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J&L 3 dome tank car

RonM <ronstrainshop@...>
 

Where might I find a COMPLETE source of information on the big J&L tank cars?
I want to know; how many they had, when they were built,when they were last used by J&L, when they were scrapped and if any made there way to the Union Pacific.
I know that the UP had cars that were built from tenders with 6 wheels trucks,these are NOT the cars I am asking about. I have heard from a friend, that the UP had several of the J&L cars in the 1950's and I find this interesting as I thought that they never left the area of the J&L plants.
So far the UP Yahoo group has not come up with anything.
Thanks in advance for any info you may have.
Ron Morse
NYC/C&O/PM O scale in Springfield,MO
Re: CN box car question

Tim O'Connor
 

Ron, you're making the mistake of looking at a 1980's photo of
a car built in the 1950's -- The brackets at the bottom of the
ladder are clearly there for a step, but the step is removed --
probably removed when the running boards were removed and the
ladders were shortened.

Tim O'Connor

At 3/22/2010 11:50 AM Monday, you wrote:
OK, guys, I just tumbled to something. The cars in these photos both have a pretty good sized bracket at the bottom of the end ladder, but there is no step. I thought all of this discussion revolved around steps, and a couple years ago I got rid of a Canadian prototype (sorry I don't remember which one) RTR car I bought precisely because the step was absent. Did the step at the bottom of the end ladder come and go, or was it not a mandatory feature, or...?????

Ron Merrick

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=747877
Re: CN box car question

mopacfirst
 

OK, guys, I just tumbled to something. The cars in these photos both have a pretty good sized bracket at the bottom of the end ladder, but there is no step. I thought all of this discussion revolved around steps, and a couple years ago I got rid of a Canadian prototype (sorry I don't remember which one) RTR car I bought precisely because the step was absent. Did the step at the bottom of the end ladder come and go, or was it not a mandatory feature, or...?????

Ron Merrick

--- In STMFC@..., "Mark" <mark_heiden@...> wrote:

Tim,

Looking through my CN photos, it appears that the rods with the wavy handles and upwards tilt are original equipment. <snip>

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=747877

And one showing just the bracket:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1306636

Hope this helps.

Mark Heiden

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@> wrote:


Thanks! By Yimminy, I just checked a mess of photos of CN and CP
box cars that had end ladders with a step, and sure enough, every
one of them has a top uncoupling lever. <snip>
To stay clear of the brackets for the steps below the end ladders on CN boxcars???

Tom Madden
Re: USRA 70 Ton truck

water.kresse@...
 

Ben,



What is the reason/significance for the "S-" in front of the road number in both of these series?



Al Kresse

----- Original Message -----
From: "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 10:31:20 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [STMFC] Re: USRA 70 Ton truck



Pierre Oliver asked:
"I'm about to build a trio of the Westerfield USRA 70 Ton Hopper
cars [NYC, post WWII]. The instruction suggest cutting the roller
bearings off of a MDC truck and replacing with journal boxes from
another truck. Is there a better option for trucks other than this process?"

Pierre, here a some builders photos from Terry Link's website showing
the truck that Al described in the kit instructions:
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/pmck&y-53199.jpg
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/p&le-66000.jpg

These appear to be a 70-ton Vulcan truck.  Bethlehem Car Works #1220
has a closer sideframe shape than the Kadee truck; however, both are
50-ton trucks and would be stand-ins.  Still, it's better than
playing with engineering plastic.

IIRC, I've got an in-service photo of these cars somewhere in the
collection.  I'll see if I can find it to check for any other truck
variations.


Ben Hom



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Re: USRA 70 Ton truck

Benjamin Hom
 

Pierre Oliver asked:
"I'm about to build a trio of the Westerfield USRA 70 Ton Hopper
cars [NYC, post WWII]. The instruction suggest cutting the roller
bearings off of a MDC truck and replacing with journal boxes from
another truck. Is there a better option for trucks other than this process?"

Pierre, here a some builders photos from Terry Link's website showing
the truck that Al described in the kit instructions:
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/pmck&y-53199.jpg
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/p&le-66000.jpg

These appear to be a 70-ton Vulcan truck. Bethlehem Car Works #1220
has a closer sideframe shape than the Kadee truck; however, both are
50-ton trucks and would be stand-ins. Still, it's better than
playing with engineering plastic.

IIRC, I've got an in-service photo of these cars somewhere in the
collection. I'll see if I can find it to check for any other truck
variations.


