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Re: 8-hatch reefers

Schuyler Larrabee
 

That is all very interesting stuff, Ken, thanks for documenting it. I recall John having mentioned at least some of this, probably all of it. He'll be reading this soon. And I agree with your assessment . . .

One typo in your note, it's "Ballard Vale," not "Dale."

SGL

Dear Schuyler Larrabee,

I checked my collection further, and I was reminded of a different wrinkle.

Ambroid's "One of Five Thousand" HO Collector's Item Second Series, a U.S. Navy Helium Gas Tank Car kit, has the
following on the instructions: "USNX Helium Tank Car Made for The Ambroid Co. 305 Franklin St. Boston 10, Mass.
by Northeastern Scale Models, Inc." It also appears from instructions for other Ambroid kits that Quality Craft later
made kits sold as Ambroid kits -- I have at least six such kits. My perusal of Walthers HO catalog going back to 1972
led me to conclude that Ambroid had kits made for Ambroid by Northeastern, which were later marketed by
Northeastern under its own name. However, I don't recall seeing the Canadian Pacific 8-hatch reefer being later issued
by Northeastern.

I haven't checked closely, but I would not be surprised if some of the kits made for Ambroid by Quality Craft later were
sold under the Quality Craft label.

To make life more interesting, Ambroid moved its address around a bit - I have kits listing Ambroid's address in
Taunton, Brockton, Weymouth, and Boston. In addition, Northeastern's address was not always in Methuen -- I have a
kit listing its address as being in Ballard Dale, Mass.-- another Ambroid "One of Five Thousand" HO Collector's Item,
No. 9, ACL Phosphate Car (with the kit listing Ambroid's address in Weymouth, Mass.).

I'll bet John Burroughs can enlighten us further on this, also. He is a wonderful gentleman as well as a knowledgeable
model railroader.

Ken Montero

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Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:15:49 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: 8-hatch reefers

Gene,

I have a blue box Ambroid kit no. K-14 is a "C.P (Canadian Pacific) 8-Hat Reefer". The instructions say that the kit
was
designed and manufactured by Madewell Company, Inc., 15 Main Street, Waltham 54, Massachusetts. The instructions
also give that firm as the source for spare parts, Is this name a predecessor or subsidiary of Ambroid or Northeastern
(both of whom seemed to have had the same kit at different times)?

Ken Montero
Very observant, Ken, not many folks have noted that. My very good friend John Burroughs has investigated this, in part
because Madewell was sort of around the corner from where John lives. Many of you know John from seeing or meeting
him at the Reboxx tables at various shows.

John's not on this list (AFAIK). I will ask him if he would mind relating the sequence from Madewell to other
manufacturers to Ambroid. IIRC, there are one or two other manufacturers in between.

SGL

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Re: Painting Trucks

Tim O'Connor
 

Ken

Yes, we use paint stripper to strip entire models. Grit blasting
puts an "etch" on slippery plastics that make them far easier to
paint. Chemical stripping is intended to be harmless to the plastic
including not etching it. Grit blasting transforms shiny metal
etched running boards into beautifully "galvanized" pieces of metal.
It can be used very selectively on small areas of a finished model.
And it can thoroughly remove stubborn bits of paint on delicate
parts that remain after chemical stripping. It's an invaluable tool
as Richard said.

Tim O'Connor

At 11/11/2009 10:09 PM Wednesday, you wrote:
Why is this grit blasting superior to say some kind of paint stripper? Also, what kind of paint stripper works best for taking a model all the way down to bare plastic or brass?
�
Kenny Broomfield


Re: Bieber cars was New file uploaded to STMFC

SUVCWORR@...
 

Allen,

Thanks for clarifying that for me.

Rich

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Sent: Wed, Nov 11, 2009 7:47 pm
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Rich,
they all end with 00 because I'm on page 00. The term page is really means
two pages,
page 00-a has *000 thru *500, page 00-b has *600-*900 + an overflow.

