Date   

Grain Capacity

Viv Brice
 

There's something screwy in your density calculations, Ed. According to
<http://www.simetric.co.uk/si_materials.htm>
www.simetric.co.uk/si_materials.htm, the density of Grain - Wheat is about
780 to 800 kilograms per cubic metre, which translates to around 50 lbs per
cubic foot. Thus a 100000 lb capacity box car would reach capacity at about
two thirds full (around 2000 cubic feet).
Regards, Viv Brice


Re: Use of Bromine

al_brown03
 

I'll go look up its industrial use, by Monday if not sooner. (I'll try for tomorrow but I tend to get interrupted.)

Al Brown (chemist), Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@..., RichRamik <richramik@...> wrote:

Not being a chemist, what is bromine used for and in what industry(ies)?

Thanks,
Rich Ramik


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Use of Bromine

RichRamik <richramik@...>
 

Not being a chemist, what is bromine used for and in what industry(ies)?

Thanks,
Rich Ramik


Re: Interesting Box Cars, but no models? Part 1

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Aley, Jeff A wrote:
Mike,
The UP B-50-17 is a rebuild, but it’s not a USRA rebuild, and it was
produced as a resin kit by Sunshine (masters by Ted Culotta).
And also done in brass IIRC.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Terry Wegmann PFE R-30-16 conversion sets

rwitt_2000
 

Andy Carlson wrote:

Many will remember the special run Terry Wegmann made 7 years ago of
R-30-16 conversion sets, made to change a Red Caboose R-30-12 into the
steel roofed rebuild class of R-30-16s, a very large class of PFE
reefers. According to Terry, in the post WWll era, this was the most
numerous class of reefers on the PFE roster.

Briefly, Terry machined his R-30-18 steel roof to fit the RC body. He
also machined the RC wooden ends to fit the roof profile. These parts
are included in the set, including steel hatch covers, styrene strip for
the end fascia, pre-bent wire roof grabs, molded styrene Bettendorf
cross-bearers (to replace the poorly executed ones from the RC kit) and
a R-30-18 wood running board (injection molded styrene).

I have been out of these for about 2 years, until this morning when I
uncovered an overlooked one dozen of these sets.

I am offering these, the last ones available (Terry has stated that he
will not make anymore), for $16.00 each. Shipping is $1.80 in a padded
envelope.

I also have 2 of the latest run of RC undec kits as the donor cars for
this conversion.
I will sell these for $32.00, shipping postpaid, with a conversion set
included. I have only 2 of these.

If interested, contact me off-list at midcentury@...

I accept PayPal, personal checks, and money orders. Thanks Mike, and
to all of you out there,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
According to the announcement from IRC they state:

"HO PFE WOOD REFRIGERATOR CAR

Terry Wegman has made parts available to us to produce two
versions and several paint schemes with his PFE Wood
Refrigerator Car. These are unique cars from the transition era
produced using parts that will generate very highly detailed,
accurate models. Don't miss this great opportunity to enhance your PFE
fleet."


Regards,

Bob Witt


Re: Interesting Box Cars, but no models? Part 1

Brian Carlson
 

Yeah, BUT it was a Private Stock kit I have never seen offered by Martin at Naperville's since I have been coming nor at any other shows. It was done in 2005 and I really want one.
 
Brian Carlson

--- On Thu, 5/20/10, Aley, Jeff A <Jeff.A.Aley@...> wrote:


From: Aley, Jeff A <Jeff.A.Aley@...>
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Interesting Box Cars, but no models? Part 1
To: "STMFC@..." <STMFC@...>
Date: Thursday, May 20, 2010, 4:33 PM


 



Mike,

The UP B-50-17 is a rebuild, but it’s not a USRA rebuild, and it was produced as a resin kit by Sunshine (masters by Ted Culotta).

