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Re: Tank Car Dome Valve Positions

Ed Hawkins
 

On May 6, 2010, at 12:04 PM, octoraro1948 wrote:

ailway Prototype Cyclopedia Volume 3 has several photos of Type 27
tank cars. Some show cars with valves in addition to the safety valves
on the dome, such as Dow Chemical's. I purchased a copy of the Bill of
Materials for Lot 1479 and 1480 that lists these valves. The cars have
the usual two safety valves for cars exceeding 6,650 gallon capacity.
The BOM also lists a relief valve, a 1" air inlet valve, and a 2"
siphon valve.

Ed Kaminski's book includes photos of some of these valve assemblies,
but the diagrams in the book do not illustrate the position of the
extra valves.

If the two safety valves are roughly at 11 o'clock and 1 o'clock,
what are the relative positions of the other three valves -- pressure
relief valve, air inlet valve, and siphon valve? From the photos'
perspective, it looks like the largest valve (2" siphon?) is at 6
o'clock and a smaller one (1" air inlet?) is at about 5 o'clock.
Lou,
There's an ACF drawing in the Museum of Transportation Collection of a
dome & outlet arrangement that applies to lot numbers 1478, 1479, and
1480. The drawing number is 3145109, dated 2/26/36. Contact me off list
if you are interested in obtaining a copy of the drawing, which is
roughly 18" x 24" in overall size.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Tank Car Dome Valve Positions

octoraro1948 <octoraro1@...>
 

Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Volume 3 has several photos of Type 27 tank cars. Some show cars with valves in addition to the safety valves on the dome, such as Dow Chemical's. I purchased a copy of the Bill of Materials for Lot 1479 and 1480 that lists these valves. The cars have the usual two safety valves for cars exceeding 6,650 gallon capacity. The BOM also lists a relief valve, a 1" air inlet valve, and a 2" siphon valve.

Ed Kaminski's book includes photos of some of these valve assemblies, but the diagrams in the book do not illustrate the position of the extra valves.

If the two safety valves are roughly at 11 o'clock and 1 o'clock, what are the relative positions of the other three valves -- pressure relief valve, air inlet valve, and siphon valve? From the photos' perspective, it looks like the largest valve (2" siphon?) is at 6 o'clock and a smaller one (1" air inlet?) is at about 5 o'clock.

Thank you.
Lou Whiteley
Lawrenceville, NJ


Reading XMw Duryea underframe

octoraro1948 <octoraro1@...>
 

Sunshine's Universal Duryea underframe kit includes both open and solid crossbearers. The instructions indicate that the open ones were "early" and the solid ones came later. Built in 1946, would Reading's XMw boxcars have had the solid crossbearers?

The Reading cars had 8-foot doors. Were the inner crossbearers under the door posts?

I just purchased a photo from Rich Burg of an XMwa taken from a low angle, but the underbody is in shadow and I can't see these details.

Thank you.
Lou Whiteley
Lawrenceville, NJ


Conoco Tankcars

SHAY STARK
 

I have been researching Conoco tankcars to determine which paint scheme would be most prevalent in 1950. In looking at a picture in Teds tankcar book I noticed that in the background there is a car that is silver with either black or green lettering. I say green because I have found narrow gauge tankcars that are noted as having green lettering. I have seen a few pictures of black tank cars with both the large white Conoco letering on the side and others with the red triangle logo on the side. Unfortunately the pictures I have found don't seem to have dates on them. I was told that the two AFC type 21 Conoco tankcars that ended up on the Heber Valley Railroad did not have evidence of either logo on the sides.

My question is which paint scheme would be most prevalent in 1950? Would that paintscheme be found on the AFC type 21 tankcars? As a follow up question who makes decals for the paint scheme? I have looked at Champ but they don't have Conoco decals listed on there website. A search of Microscale was not productive either.