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Allen Rueter
StLouis MO




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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Bieber cars was New file uploaded to STMFC



Anyone else find it strange that so many of these cars end "00" as if the last
two digits are being ignored? Or did I miss something in one of the posts that
these were ignored?

Rich Orr

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Sent: Wed, Nov 11, 2009 4:44 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Bieber cars was New file uploaded to STMFC

Here are the i.d.s of the Santa Fe cars, Dave, including the "rd" reefer if it
is indeed an "SFRD." Some of the dates are probably rebuild dates, but I didn't
look up each car class individually.

ATSF 149200, boxcar, class Bx-36, blt. 1940
ATSF 9200, automobile box, class Fe-25, blt. 1942
ATSF 5200, automobile box, class Fe-19, blt. 1939
ATSF 63200, automobile box, class Fe-5, blt. 1936
SFRD 26200, refrigerator car, class Rr-11, blt. 1931
ATSF 142300, boxcar, class Bx-37, built 1941 (one of a very large class of AAR
40-foot cars, 10'-4" i.h., if I remember correctly)
ATSF 5300, automobile box, class Fe-19, blt. 1939

I'd be grateful if anyone could identify the other cars.

So long,

Andy

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Re: UP/OSL/OWR&N B-50-27 box car particulars

FRANK PEACOCK
 

Dick, UP 190600-190699 Equipco/ 190450-190599 Equipco/ 190200-190449 Universal/ 190000-190199 Ajax/ OSL 189600-189899 Ajax/ 189400-189599 Ureco/ OW 189000-189299 Ureco. I don't think that any cars were likely to get wood Rb in the 1950's but without Car Cards who can say. FHP (Frank H. Peacock)

To: timboconnor@...; STMFC@...
From: dick.harley4up@...
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:07:59 -0800
Subject: [STMFC] Re: UP/OSL/OWR&N B-50-27 box car particulars






























On Wed Nov 11, 2009 Tim O'Connor wrote:



I'm currently building Red Caboose 40' box car kits:
OWR&N 189055, 189157
OSL 189631, 189771
and the diagram lists multiple types of hand brakes, and trucks
(all with spring planks) but does not break out the appliances
applied to specific car numbers. Does anyone have that information
handy? Would any of these cars have received steel running boards
by the mid 1950's?


Tim,

Note that on the Diagram there are four car number series in the Car

Builder area and four different Hand Brakes listed. It is not

unreasonable to guess that the list of Hand Brakes is sequentially

the same as the builders' list of car numbers. It appears that

Richard's info agrees with that idea. Can't say that will always

work, but it does sometimes.



Also, under the Reference Drawings is a listing for "Allocation -

Specialties", drawing 283-C-7313. That's the drawing that really

tells what was supposed to be built. Sorry, I don't have that one in

my collection yet.



FWIW, that diagram (F-3-26) was revised on 8-1-69 and 9-1-75, and it

still does not list any metal Running Boards.



Cheers,

Dick Harley

Laguna Beach, CA


















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Re: 8-hatch reefers

Kenneth Montero
 

Dear Schyler Larrabee,

I checked my collection further, and I was reminded of a different wrinkle.

Ambroid's "One of Five Thousand" HO Collector's Item Second Series, a U.S. Navy Helium Gas Tank Car kit, has the following on the instructions: "USNX Helium Tank Car Made for The Ambroid Co. 305 Franklin St. Boston 10, Mass. by Northeastern Scale Models, Inc." It also appears from instructions for other Ambroid kits that Quality Craft later made kits sold as Ambroid kits -- I have at least six such kits. My perusal of Walthers HO catalog going back to 1972 led me to conclude that Ambroid had kits made for Ambroid by Northeastern, which were later marketed by Northeastern under its own name. However, I don't recall seeing the Canadian Pacific 8-hatch reefer being later issued by Northeastern.

I haven't checked closely, but I would not be surprised if some of the kits made for Ambroid by Quality Craft later were sold under the Quality Craft label.