Regards,

-Jeff


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Mike Aufderheide
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 9:05 AM
To: Steam Freight Car
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Interesting Box Cars, but no models? Part 1



Elden,

In addition to the cars you mention, I noticed as I went through the 1050 ORER several others. The list below are those cars that I could not find evidence of being modeled (not brass) based on my limited knowledge and library. These cars are only from the most numerous box/auto cars of a particular road. Any corrections are welcome.


Road
Quantity
Type
Class
Length
Const.
Door
IH
Type
Model
Number Series

ACL
2,466
auto
O-16A to C
40'
steel, reblt
14' double
10'-4"

none
55000

CO
1,924
box

40'
steel
6'
8'-7"
Sim to '23 AAR
None
8000, 254400, 258000, 282000

CNW
1,486
box

40'
ss
6'
10'-0"
reblt from auto cars
None
63000, 74900

CNW
1,009
box

40'
steel
6'
8'-7"
USRA Clone/Rebuid
None
60000

ERIE
2,639
box

40'
steel
6'
8'-6" -8'-8"
23 ARA
none?
70000, 71000, 72505, 75000, 75500, 84000

IC
1,472
box

50'
steel
6'
10'4"
steel
None
32000, 33000

IC
1,292
auto

40'
steel
14'-0"to14'-1"
10'-6"to10'-8"
steel
None
35500, 36000, 37000

MILW
1,136
auto

40'
ss
12'
10'-7"
ss w/raised roof
none
595489, 597000

MILW
968
box

40'
ss?
6'
10'-0"

none
718000, 718500

MP
1,697
box

40'
ss
6'
10'-0"
ss
None
42000, 43000, 44500

NW
2,479
box
B-5
40'
steel
6'
10'-4"
steel
None
43000, 48000, 49500

NCStL
1,193
box

36'
steel
6'
9'-10"
steel, rebuilt
None
20000

NYC
2,973
auto

40'
steel
12'-0"
10'-4" & 6"
1916 ds rebuild
None
56400, 57100, 60000, 63000, 63150, 63350, 68000, 79652, 83575, 197000, 208000

NYC
2,486
auto

40'
steel
10'
9'-4"

None
147000

PRR
2,299
auto
X38
50'
steel
14'-6"
10'-8"
steel
None
58100, 73699

SEA
2,925
vent
V-9
40'
ds
6'
7'-6"
ds
None
28000, 79000, 89000

UP
2,282
box
B-50-17
40'
steel
6'
9'-4"
USRA ds rebuild
None?
180000

WAB
1,975
auto

40'
ss
12'
10'-3"

None?
17000. 44119, 48000, 49000, 49100, 49200, 49350. 49451,49627, 49652, 49700, 148001...

The top of my most-wanted list would be the Seaboard vented boxcars. These were still the most numerous cars on that road in 1950 and I constantly see them in photographs.

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide



--- On Wed, 5/19/10, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...<mailto:elden.j.gatwood%40usace.army.mil>> wrote:

From: Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...<mailto:elden.j.gatwood%40usace.army.mil>>
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Interesting Box Cars, but no models? Part 1
To: STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 6:33 AM



All;

I have been re-reading many of the landmark articles on box cars that Ed
Hawkins, Richard Hendrickson, Rich Burg, Jim Eager and others wrote for the
mags in the late 80's and 90's, and was wondering why some of these
interesting box cars have not been produced in model, much less RTR form.

Beginning with the 50-foot single sheathed cars (Rich Burg article - RMJ Nov
'89), there are very appealing cars that MILW, Bamberger, CB&Q, GN, NP, MP
(later AC&Y), and RI owned. I am aware of the Westerfield GN car, but does
anyone make any of the others in HO? Given these were around for a long time
(into the 60's at least), and were such significant cars, and also given the
numerous oddballs one finds in resin form, I am surprised I haven't seen
these more numerous and important cars in HO.

Elden Gatwood













[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: Interesting Box Cars, but no models? Part 1

Michael Aufderheide
 

Jeff,
 
Thanks!  One less to worry over.
 
