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Re: Rio Grande Oil Company HO decals special run

Tony Thompson
 

John, given how recently (for your modeling) the Rio Grande sale to Richfield occurred, you could certainly "patch" a Rio Grande Oil paint scheme for ROX reporting marks and number.

Tony Thompson




Re: An unusual car - compressed gas

Tony Thompson
 

Lloyd Keyser wrote:

Pinch gas is made by the railroad and is used for non electrified coach lights. Each car has a storage tank mounted underneath  which is filled before each run. Usually  you can see a gas line down the center of the roof connecting to each of the lamps.

The name was spelled correctly on the CN flat car: it's Pintsch gas -- though Lloyd's spelling captures the pronunciation perfectly.

Tony Thompson




Re: Mis-routed Cars ... was Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Help Identifying Unusual Boxcar (MoPac coke service?)

Bill Keene
 

Proof that railroad modeling is FUN!

Cheers,
— Bill

On Mar 8, 2021, at 11:25 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Attaboy, Bill!  Keep them on their toes.
 
Elden Gatwood
 
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A while back I purchased a Deep Rock Tangent tank car by mistake. Yes. I make my share of them because it keeps life interesting. I thought about putting this critter up for sale. But then I got to thinking … yes … that happens ever full moon … that the Deep Rock car would make a really good “lost” car. 
 
The plan is to place this orphan into the train without a waybill and see what happens. 
 
Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA
 


On Mar 8, 2021, at 11:09 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:
 
Jim;
 
Good observations!
 
I just thought some “entertainment” was in order:  bad order cars, hot boxes, “flat” wheels (bang bang bang), shifted loads, mis-routed cars, the fun never ends!
 
I wish I never made a mistake, but more than once, people definitely got creative in avoiding dropping off hot boxes “there is a car inspector on hand, and his assistant with the oil can and cotton”.  Ah ha.
 
Burning cars I never did adequately represent, but the plan per PRR employees was to figure out what was burning (smoke visible to the cabin), stop for conference, pull forward to grade crossing, call local FD, fail to put out fire, and so on.
 
EVERYONE wanted to get rid of the offal car, so that became an unexpected priority (surprise).  Re-routing on next block NB was “expedited”.  The poor car repairman that had to crawl under in August….
 
Elden Gatwood
 
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Betz
Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 1:42 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Mis-routed Cars ... was Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Help Identifying Unusual Boxcar (MoPac coke service?)
 
Elden,
  And why would you expect your operators to be any less human than
the guys on the 1-1 RRs.  *G*  

  Your operators probably said "If Elden put it in the train it must need to
be delivered somewhere!" - because Elden NEVER makes a mistake.
  Or they might have 'gotten creative' and rolled a waybill in a carcard 
"for you" so that it made "sense" to deliver it.

  Besides - those cars just balanced out the ones they pulled and brought
back to you when the waybill clearly indicated it should stay at right where
it was.  *VBG*
                                                                                      - Jim
 



Re: Mis-routed Cars ... was Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Help Identifying Unusual Boxcar (MoPac coke service?)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Attaboy, Bill!  Keep them on their toes.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Keene via groups.io
Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 2:22 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: Mis-routed Cars ... was Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Help Identifying Unusual Boxcar (MoPac coke service?)

 

A while back I purchased a Deep Rock Tangent tank car by mistake. Yes. I make my share of them because it keeps life interesting. I thought about putting this critter up for sale. But then I got to thinking … yes … that happens ever full moon … that the Deep Rock car would make a really good “lost” car. 

 

The plan is to place this orphan into the train without a waybill and see what happens. 

 

Cheers,

Bill Keene

Irvine, CA

 



On Mar 8, 2021, at 11:09 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

 

Jim;

 

Good observations!

 

I just thought some “entertainment” was in order:  bad order cars, hot boxes, “flat” wheels (bang bang bang), shifted loads, mis-routed cars, the fun never ends!

 

I wish I never made a mistake, but more than once, people definitely got creative in avoiding dropping off hot boxes “there is a car inspector on hand, and his assistant with the oil can and cotton”.  Ah ha.

 

Burning cars I never did adequately represent, but the plan per PRR employees was to figure out what was burning (smoke visible to the cabin), stop for conference, pull forward to grade crossing, call local FD, fail to put out fire, and so on.

 

EVERYONE wanted to get rid of the offal car, so that became an unexpected priority (surprise).  Re-routing on next block NB was “expedited”.  The poor car repairman that had to crawl under in August….