To make life more interesting, Ambroid moved its address around a bit - I have kits listing Ambroid's address in Taunton, Brockton, Weymouth, and Boston. In addition, Northeastern's address was not always in Methuen -- I have a kit listing its address as being in Ballard Dale, Mass.-- another Ambroid "One of Five Thousand" HO Collector's Item, No. 9, ACL Phosphate Car (with the kit listing Ambroid's address in Weymouth, Mass.).

I'll bet John Burroughs can enlighten us further on this, also. He is a wonderful gentleman as well as a knowledgeable model railroader.

Ken Montero

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Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:15:49 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: 8-hatch reefers






Gene,

I have a blue box Ambroid kit no. K-14 is a "C.P (Canadian Pacific) 8-Hat Reefer". The instructions say that the kit was
designed and manufactured by Madewell Company, Inc., 15 Main Street, Waltham 54, Massachusetts. The instructions
also give that firm as the source for spare parts, Is this name a predecessor or subsidiary of Ambroid or Northeastern
(both of whom seemed to have had the same kit at different times)?

Ken Montero
Very observant, Ken, not many folks have noted that. My very good friend John Burroughs has investigated this, in part because Madewell was sort of around the corner from where John lives. Many of you know John from seeing or meeting him at the Reboxx tables at various shows.

John's not on this list (AFAIK). I will ask him if he would mind relating the sequence from Madewell to other manufacturers to Ambroid. IIRC, there are one or two other manufacturers in between.

SGL

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Re: Media Blasting

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

GUYZ,
 
           Bill must be talking about the FGEX truss rod reefer that has sagged to the railhead. And all this time I thought he built it that way. Great scenery for the repair yard.
 
Fred Freitas
 
ducking for cover

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:


From: Bill Welch <fgexbill@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Media Blasting
To: STMFC@...
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 10:34 PM


 



I think Dennis meant Harbor Freight instead of "Horrid Freight."

I have used baking soda in the summer in Virginia with good results.
I was using it outside. I liked it as it was cheap and easy to
control. It will not touch brass but I used vinegar to etch this.

Regarding using media blasting instead of paint stripper, I am not a
chemist but somehow I just think putting such a powerful chemical,
whatever it is, on styrene cannot be good for the styrene in the long
run. And let me tell, you do not want to use Chameleon paint stripper
with resin. You do not want to know how I know this.

Bill Welch


Media Blasting

Bill Welch
 

I think Dennis meant Harbor Freight instead of "Horrid Freight."

I have used baking soda in the summer in Virginia with good results. I was using it outside. I liked it as it was cheap and easy to control. It will not touch brass but I used vinegar to etch this.

Regarding using media blasting instead of paint stripper, I am not a chemist but somehow I just think putting such a powerful chemical, whatever it is, on styrene cannot be good for the styrene in the long run. And let me tell, you do not want to use Chameleon paint stripper with resin. You do not want to know how I know this.

Bill Welch


Re: Painting Trucks

tbarney2004
 

It is not about stripping paint in the topic's example of painting trucks, but about altering the surface texture of the plastic to give the paint something to adhere to. Paint will NOT adhere well to shiny, slick engineering plastics (the types typically used for trucks). Grit blasting abrades the surface, creating microscopic cracks and crevices and other surface anomalies into which the paint will flow to aid adhesion.

Tim Barney

kenneth broomfield wrote:

Why is this grit blasting superior to say some kind of paint stripper? Also, what kind of paint stripper works best for taking a model all the way down to bare plastic or brass?
Kenny Broomfield

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, David North <davenorth@...> wrote:


From: David North <davenorth@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Painting Trucks
To: STMFC@...
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 6:25 PM






In addition, I recently bought a Badger "air eraser" kit (just a
bottle with some grit and a tip) and I have hooked this up with my
grit booth. I find I can safely remove small amounts of lettering
with very fine control, and I've even started using it as a
weathering tool. For example, I use it to "whiten" freight car
lettering which I have hit a little too hard with grime. In another
case I had a box car with a primer coat of "galvanized metal" color
and an overcoat of box car red. I was able to remove some of the top
layer so the galvanized color showed through. Very cool!