Mike Aufderheide

--- On Thu, 5/20/10, Aley, Jeff A <Jeff.A.Aley@...> wrote:


From: Aley, Jeff A <Jeff.A.Aley@...>
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Interesting Box Cars, but no models? Part 1
To: "STMFC@..." <STMFC@...>
Date: Thursday, May 20, 2010, 3:33 PM


 



Mike,

The UP B-50-17 is a rebuild, but it’s not a USRA rebuild, and it was produced as a resin kit by Sunshine (masters by Ted Culotta).

Regards,

-Jeff


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Mike Aufderheide
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 9:05 AM
To: Steam Freight Car
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Interesting Box Cars, but no models? Part 1



Elden,

In addition to the cars you mention, I noticed as I went through the 1050 ORER several others. The list below are those cars that I could not find evidence of being modeled (not brass) based on my limited knowledge and library. These cars are only from the most numerous box/auto cars of a particular road. Any corrections are welcome.


Road
Quantity
Type
Class
Length
Const.
Door
IH
Type
Model
Number Series

ACL
2,466
auto
O-16A to C
40'
steel, reblt
14' double
10'-4"

none
55000

CO
1,924
box

40'
steel
6'
8'-7"
Sim to '23 AAR
None
8000, 254400, 258000, 282000

CNW
1,486
box

40'
ss
6'
10'-0"
reblt from auto cars
None
63000, 74900

CNW
1,009
box

40'
steel
6'
8'-7"
USRA Clone/Rebuid
None
60000

ERIE
2,639
box

40'
steel
6'
8'-6" -8'-8"
23 ARA
none?
70000, 71000, 72505, 75000, 75500, 84000

IC
1,472
box

50'
steel
6'
10'4"
steel
None
32000, 33000

IC
1,292
auto

40'
steel
14'-0"to14'-1"
10'-6"to10'-8"
steel
None
35500, 36000, 37000

MILW
1,136
auto

40'
ss
12'
10'-7"
ss w/raised roof
none
595489, 597000

MILW
968
box

40'
ss?
6'
10'-0"

none
718000, 718500

MP
1,697
box

40'
ss
6'
10'-0"
ss
None
42000, 43000, 44500

NW
2,479
box
B-5
40'
steel
6'
10'-4"
steel
None
43000, 48000, 49500

NCStL
1,193
box

36'
steel
6'
9'-10"
steel, rebuilt
None
20000

NYC
2,973
auto

40'
steel
12'-0"
10'-4" & 6"
1916 ds rebuild
None
56400, 57100, 60000, 63000, 63150, 63350, 68000, 79652, 83575, 197000, 208000

NYC
2,486
auto

40'
steel
10'
9'-4"

None
147000

PRR
2,299
auto
X38
50'
steel
14'-6"
10'-8"
steel
None
58100, 73699

SEA
2,925
vent
V-9
40'
ds
6'
7'-6"
ds
None
28000, 79000, 89000

UP
2,282
box
B-50-17
40'
steel
6'
9'-4"
USRA ds rebuild
None?
180000

WAB
1,975
auto

40'
ss
12'
10'-3"

None?
17000. 44119, 48000, 49000, 49100, 49200, 49350. 49451,49627, 49652, 49700, 148001...

The top of my most-wanted list would be the Seaboard vented boxcars. These were still the most numerous cars on that road in 1950 and I constantly see them in photographs.

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide



--- On Wed, 5/19/10, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...<mailto:elden.j.gatwood%40usace.army.mil>> wrote:

From: Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...<mailto:elden.j.gatwood%40usace.army.mil>>
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Interesting Box Cars, but no models? Part 1
To: STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 6:33 AM



All;

I have been re-reading many of the landmark articles on box cars that Ed
Hawkins, Richard Hendrickson, Rich Burg, Jim Eager and others wrote for the
mags in the late 80's and 90's, and was wondering why some of these
interesting box cars have not been produced in model, much less RTR form.