Ben Hom
Re: USRA 70 Ton truck

pierreoliver2003 <pierre.oliver@...>
 

Second World War that is.

--- In STMFC@..., "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...> wrote:

Pierre Oliver asked:
"I'm about to build a trio of the Westerfield USRA 70 Ton Hopper cars.
The instruction suggest cutting the roller bearings off of a MDC truck
and replacing with journal boxes from another truck.
Is there a better option for trucks other than this process?"

Which roads are you doing and what time period?


Ben Hom
Re: USRA 70 Ton truck

pierreoliver2003 <pierre.oliver@...>
 

Ben,
NYC, post war.
Pierre Oliver

--- In STMFC@..., "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...> wrote:

Pierre Oliver asked:
"I'm about to build a trio of the Westerfield USRA 70 Ton Hopper cars.
The instruction suggest cutting the roller bearings off of a MDC truck
and replacing with journal boxes from another truck.
Is there a better option for trucks other than this process?"

Which roads are you doing and what time period?


Ben Hom
Re: USRA 70 Ton truck

Benjamin Hom
 

Pierre Oliver asked:
"I'm about to build a trio of the Westerfield USRA 70 Ton Hopper cars.
The instruction suggest cutting the roller bearings off of a MDC truck
and replacing with journal boxes from another truck.
Is there a better option for trucks other than this process?"

Which roads are you doing and what time period?


Ben Hom
USRA 70 Ton truck

pierreoliver2003 <pierre.oliver@...>
 

Hi,
I'm about to build a trio of the Westerfield USRA 70 Ton Hopper cars. The instruction suggest cutting the roller bearings off of a MDC truck and replacing with journal boxes from another truck.
Is there a better option for trucks other than this process?
Thanks,
Pierre Oliver
Re: Caboose Trucks

Richard Stern <rstern1@...>
 

I looked at my old Athearn ATSF-style cabeese and found a truck that seems
to fit this description. Is this close? (I think the bearings are modeled
on a roller bearing, but perhaps this could be easily replaced with the
covers off a solid bearing truck).



Rs




So I went searching for pics of the actual cabeese in service.
Many of the trucks appear to be some kind of "adaptation" of a
standard Bettendorf (or Barber) truck. Think "a standard
Bettendorf/Barber truck ... but with the coil springs replaced
with leaf springs ... and with solid bearings (not roller).
All of the "caboose trucks" in HO scale I've found so far
are variations on the Barber/Bettendorf swing motion truck
that has that very distinctive "rectangular with rounded
corners" insert/piece that surrounds the leaf springs. I.e.
what the Tahoe Model Works version looks like.
Re: CMO Fowler Boxcars

Charles Morrill
 

As far as my magazine data base shows, MM never published the article. I have seen C&NW Fowler models in O scale built with some modifications to the San Juan Car kit for the D&RGW Fowler boxcar. RMC described the HO version in Essential Freight Cars Number 31 June 2006.
Charlie

----- Original Message -----
From: "fltenwheeler" <floridatenwheeler@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 10:22 AM
Subject: [STMFC] CMO Fowler Boxcars


Hi

I found a copy of Mainline Modeler 8/92 about the CMO Fowler boxcars. At the end of the artical there is a plug for a future article about building one in O scale. Does anyone know if that article was published? And if so what issue?

I am also looking for additional information and pictures of the cars with the "Route of The 400" slogan. Again this will be used to build a 1/8-scale model

Thanks

Tim Meyer
Re: CN box car question

Tim O'Connor
 

Thanks Mark. I received an excellent drawing off-list of
the lever bracket -- it was attached to the ladder and not
to the car. There is a second bracket above the coupler,
attached to the end of the car. Now to figure out how to
model this bracket so it's reasonably durable!

Tim O'Connor


------------------------------------------------------------
Looking through my CN photos, it appears that the rods with the wavy handles and upwards tilt are original equipment. As these cars were shopped, starting in the 1970s it seems, a new rod with a straight handle and mounted level with the end sill was installed .

The uncoupling lever was attached to the car with a small bracket between the ladder stile and the end of the car. Here's a prototype photo showing the entire lever:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=747877

And one showing just the bracket:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1306636

Hope this helps.

Mark Heiden
Re: Reefer info wanted

Jim Hayes
 

The Mantua Heavies reefer may have been used because the IM reefer hadn't
been produced yet.

