributed. First
300 got Apex, last 500 Gypsum? Thanks.
Brian, I have an in-service shot of 82928 which shows ASF A-3s, Apex
running boards, "Route of the 400 Fleet" stenciling, if that's any help.

Richard Hendrickson


CNW Modified 1937 AAR boxcars

Brian Carlson
 

I'm prepping for future projects I have CNW boxcar 84250 from IM and am
looking to see what needs to change. Looking at the photos in the October
1996 RMJ on the bottom of page 11, I can't tell from the grainy photo if the
trucks are ACF A-3's Ride Control, they look to be, but I am not certain.
Does anyone have a better photo of CNW series 82652-84250 (even No's only)
to tell for certain. The article also states 300 cars got Apex Tri-lok roof
walks and 500 got Gypsum, but it does say how these were distributed. First
300 got Apex, last 500 Gypsum? Thanks.

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
prrk41361@...


Re: IC 40' box car decal

Staffan Ehnbom <staffan.ehnbom@...>
 

Thanks Fred, Rich and Tim. We have received a couple of threads to pursue.

Staffan Ehnbom

----- Original Message -----
From: Rich C
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 12:46 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] IC 40' box car decal



Maybe Jerry Glow would be interested? He does some great looking accurate sets.

Rich Christie

--- On Fri, 5/28/10, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] IC 40' box car decal
To: STMFC@...
Date: Friday, May 28, 2010, 5:23 PM



Staffan, the Illinois Central (steam era) has really gotten the
short end of the stick decal-wise, even while Dan Kohlberg has
produced a boatload of beautiful IC/ICG decals for the post-STMFC
era. Even CDS, and Mark Vaughan, ignored the IC. I sent a copy of
a beautiful photo of IC 20223 (stenciled for automobile engine
loading and a "return empty to" stencil) to Intermountain in the
hope they would produce a model of the IC "1940" AAR box cars but
no luck there either. I agree with you about the shortcomings of
Champ HB-150 but that's just about all there is...

Tim O'Connor

At 5/28/2010 03:40 PM Friday, you wrote:
>Where can I find lettering for an HO 40' IC box car like the 18629 in the photo on p. 22 of the RP Cyc 4? The Champ set no. HB-150 seems a bit oversized judging by the Champ Lettering Plan Book. Thanks in advance,
>
>Staffan Ehnbom

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Re: Car Builder ques.

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

Al,

        thank you for the info. Sounds like a very interesting research project.

Fred Freitas




________________________________
From: al_brown03 <abrown@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sat, May 29, 2010 1:34:36 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Car Builder ques.

 
Did a little googling after my previous post, & found more.

The "Railway Car Builders of North America" site says Summers operated in Pittsburgh from 1909-1915, and goes on to say "Cars built by Standard Steel Car Company."

From "The Iron Age" for 24 July 1913, p 210:
"The Summers Steel Car Company, Oliver Building, Pittsburgh, is delivering 100 all-steel 100,000-lb box cars of its own design to the Bessemer & Lake Erie Railroad for hauling Portland cement. The cars are equipped with Summers balanced side-bearing trucks."

In TS CYC 35 (reprinted from the 1919 CBC), pp 252-253, are a photo and drawings of B&LE 90001, a most distinctive car. Since the B&LE's 1930s "PS-0" boxcars were numbered from 90101, I suspect the Summers cars were 90001-90100, though they were gone by 1/43 (date of my older ORER).

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@..., "Panhandle Division 1953" <prrinvt@...> wrote:

List, do any of our learned friends know what Summers Car Co. produced in the early 1900's ? Don't recall ever hearing about this company; no doubt bought out by a larger concern. T I A

Fred Freitas



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Re: Armored Payroll Car?

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

Bob,

          I would doubt the title of the print. Now, if it said milk car, no problem.

Fred Freitas




________________________________
From: Bob C <thecitrusbelt@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sat, May 29, 2010 2:16:22 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Armored Payroll Car?

 
The image on this link is described as an "Armored Payroll Car":

http://www.waymarking.com/gallery/default.aspx?f=1&guid=be82959e-972a-40db-b48d-6f5c64ab61d1&gid=2

Were there such cars?

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, Ca




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Re: 40 ft gons Was PRR X-29's, NYC Lot 486 and then?

seaboard_1966
 

You missed the SAL 40ft lowside gon that was done by WrightTRAK. Denis Blake Marysville, OH
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Brian J Carlson" <prrk41361@...>
Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 14:58:26
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: [STMFC] 40 ft gons Was PRR X-29's, NYC Lot 486 and then?