Beginning with the 50-foot single sheathed cars (Rich Burg article - RMJ Nov
'89), there are very appealing cars that MILW, Bamberger, CB&Q, GN, NP, MP
(later AC&Y), and RI owned. I am aware of the Westerfield GN car, but does
anyone make any of the others in HO? Given these were around for a long time
(into the 60's at least), and were such significant cars, and also given the
numerous oddballs one finds in resin form, I am surprised I haven't seen
these more numerous and important cars in HO.

Elden Gatwood

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: Interesting Box Cars, but no models? Part 1

Aley, Jeff A
 

Mike,

The UP B-50-17 is a rebuild, but it’s not a USRA rebuild, and it was produced as a resin kit by Sunshine (masters by Ted Culotta).

Regards,

-Jeff


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Mike Aufderheide
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 9:05 AM
To: Steam Freight Car
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Interesting Box Cars, but no models? Part 1



Elden,

In addition to the cars you mention, I noticed as I went through the 1050 ORER several others. The list below are those cars that I could not find evidence of being modeled (not brass) based on my limited knowledge and library. These cars are only from the most numerous box/auto cars of a particular road. Any corrections are welcome.


Road
Quantity
Type
Class
Length
Const.
Door
IH
Type
Model
Number Series

ACL
2,466
auto
O-16A to C
40'
steel, reblt
14' double
10'-4"

none
55000

CO
1,924
box

40'
steel
6'
8'-7"
Sim to '23 AAR
None
8000, 254400, 258000, 282000

CNW
1,486
box

40'
ss
6'
10'-0"
reblt from auto cars
None
63000, 74900

CNW
1,009
box

40'
steel
6'
8'-7"
USRA Clone/Rebuid
None
60000

ERIE
2,639
box

40'
steel
6'
8'-6" -8'-8"
23 ARA
none?
70000, 71000, 72505, 75000, 75500, 84000

IC
1,472
box

50'
steel
6'
10'4"
steel
None
32000, 33000

IC
1,292
auto

40'
steel
14'-0"to14'-1"
10'-6"to10'-8"
steel
None
35500, 36000, 37000

MILW
1,136
auto

40'
ss
12'
10'-7"
ss w/raised roof
none
595489, 597000

MILW
968
box

40'
ss?
6'
10'-0"

none
718000, 718500

MP
1,697
box

40'
ss
6'
10'-0"
ss
None
42000, 43000, 44500

NW
2,479
box
B-5
40'
steel
6'
10'-4"
steel
None
43000, 48000, 49500

NCStL
1,193
box

36'
steel
6'
9'-10"
steel, rebuilt
None
20000

NYC
2,973
auto

40'
steel
12'-0"
10'-4" & 6"
1916 ds rebuild
None
56400, 57100, 60000, 63000, 63150, 63350, 68000, 79652, 83575, 197000, 208000

NYC
2,486
auto

40'
steel
10'
9'-4"

None
147000

PRR
2,299
auto
X38
50'
steel
14'-6"
10'-8"
steel
None
58100, 73699

SEA
2,925
vent
V-9
40'
ds
6'
7'-6"
ds
None
28000, 79000, 89000

UP
2,282
box
B-50-17
40'
steel
6'
9'-4"
USRA ds rebuild
None?
180000

WAB
1,975
auto

40'
ss
12'
10'-3"

None?
17000. 44119, 48000, 49000, 49100, 49200, 49350. 49451,49627, 49652, 49700, 148001...

The top of my most-wanted list would be the Seaboard vented boxcars. These were still the most numerous cars on that road in 1950 and I constantly see them in photographs.

