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Re: 8-hatch reefers
Schuyler Larrabee
That is all very interesting stuff, Ken, thanks for documenting it. I recall John having mentioned at least some of this, probably all of it. He'll be reading this soon. And I agree with your assessment . . .
One typo in your note, it's "Ballard Vale," not "Dale." SGL Dear Schuyler Larrabee, E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13680 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
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Re: Painting Trucks
Ken
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Yes, we use paint stripper to strip entire models. Grit blasting puts an "etch" on slippery plastics that make them far easier to paint. Chemical stripping is intended to be harmless to the plastic including not etching it. Grit blasting transforms shiny metal etched running boards into beautifully "galvanized" pieces of metal. It can be used very selectively on small areas of a finished model. And it can thoroughly remove stubborn bits of paint on delicate parts that remain after chemical stripping. It's an invaluable tool as Richard said. Tim O'Connor
At 11/11/2009 10:09 PM Wednesday, you wrote:
Why is this grit blasting superior to say some kind of paint stripper? Also, what kind of paint stripper works best for taking a model all the way down to bare plastic or brass?
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Re: Bieber cars was New file uploaded to STMFC
SUVCWORR@...
Allen,
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Thanks for clarifying that for me. Rich
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From: Allen Rueter <allen_282@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Wed, Nov 11, 2009 7:47 pm Subject: Re: [STMFC] Bieber cars was New file uploaded to STMFC Rich, they all end with 00 because I'm on page 00. The term page is really means two pages, page 00-a has *000 thru *500, page 00-b has *600-*900 + an overflow. -- Allen Rueter StLouis MO ________________________________ From: "SUVCWORR@..." <SUVCWORR@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 4:45:05 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Bieber cars was New file uploaded to STMFC Anyone else find it strange that so many of these cars end "00" as if the last two digits are being ignored? Or did I miss something in one of the posts that these were ignored? Rich Orr -----Original Message----- From: Andy Sperandeo <asperandeo@mrmag. com> To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com <STMFC@yahoogroups. com> Sent: Wed, Nov 11, 2009 4:44 pm Subject: Re: [STMFC] Bieber cars was New file uploaded to STMFC Here are the i.d.s of the Santa Fe cars, Dave, including the "rd" reefer if it is indeed an "SFRD." Some of the dates are probably rebuild dates, but I didn't look up each car class individually. ATSF 149200, boxcar, class Bx-36, blt. 1940 ATSF 9200, automobile box, class Fe-25, blt. 1942 ATSF 5200, automobile box, class Fe-19, blt. 1939 ATSF 63200, automobile box, class Fe-5, blt. 1936 SFRD 26200, refrigerator car, class Rr-11, blt. 1931 ATSF 142300, boxcar, class Bx-37, built 1941 (one of a very large class of AAR 40-foot cars, 10'-4" i.h., if I remember correctly) ATSF 5300, automobile box, class Fe-19, blt. 1939 I'd be grateful if anyone could identify the other cars. So long, Andy Andy Sperandeo Executive Editor Model Railroader magazine asperandeo@mrmag. com 262-796-8776, ext. 461 FAX 262-796-1142 ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: UP/OSL/OWR&N B-50-27 box car particulars
FRANK PEACOCK
Dick, UP 190600-190699 Equipco/ 190450-190599 Equipco/ 190200-190449 Universal/ 190000-190199 Ajax/ OSL 189600-189899 Ajax/ 189400-189599 Ureco/ OW 189000-189299 Ureco. I don't think that any cars were likely to get wood Rb in the 1950's but without Car Cards who can say. FHP (Frank H. Peacock)
To: timboconnor@...; STMFC@... From: dick.harley4up@... Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:07:59 -0800 Subject: [STMFC] Re: UP/OSL/OWR&N B-50-27 box car particulars On Wed Nov 11, 2009 Tim O'Connor wrote: I'm currently building Red Caboose 40' box car kits: OWR&N 189055, 189157 OSL 189631, 189771 and the diagram lists multiple types of hand brakes, and trucks (all with spring planks) but does not break out the appliances applied to specific car numbers. Does anyone have that information handy? Would any of these cars have received steel running boards by the mid 1950's? Tim, Note that on the Diagram there are four car number series in the Car Builder area and four different Hand Brakes listed. It is not unreasonable to guess that the list of Hand Brakes is sequentially the same as the builders' list of car numbers. It appears that Richard's info agrees with that idea. Can't say that will always work, but it does sometimes. Also, under the Reference Drawings is a listing for "Allocation - Specialties", drawing 283-C-7313. That's the drawing that really tells what was supposed to be built. Sorry, I don't have that one in my collection yet. FWIW, that diagram (F-3-26) was revised on 8-1-69 and 9-1-75, and it still does not list any metal Running Boards. Cheers, Dick Harley Laguna Beach, CA _________________________________________________________________ Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MFESRP&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MFESRP_Local_MapsMenu_Resturants_1x1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: 8-hatch reefers