Hmm, quickly off the top of my head,

Bowser PRR GS (needs a little work for a fifties era layout but usable,

Accurail 40' Steel gon

p1k USRA drop bottom gon

Red Caboose and IM both had GS and USRA gons in the this range

The old Roundhouse C&O gon

The old Train Miniature/Walther kit (Not sure this had a prototype.)

The even older Tyco/et al low-side gon that can be kitbashed.

In resin sunshine did numerous 40 ft gons. Including PRR GS and GSH, C&O,
NYC, NKP/WLE, etc. see the 67.xx series of kits in the listing here.
http://www.sunshinekits.com/allkitslist.html Many of which can be done with
the Accurail car now.

Westerfield and F&C also have offerings.



Seems to me the 40 ft gon range is pretty well covered. Unless there is a
specific prototype you had in mind.



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

prrk41361@...



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
wabash2813
Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 2:13 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: PRR X-29's, NYC Lot 486 and then?





I forgot to mention my wish list item and that would be steel gons in the 40
foot range--not long mill gons that have been produced too frequently. Of
course, that brings up the same problem that Richard mentioned with the 40's
single sheath boxcars--lack of standardization for multiple roads. And the
folks in the model train manufacturer marketing department probably don't
get excited about these cars as they usually are rather nondescript compared
to house cars often with larger logos plus slogans.







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40 ft gons Was PRR X-29's, NYC Lot 486 and then?

Brian Carlson
 

Hmm, quickly off the top of my head,

Bowser PRR GS (needs a little work for a fifties era layout but usable,

Accurail 40' Steel gon

p1k USRA drop bottom gon

Red Caboose and IM both had GS and USRA gons in the this range

The old Roundhouse C&O gon

The old Train Miniature/Walther kit (Not sure this had a prototype.)

The even older Tyco/et al low-side gon that can be kitbashed.

In resin sunshine did numerous 40 ft gons. Including PRR GS and GSH, C&O,
NYC, NKP/WLE, etc. see the 67.xx series of kits in the listing here.
http://www.sunshinekits.com/allkitslist.html Many of which can be done with
the Accurail car now.

Westerfield and F&C also have offerings.



Seems to me the 40 ft gon range is pretty well covered. Unless there is a
specific prototype you had in mind.



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

prrk41361@...



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
wabash2813
Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 2:13 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: PRR X-29's, NYC Lot 486 and then?





I forgot to mention my wish list item and that would be steel gons in the 40
foot range--not long mill gons that have been produced too frequently. Of
course, that brings up the same problem that Richard mentioned with the 40's
single sheath boxcars--lack of standardization for multiple roads. And the
folks in the model train manufacturer marketing department probably don't
get excited about these cars as they usually are rather nondescript compared
to house cars often with larger logos plus slogans.


HO injection mold candidates

ed_mines
 

How about a Pratt trussed single sheathed box car a la B&M and Seaboard?

It could be a stand in for at least half a dozen more cars and shake the box, steam era modelers would want at least one. My guess is maybe one single sheathed car in 6 or 8 had these Pratt trusses so they weren't that uncommon.

If a manufacturer had the capability of switching ends and roofs they could come up with at least half a dozen prototypically correct cars.

Ed Mines


Armored Payroll Car?

Bob C <thecitrusbelt@...>
 

The image on this link is described as an "Armored Payroll Car":

http://www.waymarking.com/gallery/default.aspx?f=1&guid=be82959e-972a-40db-b48d-6f5c64ab61d1&gid=2

Were there such cars?

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, Ca


Re: PRR X-29's, NYC Lot 486 and then?

reporterllc
 

I forgot to mention my wish list item and that would be steel gons in the 40 foot range--not long mill gons that have been produced too frequently. Of course, that brings up the same problem that Richard mentioned with the 40's single sheath boxcars--lack of standardization for multiple roads. And the folks in the model train manufacturer marketing department probably don't get excited about these cars as they usually are rather nondescript compared to house cars often with larger logos plus slogans.

Victor Baird
Fort Wayne, Indiana


Re: PRR X-29's, NYC Lot 486 and then?

reporterllc
 

--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:

In my opinion, what us steam and transition era modelers need most
right now are single sheathed 40' box cars.
I can't agree more.

--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:
Demographics are against us; to be blunt, many of us who model the steam era are geezers whose numbers dwindle significantly every year. The majority of modelers of every age tend to model what they remember from their childhood and adolescence, so there's an inevitable shift in emphasis away from the steam era toward more recent periods of railroad history.

