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Re: Rio Grande Oil Company HO decals special run
Tony Thompson
John, given how recently (for your modeling) the Rio Grande sale to Richfield occurred, you could certainly "patch" a Rio Grande Oil paint scheme for ROX reporting marks and number.
Tony Thompson
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Re: An unusual car - compressed gas
Tony Thompson
Lloyd Keyser wrote:
The name was spelled correctly on the CN flat car: it's Pintsch gas -- though Lloyd's spelling captures the pronunciation perfectly. Tony Thompson
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Re: Mis-routed Cars ... was Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Help Identifying Unusual Boxcar (MoPac coke service?)
Bill Keene
Proof that railroad modeling is FUN!
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Cheers, — Bill
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Re: Mis-routed Cars ... was Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Help Identifying Unusual Boxcar (MoPac coke service?)
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Attaboy, Bill! Keep them on their toes.
Elden Gatwood
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Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 2:22 PM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: Mis-routed Cars ... was Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Help Identifying Unusual Boxcar (MoPac coke service?)
A while back I purchased a Deep Rock Tangent tank car by mistake. Yes. I make my share of them because it keeps life interesting. I thought about putting this critter up for sale. But then I got to thinking … yes … that happens ever full moon … that the Deep Rock car would make a really good “lost” car.
The plan is to place this orphan into the train without a waybill and see what happens.
Cheers, Bill Keene Irvine, CA
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Re: Mis-routed Cars ... was Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Help Identifying Unusual Boxcar (MoPac coke service?)
Bill Keene
A while back I purchased a Deep Rock Tangent tank car by mistake. Yes. I make my share of them because it keeps life interesting. I thought about putting this critter up for sale. But then I got to thinking … yes … that happens ever full moon … that the Deep Rock car would make a really good “lost” car.
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The plan is to place this orphan into the train without a waybill and see what happens. Cheers, Bill Keene Irvine, CA
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Re: NJI&I to Wabash at Pine
Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
Gary, Interesting data for a rather obscure railway. I've always been intrigued by the rather grandiously-named New Jersey, Indiana & Illinois. The line was actually built by the Singer Sewing Machine interests, and was named for the three states where Singer had plants. The line was sold to the Wabash in 1926, but retained as a separate railroad, which probably got the Wabash a bigger cut of any freight payments. For an 11-mile line the NJ&I had a pretty impressive fleet of boxcars. Actually Sudebaker wasn't going that strong in 1953. They had serious production delays bringing new models to the market, Ford and GM were in a price war that hurt Sudebaker more than each other, and the production/sales costs of each Studebaker was much higher than comparable GM or Ford products. The next year they merged with failing Packard, which was probably the worst decision Studebaker could have made. What I consider the most beautiful car of the 1950s, the Studebaker Hawk couldn't save them, though the 1960 Lark bought them some time. Fleet sales also kept them going; California, for instance, heavily bought Studebaker autos and pick-up trucks, but the actual profit per unit must have been pretty low. I learned to drive in a 1962 Studebaker Lark, an ex-California Forestry Service car, but that's beyond our period of interest (as well as irrelevant to our discussion). Yours Aye, Garth Groff 🦆
On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 1:07 PM Gary Roe <wabashrr@...> wrote:
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Re: Mis-routed Cars ... was Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Help Identifying Unusual Boxcar (MoPac coke service?)
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Jim;
Good observations!
I just thought some “entertainment” was in order: bad order cars, hot boxes, “flat” wheels (bang bang bang), shifted loads, mis-routed cars, the fun never ends!
I wish I never made a mistake, but more than once, people definitely got creative in avoiding dropping off hot boxes “there is a car inspector on hand, and his assistant with the oil can and cotton”. Ah ha.
Burning cars I never did adequately represent, but the plan per PRR employees was to figure out what was burning (smoke visible to the cabin), stop for conference, pull forward to grade crossing, call local FD, fail to put out fire, and so on.
EVERYONE wanted to get rid of the offal car, so that became an unexpected priority (surprise). Re-routing on next block NB was “expedited”. The poor car repairman that had to crawl under in August….
Elden Gatwood
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Elden,
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Re: BOILER LOADS
Bill Keene
With a shipping weight of only 213 pounds I doubt that a flat car was required. I did notice that dimensions were not given in the handbook data … so … the Turboencabulator might be a large item of rather light material. Thinking about this … a flat car might have been necessary.