Thanks

Shay Stark


Re: Branchline 40' steel CMO (C&NW) boxcar 39092

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

Well...I held off on attaching the roof, but now have some doors to take off and replace with Superior 7-panel doors. As I had a look at my copy of Sept., 1990 MM, page 26. Uh-oh, the photo doesn't lie!! Oh, well, here we go again...That'll teach me to trust the parts in the kit.

Thanks to everyone who replied, and so quickly, too!

All the best,

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Also those particular ACF-built CMO cars had 7 panel Superior doors.
There's a builder photo of 39092 in Mainline Modeler, Sept 1990.

Tim O'Connor


Steve,
The Murphy rectangular raised panel roof is correct for this car.
1. Per a listing on www.steamfreightcars.com titled "1944 AAR 40' Box Car, 10'4" - 10'6" IH, 4-4 Improved Dreadnaught End," CMO 38300-39098 had Murphy (straight) raised panel roofs.
2. The table in Ed Hawkins' article "40-Foot AAR 50-Ton Boxcars with 4/4 Improved Dreadnaught Ends Part 1" in RailModel Journal of Oct 99 shows Murphy rectangular panel roofs for CMO 38300-39098.
Two authoritative sources confirm that the CMO series of your model had the rectangular raised panel roof that Branchline provided, so you're good!
Dave Sieber, Reno NV

--- In STMFC@..., "Steve Lucas" <stevelucas3@> wrote:

I'm putting one of these together, and the kit comes with a raised-panel roof.

Is this roof correct for this 1948-built car, or should it be fitted with a SRECO diagonal panel roof instead?

Thanks in advance,

Steve Lucas.


Re: company shops

Al and Patricia Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Richard - Thanks. Between all the respondents I have enough data to complete some decals for a future project. - Al

----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Hendrickson
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] company shops



On May 5, 2010, at 8:07 PM, Al and Patricia Westerfield wrote:

> I'm trying to find the shops for Ahnapee & Western and Kewaunee,
> Green Bay and Western and the initials for the reweighs there.
> Anyone? - Al Westerfield
>
Al, I have two photos of KGB box cars and both have NOR reweigh
initials.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: company shops

Al and Patricia Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Al - Thanks for the info; that will help a lot. - Al Westerfield

----- Original Message -----
From: al_brown03
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 11:07 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: company shops



In Mailer's "Green Bay & Western," p 345, is a photo of reefer AW 3004 in 9/50. Its reweigh data are CASCO 10-48. Casco Jct, Wisconsin, was a terminus of Ahnapee & Western's line and its junction with KGB&W. (Both roads were GB&W subsidiaries.) Casco town was also on the Ah&W. The book doesn't say where either subsidiary had shops.

In MM 8/91, pp 74-76, is an article on GB&W rolling stock, also by Mailer. Two KGB cars (*) have legible reweigh locations, both GB (Green Bay, on the parent GB&W). The termini of KGB were at Green Bay and Kewaunee, and KGB was operated as an extension of GB&W (unlike Ah&W, which ran as an independent shortline).

-- hth --

-- Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

(*) Yes, for real, the reporting mark is KGB.

--- In STMFC@..., "Al and Patricia Westerfield" <westerfield@...> wrote:
>
> I'm trying to find the shops for Ahnapee & Western and Kewaunee, Green Bay and Western and the initials for the reweighs there. Anyone? - Al Westerfield
>
>
>


Re: company shops

Al and Patricia Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Steve - Thanks. I knew that but wondered if the subsidiaries might have local shops that reweighed. - Al

----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Sandifer
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] company shops



Greenbay and Western's main yard was the Norwood yard in Greenbay, thus the NOR reweigh.