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide



--- On Wed, 5/19/10, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...<mailto:elden.j.gatwood%40usace.army.mil>> wrote:

From: Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...<mailto:elden.j.gatwood%40usace.army.mil>>
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Interesting Box Cars, but no models? Part 1
To: STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 6:33 AM



All;

I have been re-reading many of the landmark articles on box cars that Ed
Hawkins, Richard Hendrickson, Rich Burg, Jim Eager and others wrote for the
mags in the late 80's and 90's, and was wondering why some of these
interesting box cars have not been produced in model, much less RTR form.

Beginning with the 50-foot single sheathed cars (Rich Burg article - RMJ Nov
'89), there are very appealing cars that MILW, Bamberger, CB&Q, GN, NP, MP
(later AC&Y), and RI owned. I am aware of the Westerfield GN car, but does
anyone make any of the others in HO? Given these were around for a long time
(into the 60's at least), and were such significant cars, and also given the
numerous oddballs one finds in resin form, I am surprised I haven't seen
these more numerous and important cars in HO.

Elden Gatwood


Re: Terry Wegmann PFE R-30-16 conversion sets

Bruce Smith
 

Bruce Smith offers this clarification:

The Wegman/RC kitbash models an R-30-12-16. The R-30-12-16s
were rebuilt from R-30-12 cars, to R-30-12-9 specs so the RC R-30-12-9
(or R-30-9) is the appropriate raw material as it yelids the correct
height body. R-30-13-12s were also used for R-30-16 conversions so
for
the more adventurous, the R-30-13-16 variant can be modeled with the
RC
R-30-9 body, the Wegman roof and either a Wegman (R-30-18) or Tichy
underbody (R-40-2/4) . If you have a Wegman R-30-18 kit, you can use
the leftover RC underbody to model the R-30-12-18, instead of the
R-30-13-18, which that kit models.
To which Tom Madden replies:
Maybe I'll just stick with steel PFE reefers....
Tom,

That's BORING <VBG>. What is so much fun for me is the ability to show
the evolution of PFE design from the R-30-12/13 to the all wood
R-30-12/13-9, to the metal roofed R-30-12/13-16 to the metal roof and
ends on the R-30-12/13-18, while showing the presence of 2 differenent
underbodies (-12, -13) throughout that progression!

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


Re: Terry Wegmann PFE R-30-16 conversion sets

pullmanboss <tcmadden@...>
 

Bruce Smith offers this clarification:

The Wegman/RC kitbash models an R-30-12-16. The R-30-12-16s
were rebuilt from R-30-12 cars, to R-30-12-9 specs so the RC R-30-12-9
(or R-30-9) is the appropriate raw material as it yelids the correct
height body. R-30-13-12s were also used for R-30-16 conversions so for
the more adventurous, the R-30-13-16 variant can be modeled with the RC
R-30-9 body, the Wegman roof and either a Wegman (R-30-18) or Tichy
underbody (R-40-2/4) . If you have a Wegman R-30-18 kit, you can use
the leftover RC underbody to model the R-30-12-18, instead of the
R-30-13-18, which that kit models.
Maybe I'll just stick with steel PFE reefers.....

Tom Madden


Re: Interesting Box Cars, but no models? Part 1

Michael Aufderheide
 

Elden,
 
In addition to the cars you mention, I noticed as I went through the 1050 ORER several others.  The list below are those cars that I could not find evidence of being modeled (not brass) based on my limited knowledge and library.  These cars are only from the most numerous box/auto cars of a particular road.  Any corrections are welcome.
 















Road
Quantity
Type
Class
Length
Const.
Door
IH
Type
Model
Number Series















ACL
2,466
auto
O-16A to C
40'
steel, reblt
14' double
10'-4"
 