This looks nearly identical to Stan's NRC 18500 series reefer kit which
consists of an Intermountain reefer kit plus his Despatch Shop flat plate
ends and Despatch Shop roof. Add a set of his meat reefer doors and remove
the riveted seam on the ends and I think you'd be awfully close.

You can see a finished model of his NRC kit here
www.sunshinekits.com/sunimages/stan34nrc19414.jpg
And ordering info for the kit or the doors, ends, and roof separately here
www.sunshinekits.com/links.html

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com

On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 9:33 AM, <richtownsend@...> wrote:



I don't have that issue of RMJ, and I don't have a Mantua Heavies reefer.
Is there something unique about the reefer that makes it especially useful
for this conversion? Does it have an unusual roof? Or could some other
source for a roof be used, such as Intermountain?

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon

-----Original Message-----
From: cloggydog <Alan.Monk@... <Alan.Monk%40tube.tfl.gov.uk>>
To: STMFC@... <STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Mar 19, 2010 12:55 am
Subject: [STMFC] Re:Reefer info wanted

Paul/all

the article in question was by Stan Rydarowicz and appeared in the Sept
2001 issue of Railmodel Journal.

He combined a Red Caboose X-29 and a Mantua Heavy Reefer.

HTH,
Alan Monk,
London, UK

--- In STMFC@... <STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>, Paul Greenwald
<pennsyrrfan@...> wrote:

Alan -

Any chance that you could give us the citation for that article?

Thanks,

Paul Greenwald


On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Monk Alan <Alan.Monk@...>wrote:



A curious Clark Propst asked:


I'm interested in learning more about a URLX reefer design.
I think I can best describe it by it's spotting characteristics.
Looks like an X29 box car with meat reefers doors that have two latch
bars.
Anyone know who made these? How many there were? When they first
appeared?
etc?

One of these Clark??

http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1063553

I'm also very interested in modelling this type.

I think there has been mention of both that pic and modelling options
on
the list before, so it might be worth a search. I'm pretty certain that
reference has also been made of an article in the modelling press on
making
one by combining the shall of an old X-29 model and a reefer roof -
amazingly I found a copy over here in my local club's magazine
collection
and it's on my (ever-growing) 'list of cars to model'

kind regards,
________________________________________
Alan Monk
London, UK
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Re: CN box car question

Mark Heiden
 

Tim,

Looking through my CN photos, it appears that the rods with the wavy handles and upwards tilt are original equipment. As these cars were shopped, starting in the 1970s it seems, a new rod with a straight handle and mounted level with the end sill was installed .

The uncoupling lever was attached to the car with a small bracket between the ladder stile and the end of the car. Here's a prototype photo showing the entire lever:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=747877

And one showing just the bracket:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1306636

Hope this helps.

Mark Heiden

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Thanks! By Yimminy, I just checked a mess of photos of CN and CP
box cars that had end ladders with a step, and sure enough, every
one of them has a top uncoupling lever. Almost all of them look
like they were improvised, too, with bent or wavy rods and most of
them tilted upwards -- Anyone know of a close up detail shot of one
that shows where/how the uncoupling lever bracket was attached?

Tim O'Connor



At 3/19/2010 11:56 AM Friday, you wrote:
Tim,

CN used top-mounted uncoupling levers on all of it's 40ft steel boxcars. Can't say why though.

Mark Heiden
To stay clear of the brackets for the steps below the end ladders on CN boxcars???

Tom Madden
Re: Reefer info wanted

Richard Townsend
 

I don't have that issue of RMJ, and I don't have a Mantua Heavies reefer. Is there something unique about the reefer that makes it especially useful for this conversion? Does it have an unusual roof? Or could some other source for a roof be used, such as Intermountain?


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon

-----Original Message-----
From: cloggydog <Alan.Monk@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Fri, Mar 19, 2010 12:55 am
Subject: [STMFC] Re:Reefer info wanted




Paul/all

the article in question was by Stan Rydarowicz and appeared in the Sept 2001 issue of Railmodel Journal.

He combined a Red Caboose X-29 and a Mantua Heavy Reefer.

HTH,
Alan Monk,
London, UK

--- In STMFC@..., Paul Greenwald <pennsyrrfan@...> wrote:

Alan -

Any chance that you could give us the citation for that article?