Re: Painting Trucks

kenneth broomfield
 

Why is this grit blasting superior to say some kind of paint stripper? Also, what kind of paint stripper works best for taking a model all the way down to bare plastic or brass?
 
Kenny Broomfield

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, David North <davenorth@...> wrote:


From: David North <davenorth@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Painting Trucks
To: STMFC@...
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 6:25 PM


 



In addition, I recently bought a Badger "air eraser" kit (just a
bottle with some grit and a tip) and I have hooked this up with my
grit booth. I find I can safely remove small amounts of lettering
with very fine control, and I've even started using it as a
weathering tool. For example, I use it to "whiten" freight car
lettering which I have hit a little too hard with grime. In another
case I had a box car with a primer coat of "galvanized metal" color
and an overcoat of box car red. I was able to remove some of the top
layer so the galvanized color showed through. Very cool!
Tim O'Connor
Hi Tim,

If you want an even gentler abrasive for that fine partial removal, try
Bicarbonate Soda aka Baking Soda.

And you can do the blasting outside, which gives you a better view of the
work than through the window of the blasting cabinet.

Cheers

Dave North

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Re: Painting Trucks

kenneth broomfield
 

"Are you saying you use sand for blasting auto parts??

That is REALLY dangerous to your health".

I have never heard of this. I actually have alum oxide in the cabinet but use sand for my big pressure blaster for fenders and what not. Not sure of the grit that it is.

"That will leave a rough finish on a plastic model. (As me how I know <g>)"

I have actually tried it as well on the grit that I have and your correct it does leave a rough finish. But my question is would it make sense to use some finner things at a lower pressure in the cabinet?

Kenny Broomfield


Re: Salute!

rfederle@...
 

Add my Salute as well. Lost a cousin in Viet Nam. Dad and and an Uncle just passed away. Dad served in the Navy South Pacific and an Uncle hit Normandy . We owe all Vets alot. THANK YOU.

Robert Federle
---- Schuyler Larrabee <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:


Hear, hear!!

SG(4F)L

I salute all us vets!
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Mason City Iowa




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Re: 8-hatch reefers

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Gene,

I have a blue box Ambroid kit no. K-14 is a "C.P (Canadian Pacific) 8-Hat Reefer". The instructions say that the kit was
designed and manufactured by Madewell Company, Inc., 15 Main Street, Waltham 54, Massachusetts. The instructions
also give that firm as the source for spare parts, Is this name a predecessor or subsidiary of Ambroid or Northeastern
(both of whom seemed to have had the same kit at different times)?

Ken Montero
Very observant, Ken, not many folks have noted that. My very good friend John Burroughs has investigated this, in part because Madewell was sort of around the corner from where John lives. Many of you know John from seeing or meeting him at the Reboxx tables at various shows.

John's not on this list (AFAIK). I will ask him if he would mind relating the sequence from Madewell to other manufacturers to Ambroid. IIRC, there are one or two other manufacturers in between.

SGL





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Re: UP/OSL/OWR&N B-50-27 box car particulars

Dick Harley
 

On Wed Nov 11, 2009 Tim O'Connor wrote:

I'm currently building Red Caboose 40' box car kits:
OWR&N 189055, 189157
OSL 189631, 189771

and the diagram lists multiple types of hand brakes, and trucks (all with spring planks) but does not break out the appliances applied to specific car numbers. Does anyone have that information handy? Would any of these cars have received steel running boards by the mid 1950's?

Tim,
Note that on the Diagram there are four car number series in the Car Builder area and four different Hand Brakes listed. It is not unreasonable to guess that the list of Hand Brakes is sequentially the same as the builders' list of car numbers. It appears that Richard's info agrees with that idea. Can't say that will always work, but it does sometimes.

