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Re: BCK boxcar roof color?
Bud Rindfleisch
Brian,
Thank you also for the BCK roof info......I couldn't have asked you Saturday, the question wasn't asked of me until Monday! Now those M&W Ball line cars......that's where I need more help (plans?) Bud Rindfleisch
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Re: BCK boxcar roof color?
Bud Rindfleisch
Ed,
Thanks for the info. I knew I would get accurate information on this list. Bud Rindfleisch
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Wine Tank Cars
Richard Hendrickson
On Nov 25, 2008, at 6:53 AM, John Hile wrote:
In the 1948 Bronx photo it is interesting to me that a few of the cars I have a couple of photos of non-insulated tank cars in wine service that were owned by the California Despatch Line of San Francisco (reporting marks CDLX). Bear in mind that the wine that was shipped in tank cars was not high quality stuff. Premium table wines were bottled and aged at the winery and shipped in cartons, just as they are today. Richard Hendrickson
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Re: PRR Gon info request
water.kresse@...
Rich,
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What do you know about Penny's Kiesel and his involvement in PRR and USRA/ARA/AAR FC design? WE have his patent for an offset-side end side-panel trasition design and he is mention as being part of at least one of the USRA committees. Al
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From: cinderandeight@... Guys, Railway Age ran an article on the G23, and H26 (quintuple hopper) in the June 18, 1919 issue on pages 1461-1466 (RA was paged in six month block back then). The article has full drawings and many photos of the cars and their trucks. If you'd like I could send you a scan of the article directly. Rich Burg **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001)
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Re: PRR Gon info request
water.kresse@...
Rich,
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If it is NOT too much of a task. Yes we would like to have a sentence of two associated with that early hi capy gon with twin claimshell hoppers. It would be a lot of hand-shoveling if you had to use the "emergency doors". Do you know a B&LE FC person. They apparently had some 6-wheel 120-ton gons in coke service in the 50s and 60s from Clairian to US Steel Gary. Were they the used Virginian cars? We have no idea. Anyway, thanks and happy Thanksgiving, Al Going to Grandma's for Turkey tomorrow and be back this weekend. We will hopefully drive right past Burton on I-69 around 10 AM . . . snow permitting.
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From: cinderandeight@... Guys, Railway Age ran an article on the G23, and H26 (quintuple hopper) in the June 18, 1919 issue on pages 1461-1466 (RA was paged in six month block back then). The article has full drawings and many photos of the cars and their trucks. If you'd like I could send you a scan of the article directly. Rich Burg **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001)
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Re: BCK boxcar roof color?
B.T. Charles
Along with brown/black over spray, I would imagine that rotting
feed/flour would make the roof appear to be black as well. Romi Romano --- In STMFC@..., Bud Rindfleisch <BlackDiamondRR@...> wrote: for b.c. red sides and roof and black ends. I know that many times those
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Bronx photo
ed_mines
--- In STMFC@..., "John Hile" <john66h@...> wrote:
.....page also includes other new photos: (1) a 1948 b&w photo showing a 25-car trainload of Chateau Martin wine after arrival in the Bronx, NY, I'm surprised to see wine arriving in what appears to be regular, single dome tank cars. I don't think those cars could have been used for anything previously except to haul wine. Ed
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Re: Need help with photo location
John Hile <john66h@...>
--- In STMFC@..., Lancaster James <ljames1@...> wrote:
Jim, Thanks for the update info and for posting the photos. In the 1948 Bronx photo it is interesting to me that a few of the cars appear to be non-insulated types. I have always associated wine shipments with insulated tanks. Was this a rare event? If not, is anyone aware of any non-insulated tanks (owners, reporting marks) in California wine service during '52-'53? John Hile Blacksburg, VA Modeling ATSF Valley Div.
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Re: Monon Reporting Marks
Mont Switzer <mhts_switzerm@...>
Dennis,
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I think CID stands for "Central Indiana Division" which is an NMRA group. I seem to recall they used their own reporting marks when doing club type projects. There were no prototype MONON cars with CID reporting marks which brings the authenticity of the paint and lettering into question also. Mont Switzer
--- On Fri, 11/21/08, Denis Riley <twc3522326329@...> wrote:
From: Denis Riley <twc3522326329@...> Subject: [STMFC] Monon Reporting Marks To: STMFC@... Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 8:25 PM I have a Monon car with the reporting marks C.I.D. Not sure if they are correct report marks. Know MON & C.I.L., but this is new one to me [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: PRR Gon info request
cinderandeight@...
Guys,
Railway Age ran an article on the G23, and H26 (quintuple hopper) in the June 18, 1919 issue on pages 1461-1466 (RA was paged in six month block back then). The article has full drawings and many photos of the cars and their trucks. If you'd like I could send you a scan of the article directly. Rich Burg **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001)
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Re: Need help with photo location
Jim Lancaster
I added the photo of the Chateau Martin car in New York City to my Chateau Martin web page:
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http://www.geocities.com/jim_lancaster.geo/chatmart/cmwx_roster_1.html The page also includes other new photos: (1) a 1948 b&w photo showing a 25-car trainload of Chateau Martin wine after arrival in the Bronx, NY, and (2) two recent photos of the former Chateau Martin winery in Waterford, CA. Jim Lancaster
On Nov 22, 2008, at 9:02 AM, jim_lancaster.geo wrote:
I have obtained a photo of a Chateau Martin wine car in a train of
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PRR 120 ton gon info
Ben, Fred, thanks for the info.