Thanks,

Paul Greenwald


On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Monk Alan <Alan.Monk@...>wrote:



A curious Clark Propst asked:


I'm interested in learning more about a URLX reefer design.
I think I can best describe it by it's spotting characteristics.
Looks like an X29 box car with meat reefers doors that have two latch
bars.
Anyone know who made these? How many there were? When they first appeared?
etc?

One of these Clark??

http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1063553

I'm also very interested in modelling this type.

I think there has been mention of both that pic and modelling options on
the list before, so it might be worth a search. I'm pretty certain that
reference has also been made of an article in the modelling press on making
one by combining the shall of an old X-29 model and a reefer roof -
amazingly I found a copy over here in my local club's magazine collection
and it's on my (ever-growing) 'list of cars to model'

kind regards,
________________________________________
Alan Monk
London, UK






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Re: Caboose Trucks

Frank Pearsall
 

Cape Line was sold to Bethlehem Car Works back (I believe) in 2003.

Frank Pearsall
Brevard, N.C.

On Mar 21, 2010, at 12:04 PM, Francis A. Pehowic, Jr. wrote:

Eastern Car Works but you have to assemble it. Not high quality. Is Cape Line still around?

Francis A. Pehowic, Jr.
Re: Caboose Trucks

rdgbuff56
 

Eastern Car Works but you have to assemble it. Not high quality. Is Cape Line still around?

Francis A. Pehowic, Jr.





________________________________
From: Jim Betz <jimbetz@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Fri, March 12, 2010 12:21:53 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Caboose Trucks


Hi,

So I went searching for pics of the actual cabeese in service.
Many of the trucks appear to be some kind of "adaptation" of a
standard Bettendorf (or Barber) truck. Think "a standard
Bettendorf/Barber truck ... but with the coil springs replaced
with leaf springs ... and with solid bearings (not roller).
All of the "caboose trucks" in HO scale I've found so far
are variations on the Barber/Bettendorf swing motion truck
that has that very distinctive "rectangular with rounded
corners" insert/piece that surrounds the leaf springs. I.e.
what the Tahoe Model Works version looks like.

Any one know of a source for the style I found in the pics?

Please note - there is a brass caboose truck (PSC?) out
there that has a copper leaf spring that is a representation of
what I'm looking for. I can't/won't use those because they tend
to dis-assemble themselves in just normal handling.
- Jim
CMO Fowler Boxcars

Tim Meyer
 

Hi

I found a copy of Mainline Modeler 8/92 about the CMO Fowler boxcars. At the end of the artical there is a plug for a future article about building one in O scale. Does anyone know if that article was published? And if so what issue?

I am also looking for additional information and pictures of the cars with the "Route of The 400" slogan. Again this will be used to build a 1/8-scale model

Thanks

Tim Meyer
Re: Universal Rotary Type brake adjusters for CBQ XM-32c box cars

LOUIS WHITELEY <octoraro1@...>
 

On the back of Burlington Bulletin #7 is a lettering diagram for XM-32 and XM-32A boxcars.  There is a note: "Stencil on series 34200 - 34599 only" stating "ADJUST BRAKES HERE" over another notation indicating the "centerline of Universal slack adjuster (Side type)".

Perhaps there is a lettering diagram somewhere for XM-32C cars with a similar notation that would answer your question.

Lou Whiteley
Lawrenceville, NJ



________________________________
From: Mark <mark_heiden@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sun, March 14, 2010 4:56:44 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Universal Rotary Type brake adjusters for CBQ XM-32c box cars

 
Hello everyone,

Does anyone know if CB&Q class XM-32c box cars in the series CBQ 18400-18699 were built with Universal Rotary Type brake adjusters? The other XM-32c box cars in the class, CBQ 18700-19399, did have them, but my photos of cars in the CBQ 18400-18699 series are inconclusive.

Thanks,
Mark Heiden
Re: Naval Gun in San Pedro, CA

Rich Yoder
 

You might want to look at my web site for more on the F22 cars and Battle
ship rifles.
http://www.richyodermodels.com/rym_fc_co_f22.htm
Rich Yoder

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Anthony Thompson
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 8:36 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Naval Gun in San Pedro, CA

Claus Schlund (wrote:
The link Peter provided did not work for me. However, I think the
image might be accessible via this link below:
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics48/00073773.jpg

The near flat cars seems to be lettered PENNSYLVANIA, and looks to
my untrained eyes as tho they could be the class F22 flats
previously discussed.
Sure looks like a pair of F22s to me.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history



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