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Betz
Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 1:42 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Mis-routed Cars ... was Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Help Identifying Unusual Boxcar (MoPac coke service?)

 

Elden,
  And why would you expect your operators to be any less human than
the guys on the 1-1 RRs.  *G*  

  Your operators probably said "If Elden put it in the train it must need to
be delivered somewhere!" - because Elden NEVER makes a mistake.
  Or they might have 'gotten creative' and rolled a waybill in a carcard 
"for you" so that it made "sense" to deliver it.

  Besides - those cars just balanced out the ones they pulled and brought
back to you when the waybill clearly indicated it should stay at right where
it was.  *VBG*
                                                                                      - Jim

 


Re: Mis-routed Cars ... was Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Help Identifying Unusual Boxcar (MoPac coke service?)

Bill Keene
 

A while back I purchased a Deep Rock Tangent tank car by mistake. Yes. I make my share of them because it keeps life interesting. I thought about putting this critter up for sale. But then I got to thinking … yes … that happens ever full moon … that the Deep Rock car would make a really good “lost” car. 

The plan is to place this orphan into the train without a waybill and see what happens. 

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Mar 8, 2021, at 11:09 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Jim;
 
Good observations!
 
I just thought some “entertainment” was in order:  bad order cars, hot boxes, “flat” wheels (bang bang bang), shifted loads, mis-routed cars, the fun never ends!
 
I wish I never made a mistake, but more than once, people definitely got creative in avoiding dropping off hot boxes “there is a car inspector on hand, and his assistant with the oil can and cotton”.  Ah ha.
 
Burning cars I never did adequately represent, but the plan per PRR employees was to figure out what was burning (smoke visible to the cabin), stop for conference, pull forward to grade crossing, call local FD, fail to put out fire, and so on.
 
EVERYONE wanted to get rid of the offal car, so that became an unexpected priority (surprise).  Re-routing on next block NB was “expedited”.  The poor car repairman that had to crawl under in August….
 
Elden Gatwood
 
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Betz
Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 1:42 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Mis-routed Cars ... was Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Help Identifying Unusual Boxcar (MoPac coke service?)
 
Elden,
  And why would you expect your operators to be any less human than
the guys on the 1-1 RRs.  *G*  

  Your operators probably said "If Elden put it in the train it must need to
be delivered somewhere!" - because Elden NEVER makes a mistake.
  Or they might have 'gotten creative' and rolled a waybill in a carcard 
"for you" so that it made "sense" to deliver it.

  Besides - those cars just balanced out the ones they pulled and brought
back to you when the waybill clearly indicated it should stay at right where
it was.  *VBG*
                                                                                      - Jim



Re: NJI&I to Wabash at Pine

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Gary,

Interesting data for a rather obscure railway. I've always been intrigued by the rather grandiously-named New Jersey, Indiana & Illinois. The line was actually built by the Singer Sewing Machine interests, and was named for the three states where Singer had plants. The line was sold to the Wabash in 1926, but retained as a separate railroad, which probably got the Wabash a bigger cut of any freight payments. For an 11-mile line the NJ&I had a pretty impressive fleet of boxcars.

Actually Sudebaker wasn't going that strong in 1953. They had serious production delays bringing new models to the market, Ford and GM were in a price war that hurt Sudebaker more than each other, and the production/sales costs of each Studebaker was much higher than comparable GM or Ford products. The next year they merged with failing Packard, which was probably the worst decision Studebaker could have made. What I consider the most beautiful car of the 1950s, the Studebaker Hawk couldn't save them, though the 1960 Lark bought them some time. Fleet sales also kept them going; California, for instance, heavily bought Studebaker autos and pick-up trucks, but the actual profit per unit must have been pretty low. I learned to drive in a 1962 Studebaker Lark, an ex-California Forestry Service car, but that's beyond our period of interest (as well as irrelevant to our discussion).

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 1:07 PM Gary Roe <wabashrr@...> wrote:
I was recently able to acquire 4 pages of "Daily Interchange Report of Cars" from the NJI&I to the Wabash at Pine, Indiana.  For those unfamiliar with the NJI&I, it was a Wabash subsidiary which ran about 11 miles from South Bend to Pine.  The following list is dated 06May53.  It is cars which were left between 11P and midnight for pick up by Eastbound Wabash Train #96.  Employee timetable shows #96 due at Pine around 3A; but a note on the report shows it due at Pine around 9A on 07May.  All cars originated at South Bend.  I am showing Initials, Number, Destination, Contents.

