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Re: PATCHING, and fine scale chain
Richard White
Steam era freight car discussion group. The time period covered will be from 1900-1960.On Fri, Jun 11 2010 at 4.52 am, Ken Montero wrote:
"Jared, Have you examined the Central Valley bridge kit for a 150 foot Pratt Truss pin-connected single track bridge? Central Valley makes both an HO and N scale kit for this bridge. Here is a link to its website: http://www.cvmw.com/ The HO kit has been around for a while. The N scale kit is new." I built the Central Valley 150 foot Pratt Truss bridge a few years ago. It makes up into a very nice model and isn't difficult although you do need to do a bit more than shake the box. I recommend it. It looks great with a ten-wheeler and a brace of cars on it. Richard White |
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Re: Digest Number 6294
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The PRR did not lease these cars until 1958. so unless they were in N&W paint you won't see them prior to that time.
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Rich Orr --- On Thu, 6/10/10, Don Valentine <riverman_vt@...> wrote:
From: Don Valentine <riverman_vt@...> Subject: Re: [STMFC] Digest Number 6294 To: "No Reply" <notify-dg-STMFC@...> Cc: STMFC@... Date: Thursday, June 10, 2010, 12:38 PM I note that BLI will also be offering another run of N&W H-2a hoppers this year. Try as I might, I cannot recall ever seeing a photo of one of the H-2a's in Northern New England in the 1945-1950 era. Were these cars strictly limited to the movement of tide coal or did some of them roam freely? Thanks for any assistance, Don Valentine ________________________________ From: "STMFC@..." <STMFC@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Tue, June 8, 2010 9:15:21 AM Subject: [STMFC] Digest Number 6294 Steam era freight car discussion group. The time period covered will be from 1900-1960. Messages In This Digest (25 Messages) 1a. Re: Champ decals--no longer available? From: Thomas Baker 1b. Re: Champ decals--no longer available? From: Steve Hoxie 2a. Re: decal finishing help From: Craig Zeni 3a. Unusual Perishables From: wohrnell@... 4a. Re: DL&W wood auto boxcars From: brianleppert@... 5a. Re: Strange boxcar ID From: rwitt_2000 5b. Re: Strange boxcar ID From: Richard Hendrickson 5c. Re: Strange boxcar ID From: Richard Hendrickson 6a. BLI NYC all-steel box cars From: Gene 6b. Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars From: Brian J Carlson 6c. Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars From: Tim O'Connor 6d. Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars From: pullmanboss 6e. Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars From: Tim O'Connor 6f. Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars From: barryb2again 6g. Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars From: gn3397 7a. so that's how they did it! From: Tim O'Connor 7b. Re: so that's how they did it! From: Barrybennetttoo@... 7c. Re: so that's how they did it! From: Gatwood, Elden J SAD 7d. Re: so that's how they did it! From: water.kresse@... 7e. Re: so that's how they did it! From: water.kresse@... 7f. Re: so that's how they did it! From: water.kresse@... 8a. Liquid chloride Tankcar help From: schmuck804_99 8b. Re: Liquid chloride Tankcar help From: Garth G. Groff 8c. Re: Liquid chloride Tankcar help From: Gatwood, Elden J SAD 8d. Re: Liquid chloride Tankcar help From: al_brown03 View All Topics | Create New Topic Messages 1a. Re: Champ decals--no longer available? Posted by: "Thomas Baker" bakert@... millcitieslimited Mon Jun 7, 2010 6:59 am (PDT) Yesterday I explored the CHAMP website, read the notice of the inventory, equipment, etc being up for sale. Nevertheless, the site listed various decals still available. Do the people at CHAMP still respond to orders? Tom Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (2) 1b. Re: Champ decals--no longer available? Posted by: "Steve Hoxie" stevehprr@... pennsylvania1954 Mon Jun 7, 2010 7:16 am (PDT) Tom--You can definitely still order from Champ, and they ship promptly. They prefer online ordering; note the comments on the site about when they are working. They try to keep the website current with actual inventory so if you don't see it, it's gone. Steve Hoxie Pensacola FL --- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, Thomas Baker <bakert@...> wrote: Yesterday I explored the CHAMP website, read the notice of the inventory,equipment, etc being up for sale. Nevertheless, the site listed various decals still available. Do the people at CHAMP still respond to orders? Tom Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (2) 2a. Re: decal finishing help Posted by: "Craig Zeni" clzeni@... sal3060 Mon Jun 7, 2010 7:11 am (PDT) The real answer to a good base finish is to use glossy paint in the first place. I use Scalecoat and Scalecoat II (for plastic) sprayed right from the bottle. It covers well and dries glossy. Dry time is a little long but the finish is worth it. Steve Kay --- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, "Brian J Carlson" <prrk41361@. ..> wrote: I've not been happy with my last few decaling projects with Testor's Glosscote. Lots of work with setting solutions and creative weathering have helped make them better but I am looking for other decal finishing options. I've used Glosscote for years originally from spray cans so any thoughts are appreciated. I've heard about Future from others anything special I should know. Spray right from bottle or dilute? Brian J. Carlson, P.E. Cheektowaga NY prrk41361@.. . I've also had good luck getting a decal-ready finish by mixing Floquil 50/50 with their Glaze. Sprays fine through a Paasche double action airbrush. Yes, also a bit slow to dry but like Steve says, the finish is worth it. But if I can get the color I need in it, I'm a Scalecoat painter. Craig Zeni Some mornings it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps. Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (24) 3a. Unusual Perishables Posted by: "wohrnell@..." wohrnell@... lenny64118 Mon Jun 7, 2010 7:56 am (PDT) Add roots to the list of Unusual Perishables. W.L. Ohrnell Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) 4a. Re: DL&W wood auto boxcars Posted by: "brianleppert@..." brianleppert@... brianleppert@... Mon Jun 7, 2010 8:08 am (PDT) I have an original Magor drawing of the underframe arrangement for the DL&W 12800-12999 cars. It is almost an exact copy of the USRA 40-ton box car underframe. Brian Leppert Carson City, NV --- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, "Ken" <kobrien1600@ ...