none
55000















CO
1,924
box
 
40'
steel
6'
8'-7"
Sim to '23 AAR
None
8000, 254400, 258000, 282000














CNW
1,486
box
 
40'
ss
6'
10'-0"
reblt from auto cars
None
63000, 74900














CNW
1,009
box

40'
steel
6'
8'-7"
USRA Clone/Rebuid
None
60000














ERIE
2,639
box
 
40'
steel
6'
8'-6" -8'-8"
23 ARA
none?
70000, 71000, 72505, 75000, 75500, 84000














IC
1,472
box
 
50'
steel 
6'
10'4" 
steel
None
32000, 33000














IC
1,292
auto
 
40'
steel
14'-0"to14'-1"
10'-6"to10'-8"
steel
None
35500, 36000, 37000














MILW
1,136
auto
 
40'
ss
12'
10'-7"
ss w/raised roof
none  
595489, 597000














MILW
968
box
 
40'
ss?
6'
10'-0"
 
none
718000, 718500














MP
1,697
box
 
40'
ss
6'
10'-0"
ss
None
42000, 43000, 44500














NW
2,479
box
B-5
40'
steel
6'
10'-4"
steel
None
43000, 48000, 49500














NCStL
1,193
box

36'
steel
6'
9'-10"
steel, rebuilt
None
20000














NYC
2,973
auto
 
40'
steel
12'-0"
10'-4" & 6"
1916 ds rebuild
None
56400, 57100, 60000, 63000, 63150, 63350, 68000, 79652, 83575, 197000, 208000














NYC
2,486
auto
 
40'
steel
10'
9'-4"
 
None
147000














PRR
2,299
auto
X38
50'
steel
14'-6"
10'-8"
steel 
None
58100, 73699














SEA
2,925
vent
V-9
40'
ds
6'
7'-6"
ds
None
28000, 79000, 89000














UP
2,282
box
B-50-17
40'
steel
6'
9'-4"
USRA ds rebuild
None?
180000














WAB
1,975
auto
 
40'
ss
12'
10'-3"
 
None?
17000. 44119, 48000, 49000, 49100, 49200, 49350. 49451,49627, 49652, 49700, 148001...

The top of my most-wanted list would be the Seaboard vented boxcars.  These were still the most numerous cars on that road in 1950 and I constantly see them in photographs.
 
Regards,
 
Mike Aufderheide

--- On Wed, 5/19/10, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:


From: Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...>
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Interesting Box Cars, but no models? Part 1
To: STMFC@...
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 6:33 AM


 



All;

I have been re-reading many of the landmark articles on box cars that Ed
Hawkins, Richard Hendrickson, Rich Burg, Jim Eager and others wrote for the
mags in the late 80's and 90's, and was wondering why some of these
interesting box cars have not been produced in model, much less RTR form.

Beginning with the 50-foot single sheathed cars (Rich Burg article - RMJ Nov
'89), there are very appealing cars that MILW, Bamberger, CB&Q, GN, NP, MP
(later AC&Y), and RI owned. I am aware of the Westerfield GN car, but does
anyone make any of the others in HO? Given these were around for a long time
(into the 60's at least), and were such significant cars, and also given the
numerous oddballs one finds in resin form, I am surprised I haven't seen
these more numerous and important cars in HO.

Elden Gatwood











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Re: Grain capy

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

I tried to resist responding to this but the flesh is weak.

Grain doors nailed all the way to the top of the doors would trap inside the car the guy who nailed them up. Besides, how could the car be loaded?

That said, after World War Two the M&StL was buying box cars with a 10'-0" inside height when many other railroads were buying 10'-6" IH box cars.

As was mentioned in another message, there were lines stenciled on the box car sides showing the level to fill the car with various grains.

In the M&StL's cars (and no doubt those of many other railroads) wheat was the lowest line. About 4 inches above that was the line for corn, rye and flax. The barley line was 7 or 8 inches above the corn-rye-flax line. The line for oats was very near the top of the car's side. That suggests to me that the M&StL bought all those 10'-0" IH box cars with grain hauling in mind.

Gene Green

--- In STMFC@..., Skip Luke <salty4568@...> wrote:

The grain doors nailed inside the car door can't extend all the way up, anyway. Load could only be
up to about two feet below the door top.