Kenneth Montero
Dear Schyler Larrabee,
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I checked my collection further, and I was reminded of a different wrinkle. Ambroid's "One of Five Thousand" HO Collector's Item Second Series, a U.S. Navy Helium Gas Tank Car kit, has the following on the instructions: "USNX Helium Tank Car Made for The Ambroid Co. 305 Franklin St. Boston 10, Mass. by Northeastern Scale Models, Inc." It also appears from instructions for other Ambroid kits that Quality Craft later made kits sold as Ambroid kits -- I have at least six such kits. My perusal of Walthers HO catalog going back to 1972 led me to conclude that Ambroid had kits made for Ambroid by Northeastern, which were later marketed by Northeastern under its own name. However, I don't recall seeing the Canadian Pacific 8-hatch reefer being later issued by Northeastern. I haven't checked closely, but I would not be surprised if some of the kits made for Ambroid by Quality Craft later were sold under the Quality Craft label. To make life more interesting, Ambroid moved its address around a bit - I have kits listing Ambroid's address in Taunton, Brockton, Weymouth, and Boston. In addition, Northeastern's address was not always in Methuen -- I have a kit listing its address as being in Ballard Dale, Mass.-- another Ambroid "One of Five Thousand" HO Collector's Item, No. 9, ACL Phosphate Car (with the kit listing Ambroid's address in Weymouth, Mass.). I'll bet John Burroughs can enlighten us further on this, also. He is a wonderful gentleman as well as a knowledgeable model railroader. Ken Montero
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From: "Schuyler Larrabee" <schuyler.larrabee@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:15:49 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: 8-hatch reefers Gene,Very observant, Ken, not many folks have noted that. My very good friend John Burroughs has investigated this, in part because Madewell was sort of around the corner from where John lives. Many of you know John from seeing or meeting him at the Reboxx tables at various shows. John's not on this list (AFAIK). I will ask him if he would mind relating the sequence from Madewell to other manufacturers to Ambroid. IIRC, there are one or two other manufacturers in between. SGL E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13680 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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New file uploaded to STMFC
STMFC@...
Hello,
This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the STMFC group. File : /gn wp station log bieber /bieber-1947-oct-dec-400-500.txt Uploaded by : allen_282 <allen_282@...> Description : freight cars thru bieber ca 1947 oct dec *400 *500 You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files/gn%20wp%20station%20log%20bieber%20/bieber-1947-oct-dec-400-500.txt To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/general.htmlfiles Regards, allen_282 <allen_282@...>
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Re: Media Blasting
Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
GUYZ,
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Bill must be talking about the FGEX truss rod reefer that has sagged to the railhead. And all this time I thought he built it that way. Great scenery for the repair yard. Fred Freitas ducking for cover
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From: Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> Subject: [STMFC] Media Blasting To: STMFC@... Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 10:34 PM I think Dennis meant Harbor Freight instead of "Horrid Freight." I have used baking soda in the summer in Virginia with good results. I was using it outside. I liked it as it was cheap and easy to control. It will not touch brass but I used vinegar to etch this. Regarding using media blasting instead of paint stripper, I am not a chemist but somehow I just think putting such a powerful chemical, whatever it is, on styrene cannot be good for the styrene in the long run. And let me tell, you do not want to use Chameleon paint stripper with resin. You do not want to know how I know this. Bill Welch
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Media Blasting
Bill Welch
I think Dennis meant Harbor Freight instead of "Horrid Freight."