Looks like Studebaker was going strong in 1953!

Hope the formatting comes thru intact.

gary roe
quincy, illinois


Wab  49219   Roxbury MA          Autos
LV   6234    Roxbury MA          Autos
LV   6649    Roxbury MA          Autos
Wab  49348   Bronx NY            Autos
Wab  49162   Warrensburg NY      Autos
Wab  49701   Somersville MA      Autos
Wab  49757   Mariden CT          Autos
LV   6627    Plattsburg NY       Autos
LV   6635    New Haven CT        Autos
LV   6618    Northampton MA      Autos
LV   6305    New Bedford MA      Autos
Wab  49325   Weehawken NJ        Autos
Wab  49136   Weehawken NJ        Autos
Wab  49526   Worcester MA        Autos
PM   83743   *                   Agricultural Implements
Wab  49512   Portsmouth NH       Autos
Wab  49462   Gardner Heywood MA  Autos
Wab  49120   Lynn MA             Autos
CP   294924  Presque Isle ME     Autos
CP   294984  Presque Isle ME     Autos
CP   294952  Cambridge MA        Autos
CN   662759  Detroit MI          Machinery
RDG  32202   Niagara Falls NY    --
RDG  102050  Milan NH            --
C&O  51134   Toledo OH           --
C&O  117019  Toledo OH           --

* Looks like "NY Ltge Sta NJ"
-- Empty


Re: Mis-routed Cars ... was Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Help Identifying Unusual Boxcar (MoPac coke service?)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Jim;

 

Good observations!

 

I just thought some “entertainment” was in order:  bad order cars, hot boxes, “flat” wheels (bang bang bang), shifted loads, mis-routed cars, the fun never ends!

 

I wish I never made a mistake, but more than once, people definitely got creative in avoiding dropping off hot boxes “there is a car inspector on hand, and his assistant with the oil can and cotton”.  Ah ha.

 

Burning cars I never did adequately represent, but the plan per PRR employees was to figure out what was burning (smoke visible to the cabin), stop for conference, pull forward to grade crossing, call local FD, fail to put out fire, and so on.

 

EVERYONE wanted to get rid of the offal car, so that became an unexpected priority (surprise).  Re-routing on next block NB was “expedited”.  The poor car repairman that had to crawl under in August….

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Betz
Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 1:42 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Mis-routed Cars ... was Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Help Identifying Unusual Boxcar (MoPac coke service?)

 

Elden,
  And why would you expect your operators to be any less human than
the guys on the 1-1 RRs.  *G*  

  Your operators probably said "If Elden put it in the train it must need to
be delivered somewhere!" - because Elden NEVER makes a mistake.
  Or they might have 'gotten creative' and rolled a waybill in a carcard
"for you" so that it made "sense" to deliver it.

  Besides - those cars just balanced out the ones they pulled and brought
back to you when the waybill clearly indicated it should stay at right where
it was.  *VBG*
                                                                                      - Jim


Re: BOILER LOADS

Bill Keene
 

With a shipping weight of only 213 pounds I doubt that a flat car was required. I did notice that dimensions were not given in the handbook data … so … the Turboencabulator might be a large item of rather light material. Thinking about this … a flat car might have been necessary. 

Would a PC cab-forward in Utah be in pool service and running off miles to balance the sharing? 

Please post the photo!

Cheers & Giggles,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Mar 8, 2021, at 9:47 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

I have a photo of one of these on a raised-center flat car behind a Penn Central cab forward taken somewhere in Utah.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
Turboencabulator - Wikipedia


Mis-routed Cars ... was Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Help Identifying Unusual Boxcar (MoPac coke service?)

Jim Betz
 

Elden,
  And why would you expect your operators to be any less human than
the guys on the 1-1 RRs.  *G*  

  Your operators probably said "If Elden put it in the train it must need to
be delivered somewhere!" - because Elden NEVER makes a mistake.
  Or they might have 'gotten creative' and rolled a waybill in a carcard
"for you" so that it made "sense" to deliver it.

  Besides - those cars just balanced out the ones they pulled and brought
back to you when the waybill clearly indicated it should stay at right where
it was.  *VBG*
                                                                                      - Jim


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Help Identifying Unusual Boxcar (MoPac coke service?)

CJ Riley <cjriley42@...>
 

In my youth U commuted with a Pennsy man whose job was to locate missing or misrouted cars. A full time job it seemed. The worst were a pair of long missing PRR box cars he finally located in Mexico. The were fully equipped as homes with windows and all and occupied by two families. He wrote them off as wrecked.





