1. main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
  2. Messages
   Date   
Re: What to do with my Trix tank cars?

spsalso
 

Thanks for the responses. Usually I do my research BEFORE asking a
question--this time it's after. I went back to the group archives
and discovered some "disapproval" of the Trix cars--I certainly don't
disagree. I wondered if I could make lemonade.

I went to Kaminski's ACF book and found on page 66 a photo of a
Hooker tank car that looks pretty similar to the Trix car, except
that it's listed as a 4000 gallon car. With that, I developed a plan:

Remove tank from underframe. Sacrifice tank for the dome, and tank
ends (and maybe ladders and railings). Make new tank out of K&S
brass tubing (21/32 dia.) and file down Trix ends to fit inside. Re-
assemble. Add missing underframe section & real couplers (and
trucks?). Paint black and letter with many many many little decal
pieces for cars in the series HOKX 301-370. Hope that Hooker used
white lettering. And black paint.

I researched the cars in the ORER from 1945 off and on 'til their
demise. The ORER shows them as 3131 gal cars & 60,000 lbs capy.
#351 was built in September 1925 according to the book. There was a
"collection" of cars numbered from 301 to 370. All have the same
"dimensions" from the ORER, so I'm assuming they were similar cars
ordered at different times.

In 1945, there were about 70; in 1950, 64 (one converted to propane
at the time); in 1956, 51 in 1961, 21; in 1965 and 1970, 11; in 1976,
4 (337, 341, 352, 356); and none in 1980. Wow, cars built maybe in
the '20's lasting to 1976.

It's interesting that the "hotbeds" of chlorine production are Tacoma
and Niagara Falls. I'm figuring it's the electricity (Tacoma and
Bonneville--Bonneville coming online in 1937).

Ed

Edward Sutorik
Re: Tank Car Info

Richard Hendrickson
 

I just realized that, in my response to Armand, I overlooked PGX 54
and PQX 54. PGX 54 is apparently a recording error; the PGX
reporting marks were not in use in 1950. PQX were the reporting
marks for the Philadelphia Quartz Co., and PQX 54 was one of cars
numbered 47, 49, 50, and 55 which were, like almost all of the
company's 118 tank cars, AAR class TM with 50 tons nominal
capacity. The low numbers and the gaps in the number sequence
suggest that these were older cars, some of which had been wrecked
or retired. They were probably 8,000 gal. cars, though PQX did
have a few 10,000 gal. cars, and were certainly ICC-203s or the
earlier equivalent thereof, i.e. with single frangible disk vents
instead of safety valves, as all PQX cars were used in silicate of
soda service and that 's a non-regulatory commodity.

Richard Hendrickson
Re: Tank Car Info

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Richard Hendrickson wrote:
SHPX 25306: no such car number in the 10/50 ORER.
I'm pretty sure this is an SHPX covered hopper, not a tank car.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history
Re: book for sale

Hugh Guillaume
 

First, a thank you to Mike Brock for permitting to make this post.

Second, I have one copy of The Postwar Freight Car Fleet by Kline and
Culotta for sale. It is in very fine condition, with original dust jacket plus a
clear plastic cover over the dust jacket. I have only one copy. I have
nothing else to sell.

I am asking $89 for the book. This price will include book rate postage.
Faster shipping will cost more, unfortunately. Insurance will also add a bit
more to the total.

This is a 240-page hardcover book published by the NMRA in 2006. I believe
that it is out of print.

Hugh T. Guillaume



**************Need a job? Find an employment agency near you.
(http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000003)
Re: truck type question

Earl Tuson
 

ARA Type Y, which was, of course, derived from the PRR 2DF8 design.
In the 6/93 Model Railroading, Martin Lofton discussed PRR freight car trucks. He states that PRR classed ARA Y trucks 2D-F4. He further wrote that the PRR V-9306 sideframe, used on 2D-F8 and other PRR trucks, was a refinement of the ARA Y and intended to solve a design failure inherent in the ARA Y design. Mr. Lofton quotes a Railway Mechanical Engineering report with loadings to failure, etc. Were errors introduced into one place or the other?