I am not an old geezer (born in 1957) and I model the early 1950's and know a number of other baby boomers that model the steam or transition era that never saw it in person though we remember the "covered wagons", geeps, interlocking towers, passenger trains, etc. 20 years after that. And steam programs have enthused many modelers into the romance of steam. The better, affordable plastic steam out there with sound has changed some younger folks' modeling tastes too. IMO, modeling is sometimes like graduating from rock and roll to jazz and classical music in the later years of your life when you began to appreciate the finer points. As to modeling what I grew up with in my adolescence, I wouldn't model Penn Central if you paid me.

Victor Baird
Fort Wayne, Indiana


Re: Car Builder ques.

al_brown03
 

Did a little googling after my previous post, & found more.

The "Railway Car Builders of North America" site says Summers operated in Pittsburgh from 1909-1915, and goes on to say "Cars built by Standard Steel Car Company."

From "The Iron Age" for 24 July 1913, p 210:
"The Summers Steel Car Company, Oliver Building, Pittsburgh, is delivering 100 all-steel 100,000-lb box cars of its own design to the Bessemer & Lake Erie Railroad for hauling Portland cement. The cars are equipped with Summers balanced side-bearing trucks."

In TS CYC 35 (reprinted from the 1919 CBC), pp 252-253, are a photo and drawings of B&LE 90001, a most distinctive car. Since the B&LE's 1930s "PS-0" boxcars were numbered from 90101, I suspect the Summers cars were 90001-90100, though they were gone by 1/43 (date of my older ORER).

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@..., "Panhandle Division 1953" <prrinvt@...> wrote:

List, do any of our learned friends know what Summers Car Co. produced in the early 1900's ? Don't recall ever hearing about this company; no doubt bought out by a larger concern. T I A

Fred Freitas


Re: Car Builder ques.

al_brown03
 

Summers Steel Car Co held some patents, dunno for what, under which Standard Steel Car built ore cars around 1910. See Westerfield kit #11300 (a work of art).

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@..., "Panhandle Division 1953" <prrinvt@...> wrote:

List, do any of our learned friends know what Summers Car Co. produced in the early 1900's ? Don't recall ever hearing about this company; no doubt bought out by a larger concern. T I A

Fred Freitas


Car Builder ques.

Panhandle Division 1953 <prrinvt@...>
 

List, do any of our learned friends know what Summers Car Co. produced in the early 1900's ? Don't recall ever hearing about this company; no doubt bought out by a larger concern. T I A

Fred Freitas


Re: IC 40' box car decal

jerryglow2
 

I am! I wanted an IC car for myself anyway. Send me any (good) pics on info you have. OFF LIST of course.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., Rich C <rhcdmc@...> wrote:

Maybe Jerry Glow would be interested? He does some great looking accurate sets.
 
Rich Christie

--- On Fri, 5/28/10, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] IC 40' box car decal
To: STMFC@...
Date: Friday, May 28, 2010, 5:23 PM


 




Staffan, the Illinois Central (steam era) has really gotten the
short end of the stick decal-wise, even while Dan Kohlberg has
produced a boatload of beautiful IC/ICG decals for the post-STMFC
era. Even CDS, and Mark Vaughan, ignored the IC. I sent a copy of
a beautiful photo of IC 20223 (stenciled for automobile engine
loading and a "return empty to" stencil) to Intermountain in the
hope they would produce a model of the IC "1940" AAR box cars but
no luck there either. I agree with you about the shortcomings of
Champ HB-150 but that's just about all there is...

Tim O'Connor

At 5/28/2010 03:40 PM Friday, you wrote:
Where can I find lettering for an HO 40' IC box car like the 18629 in the photo on p. 22 of the RP Cyc 4? The Champ set no. HB-150 seems a bit oversized judging by the Champ Lettering Plan Book. Thanks in advance,

Staffan Ehnbom










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First 37 bound volumes of Trains Magazine

Andy Carlson
 

On behalf of Terry Wegmann and me, I wish to thank Mike Brock for his permission to post this message.

Terry Wegmann lives in a smallish apartment, and he does incredible work there within that little area. After years of enjoying his collection of Trains Magazines, he wishes to gain some really needed space.

Terry would like to sell his collection of the first 37 years of Trains Magazine, all bound in book style of binding in yearly volumes. The premier issue was published in 1940, and it is included in the 1st volume. All years are included, with no gaps; 1940-1977.

Terry would like to get $40.00/volume, and he does not want to break up the collection. He wishes to sell it all as one. Figure on $50.00 for UPS freight, which, if we are lucky, will travel by train.

The collection is in very fine condition and better. Terry is not on the net, so contact me if interested off-list (please) or at 805 646 3334.
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

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