Re: Rio Grande Oil Company HO decals special run

Richard Townsend
 

This brings to mind Tony Thompson's trick enabling him to run a tank car decorated for the Mutual Oil Company long after Mutual had been absorbed by Conoco. He heavily weathered the car and changed the reporting marks, but not the number, to CONX. Quite clever, in my estimation.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Parker via groups.io <spottab@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2021 8:25 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rio Grande Oil Company HO decals special run

On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 04:37 AM, John Barry wrote:
Now if I can figure out which of the ROX 10K cars came from the RGOX prototypes for the Tangent cars.
The exact same cars, with the same car numbers, appear as RGOX cars in the 1936 tariff, and as ROX cars in the 1955 edition.  These were cars 201, 203-210, 226-240.  These were (very likely) all 10-kgal GATC 1917 design cars with 256-gal domes.  The tank volumes match exactly across the two tariffs.
 
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: An unusual car - compressed gas

Philip Dove
 

In the late victorian era up to the early 1950s many British railways had coaches lit by Pintsche Gas. in the 1900s there were at least two crashes where the result was far worse due to the gas tanks rupturing and setting fire to the wreckage. The board of trade investigations concluded the gas lighting was a major factor and recommended that Gas lighting was dropped, during the 1920s and 1930s it was used less and less. The Quintinshill disaster in 1915 was topped off by fire when gas lit coaches and a coal train burnt for over 24 hours. It was thought that most of the soldiers were dead before their cremation in the wreckage.

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On Mon, 8 Mar 2021 at 15:26, John Riddell <riddellj@...> wrote:

The CN used old wood second-class coaches in commuter service out of Toronto Union Station into the mid 1950s. Some of these old cars were gas-lit.

 

John Riddell

 

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NJI&I to Wabash at Pine

Gary Roe
 

I was recently able to acquire 4 pages of "Daily Interchange Report of Cars" from the NJI&I to the Wabash at Pine, Indiana.  For those unfamiliar with the NJI&I, it was a Wabash subsidiary which ran about 11 miles from South Bend to Pine.  The following list is dated 06May53.  It is cars which were left between 11P and midnight for pick up by Eastbound Wabash Train #96.  Employee timetable shows #96 due at Pine around 3A; but a note on the report shows it due at Pine around 9A on 07May.  All cars originated at South Bend.  I am showing Initials, Number, Destination, Contents.

Looks like Studebaker was going strong in 1953!

Hope the formatting comes thru intact.

gary roe
quincy, illinois


Wab  49219   Roxbury MA          Autos
LV   6234    Roxbury MA          Autos
LV   6649    Roxbury MA          Autos
Wab  49348   Bronx NY            Autos
Wab  49162   Warrensburg NY      Autos
Wab  49701   Somersville MA      Autos
Wab  49757   Mariden CT          Autos
LV   6627    Plattsburg NY       Autos
LV   6635    New Haven CT        Autos
LV   6618    Northampton MA      Autos
LV   6305    New Bedford MA      Autos
Wab  49325   Weehawken NJ        Autos
Wab  49136   Weehawken NJ        Autos
Wab  49526   Worcester MA        Autos
PM   83743   *                   Agricultural Implements
Wab  49512   Portsmouth NH       Autos
Wab  49462   Gardner Heywood MA  Autos
Wab  49120   Lynn MA             Autos
CP   294924  Presque Isle ME     Autos
CP   294984  Presque Isle ME     Autos
CP   294952  Cambridge MA        Autos
CN   662759  Detroit MI          Machinery
RDG  32202   Niagara Falls NY    --
RDG  102050  Milan NH            --
C&O  51134   Toledo OH           --
C&O  117019  Toledo OH           --

* Looks like "NY Ltge Sta NJ"
-- Empty


Re: BOILER LOADS

Bob Chaparro
 

I have a photo of one of these on a raised-center flat car behind a Penn Central cab forward taken somewhere in Utah.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
Turboencabulator - Wikipedia


Re: Rio Grande Oil Company HO decals special run

Dave Parker
 

On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 04:37 AM, John Barry wrote:
Now if I can figure out which of the ROX 10K cars came from the RGOX prototypes for the Tangent cars.
The exact same cars, with the same car numbers, appear as RGOX cars in the 1936 tariff, and as ROX cars in the 1955 edition.  These were cars 201, 203-210, 226-240.  These were (very likely) all 10-kgal GATC 1917 design cars with 256-gal domes.  The tank volumes match exactly across the two tariffs.
 