Earl Tuson
Re: Old Kits

Andy Carlson
 

I am reminded about the time when I registered with the STMFC group and my first posting. I knew very little about modeling the Lionel missle launcher car, and I received some very courteous responses. I have never felt insulted beyond a few dozen times. I hope our Varney friend stays with us long enough to advise us.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
Re: Tank Car Info

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Feb 16, 2009, at 7:07 AM, A. Premo wrote:
Group,I am seeking information as to the type and capacity of the
following tank cars :GATX 32071 ,4251 :SHPX 25306 ,3285 : UTLX
99988 ,92725
:PGX 54 :PQX 54.Any help will be appreciated.







With Armand's date of 12/50, I looked these cars up in the 10/50
ORER, then check my photo files and other data files, and here's what
I found:

GATX 32071: AAR class TPI, 50 tons nominal capacity. As usual with
GATC, this car is in a number series that includes a dog's breakfast
of cars ranging from 6K gal. chlorine cars to 10.5K gal. LPG cars.
Could be almost any insulated, high pressure car.

GATX 4251: AAR class TM, 40 tons nom. capy. This squares with the
data Charlie Dean had on the car. I have photos of a couple of other
cars in the series, but though they're 8,000 gal. ARA IIIs, they were
built by different builders (STC and AC&F), so GATX 4251 could be
almost any type of 8K gal. ARA III or ICC -103.

SHPX 25306: no such car number in the 10/50 ORER.

SHPX 3285: AAR class TA, ICC class 105A-300W, nominal capacity 40
tons. Like GATC, Shippers lumped large batches of disparate cars
under the same number series in the ORERs. However, we know from the
class designation that this was a high pressure acid car with a
welded tank, and the weight capacity indicates that it was no larger
than 8K gals., possibly 7K gals. (which was a common size for acid
tanks).

UTLX 99988: series 99500-99999, AAR class TPI, ICC class 105-300W.
These were all UTL-design (their class X-5-300) 11,000 gal. LPG
cars. I have a photo of UTLX 99529 with a built date in 1939, but
other cars in the series appear to have been built later.

UTLX 92725: series 91000-93999, AAR class TPI, ICC class 1050-300W.
UTL design (their class X-5-300) 11,000 gal. LPG cars. I have a
builder's photo of UTLX 92001 dated 5/48 and in-service photos of
91836 and 92042.

I hope this is helpful.

Richard Hendrickson
Re: Tank Car Info

armprem
 

Thank you.Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Dean" <tank.cars@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Tank Car Info


I have GATX 4251 with heater coils, tank capacity 8044 gal, dome capacity 198 gal.

Best regards,

Charlie

Charles Dean
Shelbyville, Kentucky
----- Original Message -----
From: A. Premo
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 10:07 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Tank Car Info


Group,I am seeking information as to the type and capacity of the
following tank cars :GATX 32071 ,4251 :SHPX 25306 ,3285 : UTLX 99988 ,92725
:PGX 54 :PQX 54.Any help will be appreciated.Armand Premo







------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links





--
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG.
Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.23/1951 - Release Date: 2/13/2009 6:51 AM
Re: Intermountain WWII War Emergency cars

spsalso
 

--- In STMFC@..., "jerryglow2" <jerryglow@...> wrote:

HUH? Best of my knowledge, MP didn't own any did you mean NP
perhaps?
Sometimes you have to monitor the muckrackers as well.... <G>

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@>
wrote:

Tim, before someone goes to the trouble of making replacement
roofs,
IM assures us that they plan to do the ATSF, MP, etc. cars with
the
correct roofs at some point in the not too distant future.

Richard Hendrickson
If we're really talking here about doing the NP version of the war
emergency cars, Intermountain will have to make new sides, as the
NP's were radically different (visually). Think that'll happen?
Mayyyyybe. It'd be nice.

Ed

Edward Sutorik
Re: Athearn and Atlas tank comparison

Charles Dean
 

Walter,

Ask this same question on one of these lists:

modern_tank_cars@...

MFCL@... (modern freight car list)

You'll get a prompt and accurate response.

Best regards,

Charlie

Charles Dean
Shelbyville, Kentucky

----- Original Message -----
From: Walter Gay
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Athearn and Atlas tank comparison


Sorry, I guess I joined the wrong list!! I wont bother you again.