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Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX
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----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Hendrickson
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] company shops

On May 5, 2010, at 8:07 PM, Al and Patricia Westerfield wrote:

> I'm trying to find the shops for Ahnapee & Western and Kewaunee,
> Green Bay and Western and the initials for the reweighs there.
> Anyone? - Al Westerfield
>
Al, I have two photos of KGB box cars and both have NOR reweigh
initials.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Branchline 40' steel CMO (C&NW) boxcar 39092

jerryglow2
 

For those modeling the old fashioned way (assembly and painting kits) I have decals for several CNW and CMO cars. See the decal link off my home page:
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., "ealabhan0" <ealabhan0@...> wrote:

Steve,
The Murphy rectangular raised panel roof is correct for this car.
1. Per a listing on www.steamfreightcars.com titled "1944 AAR 40' Box Car, 10'4" - 10'6" IH, 4-4 Improved Dreadnaught End," CMO 38300-39098 had Murphy (straight) raised panel roofs.
2. The table in Ed Hawkins' article "40-Foot AAR 50-Ton Boxcars with 4/4 Improved Dreadnaught Ends Part 1" in RailModel Journal of Oct 99 shows Murphy rectangular panel roofs for CMO 38300-39098.
Two authoritative sources confirm that the CMO series of your model had the rectangular raised panel roof that Branchline provided, so you're good!
Dave Sieber, Reno NV

--- In STMFC@..., "Steve Lucas" <stevelucas3@> wrote:

I'm putting one of these together, and the kit comes with a raised-panel roof.

Is this roof correct for this 1948-built car, or should it be fitted with a SRECO diagonal panel roof instead?

Thanks in advance,

Steve Lucas.


Re: company shops

Steve SANDIFER
 

Greenbay and Western's main yard was the Norwood yard in Greenbay, thus the NOR reweigh.

----------------------------------------------------------------
J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer
mailto:steve.sandifer@...
Home: 12027 Mulholland Dr., Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918
Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX
77025, 713-667-9417
Personal: http://www.geocities.com/stevesandifer2000/index
Church: http://www.swcentral.org

----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Hendrickson
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] company shops



On May 5, 2010, at 8:07 PM, Al and Patricia Westerfield wrote:

> I'm trying to find the shops for Ahnapee & Western and Kewaunee,
> Green Bay and Western and the initials for the reweighs there.
> Anyone? - Al Westerfield
>
Al, I have two photos of KGB box cars and both have NOR reweigh
initials.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Branchline 40' steel CMO (C&NW) boxcar 39092

Tim O'Connor
 

Also those particular ACF-built CMO cars had 7 panel Superior doors.
There's a builder photo of 39092 in Mainline Modeler, Sept 1990.

Tim O'Connor

Steve,
The Murphy rectangular raised panel roof is correct for this car.
1. Per a listing on www.steamfreightcars.com titled "1944 AAR 40' Box Car, 10'4" - 10'6" IH, 4-4 Improved Dreadnaught End," CMO 38300-39098 had Murphy (straight) raised panel roofs.
2. The table in Ed Hawkins' article "40-Foot AAR 50-Ton Boxcars with 4/4 Improved Dreadnaught Ends Part 1" in RailModel Journal of Oct 99 shows Murphy rectangular panel roofs for CMO 38300-39098.
Two authoritative sources confirm that the CMO series of your model had the rectangular raised panel roof that Branchline provided, so you're good!
Dave Sieber, Reno NV

--- In STMFC@..., "Steve Lucas" <stevelucas3@...> wrote:

I'm putting one of these together, and the kit comes with a raised-panel roof.

Is this roof correct for this 1948-built car, or should it be fitted with a SRECO diagonal panel roof instead?

Thanks in advance,

Steve Lucas.


Re: company shops

Richard Hendrickson
 

On May 5, 2010, at 8:07 PM, Al and Patricia Westerfield wrote:

I'm trying to find the shops for Ahnapee & Western and Kewaunee,
Green Bay and Western and the initials for the reweighs there.
Anyone? - Al Westerfield
Al, I have two photos of KGB box cars and both have NOR reweigh
initials.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Branchline 40' steel CMO (C&NW) boxcar 39092