Skip Luke


Re: new F&C kits & new B&O flat

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

All;

For the first time since the PRRT&HS convention, I got to sit down and open
up some of my new purchases.

I had picked up several new Funaro & Camerlengo kits; the PRR H25, the H33,
the GLE, and the new X26C with diagonal panel roof.

I have always been really intimidated by resin hopper kits. The fact that
everything is exposed, the complicated slopes and numerous mating surfaces.
Well, the H25 was a real surprise. It has a very nice one-piece body, onto
which you tack all the remaining parts. The rivets are very fine, the ribs
all look like the real thing. The H33 covered hopper is also very nice.
They even did the proper rendition of the Z-angle ribs! The GLE is of the
same caliber. The new X26C is also very nice, and the one-piece body is
great. You just sand the underframe to fit, add some weight, and pop into
place. You should consider these new kits. They also offer 2 for 1 deals at
meets.

I also opened up my new IM B&O P-31 bulkhead flat. It looks just like the
real thing. Jim Mischke provided IM the plans for the bulkheads, so it is
accurate for the B&O. I am not sure about any others as far as bulkheads go.
The P-31's were converted over in 1956 or so, and were intended, I believe,
for wallboard service, but I also saw them loaded with steel sheets banded
and placed on top of wooden dunnage. The deck and wooden bulkhead pieces are
a bit thick, but you can correct that pretty easily by prying them loose and
sanding them down. You have another accurate car for your fleet.

Elden Gatwood


Re: Terry Wegmann PFE R-30-16 conversion sets

Bruce Smith
 

"Tim O'Connor" <timboconnor@...> 05/19/10 7:48 PM >>>
Tom, that's right. I think people just forget that Red Caboose actually
made two different PFE reefers, the R-30-12 and the R-30-9 rebuilds
(that
were originally tagged R-30-12-9).

Tim O'Connor

Tim, folks,

Absolutely! The Wegman/RC kitbash models an R-30-12-16. The R-30-12-16s
were rebuilt from R-30-12 cars, to R-30-12-9 specs so the RC R-30-12-9
(or R-30-9) is the appropriate raw material as it yelids the correct
height body. R-30-13-12s were also used for R-30-16 conversions so for
the more adventurous, the R-30-13-16 variant can be modeled with the RC
R-30-9 body, the Wegman roof and either a Wegman (R-30-18) or Tichy
underbody (R-40-2/4) . If you have a Wegman R-30-18 kit, you can use
the leftover RC underbody to model the R-30-12-18, instead of the
R-30-13-18, which that kit models.

God, I LOVE PFE reefer classes!!

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


Re: Terry Wegmann PFE R-30-16 conversion sets

Bill Welch
 

Hi Jerry

I like your model. I did mine using a special order Champ set of UP heralds with the red and white stripes reversed. There is a photo of one of these in the PFE book and I have since seen a second photo of a car with this herald variation, one of the 47' cars as I recall. This was when Champ was doing custom Alps versions from their art work. Some others on this list participated in this order.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., jerryglow@... wrote:

The model, completed when Terry first started doing them:
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/modeling/PFE_74492R-A_end.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/modeling/PFE_74492R-B_end.jpg

Jerry Glow
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals.html

--- In STMFC@..., Andy Carlson <midcentury@> wrote:

Many will remember the special run Terry Wegmann made 7 years ago of R-30-16 conversion sets, made to change a Red Caboose R-30-12 into the steel roofed rebuild class of R-30-16s, a very large class of PFE reefers. According to Terry, in the post WWll era, this was the most numerous class of reefers on the PFE roster.

Briefly, Terry machined his R-30-18 steel roof to fit the RC body. He also machined the RC wooden ends to fit the roof profile. These parts are included in the set, including steel hatch covers, styrene strip for the end fascia, pre-bent wire roof grabs, molded styrene Bettendorf cross-bearers (to replace the poorly executed ones from the RC kit) and a R-30-18 wood running board (injection molded styrene).