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Would a PC cab-forward in Utah be in pool service and running off miles to balance the sharing? Please post the photo! Cheers & Giggles, Bill Keene Irvine, CA
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Mis-routed Cars ... was Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Help Identifying Unusual Boxcar (MoPac coke service?)
Elden,
And why would you expect your operators to be any less human than the guys on the 1-1 RRs. *G* Your operators probably said "If Elden put it in the train it must need to be delivered somewhere!" - because Elden NEVER makes a mistake. Or they might have 'gotten creative' and rolled a waybill in a carcard "for you" so that it made "sense" to deliver it. Besides - those cars just balanced out the ones they pulled and brought back to you when the waybill clearly indicated it should stay at right where it was. *VBG* - Jim
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Help Identifying Unusual Boxcar (MoPac coke service?)
CJ Riley <cjriley42@...>
In my youth U commuted with a Pennsy man whose job was to locate missing or misrouted cars. A full time job it seemed. The worst were a pair of long missing PRR box cars he finally located in Mexico. The were fully equipped as homes with windows and all and occupied by two families. He wrote them off as wrecked.
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Re: Rio Grande Oil Company HO decals special run
Richard Townsend
This brings to mind Tony Thompson's trick enabling him to run a tank car decorated for the Mutual Oil Company long after Mutual had been absorbed by Conoco. He heavily weathered the car and changed the reporting marks, but not the number, to CONX. Quite clever, in my estimation. Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
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From: Dave Parker via groups.io <spottab@...> To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2021 8:25 am Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rio Grande Oil Company HO decals special run On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 04:37 AM, John Barry wrote:
Now if I can figure out which of the ROX 10K cars came from the RGOX prototypes for the Tangent cars.The exact same cars, with the same car numbers, appear as RGOX cars in the 1936 tariff, and as ROX cars in the 1955 edition. These were cars 201, 203-210, 226-240. These were (very likely) all 10-kgal GATC 1917 design cars with 256-gal domes. The tank volumes match exactly across the two tariffs. -- Dave Parker Swall Meadows, CA
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Re: An unusual car - compressed gas
Philip Dove
In the late victorian era up to the early 1950s many British railways had coaches lit by Pintsche Gas. in the 1900s there were at least two crashes where the result was far worse due to the gas tanks rupturing and setting fire to the wreckage. The board of trade investigations concluded the gas lighting was a major factor and recommended that Gas lighting was dropped, during the 1920s and 1930s it was used less and less. The Quintinshill disaster in 1915 was topped off by fire when gas lit coaches and a coal train burnt for over 24 hours. It was thought that most of the soldiers were dead before their cremation in the wreckage.
On Mon, 8 Mar 2021 at 15:26, John Riddell <riddellj@...> wrote:
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NJI&I to Wabash at Pine
Gary Roe
I was recently able to acquire 4 pages of "Daily Interchange Report of Cars" from the NJI&I to the Wabash at Pine, Indiana. For those unfamiliar with the NJI&I, it was a Wabash subsidiary which ran about 11 miles from South Bend to Pine. The following list is dated 06May53. It is cars which were left between 11P and midnight for pick up by Eastbound Wabash Train #96. Employee timetable shows #96 due at Pine around 3A; but a note on the report shows it due at Pine around 9A on 07May. All cars originated at South Bend. I am showing Initials, Number, Destination, Contents. Looks like Studebaker was going strong in 1953! Hope the formatting comes thru intact. gary roe quincy, illinois Wab 49219 Roxbury MA Autos LV 6234 Roxbury MA Autos LV 6649 Roxbury MA Autos Wab 49348 Bronx NY Autos Wab 49162 Warrensburg NY Autos Wab 49701 Somersville MA Autos Wab 49757 Mariden CT Autos LV 6627 Plattsburg NY Autos LV 6635 New Haven CT Autos LV 6618 Northampton MA Autos LV 6305 New Bedford MA Autos Wab 49325 Weehawken NJ Autos Wab 49136 Weehawken NJ Autos Wab 49526 Worcester MA Autos PM 83743 * Agricultural Implements Wab 49512 Portsmouth NH Autos Wab 49462 Gardner Heywood MA Autos Wab 49120 Lynn MA Autos CP 294924 Presque Isle ME Autos CP 294984 Presque Isle ME Autos CP 294952 Cambridge MA Autos CN 662759 Detroit MI Machinery RDG 32202 Niagara Falls NY -- RDG 102050 Milan NH -- C&O 51134 Toledo OH -- C&O 117019 Toledo OH -- * Looks like "NY Ltge Sta NJ" -- Empty
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Re: BOILER LOADS
I have a photo of one of these on a raised-center flat car behind a Penn Central cab forward taken somewhere in Utah.
Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA Turboencabulator - Wikipedia
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Re: Rio Grande Oil Company HO decals special run
Dave Parker
On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 04:37 AM, John Barry wrote:
Now if I can figure out which of the ROX 10K cars came from the RGOX prototypes for the Tangent cars.The exact same cars, with the same car numbers, appear as RGOX cars in the 1936 tariff, and as ROX cars in the 1955 edition. These were cars 201, 203-210, 226-240. These were (very likely) all 10-kgal GATC 1917 design cars with 256-gal domes. The tank volumes match exactly across the two tariffs. -- Dave Parker Swall Meadows, CA
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Help Identifying Unusual Boxcar (MoPac coke service?)
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Guys;
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Absolutely agree. Mis-routing was more common than many folks think. I stumbled across stacks of correspondence trying to find out where cars disappeared. Sometimes it was intentional, like the routing of the "offal" car. Most often, mis-read destinations. There were gondolas frequently mis-routed on purpose, to feed local needs. B&O hated the PRR, who scooped up B&O hoppers at every opportunity. Many mistakes were just made by accident. Numerous cars did get off their intended route by simple cases of creating the wrong destination. I sometimes threw a "mistake" car in my trains, to see if the operators would notice, and re-route back. Nope. Elden Gatwood
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Ogden Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 9:37 AM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Help Identifying Unusual Boxcar (MoPac coke service?) Maybe the coke car was lost. One of the things that did happen with alarming frequency is a car would get misdirected. On the MoPac there was an El Dorado, Kansas and an El Dorado, Arkansas and both were in oil fields and one had a Skelly and the other a Lion Oil refinery. Both were pronounced El-Doe-RAY-doe and the team tracks would sometimes get misdirected equipment will oilfield machinery. The Kansas machinery should have been sent to Arkansas for example. The car might have been sent to Salem, Oregon instead of Salem, Illinois for interchange. Salem, Illinois was in an area where a lot of railroads crossed. Watch someone in Oregon send it to Massachusetts next. Jim Ogden Argyle, Texas
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Re: Help Identifying Unusual Boxcar (MoPac coke service?)
Richard Townsend
If it were misdirected it wouldn’t have been too difficult to confuse Toledo, Or with Toledo. Oh. But didn’t waybills designate routing?
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Re: An unusual car - compressed gas
John Riddell
The CN used old wood second-class coaches in commuter service out of Toronto Union Station into the mid 1950s. Some of these old cars were gas-lit.
John Riddell
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Re: Help Identifying Unusual Boxcar (MoPac coke service?)
Ted Schnepf
Hi Jim and list, The railroads were notorious for mixing up destinations. I was shipping rail out of Casper Wyoming in the 1990's to Crawford, WISCONSIN. About half the loads went to Crawford, NEBRASKA, with several days of delay enroute. Both locations were on the BN. Ted Schnepf
On Monday, March 8, 2021, 08:36:58 AM CST, Jim Ogden <sjogden@...> wrote: Maybe the coke car was lost. One of the things that did happen with alarming frequency is a car would get misdirected. On the MoPac there was an El Dorado, Kansas and an El Dorado, Arkansas and both were in oil fields and one had a Skelly and the other a Lion Oil refinery. Both were pronounced El-Doe-RAY-doe and the team tracks would sometimes get misdirected equipment will oilfield machinery. The Kansas machinery should have been sent to Arkansas for example. The car might have been sent to Salem, Oregon instead of Salem, Illinois for interchange. Salem, Illinois was in an area where a lot of railroads crossed. Watch someone in Oregon send it to Massachusetts next. Jim Ogden Argyle, Texas
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Re: E&B Valley
Schuyler Larrabee
Thanks, Dennis, for clarifying that it was Fred Brummet, who was the tool maker. I remember (NOW, of course) that he was in at the beginning of Intermountain. The practices of Mr Becker certainly leave something to be desired in the ethics department. It’s unfortunate that he essentially killed a couple of promising companies.
Schuyler
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Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2021 7:02 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] E&B Valley
On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 10:54 AM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
The toolmaker at Front Range Products (AKA Tapp Industries) was Fred Brummet (sp?). He was later one of the founding partners at Intermountain.
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