> wrote: I'm looking for info and pictures about the wood door and a half auto boxcarsof the DL&W in series 12000 to 12999... Ken O'Brien Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) 5a. Re: Strange boxcar ID Posted by: "rwitt_2000" rwitt_2000@... rwitt_2000 Mon Jun 7, 2010 3:26 pm (PDT) Ford and Don, To my eyes both of the nominal 6-ft wide doors are still on the car. With that assumption, the car could be either a B&O class M-27B with the Tatum roof, which were rebuilt from the double door version of the M-27, the class M-27A or a M-27F that were re-built from M-27B's starting in 1939 with the second door permanently fixed closed. In 1947, the stated date of the photo, the B&O had 316 class M-27B's and 177 M-27F's on their roster. Take your pick the boxcar could be hauling automobiles or in general merchandise service. There are photos, one by Paul Dunn from the Rich Burg Collection of a M-27B, #295188 with re-weigh data of "COL 11-59" and one from the Jay Williams Collection of a M-27F #382013 with re-weigh data of "CE 10-39" of a very recent conversion at the Chillicothe, Ohio Car Shops with the second door permanently fixed closed. There were still 112 class M-27B operating in 1959, but by that time the Evans auto loaders were removed making them suitable for general service. Regards, Bob Witt P.S. What is strange to some is to others just the wonderful world of John Tatum's inventions ;-). Don Burn wrote: It is a Baltimore and Ohio M27F, there was an article in the March2001 RMC on how to model these and they were covered in Ted Cullota's Essential Freight Car series. See http://steamfreight cars.com/ modeling/ models/harr/ bo382281main. html fora nice model of one. Don Burn -----Original Message----- OfFrom: STMFC@yahoogroups. com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf ford35lh Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 2:28 PM To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com Subject: [STMFC] Strange boxcar ID Can anyone ID the boxcar in this ebay image ??? It has a strange roof configuration I have never seen. Drawings in print ??? Thanks ford ebay# 330439620059 Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (10) 5b. Re: Strange boxcar ID Posted by: "Richard Hendrickson" rhendrickson@... n1605g Mon Jun 7, 2010 4:00 pm (PDT) On Jun 7, 2010, at 3:26 PM, rwitt_2000 wrote: Ford and Don, To my eyes both of the nominal 6-ft wide doors are still on the car. With that assumption, the car could be either a B&O class M-27B with the Tatum roof, which were rebuilt from the double door version of the M-27, the class M-27A or a M-27F that were re-built from M-27B's starting in 1939 with the second door permanently fixed closed. In 1947, the stated date of the photo, the B&O had 316 class M-27B's and 177 M-27F's on their roster. Take your pick the boxcar could be hauling automobiles or in general merchandise service. There are photos, one by Paul Dunn from the Rich Burg Collection of a M-27B, #295188 with re-weigh data of "COL 11-59" and one from the Jay Williams Collection of a M-27F #382013 with re-weigh data of "CE 10-39" of a very recent conversion at the Chillicothe, Ohio Car Shops with the second door permanently fixed closed. There were still 112 class M-27B operating in 1959, but by that time the Evans auto loaders were removed making them suitable for general service. Other photos which I have and can provide to you in the form of scans, are a Red Davis shot of B&O 295456 in Nebraska with a recent 12-56 reweigh date and a 1940 Kansas City photo from the Joe Collias collection of a car with Chicago & Alton reporting marks and auto loader markings on the doors, numbered 295003. My 1940 ORER shows 10 C&A cars numbered 295001-295010, but apparently their tenure on the C&A was short, as they are not listed in the 10/41 ORER. The latter photo is an indifferent image from a very grainy 35 mm neg, but knowing Joe's darkroom work I'm sure the print I have is the best he could get. And at least it documents that those ten cars did exist, however briefly. Richard Hendrickson Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (10) 5c. Re: Strange boxcar ID Posted by: "Richard Hendrickson" rhendrickson@... n1605g Mon Jun 7, 2010 4:10 pm (PDT) On Jun 7, 2010, at 3:26 PM, rwitt_2000 wrote: There are photos, one by Paul Dunn from the Rich Burg Collection of a M-27B, #295188 with re-weigh data of "COL 11-59" and one from the Jay Williams Collection of a M-27F #382013 with re-weigh data of "CE 10-39" of a very recent conversion at the Chillicothe, Ohio Car Shops with the second door permanently fixed closed. Bob, it turns out that, after I sent my previous message, I discoverd another photo of a M-27F. This one is from the Bob Lorenz collection and shows B&O 295189 with a reweigh symbol and date of MC 10-36 and auto loaders markings on the main door. It's interesting that this car still had arch bar trucks at the time it was photographed. Richard Hendrickson Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (10) 6a. BLI NYC all-steel box cars Posted by: "Gene" bierglaeser@... bierglaeser Mon Jun 7, 2010 8:30 pm (PDT) Broadway Limited has announced NYC steel boxcars. Would anyone care to comment on their accuracy judging from the available advertising material? It appears these cars are intended to represent the NYC's 102500-106999, 107000-111999 and 121000-121999 number series as well as possibly other series. Will these be correct or close for these series? What about other series? The paint schemes are identified as pre- and post-1955. Are the "pre-1955" correct for 1950 and earlier? Here is a link: http://www.broadway -limited. com/nycsteelboxc ars.aspx Gene Green Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (7) 6b. Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars Posted by: "Brian J Carlson" prrk41361@... prrk41361 Mon Jun 7, 2010 9:12 pm (PDT) Gene these were discussed extensively on the list less than one month ago. search the archives for "NYC Spec 486 boxcars." (Also look for spec 468 since I see many of the subject lines of the emails I saved had the 8 and 6 transposed) Brian J. Carlson, P.E. Cheektowaga NY prrk41361@yahoo. com Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (7) 6c. Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars Posted by: "Tim O'Connor" timboconnor@... cf5250 Mon Jun 7, 2010 9:56 pm (PDT) As Brian said you can find the discussion from last month... I'll just say that my experience with BLI models is that they are good quality. I have a GACX express reefer and some H2a hoppers. The reefer is very well done. The question I have: are there decals/dry transfers out there to letter these cars correctly for NYC? Tim O'Connor Broadway Limited has announced NYC steel boxcars. Would anyone care to commenton their accuracy judging from the available advertising material? It appears these cars are intended to represent the NYC's 102500-106999,107000-111999 and 121000-121999 number series as well as possibly other series. Will these be correct or close for these series? What about other series? The paint schemes are identified as pre- and post-1955. Are the "pre-1955"correct for 1950 and earlier? Here is a link: http://www.broadway -limited. com/nycsteelboxc ars.aspx Gene Green Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (7) 6d. Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars Posted by: "pullmanboss" tcmadden@q.com pullmanboss Mon Jun 7, 2010 10:08 pm (PDT) Tim O'Connor asked: The question I have: are there decals/dry transfers out there to letter these cars correctly for NYC? See: http://www.speedwit ch.com/Decals/ d107.htm Tom Madden Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (7) 6e. Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars Posted by: "Tim O'Connor" timboconnor@... cf5250 Tue Jun 8, 2010 12:27 am (PDT) Thanks Tom, but I should have been more specific -- I meant decals for the mid to late 1950's. After a search through my catalogs and decals I've found nothing appropriate to model this car or cars like it: http://www.broadway -limited. com/images/ NYC%20105065% 20%28resized% 20for%20web% 29.jpg CDS and Mark Vaughan did sets for this style of repaint but only for postwar AAR (CDS) and prewar AAR (MV) -- so the data are in the correct style but are not for the much smaller spec 486 cars. And of course Ted is not interested in the later 50's (although he did a nice set for SP repaints). So it's factory paint for me! (Not my preference.) Tim O'Connor At 6/8/2010 01:08 AM Tuesday, you wrote: Tim O'Connor asked: The question I have: are there decals/dry transfers out there to letter these cars correctly for NYC? See: http://www.speedwit ch.com/Decals/ d107.htm Tom Madden Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (7) 6f. Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars Posted by: "barryb2again" Barrybennetttoo@... barryb2again Tue Jun 8, 2010 12:38 am (PDT) Having reviewed tha earlier posts and then read the BLI blurb I note that BLI have said that they will not be producing models with repair patches. Taking Richard Hendrickson' s manuscript comments that the cars suffered the same body rot problems as the X29 cars and that all of them received patch panel repairs then the BLI cars are not much use as produced for anyone that models the 1950's. So it looks like buy undecs, add patch panels and then paint and decal. Or maybe I will just build my store of Westerfield kits instead. Barry Bennett Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (7) 6g. Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars Posted by: "gn3397" heninger@... gn3397 Tue Jun 8, 2010 5:45 am (PDT) Tim (and Group), An alternative would be to supply Mr. Glow with a nice broadside photo or twelve, and ask him if he would be interested in generating the artwork. A set that includes the later 50s style of NYC lettering would be useful to many modelers, especially as a larger portion of the hobby moves to a post STMFC era for their modeling. Sincerely, Bob Heninger Iowa City, IA --- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@ ...> wrote: Thanks Tom, but I should have been more specific -- I meant decals for the mid to late 1950's. After a search through my catalogs and decals I've found nothing appropriate to model this car or cars like it: http://www.broadway -limited. com/images/ NYC%20105065% 20%28resized%20for%20web% 29.jpg CDS and Mark Vaughan did sets for this style of repaint but only for postwar AAR (CDS) and prewar AAR (MV) -- so the data are in the correct style but are not for the much smaller spec 486 cars. And of course Ted is not interested in the later 50's (although he did a nice set for SP repaints). So it's factory paint for me! (Not my preference.) Tim O'Connor Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (7) 7a. so that's how they did it! Posted by: "Tim O'Connor" timboconnor@... cf5250 Tue Jun 8, 2010 12:00 am (PDT) A loaded Nickel Plate 50' auto box car -- notice the cars do not have their wheels mounted! http://cgi.ebay. com/ws/eBayISAPI .dll?ViewItem& item=25064458955 1 Tim O'Connor Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (6) 7b. Re: so that's how they did it! Posted by: "Barrybennetttoo@..." Barrybennetttoo@... barryb2again Tue Jun 8, 2010 12:09 am (PDT) They don't appear to me to have anything much mounted, maybe just car bodies being shipped to an assembly plant. Barry Bennett In a message dated 08/06/2010 07:01:20 GMT Standard Time, timboconnor@ comcast.net writes: A loaded Nickel Plate 50' auto box car -- notice the cars do not have their wheels mounted! _http://cgi.ebay. com/ws/eBayISAPI .dll?ViewItem& item=25064458955 1_ (http://cgi.ebay. com/ws/eBayISAPI .dll?ViewItem& item=25064458955 1) Tim O'Connor Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (6) 7c. Re: so that's how they did it! Posted by: "Gatwood, Elden J SAD" elden.j.gatwood@... prr8112 Tue Jun 8, 2010 4:44 am (PDT) Also the only way they could get them in there in 2 layers. No axles, either? Elden Gatwood -----Original Message----- From: STMFC@yahoogroups. com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 2:25 AM To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com Subject: [STMFC] so that's how they did it! A loaded Nickel Plate 50' auto box car -- notice the cars do not have their wheels mounted! http://cgi.ebay. com/ws/eBayISAPI .dll?ViewItem& item=25064458955 1 Tim O'Connor Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (6) 7d. Re: so that's how they did it! Posted by: "water.kresse@..." water.kresse@... al.kresse Tue Jun 8, 2010 6:07 am (PDT) Guys, After WW2 the Auto Industry jobbed out a lot of the Station Wagon bodies to small contractors who had built auto-type assemblies for the war efforts. Ionia Mfg (Ionia, Michigan) produced extended Jeep bodies, truck box sub-assemblies with seats and canvass, etc. They then produced Buick Stn Wagon bodies that were shipped on their body trucks to Buick City in Flint, Michigan, to be dropped on running frame assemblies to then have the bolt-on front end sheet metal and bumpers added. I believe they produced other GM "Woody" Stn Wagon bodies also. Fisher Body Chevy produced their own wagon bodies. Great shot! Does anyone recognize the body style? Al Kresse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim O'Connor" <timboconnor@ comcast.net> To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2010 2:25:09 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [STMFC] so that's how they did it! A loaded Nickel Plate 50' auto box car -- notice the cars do not have their wheels mounted! http://cgi.ebay. com/ws/eBayISAPI .dll?ViewItem& item=25064458955 1 Tim O'Connor Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (6) 7e. Re: so that's how they did it! Posted by: "water.kresse@..." water.kresse@... al.kresse Tue Jun 8, 2010 6:08 am (PDT) It was frame and running chassis separate from the bodies in those days! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden J SAD Gatwood " < elden .j. gatwood @ usace .army.mil> To: STMFC @ yahoogroups .com Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2010 7:42:51 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [ STMFC ] so that's how they did it! Also the only way they could get them in there in 2 layers. No axles, either? Elden Gatwood -----Original Message----- From: STMFC @ yahoogroups .com [ mailto : STMFC @ yahoogroups .com] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 2:25 AM To: STMFC @ yahoogroups .com Subject: [ STMFC ] so that's how they did it! A loaded Nickel Plate 50' auto box car -- notice the cars do not have their wheels mounted! http :// cgi . ebay .com/ ws / eBayISAPI . dll ? ViewItem &item=250644589551 Tim O'Connor Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (6) 7f. Re: so that's how they did it! Posted by: "water.kresse@..." water.kresse@... al.kresse Tue Jun 8, 2010 6:15 am (PDT) Later on, in the early-60s, they would ship the wagon bodies mounted on their body trucks on double-deck flat cars. Once they got into the assembly plant, a chain drive would grab the body truck (mounted on casters) to the body marraige machine to be dropped on body mounts to be bolted on to the frame (just like a full-sized truck today). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden J SAD Gatwood" <elden.j.gatwood@ usace.army. mil> To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2010 7:42:51 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [STMFC] so that's how they did it! Also the only way they could get them in there in 2 layers. No axles, either? Elden Gatwood -----Original Message----- From: STMFC@yahoogroups. com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 2:25 AM To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com Subject: [STMFC] so that's how they did it! A loaded Nickel Plate 50' auto box car -- notice the cars do not have their wheels mounted! http://cgi.ebay. com/ws/eBayISAPI .dll?ViewItem& item=25064458955 1 Tim O'Connor Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (6) 8a. Liquid chloride Tankcar help Posted by: "schmuck804_99" CSchmuck@... schmuck804_99 Tue Jun 8, 2010 1:51 am (PDT) Hello, I am looking for information to model this tiny tankcar: http://picasaweb. google.com/ ErieChris333/ ProtoPhotos# 5480125587635072 754 I got DIAMOND ALKALI COMPANY Painesville, OH D.A.X. The tank dia. looks small, I guess it to be around 63" from the photo. Can you guys help, drawings would be a big plus! Thanks Chris Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) 8b. Re: Liquid chloride Tankcar help Posted by: "Garth G. Groff" ggg9y@... ggg9y Tue Jun 8, 2010 3:55 am (PDT) Chris and friends, Can't help with the tank car (neat, though!), but note the NP boxcar to the right. Can't have a freight train without an NP box in the first ten cars. Kind regards, Garth Groff schmuck804_99 wrote: Hello, I am looking for information to model this tiny tankcar: http://picasaweb. google.com/ ErieChris333/ ProtoPhotos# 5480125587635072 754 I got DIAMOND ALKALI COMPANY Painesville, OH D.A.X. The tank dia. looks small, I guess it to be around 63" from the photo. Can you guys help, drawings would be a big plus! Thanks Chris Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) 8c. Re: Liquid chloride Tankcar help Posted by: "Gatwood, Elden J SAD" elden.j.gatwood@... prr8112 Tue Jun 8, 2010 4:37 am (PDT) Had you already passed on the Trix car? It is about 6k, like that one, and is also an insulated car with valve casing instead of dome. Admittedly, some work to bring up to standard. Elden Gatwood -----Original Message----- From: STMFC@yahoogroups. com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Garth G. Groff Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 6:56 AM To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [STMFC] Liquid chloride Tankcar help Chris and friends, Can't help with the tank car (neat, though!), but note the NP boxcar to the right. Can't have a freight train without an NP box in the first ten cars. Kind regards, Garth Groff schmuck804_99 wrote: Hello, I am looking for information to model this tiny tankcar: http://picasaweb. google.com/ ErieChris333/ ProtoPhotos# 5480125587635072 7 54 I got DIAMOND ALKALI COMPANY Painesville, OH D.A.X. The tank dia. looks small, I guess it to be around 63" from the photo. Can you guys help, drawings would be a big plus! Thanks Chris Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) 8d. Re: Liquid chloride Tankcar help Posted by: "al_brown03" abrown@... al_brown03 Tue Jun 8, 2010 4:52 am (PDT) Well, the car has a pressure bonnet not a dome. The 1/53 ORER shows 81 tank cars, AAR type TPI, ICC classes 105A300 (66 cars) and 105A300W (15 cars), 30 and 40 tons, in eleven groups between DAX 200-299. All but four cars are said to be marked "Chlorine Gas Tank Car". I could convince myself this car's number is 212, one of three 40-ton cars in series 211-213. The capacity looks to be maybe 5000 gallons, which IIRC is a typical size for a steam-era chlorine tank; the tank mounts differ from those on the other tank car shown, and suggest to me this car may have been built by General American or Standard Tank. (See pictures in Ted Culotta's tank car book.) -- hth -- -- Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla. --- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, "Garth G. Groff" <ggg9y@...> wrote: Chris and friends, Can't help with the tank car (neat, though!), but note the NP boxcar to the right. Can't have a freight train without an NP box in the first ten cars. Kind regards, Garth Groff schmuck804_99 wrote: Hello, I am looking for information to model this tiny tankcar: 754http://picasaweb. google.com/ ErieChris333/ ProtoPhotos# 5480125587635072 I got DIAMOND ALKALI COMPANY Painesville, OH D.A.X. The tank dia. looks small, I guess it to be around 63" from the photo. Can you guys help, drawings would be a big plus! Thanks Chris Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) Recent Activity * 1 New Members * 11 New PhotosVisit Your Group Stay on top of your group activity with Yahoo! Toolbar Yahoo! News Get it all here Breaking news to entertainment news Drive Traffic Sponsored Search can help increase your site traffic. Need to Reply? Click one of the "Reply" links to respond to a specific message in the Daily Digest. 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Re: Digest Number 6294
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Al Kresse writes:
What data source had these 1948 coal shipment sub-splits? . . . the book From Mine to Market, or a journal or report? Al, Richard Prince's Norfolk & Western Railway, Pg 240...chapter on Freight Service. I should have included the reference. BTW, I have a mint copy for sell. Mike Brock |
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Re: Fw: Digest Number 6294
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Thanks for taking care of that. I always thought replies from digests should not be allowed. Good reason why.