I have been out of these for about 2 years, until this morning when I uncovered an overlooked one dozen of these sets.

I am offering these, the last ones available (Terry has stated that he will not make anymore), for $16.00 each. Shipping is $1.80 in a padded envelope.

I also have 2 of the latest run of RC undec kits as the donor cars for this conversion.
I will sell these for $32.00, shipping postpaid, with a conversion set included. I have only 2 of these.

If interested, contact me off-list at <midcentury@>

I accept PayPal, personal checks, and money orders. Thanks Mike, and to all of you out there,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA




Re: Terry Wegmann PFE R-30-16 conversion sets

Andy Carlson
 

Tom, you are right. The R-30-12 is too low in height. Thanks for pointing out my mistake.

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA





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From: pullmanboss <tcmadden@q.com>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wed, May 19, 2010 5:22:28 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Terry Wegmann PFE R-30-16 conversion sets


Andy Carlson wrote:

Many will remember the special run Terry Wegmann made 7 years ago of R-30-16 conversion sets, made to change a Red Caboose R-30-12 into the steel roofed rebuild class of R-30-16s, a very large class of PFE reefers.
Hmmmm. My R-30-16 kit from Terry says it's "For R-30-9 (Red Caboose #4250)".

Tom Madden




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Re: Terry Wegmann PFE R-30-16 conversion sets

Tim O'Connor
 

Tom, that's right. I think people just forget that Red Caboose actually
made two different PFE reefers, the R-30-12 and the R-30-9 rebuilds (that
were originally tagged R-30-12-9).

Tim O'Connor

Andy Carlson wrote:

Many will remember the special run Terry Wegmann made 7 years ago of R-30-16 conversion sets, made to change a Red Caboose R-30-12 into the steel roofed rebuild class of R-30-16s, a very large class of PFE reefers.
Hmmmm. My R-30-16 kit from Terry says it's "For R-30-9 (Red Caboose #4250)".

Tom Madden


Re: Terry Wegmann PFE R-30-16 conversion sets

pullmanboss <tcmadden@...>
 

Andy Carlson wrote:

Many will remember the special run Terry Wegmann made 7 years ago of R-30-16 conversion sets, made to change a Red Caboose R-30-12 into the steel roofed rebuild class of R-30-16s, a very large class of PFE reefers.
Hmmmm. My R-30-16 kit from Terry says it's "For R-30-9 (Red Caboose #4250)".

Tom Madden


Wegmann R-30-16 conversion sets are sold out

Andy Carlson
 

Thanks, they are all spoken for.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: Terry Wegmann PFE R-30-16 conversion sets

jerryglow2
 

--- In STMFC@..., Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:

Many will remember the special run Terry Wegmann made 7 years ago of R-30-16 conversion sets, made to change a Red Caboose R-30-12 into the steel roofed rebuild class of R-30-16s, a very large class of PFE reefers. According to Terry, in the post WWll era, this was the most numerous class of reefers on the PFE roster.

Briefly, Terry machined his R-30-18 steel roof to fit the RC body. He also machined the RC wooden ends to fit the roof profile. These parts are included in the set, including steel hatch covers, styrene strip for the end fascia, pre-bent wire roof grabs, molded styrene Bettendorf cross-bearers (to replace the poorly executed ones from the RC kit) and a R-30-18 wood running board (injection molded styrene).

I have been out of these for about 2 years, until this morning when I uncovered an overlooked one dozen of these sets.

I am offering these, the last ones available (Terry has stated that he will not make anymore), for $16.00 each. Shipping is $1.80 in a padded envelope.

I also have 2 of the latest run of RC undec kits as the donor cars for this conversion.
I will sell these for $32.00, shipping postpaid, with a conversion set included. I have only 2 of these.

If interested, contact me off-list at <midcentury@...>

I accept PayPal, personal checks, and money orders. Thanks Mike, and to all of you out there,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA



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