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Re: SAL XM-1 Boxcar (B4)

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

Gene--

I'd go with "I" not being a good choice for a descriptor as being confused with "1" or the Roman Numeral "I", and perhaps a Westinghouse part or assembly "J" was in use already? Westinghouse also had plants worldwide producing air brake components that may have used these descriptors--they had a busy time competing with the vacuum brake systems in use in the UK.

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., "Gene" <bierglaeser@...> wrote:


BTW, the brake that preceded K was the H brake. Does anyone know what happened to "I" and "J?"

Gene Green


ADMIN: Re: Thomas

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Well...given that Thomas is definitely not a steam era frt car, and it is out of scope, I think we've had enough such messages. Therefore, messages about Thomas are now terminated.

Mike Brock

STMFC Owner


Thomas

Paul Catapano
 

I'm sure most of you have heard this, but Thomas is know to museum's as
"Thomas the BANK engine"

Paul Catapano


Re: SAL XM-1 Boxcar (B4)

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

I do not know anything about the subject car but I do know a bit about brakes, both hand and air. (Preceding sentence typed with all the modesty I could muster.)

IF the subject car was originally equipped with K brakes, either KC or KD, and IF a photo can be located showing the location of the K brake, then one knows where to put the AB brake cylinder. Right exactly where the K brake cylinder was bolted on.

I know. Too many IFs.

I am sure everyone on this list knows that the AB brakes were designed so that no changes were required in the foundation brake gear when converting from K to AB.

BTW, the brake that preceded K was the H brake. Does anyone know what happened to "I" and "J?"

Gene Green


Re: AC&F NWX Refrigerators

golden1014
 

Thanks Tom. I'll check and see if I have the issue. John

--- In STMFC@..., "pullmanboss" <tcmadden@...> wrote:

John -

Ted's ESSENTIAL FREIGHT CARS article on these cars in the April 2006 issue of RMC shows a vertical staff hand brake and K brakes.

Tom Madden

--- In STMFC@..., John Golden <golden1014@> wrote:

Gentlemen,
 
I could use a hand to finish my Branchline NWX refrigerator car model.  I model 1950 and am modeling a late 40s gray NWX car.  What is the appropriate brake gear type?  I've checked the Culotta book, RPC, and a few other references with no luck.  Thanks in advance for your assistance.
 
John

John Golden
Bloomington, IN

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Re: Accurail steel reefers

Peter Ness
 

Bill (or anyone else),

Do you know if the plug door version is also based on a PC&F prototype?
I'm not sufficiently astute to tell from the graphics what the plug door
width is or if this would be a suitable standing point for the
1953-built New Haven "State of Maine" Class XIH cars.

Regards,

Peter Ness

--- In STMFC@..., Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

The hinged or swing door example from Accurail appears to be an
accurate representation of one group of 250 cars (WFEX 68400-68640)
built for WFE by Pacific Car & Foundry in 1949 characterized by the
hinges more or less shaped like a "home plate," double rows of
rivets, and 7' 6" doors. The door height will make this a problematic
kit to rework to represent other post-1948 FGE/WFE/BRE/NX cars. I
will buy one undec. to carve and sculpt a WFE model. The model
appears to lack the fan drive mechanism representations which will be
easy to add. I will be curious to see what brake wheel they do,
generic or actual.

The center sill step appears accurate for the WFE hinged door model
but is not accurate for any FGE/WFE/BRE/NX sliding door reefer. Aside
from this easy fix, this appears to a good representation of most of
the FGE/WFE/BRE/NX sliding door fleet. There were some variations of
the improved Dreadnaught end within the sliding door cars. Again
there is no fan mechanism represented.

As I already have several Sunshine kits to do the sliding door cars,
I will probably buy only one undec. of this model to carve and sculpt
and rework the sill to model a FGE 1949 PC&F steel rebuild of a wood-
sheathed car (FGEX 59900-59999).

I have sent a PDF to Mike B. of a large table I have created of the
FGE/WFE/BRE/NX steel reefer fleet.

Bill Welch


Re: AC&F NWX Refrigerators

pullmanboss <tcmadden@...>
 

John -

Ted's ESSENTIAL FREIGHT CARS article on these cars in the April 2006 issue of RMC shows a vertical staff hand brake and K brakes.