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Re: Digest Number 6294
Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
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I have pix of them on the western end of the PRR; and now that you mrntion it I can't recall any that are east of Pittsburg. This will make for a short research project for a rainy day. Wish i had more to tell. Fred Freitas --- On Thu, 6/10/10, Don Valentine <riverman_vt@...> wrote:
From: Don Valentine <riverman_vt@...> Subject: Re: [STMFC] Digest Number 6294 To: "No Reply" <notify-dg-STMFC@...> Cc: STMFC@... Date: Thursday, June 10, 2010, 12:38 PM I note that BLI will also be offering another run of N&W H-2a hoppers this year. Try as I might, I cannot recall ever seeing a photo of one of the H-2a's in Northern New England in the 1945-1950 era. Were these cars strictly limited to the movement of tide coal or did some of them roam freely? Thanks for any assistance, Don Valentine ________________________________ From: "STMFC@..." <STMFC@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Tue, June 8, 2010 9:15:21 AM Subject: [STMFC] Digest Number 6294 Steam era freight car discussion group. The time period covered will be from 1900-1960. Messages In This Digest (25 Messages) 1a. Re: Champ decals--no longer available? From: Thomas Baker 1b. Re: Champ decals--no longer available? From: Steve Hoxie 2a. Re: decal finishing help From: Craig Zeni 3a. Unusual Perishables From: wohrnell@... 4a. Re: DL&W wood auto boxcars From: brianleppert@... 5a. Re: Strange boxcar ID From: rwitt_2000 5b. Re: Strange boxcar ID From: Richard Hendrickson 5c. Re: Strange boxcar ID From: Richard Hendrickson 6a. BLI NYC all-steel box cars From: Gene 6b. Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars From: Brian J Carlson 6c. Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars From: Tim O'Connor 6d. Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars From: pullmanboss 6e. Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars From: Tim O'Connor 6f. Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars From: barryb2again 6g. Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars From: gn3397 7a. so that's how they did it! From: Tim O'Connor 7b. Re: so that's how they did it! From: Barrybennetttoo@... 7c. Re: so that's how they did it! From: Gatwood, Elden J SAD 7d. Re: so that's how they did it! From: water.kresse@... 7e. Re: so that's how they did it! From: water.kresse@... 7f. Re: so that's how they did it! From: water.kresse@... 8a. Liquid chloride Tankcar help From: schmuck804_99 8b. Re: Liquid chloride Tankcar help From: Garth G. Groff 8c. Re: Liquid chloride Tankcar help From: Gatwood, Elden J SAD 8d. Re: Liquid chloride Tankcar help From: al_brown03 View All Topics | Create New Topic Messages 1a. Re: Champ decals--no longer available? Posted by: "Thomas Baker" bakert@... millcitieslimited Mon Jun 7, 2010 6:59 am (PDT) Yesterday I explored the CHAMP website, read the notice of the inventory, equipment, etc being up for sale. Nevertheless, the site listed various decals still available. Do the people at CHAMP still respond to orders? Tom Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (2) 1b. Re: Champ decals--no longer available? Posted by: "Steve Hoxie" stevehprr@... pennsylvania1954 Mon Jun 7, 2010 7:16 am (PDT) Tom--You can definitely still order from Champ, and they ship promptly. They prefer online ordering; note the comments on the site about when they are working. They try to keep the website current with actual inventory so if you don't see it, it's gone. Steve Hoxie Pensacola FL --- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, Thomas Baker <bakert@...> wrote: Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (2) 2a. Re: decal finishing help Posted by: "Craig Zeni" clzeni@... sal3060 Mon Jun 7, 2010 7:11 am (PDT) The real answer to a good base finish is to use glossy paint in theI've also had good luck getting a decal-ready finish by mixing Floquil 50/50 with their Glaze. Sprays fine through a Paasche double action airbrush. Yes, also a bit slow to dry but like Steve says, the finish is worth it. But if I can get the color I need in it, I'm a Scalecoat painter. Craig Zeni Some mornings it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps. Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (24) 3a. Unusual Perishables Posted by: "wohrnell@..." wohrnell@... lenny64118 Mon Jun 7, 2010 7:56 am (PDT) Add roots to the list of Unusual Perishables. W.L. Ohrnell Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) 4a. Re: DL&W wood auto boxcars Posted by: "brianleppert@..." brianleppert@... brianleppert@... Mon Jun 7, 2010 8:08 am (PDT) I have an original Magor drawing of the underframe arrangement for the DL&W 12800-12999 cars. It is almost an exact copy of the USRA 40-ton box car underframe. Brian Leppert Carson City, NV --- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, "Ken" <kobrien1600@ ...> wrote: Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) 5a. Re: Strange boxcar ID Posted by: "rwitt_2000" rwitt_2000@... rwitt_2000 Mon Jun 7, 2010 3:26 pm (PDT) Ford and Don, To my eyes both of the nominal 6-ft wide doors are still on the car. With that assumption, the car could be either a B&O class M-27B with the Tatum roof, which were rebuilt from the double door version of the M-27, the class M-27A or a M-27F that were re-built from M-27B's starting in 1939 with the second door permanently fixed closed. In 1947, the stated date of the photo, the B&O had 316 class M-27B's and 177 M-27F's on their roster. Take your pick the boxcar could be hauling automobiles or in general merchandise service. There are photos, one by Paul Dunn from the Rich Burg Collection of a M-27B, #295188 with re-weigh data of "COL 11-59" and one from the Jay Williams Collection of a M-27F #382013 with re-weigh data of "CE 10-39" of a very recent conversion at the Chillicothe, Ohio Car Shops with the second door permanently fixed closed. There were still 112 class M-27B operating in 1959, but by that time the Evans auto loaders were removed making them suitable for general service. Regards, Bob Witt P.S. What is strange to some is to others just the wonderful world of John Tatum's inventions ;-). Don Burn wrote: 2001 RMC on how to model these and they were covered in Ted Cullota's Essentiala nice model of one.Of Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web postford35lh Messages in this topic (10) 5b. Re: Strange boxcar ID Posted by: "Richard Hendrickson" rhendrickson@... n1605g Mon Jun 7, 2010 4:00 pm (PDT) On Jun 7, 2010, at 3:26 PM, rwitt_2000 wrote: Ford and Don,Other photos which I have and can provide to you in the form of scans, are a Red Davis shot of B&O 295456 in Nebraska with a recent 12-56 reweigh date and a 1940 Kansas City photo from the Joe Collias collection of a car with Chicago & Alton reporting marks and auto loader markings on the doors, numbered 295003. My 1940 ORER shows 10 C&A cars numbered 295001-295010, but apparently their tenure on the C&A was short, as they are not listed in the 10/41 ORER. The latter photo is an indifferent image from a very grainy 35 mm neg, but knowing Joe's darkroom work I'm sure the print I have is the best he could get. And at least it documents that those ten cars did exist, however briefly. Richard Hendrickson Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (10) 5c. Re: Strange boxcar ID Posted by: "Richard Hendrickson" rhendrickson@... n1605g Mon Jun 7, 2010 4:10 pm (PDT) On Jun 7, 2010, at 3:26 PM, rwitt_2000 wrote: There are photos, one by Paul Dunn from the Rich Burg Collection of aBob, it turns out that, after I sent my previous message, I discoverd another photo of a M-27F. This one is from the Bob Lorenz collection and shows B&O 295189 with a reweigh symbol and date of MC 10-36 and auto loaders markings on the main door. It's interesting that this car still had arch bar trucks at the time it was photographed. Richard Hendrickson Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (10) 6a. BLI NYC all-steel box cars Posted by: "Gene" bierglaeser@... bierglaeser Mon Jun 7, 2010 8:30 pm (PDT) Broadway Limited has announced NYC steel boxcars. Would anyone care to comment on their accuracy judging from the available advertising material? It appears these cars are intended to represent the NYC's 102500-106999, 107000-111999 and 121000-121999 number series as well as possibly other series. Will these be correct or close for these series? What about other series? The paint schemes are identified as pre- and post-1955. Are the "pre-1955" correct for 1950 and earlier? Here is a link: http://www.broadway -limited. com/nycsteelboxc ars.aspx Gene Green Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (7) 6b. Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars Posted by: "Brian J Carlson" prrk41361@... prrk41361 Mon Jun 7, 2010 9:12 pm (PDT) Gene these were discussed extensively on the list less than one month ago. search the archives for "NYC Spec 486 boxcars." (Also look for spec 468 since I see many of the subject lines of the emails I saved had the 8 and 6 transposed) Brian J. Carlson, P.E. Cheektowaga NY prrk41361@yahoo. com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (7) 6c. Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars Posted by: "Tim O'Connor" timboconnor@... cf5250 Mon Jun 7, 2010 9:56 pm (PDT) As Brian said you can find the discussion from last month... I'll just say that my experience with BLI models is that they are good quality. I have a GACX express reefer and some H2a hoppers. The reefer is very well done. The question I have: are there decals/dry transfers out there to letter these cars correctly for NYC? Tim O'Connor Broadway Limited has announced NYC steel boxcars. Would anyone care to comment on their accuracy judging from the available advertising material?Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (7) 6d. Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars Posted by: "pullmanboss" tcmadden@q.com pullmanboss Mon Jun 7, 2010 10:08 pm (PDT) Tim O'Connor asked: See: http://www.speedwit ch.com/Decals/ d107.htm Tom Madden Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (7) 6e. Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars Posted by: "Tim O'Connor" timboconnor@... cf5250 Tue Jun 8, 2010 12:27 am (PDT) Thanks Tom, but I should have been more specific -- I meant decals for the mid to late 1950's. After a search through my catalogs and decals I've found nothing appropriate to model this car or cars like it: http://www.broadway -limited. com/images/ NYC%20105065% 20%28resized% 20for%20web% 29.jpg CDS and Mark Vaughan did sets for this style of repaint but only for postwar AAR (CDS) and prewar AAR (MV) -- so the data are in the correct style but are not for the much smaller spec 486 cars. And of course Ted is not interested in the later 50's (although he did a nice set for SP repaints). So it's factory paint for me! (Not my preference.) Tim O'Connor At 6/8/2010 01:08 AM Tuesday, you wrote: Tim O'Connor asked:Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web postSee: http://www.speedwit ch.com/Decals/ d107.htm Messages in this topic (7) 6f. Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars Posted by: "barryb2again" Barrybennetttoo@... barryb2again Tue Jun 8, 2010 12:38 am (PDT) Having reviewed tha earlier posts and then read the BLI blurb I note that BLI have said that they will not be producing models with repair patches. Taking Richard Hendrickson' s manuscript comments that the cars suffered the same body rot problems as the X29 cars and that all of them received patch panel repairs then the BLI cars are not much use as produced for anyone that models the 1950's. So it looks like buy undecs, add patch panels and then paint and decal. Or maybe I will just build my store of Westerfield kits instead. Barry Bennett Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (7) 6g. Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars Posted by: "gn3397" heninger@... gn3397 Tue Jun 8, 2010 5:45 am (PDT) Tim (and Group), An alternative would be to supply Mr. Glow with a nice broadside photo or twelve, and ask him if he would be interested in generating the artwork. A set that includes the later 50s style of NYC lettering would be useful to many modelers, especially as a larger portion of the hobby moves to a post STMFC era for their modeling. Sincerely, Bob Heninger Iowa City, IA --- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@ ...> wrote: Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (7) 7a. so that's how they did it! Posted by: "Tim O'Connor" timboconnor@... cf5250 Tue Jun 8, 2010 12:00 am (PDT) A loaded Nickel Plate 50' auto box car -- notice the cars do not have their wheels mounted! http://cgi.ebay. com/ws/eBayISAPI .dll?ViewItem& item=25064458955 1 Tim O'Connor Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (6) 7b. Re: so that's how they did it! Posted by: "Barrybennetttoo@..." Barrybennetttoo@... barryb2again Tue Jun 8, 2010 12:09 am (PDT) They don't appear to me to have anything much mounted, maybe just car bodies being shipped to an assembly plant. Barry Bennett In a message dated 08/06/2010 07:01:20 GMT Standard Time, timboconnor@ comcast.net writes: A loaded Nickel Plate 50' auto box car -- notice the cars do not have their wheels mounted! _http://cgi.ebay. com/ws/eBayISAPI .dll?ViewItem& item=25064458955 1_ (http://cgi.ebay. com/ws/eBayISAPI .dll?ViewItem& item=25064458955 1) Tim O'Connor Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (6) 7c. Re: so that's how they did it! Posted by: "Gatwood, Elden J SAD" elden.j.gatwood@... prr8112 Tue Jun 8, 2010 4:44 am (PDT) Also the only way they could get them in there in 2 layers. No axles, either? Elden Gatwood -----Original Message----- From: STMFC@yahoogroups. com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 2:25 AM To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com Subject: [STMFC] so that's how they did it! A loaded Nickel Plate 50' auto box car -- notice the cars do not have their wheels mounted! http://cgi.ebay. com/ws/eBayISAPI .dll?ViewItem& item=25064458955 1 Tim O'Connor Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (6) 7d. Re: so that's how they did it! Posted by: "water.kresse@..." water.kresse@... al.kresse Tue Jun 8, 2010 6:07 am (PDT) Guys, After WW2 the Auto Industry jobbed out a lot of the Station Wagon bodies to small contractors who had built auto-type assemblies for the war efforts. Ionia Mfg (Ionia, Michigan) produced extended Jeep bodies, truck box sub-assemblies with seats and canvass, etc. They then produced Buick Stn Wagon bodies that were shipped on their body trucks to Buick City in Flint, Michigan, to be dropped on running frame assemblies to then have the bolt-on front end sheet metal and bumpers added. I believe they produced other GM "Woody" Stn Wagon bodies also. Fisher Body Chevy produced their own wagon bodies. Great shot! Does anyone recognize the body style? Al Kresse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim O'Connor" <timboconnor@ comcast.net> To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2010 2:25:09 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [STMFC] so that's how they did it! A loaded Nickel Plate 50' auto box car -- notice the cars do not have their wheels mounted! http://cgi.ebay. com/ws/eBayISAPI .dll?ViewItem& item=25064458955 1 Tim O'Connor Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (6) 7e. Re: so that's how they did it! Posted by: "water.kresse@..." water.kresse@... al.kresse Tue Jun 8, 2010 6:08 am (PDT) It was frame and running chassis separate from the bodies in those days! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden J SAD Gatwood " < elden .j. gatwood @ usace .army.mil> To: STMFC @ yahoogroups .com Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2010 7:42:51 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [ STMFC ] so that's how they did it! Also the only way they could get them in there in 2 layers. No axles, either? Elden Gatwood -----Original Message----- From: STMFC @ yahoogroups .com [ mailto : STMFC @ yahoogroups .com] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 2:25 AM To: STMFC @ yahoogroups .com Subject: [ STMFC ] so that's how they did it! A loaded Nickel Plate 50' auto box car -- notice the cars do not have their wheels mounted! http :// cgi . ebay .com/ ws / eBayISAPI . dll ? ViewItem &item=250644589551 Tim O'Connor [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (6) 7f. Re: so that's how they did it! Posted by: "water.kresse@..." water.kresse@... al.kresse Tue Jun 8, 2010 6:15 am (PDT) Later on, in the early-60s, they would ship the wagon bodies mounted on their body trucks on double-deck flat cars. Once they got into the assembly plant, a chain drive would grab the body truck (mounted on casters) to the body marraige machine to be dropped on body mounts to be bolted on to the frame (just like a full-sized truck today). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elden J SAD Gatwood" <elden.j.gatwood@ usace.army. mil> To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2010 7:42:51 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [STMFC] so that's how they did it! Also the only way they could get them in there in 2 layers. No axles, either? Elden Gatwood -----Original Message----- From: STMFC@yahoogroups. com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 2:25 AM To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com Subject: [STMFC] so that's how they did it! A loaded Nickel Plate 50' auto box car -- notice the cars do not have their wheels mounted! http://cgi.ebay. com/ws/eBayISAPI .dll?ViewItem& item=25064458955 1 Tim O'Connor Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (6) 8a. Liquid chloride Tankcar help Posted by: "schmuck804_99" CSchmuck@... schmuck804_99 Tue Jun 8, 2010 1:51 am (PDT) Hello, I am looking for information to model this tiny tankcar: http://picasaweb. google.com/ ErieChris333/ ProtoPhotos# 5480125587635072 754 I got DIAMOND ALKALI COMPANY Painesville, OH D.A.X. The tank dia. looks small, I guess it to be around 63" from the photo. Can you guys help, drawings would be a big plus! Thanks Chris Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) 8b. Re: Liquid chloride Tankcar help Posted by: "Garth G. Groff" ggg9y@... ggg9y Tue Jun 8, 2010 3:55 am (PDT) Chris and friends, Can't help with the tank car (neat, though!), but note the NP boxcar to the right. Can't have a freight train without an NP box in the first ten cars. Kind regards, Garth Groff schmuck804_99 wrote: Hello,Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) 8c. Re: Liquid chloride Tankcar help Posted by: "Gatwood, Elden J SAD" elden.j.gatwood@... prr8112 Tue Jun 8, 2010 4:37 am (PDT) Had you already passed on the Trix car? It is about 6k, like that one, and is also an insulated car with valve casing instead of dome. Admittedly, some work to bring up to standard. Elden Gatwood -----Original Message----- From: STMFC@yahoogroups. com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Garth G. Groff Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 6:56 AM To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [STMFC] Liquid chloride Tankcar help Chris and friends, Can't help with the tank car (neat, though!), but note the NP boxcar to the right. Can't have a freight train without an NP box in the first ten cars. Kind regards, Garth Groff schmuck804_99 wrote: Hello,Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) 8d. Re: Liquid chloride Tankcar help Posted by: "al_brown03" abrown@... al_brown03 Tue Jun 8, 2010 4:52 am (PDT) Well, the car has a pressure bonnet not a dome. The 1/53 ORER shows 81 tank cars, AAR type TPI, ICC classes 105A300 (66 cars) and 105A300W (15 cars), 30 and 40 tons, in eleven groups between DAX 200-299. All but four cars are said to be marked "Chlorine Gas Tank Car". I could convince myself this car's number is 212, one of three 40-ton cars in series 211-213. The capacity looks to be maybe 5000 gallons, which IIRC is a typical size for a steam-era chlorine tank; the tank mounts differ from those on the other tank car shown, and suggest to me this car may have been built by General American or Standard Tank. (See pictures in Ted Culotta's tank car book.) -- hth -- -- Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla. --- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, "Garth G. Groff" <ggg9y@...> wrote: Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4) Recent Activity * 1 New Members * 11 New PhotosVisit Your Group Stay on top of your group activity with Yahoo! Toolbar Yahoo! News Get it all here Breaking news to entertainment news Drive Traffic Sponsored Search can help increase your site traffic. Need to Reply? Click one of the "Reply" links to respond to a specific message in the Daily Digest. 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Re: Digest Number 6294
water.kresse@...
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What data source had these 1948 coal shipment sub-splits? . . . the book From Mine to Market, or a journal or report? Al Kresse ----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Brock" <brockm@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 11:18:35 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Fw: [STMFC] Digest Number 6294 Guys, You might notice that Don Valentine has sent a message to the STMFC. You might also notice that he has managed to include about a hundred or more copies of additional messages. Not good. I almost never edit a message but, in this case, I have removed his message from the archives and forwarded his message minus the other offending messages to the STMFC. This has been taken care of so complaints are not required. Don says: "Try as I might, I cannot recall ever seeing a photo of one of the H-2a's in Northern New England in the 1945-1950 era. Were these cars strictly limited to the movement of tide coal or did some of them roam freely?" I will also reply that all [ a dangerous word ] N&W hoppers "roamed" but, perhaps not freely. They carried coal from mines generally served by the N&W to many locations...some served by N&W, some not. Many observers not intimately in tune with N&W operations seem to believe that the primary coal traffic generated by N&W in 1948 [ for example ] was between Roanoke, VA, and Norfolk, VA for shipment by water to various locations...including, BTW, northern New England...wherever that is. Actually, however, of the 52 million tons of commercial coal shipped by N&W, 22 million went into the midwest [ uh oh...Illinois, Indiana, Ohio ], 10 million into Great Lake ships, 10 million through Norfolk, and the rest into the Carolinas, MD, VA and DC. Perhaps the significance of this is the fact that the majority of coal traffic from N&W served mines ended up traveling on foreign rails. Note that 32 million tons went through or into the...uh...midwest and N&W rails did not extend north of Columbus, OH. It is probably true that N&W generated by far most of the coal traffic from the mines it served, but on the other end, in the...uh...midwest...its cars carried probably most of its generated coal on other RR's...perhaps primarily on the Pennsy and NYC. Some of the more curious movies and photos are of Pennsy leased Santa Fe 2-10-4's pulling long strings of N&W hoppers north from Columbus...on Pennsy rails. Mike Brock |
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Re: PATCHING, and fine scale chain
Kenneth Montero
Jared,
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Have you examined the Central Valley bridge kit for a 150 foot Pratt Truss pin-connected single track bridge? Central Valley makes both an HO and N scale kit for this bridge. Here is a link to its website: http://www.cvmw.com/ The HO kit has been around for a while. The N scale kit is new. Ken Montero ----- Original Message -----
From: "almabranch" <harperandbrown@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 12:36:48 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [STMFC] Re: PATCHING, and fine scale chain The bridges are beautiful. I need a single track pin connected Pratt Truss for my Alma branch layout. The one at the Traincat website is beautiful, albeit too heavy for my line. Jared Harper Athens, GA --- In STMFC@... , "Jack Burgess" <jack@...> wrote:
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Jared Harper
The bridges are beautiful. I need a single track pin connected Pratt Truss for my Alma branch layout. The one at the Traincat website is beautiful, albeit too heavy for my line.