David Sieber
 

Steve,
The Murphy rectangular raised panel roof is correct for this car.
1. Per a listing on www.steamfreightcars.com titled "1944 AAR 40' Box Car, 10'4" - 10'6" IH, 4-4 Improved Dreadnaught End," CMO 38300-39098 had Murphy (straight) raised panel roofs.
2. The table in Ed Hawkins' article "40-Foot AAR 50-Ton Boxcars with 4/4 Improved Dreadnaught Ends Part 1" in RailModel Journal of Oct 99 shows Murphy rectangular panel roofs for CMO 38300-39098.
Two authoritative sources confirm that the CMO series of your model had the rectangular raised panel roof that Branchline provided, so you're good!
Dave Sieber, Reno NV

--- In STMFC@..., "Steve Lucas" <stevelucas3@...> wrote:

I'm putting one of these together, and the kit comes with a raised-panel roof.

Is this roof correct for this 1948-built car, or should it be fitted with a SRECO diagonal panel roof instead?

Thanks in advance,

Steve Lucas.


Re: Speedwitch Media

al_brown03
 

--- In STMFC@..., "gn3397" <heninger@...> wrote:
Whew! Good news.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.



Darrall (and Group),
I emailed Ted about the website, and he is aware of the issue and is working on it.

Sincerely,
Bob Heninger
Iowa City, IA

--- In STMFC@..., "doswift" <doswift@> wrote:

G'Day All,

I recently tried to access the website for Speedwitch Media, but the site is no longer available. Is Ted still in business?

Regards,

Darrall Swift
Colorado Springs, CO


Re: company shops

al_brown03
 

In Mailer's "Green Bay & Western," p 345, is a photo of reefer AW 3004 in 9/50. Its reweigh data are CASCO 10-48. Casco Jct, Wisconsin, was a terminus of Ahnapee & Western's line and its junction with KGB&W. (Both roads were GB&W subsidiaries.) Casco town was also on the Ah&W. The book doesn't say where either subsidiary had shops.

In MM 8/91, pp 74-76, is an article on GB&W rolling stock, also by Mailer. Two KGB cars (*) have legible reweigh locations, both GB (Green Bay, on the parent GB&W). The termini of KGB were at Green Bay and Kewaunee, and KGB was operated as an extension of GB&W (unlike Ah&W, which ran as an independent shortline).

-- hth --

-- Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

(*) Yes, for real, the reporting mark is KGB.

--- In STMFC@..., "Al and Patricia Westerfield" <westerfield@...> wrote:

I'm trying to find the shops for Ahnapee & Western and Kewaunee, Green Bay and Western and the initials for the reweighs there. Anyone? - Al Westerfield



Re: Speedwitch Media

gn3397 <heninger@...>
 

Darrall (and Group),
I emailed Ted about the website, and he is aware of the issue and is working on it.

Sincerely,
Bob Heninger
Iowa City, IA

--- In STMFC@..., "doswift" <doswift@...> wrote:

G'Day All,

I recently tried to access the website for Speedwitch Media, but the site is no longer available. Is Ted still in business?

Regards,

Darrall Swift
Colorado Springs, CO


Re: Branchline 40' steel CMO (C&NW) boxcar 39092

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Steve Lucas wrote:
I'm putting one of these together, and the kit comes with a raised- panel roof.
Is this roof correct for this 1948-built car, or should it be fitted with a SRECO diagonal panel roof instead?
The DPR pretty much came in during 1949, though it's always possible some were used prior to that.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


company shops

Al and Patricia Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

I'm trying to find the shops for Ahnapee & Western and Kewaunee, Green Bay and Western and the initials for the reweighs there. Anyone? - Al Westerfield


Speedwitch Media

bn2204
 

G'Day All,

I recently tried to access the website for Speedwitch Media, but the site is no longer available. Is Ted still in business?

Regards,

Darrall Swift
Colorado Springs, CO


Branchline 40' steel CMO (C&NW) boxcar 39092

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

I'm putting one of these together, and the kit comes with a raised-panel roof.

Is this roof correct for this 1948-built car, or should it be fitted with a SRECO diagonal panel roof instead?

Thanks in advance,

Steve Lucas.

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