Walt

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Smith" <smithbf@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Athearn and Atlas tank comparison

>
> On Feb 16, 2009, at 1:13 PM, Walter Gay wrote:
>
>> The new Athearn 20900 gal non-insulated tank is almost I dentical
>> to the
>> Atlas 20,700 gal tank but is about 8 feet shorter. Is either correct?
>>
>> Walt Gay
>
> Walt,
>
> I don't think that either of those is a steam era freight car and
> therefore they are not within the purview of this list. You might
> want to ask on a list that considers a more modern era relevant.
>
> Regards
> Bruce
>
> Bruce F. Smith
> Auburn, AL
> http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2
>
> "Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
> __
> / &#92;
> __<+--+>________________&#92;__/___ ________________________________
> |- ______/ O O &#92;_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ |
> | / 4999 PENNSYLVANIA 4999 &#92; | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||
> |/_____________________________&#92;|_|________________________________|
> | O--O &#92;0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
Re: NP reefer and stock car roof widths and late service truss rod reefers

Jim and Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

The CV stock car roof is too wide because the body is too wide. Do I remember that the body was deliberately made wider than it should be for truck clearance reasons?

I find it hard to believe the roof of the Norwest NP90000 series reefer is too wide. I urged Brian Pate to create that NP reefer model and spent half a day with him measuring and photographing a surviving example of the real thing. If the roof is too wide then the ends must be too wide also. Could it be two different ways of measuring? Brian produced mostly Canadian prototype models and is noted for the accuracy of his kits. Those who go to http://www.promodelbuilders.com/norwest/index.htm <http://www.promodelbuilders.com/norwest/index.htm>
will note that sales of all Norwest kits including the NP reefer terminated yesterday. I am working with Brian Pate and Ted Cullota, trying to convince both of them that Ted's adopting the NP reefer kit would be a good thing. Hopefully, this great kit will be resurrected. It's an important model for those who model NP reefer operations.

The Norwest 90000 series kit would have required only minor kitbashing to create a model of the 94000 series. The exterior measurements of the 1917 (94400-94899), 1922 (93000-93999) and 1931-32 (90000-90999) series were within an inch or two of each other.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon


BaylorMax@... wrote:


Good morning, all,

I've been scratch building a model of an NP 94400 - 94899 reefer. NP reefer
roof widths are a puzzlement.

Let's start with the CV stock car kit. It is accepted that the roof is
about 6" too wide. I measure it at about 10' 5 1/4". Take 6 inches out to match
the new ends from the NPRH and it looks great.

Now let's look at the roof width of the Northwest Models kit. I measure it
at about 10 ' 4 1/4", which still seems wide. The erection diagram on the
NPRH web site shows width over fascia of 9' 11 3/4 " for series 94400 to 94899
cars which seems to match other refrigerator cars. I read that the people
who made the Northwest Models kit took their measurements from an existing car
in Yakima.

So, any thoughts as to why or whether the roof widths on the various cars
may vary by 6" or so? I wonder if this may be the source for the error in the
width of the stock car roof?

I've built my car with a width over fascia of 9' 11 3/4." It just seems to
match other cars and the diagram. It does not exhibit quite the bulk of some
of the photos of other reefers I've seen.

One other note. On page 245 of Schrenck and Frey's Classic Steam Era is a
photo of a G-1 pushing an NP truss rod reefer on September 5, 1955.
Apparently all such cars were not rebuilt with all steel underframes by then. Were
the K brakes converted to AB brakes, however? Did any of the truss rod
reefers have side and end ladders rather than grab irons on the ends and sides?

It's enough to drive a modeler mad!

Just curious as to others' thoughts. Thanks, all.

Steve Barkley

__._,
Re: truck type question

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Feb 16, 2009, at 11:48 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Is this truck a 2DF8 or Type Y?
http://images.google.com/hosted/life/f?q=freight+car
+source:life&imgurl=




ARA Type Y, which was, of course, derived from the PRR 2DF8 design.

Richard Hendrickson
Re: Tank Car Info

Charles Dean
 

I have GATX 4251 with heater coils, tank capacity 8044 gal, dome capacity 198 gal.