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Jared Harper Athens, GA --- In STMFC@..., "Jack Burgess" <jack@...> wrote:
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Fw: Digest Number 6294
Mike Brock <brockm@...>
Guys,
You might notice that Don Valentine has sent a message to the STMFC. You might also notice that he has managed to include about a hundred or more copies of additional messages. Not good. I almost never edit a message but, in this case, I have removed his message from the archives and forwarded his message minus the other offending messages to the STMFC. This has been taken care of so complaints are not required. Don says: "Try as I might, I cannot recall ever seeing a photo of one of the H-2a's in Northern New England in the 1945-1950 era. Were these cars strictly limited to the movement of tide coal or did some of them roam freely?" I will also reply that all [ a dangerous word ] N&W hoppers "roamed" but, perhaps not freely. They carried coal from mines generally served by the N&W to many locations...some served by N&W, some not. Many observers not intimately in tune with N&W operations seem to believe that the primary coal traffic generated by N&W in 1948 [ for example ] was between Roanoke, VA, and Norfolk, VA for shipment by water to various locations...including, BTW, northern New England...wherever that is. Actually, however, of the 52 million tons of commercial coal shipped by N&W, 22 million went into the midwest [ uh oh...Illinois, Indiana, Ohio ], 10 million into Great Lake ships, 10 million through Norfolk, and the rest into the Carolinas, MD, VA and DC. Perhaps the significance of this is the fact that the majority of coal traffic from N&W served mines ended up traveling on foreign rails. Note that 32 million tons went through or into the...uh...midwest and N&W rails did not extend north of Columbus, OH. It is probably true that N&W generated by far most of the coal traffic from the mines it served, but on the other end, in the...uh...midwest...its cars carried probably most of its generated coal on other RR's...perhaps primarily on the Pennsy and NYC. Some of the more curious movies and photos are of Pennsy leased Santa Fe 2-10-4's pulling long strings of N&W hoppers north from Columbus...on Pennsy rails. Mike Brock |
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Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars
As Richard says they are ZU-eave (aka overhanging) roofs, not Z-eave
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(aka flush) roofs as found on the SP rebuilds. I think Intermountain sells the R-40-25 refrigerator roof separately, and that can be bashed into a box car roof. You can copy-cast Martin's parts for your own use. I've done it with some small parts. Tim O'Connor Richard, |
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Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars
Terry Link agrees -- the dates are August 1955 to May 1959.
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http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/NYC-MODELS-FREIGHT.htm At 6/9/2010 07:43 PM Wednesday, you wrote:
On Jun 9, 2010, at 3:17 PM, rwitt_2000 wrote:Do we know the specific date when the NYC switched to the "extended"Yes, it is. Photos of cars repainted in 8-55 show them with extended |
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Re: Color check PRR
mopacfirst
Maybe that's why I have a hard time visualizing that zinc chromate color compared to the ones I have photos of.
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I did paint the interior Rail Brown. I'm sure I can add plenty of blackish, rustish overspray. Ron Merrick --- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:
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Re: Color check PRR
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Fred Freitas wrote:
For the CK scheme, you are correct. It will, no doubt, get heavy weathering?Meaning, I assume, even MORE dirty than the average PRR freight car? I still remember how amazed I was as a teenager, at the sheer darkness of grime on PRR freight cars. They stood out in a string of cars. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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Re: Color check PRR
Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
Ron,
For the CK scheme, you are correct. It will, no doubt, get heavy weathering? Fred Freitas ________________________________ From: mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Thu, June 10, 2010 1:20:45 PM Subject: [STMFC] Color check PRR i built a Sunshine G29 (PRR, of course) gon and painted it Floquil zinc chromate. I'm planning to letter it in the CK scheme with the decals that came in the kit. Modeling era for me is 1960 (plus a couple of years). While I know there were discussions about the PRR freight car red color changing over time, I'm not sure I could draw conclusions from what I read. And, I can't see reds very well, so I don't identify these colors by sight very well anyway. And, I have some other Pennsy gons to do, including a couple that I'll paint SK. Is this the best color? I'll probably weather the car, as one that had been several years since its last paint job. Ron Merrick |
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Color check PRR
mopacfirst
i built a Sunshine G29 (PRR, of course) gon and painted it Floquil zinc chromate. I'm planning to letter it in the CK scheme with the decals that came in the kit. Modeling era for me is 1960 (plus a couple of years).
While I know there were discussions about the PRR freight car red color changing over time, I'm not sure I could draw conclusions from what I read. And, I can't see reds very well, so I don't identify these colors by sight very well anyway. And, I have some other Pennsy gons to do, including a couple that I'll paint SK. Is this the best color? I'll probably weather the car, as one that had been several years since its last paint job. Ron Merrick |
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Re: New Orleans box cars, 1903, on Shorpy.com
Cyril Durrenberger
Has anyone located a photo or otherwise have an idea of the lettering on the side of the SICL box cars?
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Cyril Durrenberger --- On Thu, 6/10/10, scottpitzer2002 <scottp459@...> wrote:
From: scottpitzer2002 <scottp459@...> Subject: [STMFC] New Orleans box cars, 1903, on Shorpy.com To: STMFC@... Date: Thursday, June 10, 2010, 12:56 AM http://www.shorpy.com/node/8301?size=_original Southern Iron Car Line, Alabama & Vicksburg, and 2 from Texas & Pacific. Scott Pitzer |
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Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars
Richard Hendrickson
On Jun 10, 2010, at 7:30 AM, rockroll50401 wrote:
I can't remember how long my car's been in service, but I'm sure IYou missed that straw, Clark. The roofs were not black. Often filthy dirty, yes, but not black. Richard Hendrickson |
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Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars
Clark Propst
I can't remember how long my car's been in service, but I'm sure I don't remember what color I painted it. Was there any chance some of the roofs were painted black? When I replace the roof on my car it would be much easier to paint the new roof black....Just grabbing for straws : )
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Re: BLI NYC all-steel box cars
soolinehistory <destorzek@...>
--- In STMFC@..., "Dave Nelson" <Lake_Muskoka@...> wrote:
the nicest rendition of a diagonal panel roof with "ZU" eaves is available from Moloco: http://www.molocotrains.com/catalog/product/gallery/id/13/image/100/ It sould be able to be shortened to the needed length. Dennis |
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Spare Box Cars
Armand Premo
Does anyone have a surplus Branchline VGN or IHB 40'boxcar in their stash for sale? If so, please contact me off list.Armand Premo
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