Also, under the Reference Drawings is a listing for "Allocation - Specialties", drawing 283-C-7313. That's the drawing that really tells what was supposed to be built. Sorry, I don't have that one in my collection yet.

FWIW, that diagram (F-3-26) was revised on 8-1-69 and 9-1-75, and it still does not list any metal Running Boards.

Cheers,
Dick Harley
Laguna Beach, CA


Re: Salute!

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Hear, hear!!

SG(4F)L

I salute all us vets!
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa




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Re: Union Pacific A-50-21 box cars

Dick Harley
 

On Tue Nov 10, 2009 John Gillies asked about UP A-50-21 class number
series.

Take a look in the "Files" section of this Yahoo Group for an Excel
spreadsheet listing the diagrams/cars in the "UP Freight Car Diagrams
1960". In it, you can find UP car classes and number series, among
other things.

Note that the A-50-21 class shows up twice - on diagrams F-1-17 and
F-2-44.

Cheers,
Dick Harley
Laguna Beach, CA


Re: Painting Trucks

David North <davenorth@...>
 

I have a sand blasting cabinet that I use with my auto restoration. Can I
use that to blast HO freight cars? Would I have to change the sand out to
what you guys use? I have heard of grit blasting but am not very familer
with how fine the grit is. Would the sand blasting cabinet be just a booth
and use another thing to clean the cars?
Kenny Broomfield











Are you saying you use sand for blasting auto parts??

That is REALLY dangerous to your health.



I use 150 alum oxide for car parts blasting, at full unregulated pressure
from my compressor.

That will leave a rough finish on a plastic model. (As me how I know <g>)



For model blasting I use a Badger 260. The instructions say to operate at
30psi and never exceed 80psi.

Badger provide 220 grit alum oxide for the abrasive blaster.

Cheers

Dave North


Re: Bieber cars was New file uploaded to STMFC

Allen Rueter
 

Rich,
they all end with 00 because I'm on page 00. The term page is really means two pages,
page 00-a has *000 thru *500, page 00-b has *600-*900 + an overflow.

--
Allen Rueter
StLouis MO




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Anyone else find it strange that so many of these cars end "00" as if the last two digits are being ignored? Or did I miss something in one of the posts that these were ignored?

Rich Orr

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Sent: Wed, Nov 11, 2009 4:44 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Bieber cars was New file uploaded to STMFC

Here are the i.d.s of the Santa Fe cars, Dave, including the "rd" reefer if it
is indeed an "SFRD." Some of the dates are probably rebuild dates, but I didn't
look up each car class individually.

ATSF 149200, boxcar, class Bx-36, blt. 1940
ATSF 9200, automobile box, class Fe-25, blt. 1942
ATSF 5200, automobile box, class Fe-19, blt. 1939
ATSF 63200, automobile box, class Fe-5, blt. 1936
SFRD 26200, refrigerator car, class Rr-11, blt. 1931
ATSF 142300, boxcar, class Bx-37, built 1941 (one of a very large class of AAR
40-foot cars, 10'-4" i.h., if I remember correctly)
ATSF 5300, automobile box, class Fe-19, blt. 1939

I'd be grateful if anyone could identify the other cars.

So long,

Andy

Andy Sperandeo
Executive Editor
Model Railroader magazine
asperandeo@mrmag. com
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Re: Express box brake system layout

Bud Rindfleisch
 

--- In STMFC@..., "steve l" <stevelucas3@...> wrote:


I'd imagine that the same brake gear could very well have been used. Troop sleepers used two sets of Wabco AB-1-B brake gear. It is similar in appearance to freight AB gear, the only difference being that the control valve was fitted for graduated release to work in passenger trains.

Steve Lucas.

-
Steve, That was my thought too. I have seen the drawings for the Pullman troop sleepers, can't vouch for their accuracy though. (MR drawings)
Bud Rindfleisch


Salute!

Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
 

I salute all us vets!
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

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