I have used baking soda in the summer in Virginia with good results. I was using it outside. I liked it as it was cheap and easy to control. It will not touch brass but I used vinegar to etch this. Regarding using media blasting instead of paint stripper, I am not a chemist but somehow I just think putting such a powerful chemical, whatever it is, on styrene cannot be good for the styrene in the long run. And let me tell, you do not want to use Chameleon paint stripper with resin. You do not want to know how I know this. Bill Welch
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Re: Painting Trucks
tbarney2004
It is not about stripping paint in the topic's example of painting trucks, but about altering the surface texture of the plastic to give the paint something to adhere to. Paint will NOT adhere well to shiny, slick engineering plastics (the types typically used for trucks). Grit blasting abrades the surface, creating microscopic cracks and crevices and other surface anomalies into which the paint will flow to aid adhesion.
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Tim Barney kenneth broomfield wrote:
Why is this grit blasting superior to say some kind of paint stripper? Also, what kind of paint stripper works best for taking a model all the way down to bare plastic or brass?
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Re: Painting Trucks
Why is this grit blasting superior to say some kind of paint stripper? Also, what kind of paint stripper works best for taking a model all the way down to bare plastic or brass?
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Kenny Broomfield
--- On Wed, 11/11/09, David North <davenorth@...> wrote:
From: David North <davenorth@...> Subject: [STMFC] Re: Painting Trucks To: STMFC@... Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 6:25 PM In addition, I recently bought a Badger "air eraser" kit (just a Tim O'ConnorHi Tim, If you want an even gentler abrasive for that fine partial removal, try Bicarbonate Soda aka Baking Soda. And you can do the blasting outside, which gives you a better view of the work than through the window of the blasting cabinet. Cheers Dave North [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Painting Trucks
"Are you saying you use sand for blasting auto parts??
That is REALLY dangerous to your health". I have never heard of this. I actually have alum oxide in the cabinet but use sand for my big pressure blaster for fenders and what not. Not sure of the grit that it is. "That will leave a rough finish on a plastic model. (As me how I know <g>)" I have actually tried it as well on the grit that I have and your correct it does leave a rough finish. But my question is would it make sense to use some finner things at a lower pressure in the cabinet? Kenny Broomfield
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Re: Salute!
rfederle@...
Add my Salute as well. Lost a cousin in Viet Nam. Dad and and an Uncle just passed away. Dad served in the Navy South Pacific and an Uncle hit Normandy . We owe all Vets alot. THANK YOU.
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Robert Federle ---- Schuyler Larrabee <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:
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Re: 8-hatch reefers
Schuyler Larrabee
Gene,Very observant, Ken, not many folks have noted that. My very good friend John Burroughs has investigated this, in part because Madewell was sort of around the corner from where John lives. Many of you know John from seeing or meeting him at the Reboxx tables at various shows. John's not on this list (AFAIK). I will ask him if he would mind relating the sequence from Madewell to other manufacturers to Ambroid. IIRC, there are one or two other manufacturers in between. SGL E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13680 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
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Re: UP/OSL/OWR&N B-50-27 box car particulars
Dick Harley
On Wed Nov 11, 2009 Tim O'Connor wrote:
I'm currently building Red Caboose 40' box car kits: Tim, Note that on the Diagram there are four car number series in the Car Builder area and four different Hand Brakes listed. It is not unreasonable to guess that the list of Hand Brakes is sequentially the same as the builders' list of car numbers. It appears that Richard's info agrees with that idea. Can't say that will always work, but it does sometimes. Also, under the Reference Drawings is a listing for "Allocation - Specialties", drawing 283-C-7313. That's the drawing that really tells what was supposed to be built. Sorry, I don't have that one in my collection yet. FWIW, that diagram (F-3-26) was revised on 8-1-69 and 9-1-75, and it still does not list any metal Running Boards. Cheers, Dick Harley Laguna Beach, CA
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Re: Salute!