Tom Madden

--- In STMFC@..., John Golden <golden1014@...> wrote:

Gentlemen,
 
I could use a hand to finish my Branchline NWX refrigerator car model.  I model 1950 and am modeling a late 40s gray NWX car.  What is the appropriate brake gear type?  I've checked the Culotta book, RPC, and a few other references with no luck.  Thanks in advance for your assistance.
 
John

John Golden
Bloomington, IN

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AC&F NWX Refrigerators

golden1014
 

Gentlemen,
 
I could use a hand to finish my Branchline NWX refrigerator car model.  I model 1950 and am modeling a late 40s gray NWX car.  What is the appropriate brake gear type?  I've checked the Culotta book, RPC, and a few other references with no luck.  Thanks in advance for your assistance.
 
John

John Golden
Bloomington, IN

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Re: SAL XM-1 Boxcar (B4)

golden1014
 

Bill,

Ed and Richard are correct that the SAL cars were equipped with two crossbearers on each side, one under each side of the door frame. I have a bad drawing of the cars that shows the frame but does not show the brake gear attachment, which is really the problem. I'd appreciate a photo of your car when it's complete so I can see how you solved in the installation.

If it means anything, the B-4 was a 40-ton car, and the B-5--which used only the single heavy crossbearer--was a 50-ton car. You would think the application of the bearers would be reversed.

John Golden
Bloomington, IN

--- In STMFC@..., wdarnaby@... wrote:

I am assembling a Sunshine SAL XM-1 box, kit 91.9 and it would seem that the UF is incorrect.  The SAL used a non-standard fish-belly UF which the model does have.  However, it is cast with a pair of cross-bearers, one under each door post, which prevents the brake cylinder from lining up with the lever slot in the UF.  In fact, if one were modeling the KC brake version it would be impossible to mount the combined cylinder and reservoir.  The photos in the instructions and those in RP Cyc #18 are muddy and dark in this area.  But if one squints closely as the photos it appears that there is only one cross-bearer centered centered under the door.  This would make sense as there are some sill rivets under the door that would otherwise do nothing and this arrangement would allow mounting of the brake cylinder, especially the KC.  Anybody have better photos that show this or other evidence?
 
Thanks,
Bill Darnaby

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Re: Thomas (was Bachmann Announcements at the NMRA 2010 Train Show)

Tim O'Connor
 

Rich

My dad started me on wooden trains (snap together track, just like Brio)
in 1958 and then built me an HO layout for Christmas in 1960 with Athearn
and Revell trains -- and I was seriously hooked. At age 7. When we moved
the next year from California to NJ we bought a house next door to a family
with 3 boys, and their Dad had built them a large HO layout in the basement
with trains and a built-in slot car highway! A friend up the street had
several brass models his Dad had brought back from Japan. There was no
getting away from it in those days! :-)

Tim O'Connor

My grandson (6) is nuts about Thomas, and that has morphed into being nuts
about trains per se. I'm stepping him up to a very large Lionel layout in
my basement, and eventually the real thing. I firmly believe that Thomas
might be the salvation of the next generation of railfans and probably
modelers too.
Rich Burg


Re: New file uploaded to STMFC

George Frey <orangetrainman33@...>
 

The requested file or directory is not found on the server. this is what comes
up when i click on the link you gave
 George Frey                                                       




________________________________
From: "STMFC@..." <STMFC@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sat, July 17, 2010 8:50:48 PM
Subject: [STMFC] New file uploaded to STMFC

 

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the STMFC
group.

File : /FGE_WFE_BRE_NX Steel cars tables.eml
Uploaded by : mb8444 <brockm@...>
Description : FGE/WFE/BRE/NX steel reefer fleet

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files/FGE_WFE_BRE_NX%20Steel%20cars%20tables.eml


To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/forms/general.htmlfiles

Regards,

mb8444 <brockm@...>








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New file uploaded to STMFC

STMFC@...
 

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the STMFC
group.

File : /FGE_WFE_BRE_NX Steel cars tables.eml
Uploaded by : mb8444 <brockm@...>
Description : FGE/WFE/BRE/NX steel reefer fleet

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files/FGE_WFE_BRE_NX%20Steel%20cars%20tables.eml

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/forms/general.htmlfiles

Regards,

mb8444 <brockm@...>


Re: Rapido Trains' freight model announcement at National Train Show?