Best regards,

Charlie

Charles Dean
Shelbyville, Kentucky

----- Original Message -----
From: A. Premo
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 10:07 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Tank Car Info


Group,I am seeking information as to the type and capacity of the
following tank cars :GATX 32071 ,4251 :SHPX 25306 ,3285 : UTLX 99988 ,92725
:PGX 54 :PQX 54.Any help will be appreciated.Armand Premo
Railroad prototype Modelers Seminar

Larry Kline
 

1:00pm Friday, March 27 through 11:00pm Saturday, March 28, 2009
Sheraton Four Points Hotel. Route 30 East, Greensburg, PA.
Room rate: $95.00 plus tax. (724) 836-6060 Mention “Prototype
Modeler’s Meet”
http://www.fourpointsgreensburg.com

Speakers: Paul Backentose, Ted Culotta, Jim Dalberg, Jeff English,
Bill Hanley, Eric Hansmann, Ron Hoess, Bob Karig, Tony Koester, Joe
Lofland, Marty McGuirk, Lance Mindheim, Pierre Oliver, John Roberts,
Mike Rose , Bill Schaumburg, Mike Schleigh, Mont Switzer, John
Teichmoeller, Bill Welch, John Wesner

Vendors: B&O Historical Society, Bethlehem Car Works, Bob's Photo,
Rich Burg Photos, Joe Lofland, Main Line Photos, NMRA Division 2
Book Store, ProCustom Hobbies, Schaller Steel Models, Speedwitch
Media, Wildwood Station, Jay Williams: Big Four Graphics

Operating Sessions - Thursday evening March 26
Layout Tours - Sunday March 29

For more information, including a registration form:
http://keystonedivision.org/

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Mike Dudley out there??

edwardloizeaux
 

Gents....If anyone knows Mr. Mike Dudley of Cincinnati,OH I would
appreciate an email address or telephone number. Thanks very much...Ed
Loizeaux, 1-650-962-1577
Re: Wabash hoppers...reprise

mforsyth127
 

MANY THANKS to all that responsed so quickly to my query about Wabash
lettering sizes and timeframes...

MUCH APPRECIATED!!!

Matt Forsyth

Modeling the DL&W, Erie, PRR, NYC
and LV in "O" Scale, Elmira, NY 1951

Matt,

As built photos of hopper cars from 1912 display Wabash in 18"
letters. According to the WRHS these were changed to 33" letters in
April, 1955.

Phil Marcus

Modeling Chicago area 1952, "O" scale of course.
Re: Old Kits

Dave Nelson
 

Mike, perhaps it is appropriate to remind folks of the over-arching list
objective (WRT to fun, accuracy, manners, and anything else germaine to
opinions raised in this thread), as well as any or all rules regarding who
gets to play at being moderators, because it seems there is some confusion
about those topics. You know, like point by point so nobody misunderstands.

Dave Nelson

-----Original Message-----
"Richard, you are very well known as a freight car modeling expert. Are you
also the list owner?"

Nope. I am. Richard is, however, one of the founding 30 who's opinions and
inputs formed the group's rules which will be supported for the lifetime of
the group.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner
------------------------------------
Re: Athearn and Atlas tank comparison

Walter Gay <waltrail1@...>
 

Sorry, I guess I joined the wrong list!! I wont bother you again.

Walt

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Smith" <smithbf@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Athearn and Atlas tank comparison


On Feb 16, 2009, at 1:13 PM, Walter Gay wrote:

The new Athearn 20900 gal non-insulated tank is almost I dentical to the
Atlas 20,700 gal tank but is about 8 feet shorter. Is either correct?

Walt Gay
Walt,
I don't think that either of those is a steam era freight car and therefore they are not within the purview of this list. You might want to ask on a list that considers a more modern era relevant.
Regards
Bruce
Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2
"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
__
/ &#92;
__<+--+>________________&#92;__/___ ________________________________
|- ______/ O O &#92;_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ |
| / 4999 PENNSYLVANIA 4999 &#92; | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||
|/_____________________________&#92;|_|________________________________|
| O--O &#92;0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0
------------------------------------
Yahoo! Groups Links
truck type question

Tim O'Connor
 

Re: Tank Car Info

SUVCWORR@...
 

In a message dated 2/16/2009 6:51:12 PM Eastern Standard Time,
thompson@... writes:

Richard Hendrickson wrote:
SHPX 25306: no such car number in the 10/50 ORER.
I'm pretty sure this is an SHPX covered hopper, not a tank car.
April 1952 ORER SHPX 25306 is indeed a 70 ton 1958cf covered hopper

Rich Orr



**************
Need a job? Find an employment agency near you.
(http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&;ncid=emlcntusyelp00000003)
115461 - 115480 of 194802