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Help Identifying Unusual Boxcar (MoPac coke service?)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Guys;

Absolutely agree. Mis-routing was more common than many folks think.

I stumbled across stacks of correspondence trying to find out where cars disappeared. Sometimes it was intentional, like the routing of the "offal" car. Most often, mis-read destinations.

There were gondolas frequently mis-routed on purpose, to feed local needs. B&O hated the PRR, who scooped up B&O hoppers at every opportunity.

Many mistakes were just made by accident. Numerous cars did get off their intended route by simple cases of creating the wrong destination.

I sometimes threw a "mistake" car in my trains, to see if the operators would notice, and re-route back. Nope.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Ogden
Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 9:37 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Help Identifying Unusual Boxcar (MoPac coke service?)

Maybe the coke car was lost.

One of the things that did happen with alarming frequency is a car would get misdirected. On the MoPac there was an El Dorado, Kansas and an El Dorado, Arkansas and both were in oil fields and one had a Skelly and the other a Lion Oil refinery. Both were pronounced El-Doe-RAY-doe and the team tracks would sometimes get misdirected equipment will oilfield machinery. The Kansas machinery should have been sent to Arkansas for example.

The car might have been sent to Salem, Oregon instead of Salem, Illinois for interchange. Salem, Illinois was in an area where a lot of railroads crossed. Watch someone in Oregon send it to Massachusetts next.

Jim Ogden
Argyle, Texas


Re: Help Identifying Unusual Boxcar (MoPac coke service?)

Richard Townsend
 

If it were misdirected it wouldn’t have been too difficult to confuse Toledo, Or with Toledo. Oh. But didn’t waybills designate routing?


Re: An unusual car - compressed gas

John Riddell
 

The CN used old wood second-class coaches in commuter service out of Toronto Union Station into the mid 1950s. Some of these old cars were gas-lit.

 

John Riddell

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Help Identifying Unusual Boxcar (MoPac coke service?)

Ted Schnepf
 

Hi Jim and list,

The railroads were notorious for mixing up destinations. I was shipping rail out of Casper Wyoming in the 1990's to Crawford, WISCONSIN. About half the loads went to Crawford, NEBRASKA, with several days of delay enroute. Both locations were on the BN.

Ted Schnepf


On Monday, March 8, 2021, 08:36:58 AM CST, Jim Ogden <sjogden@...> wrote:


Maybe the coke car was lost.

One of the things that did happen with alarming frequency is a car would get misdirected.  On the MoPac there was an El Dorado, Kansas and an El Dorado, Arkansas and both were in oil fields and one had a Skelly and the other a Lion Oil refinery.  Both were pronounced El-Doe-RAY-doe and the team tracks would sometimes get misdirected equipment will oilfield machinery.  The Kansas machinery should have been sent to Arkansas for example.

The car might have been sent to Salem, Oregon instead of Salem, Illinois for interchange.  Salem, Illinois was in an area where a lot of railroads crossed.  Watch someone in Oregon send it to Massachusetts next.

Jim Ogden
Argyle, Texas


Re: E&B Valley

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Thanks, Dennis, for clarifying that it was Fred Brummet, who was the tool maker.  I remember (NOW, of course) that he was in at the beginning of Intermountain.  The practices of Mr Becker certainly leave something to be desired in the ethics department.  It’s unfortunate that he essentially killed a couple of promising companies.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2021 7:02 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] E&B Valley

 

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 10:54 AM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

Front Range had their own die cutter, who was somehow connected, eventually, with Intermountain, if only that he cut the dies that IM later acquired.  I spoke with him by phone once, and praised the fact that FR roofs were profiled inside and out reflecting how the panels were shaped.  He remarked that it was actually easier that way and reduced the amount of material required for the parts.

 

The toolmaker at Front Range Products (AKA Tapp Industries) was Fred Brummet (sp?). He was later one of the founding partners at Intermountain.

Fred Becker, owner of Front Range and Brummet's boss, liked to sell tooling services. They tooled the 50' PS-1 for Bill Glass, the 40' PS-1 for Bill McKean, and a GP-9 for some outfit called East Coast Models, IIRC. Becker liked to promote projects, build the tooling, run production all out of proportion to sales, then bill the customer, and take the tools back when the customer wouldn't, or couldn't pay. This is how both the GP-9 and PS-1 ended up in the Front Range product like. Eventually, Becker took the McKean name, too.

Dennis Storzek

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