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jul 17, 2010, at 7:54 PM, rockroll50401 wrote:

Bill told me they were coming out with a freight car and we'd like
it. That's all I could get out of him about their product line.
They are coming out with a freight car, Clark, and you (especially)
will like it. But if I told you what it was, I'd have to kill you,
and that's probably a bad idea for both of us.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Rapido Trains' freight model announcement at National Train Show?

Clark Propst
 

Bill told me they were coming out with a freight car and we'd like it. That's all I could get out of him about their product line.
Clark Propst


Re: Rapido Trains' freight model announcement at National Train Show?

Sigpress <thompson@...>
 

Bill Schneider told me that the announcement had to be pushed back to get other projects done. Stay tuned.
Tony Thompson

Sent from my iPod

On Jul 17, 2010, at 7:03 PM, "Steve Lucas" <stevelucas3@...> wrote:

Rapido has mentioned that a major announcement regarding their product will be made at the NTS. Can someone attending tell us what that announcement is? If it is STMFC-related, of course...

Thanks in advance,

Steve Lucas.



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Rapido Trains' freight model announcement at National Train Show?

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

Rapido has mentioned that a major announcement regarding their product will be made at the NTS. Can someone attending tell us what that announcement is? If it is STMFC-related, of course...

Thanks in advance,

Steve Lucas.


DOWX Nickel-lined tank cars

octoraro1948 <octoraro1@...>
 

Is there any information about two Dow nickel-lined 8,000 gallon acid tank cars (ICC-103-A)numbered in a 1938 ORER as NC8343 and NC8344; and appearing in a 1948 ORER as NC38201 and NC 38202?

Lou Whiteley
Lawrenceville, NJ


Re: Magazine Index Going to NMRA

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

Does this, then mean the NMRA website is more secure than Kalmbach's?
Curious.

Jerry Michels

I believe it will be restructured with volunteer help.

--
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Thomas (was Bachmann Announcements at the NMRA 2010 Train Show)

cinderandeight@...
 

My grandson (6) is nuts about Thomas, and that has morphed into being nuts
about trains per se. I'm stepping him up to a very large Lionel layout in
my basement, and eventually the real thing. I firmly believe that Thomas
might be the salvation of the next generation of railfans and probably
modelers too.
Rich Burg


Re: SAL XM-1 Boxcar (B4)

Ed Hawkins
 

On Jul 17, 2010, at 4:45 PM, wdarnaby@... wrote:

I am assembling a Sunshine SAL XM-1 box, kit 91.9 and it would seem
that the UF is incorrect.  The SAL used a non-standard fish-belly UF
which the model does have.  However, it is cast with a pair of
cross-bearers, one under each door post, which prevents the brake
cylinder from lining up with the lever slot in the UF.  In fact, if
one were modeling the KC brake version it would be impossible to mount
the combined cylinder and reservoir.  The photos in the instructions
and those in RP Cyc #18 are muddy and dark in this area.  But if one
squints closely as the photos it appears that there is only one
cross-bearer centered centered under the door.  This would make sense
as there are some sill rivets under the door that would otherwise do
nothing and this arrangement would allow mounting of the brake
cylinder, especially the KC.  Anybody have better photos that show
this or other evidence?
Bill,
I've examined original photos of these cars, and the bright sunlight
that accents the sides tends to hide underframe detail in dark shadow.

There were Seaboard class B-4 and class B-5 cars, and from what I can
tell by looking at photos there were variations in the underframes
depending on the class. The B-4 cars had a pair of crossbearers located
at the door posts. An in-service photo of Seaboard of 13577 (available
from Bob's Photo but not published in the RP CYC article) probably
shows the underframe best although the underbody is still quite dark.
On the B-5 cars, there were no crossbearers at the door posts, but
rather a single crossbearer at the center of the door. The photo of
15747 on page 48 RP CYC Vol. 18 illustrates this best.

Perhaps a Seaboard expert will come to my rescue if I've misconstrued
this. By the way, I hope the hyphen police will cut me some slack for
using hyphens because sometimes Seaboard used hyphens and sometimes
not. :>)
Regards,
Ed Hawkins



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