Kitbashing one of those monsters is way down the road. We're doing a comparison of the three Pochahontas road's HiCapGons, and also a look at the models. The one-off's of PRR and (?)PSC deserved a mention, I think. Frank Bongiovanni
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Re: P&LE 36' DS box trucks
Richard Hendrickson
On Nov 24, 2008, at 9:59 AM, Dean Payne wrote:
I built the F&C P&LE 36' DS box, and need only to know what trucks to Dean,I have several photos that might answer your question, but it's hard to help without a lot number or number series. Richard Hendrickson
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Re: unpainted box car roofs
Ed Hawkins
On Nov 24, 2008, at 1:56 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
What about the running board on the TP&W 626-650? Painted orTim, The running boards were left unpainted, however, the builder's photo shows some overspray where the running board extends beyond the car end and on the edges of the latitudinals. The brake step also has some overspray. Regards, Ed Hawkins
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Re: unpainted box car roofs
What about the running board on the TP&W 626-650? Painted or
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left unpainted? Tim O'Connor
Ed,
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Re: unpainted box car roofs
Ed Hawkins
On Nov 24, 2008, at 10:45 AM, ed_mines wrote:
When did it become common not to paint galvanized box car roofs?Ed, Depending on the definition of "common," data from AC&F bills of materials show that unpainted galvanized roofs became more widely used starting in 1953. At that time there were a lot of AC&F box cars with unpainted galvanized roofs except that the seam caps were coated with black car cement and then over-coated with whatever paint color was used on the sides, thus giving a striped appearance. There's photo evidence of General American doing the same thing during the 1950s for some cars built for Erie and NKP. As an example, TP&W 626-650 box cars built by AC&F in 1953 had Pullman Green sides, ends, and roof seam caps. By 1955-1956, the practice of coating just the seam caps became less common, and the roofs were often entirely left unpainted. During the mid-late 1950s period Pullman-Standard's PS-1s also had a smaller percentage of their box cars coated with black car cement, which had been their standard practice from 1950 through the early 1950s. Regards, Ed Hawkins
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Re: BCK boxcar roof color?
armprem
There was considerable "overspray" from the sides also.Armand Premo
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From: "Brian J Carlson" <brian@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] BCK boxcar roof color? > >> On Nov 24, 2008, at 10:11 AM, Bud Rindfleisch wrote: >> >> > I'm trying to help a friend with info on the roof color of the >> > Buffalo Creek boxcars, does anyone have that info? I am guessing when >> > new they were unpainted galvanized, but Champ's lettering book calls >> > for >> > b.c. red sides and roof and black ends. I know that many times those >> > sources are inaccurate. > > Unpainted galvanized roofs. Some high angle shows appear to show black car > cement seam caps, may just be shadows, see pages 68 and 69 of the Morning > Sun book BR&P Vol 1. > > You could have asked me this Saturday Bud. > > Brian carlson > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.8/1801 - Release Date: 11/20/2008 9:11 AM > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Re: Up car help
rdietrichson
Thanks everyone for all the help. The projects are underway but in N scale not HO.
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Thanks again Rick Dietrichson Wilmington, NC
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From: Mike Brock To: STMFC@... Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Up car help Richard Hendrickson writes: "I ask because Trix produced an HO model painted and lettered to represent the A-50-19 class, but the model itself actually represented the earlier A-50-16 class which had different sides, ends, doors, etc. It's easy to be misled by this error if you don't know about it. The Trix car can be reworked into a nice model of an A-50-16 but must be repainted and relettered." Or, you can take the much easier route and simply change the car number to the A-50-16 class...one digit will work and change the "9" in A-50-19 to a "6". You are left with a Ld Limit and Lt Wt that is slightly off but you can change those too...or simply weather that area. The dimensional data is also slightly off but the same method works wonders there too. Anyhow...that's what I did. Mike Brock
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P&LE 36' DS box trucks
Dean Payne
I built the F&C P&LE 36' DS box, and need only to know what trucks to
stick under it to get it on the layout. The F&C website has a photo of the kit with Kadee Andrews trucks (for what that's worth), but the only prototype photo I've seen has regual cast (what the mfgrs. list as "Bettendorf"... cringe) trucks. What trucks were these delivered with, and when did they get the cast sideframe trucks? I can't read the lot number on the online photo, and don't remember what it is on the decal... Dean Payne
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Re: BCK boxcar roof color?
Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
On Nov 24, 2008, at 10:11 AM, Bud Rindfleisch wrote:Unpainted galvanized roofs. Some high angle shows appear to show black carI'm trying to help a friend with info on the roof color of the cement seam caps, may just be shadows, see pages 68 and 69 of the Morning Sun book BR&P Vol 1. You could have asked me this Saturday Bud. Brian carlson
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