Schuyler Larrabee
Hear, hear!!
SG(4F)L I salute all us vets! E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.13680 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
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Re: Union Pacific A-50-21 box cars
Dick Harley
On Tue Nov 10, 2009 John Gillies asked about UP A-50-21 class number
series. Take a look in the "Files" section of this Yahoo Group for an Excel spreadsheet listing the diagrams/cars in the "UP Freight Car Diagrams 1960". In it, you can find UP car classes and number series, among other things. Note that the A-50-21 class shows up twice - on diagrams F-1-17 and F-2-44. Cheers, Dick Harley Laguna Beach, CA
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Re: Painting Trucks
David North <davenorth@...>
I have a sand blasting cabinet that I use with my auto restoration. Can I
use that to blast HO freight cars? Would I have to change the sand out to what you guys use? I have heard of grit blasting but am not very familer with how fine the grit is. Would the sand blasting cabinet be just a booth and use another thing to clean the cars? Kenny Broomfield Are you saying you use sand for blasting auto parts?? That is REALLY dangerous to your health. I use 150 alum oxide for car parts blasting, at full unregulated pressure from my compressor. That will leave a rough finish on a plastic model. (As me how I know <g>) For model blasting I use a Badger 260. The instructions say to operate at 30psi and never exceed 80psi. Badger provide 220 grit alum oxide for the abrasive blaster. Cheers Dave North
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Re: Bieber cars was New file uploaded to STMFC
Allen Rueter
Rich,
they all end with 00 because I'm on page 00. The term page is really means two pages, page 00-a has *000 thru *500, page 00-b has *600-*900 + an overflow. -- Allen Rueter StLouis MO ________________________________ From: "SUVCWORR@..." <SUVCWORR@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 4:45:05 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Bieber cars was New file uploaded to STMFC Anyone else find it strange that so many of these cars end "00" as if the last two digits are being ignored? Or did I miss something in one of the posts that these were ignored? Rich Orr -----Original Message----- From: Andy Sperandeo <asperandeo@mrmag. com> To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com <STMFC@yahoogroups. com> Sent: Wed, Nov 11, 2009 4:44 pm Subject: Re: [STMFC] Bieber cars was New file uploaded to STMFC Here are the i.d.s of the Santa Fe cars, Dave, including the "rd" reefer if it is indeed an "SFRD." Some of the dates are probably rebuild dates, but I didn't look up each car class individually. ATSF 149200, boxcar, class Bx-36, blt. 1940 ATSF 9200, automobile box, class Fe-25, blt. 1942 ATSF 5200, automobile box, class Fe-19, blt. 1939 ATSF 63200, automobile box, class Fe-5, blt. 1936 SFRD 26200, refrigerator car, class Rr-11, blt. 1931 ATSF 142300, boxcar, class Bx-37, built 1941 (one of a very large class of AAR 40-foot cars, 10'-4" i.h., if I remember correctly) ATSF 5300, automobile box, class Fe-19, blt. 1939 I'd be grateful if anyone could identify the other cars. So long, Andy Andy Sperandeo Executive Editor Model Railroader magazine asperandeo@mrmag. com 262-796-8776, ext. 461 FAX 262-796-1142 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Express box brake system layout
Bud Rindfleisch
--- In STMFC@..., "steve l" <stevelucas3@...> wrote:
Bud Rindfleisch
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Salute!
Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
I salute all us vets!
Clark Propst Mason City Iowa
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