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Re: LIFE Magazine Photos- PFE Reefers

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Cliff Prather wrote:
The photo may have been taken at Salinas, Calif. There are several photos of the Union Ice facility on pages 58 and 59 in Southern Pacicic's Coast Line Pictorial. The shot were taken in 1962 and the packing shed and track pattern look much like the Life photo.
Excellent catch, Cliff. The distinctive arch bridge in front of the Union Ice facility is probably conclusive.

On page 348 of the PFE book (first edition)there is a picture of top icing a car at a packing shed that looks like the one in the Life photo. The part of the crate label visiable in the photo appears to be similar to the ones in the Life picture. The photo in the PFE book is dated 1936.
That photo is Watsonville, and most lettuce crates looked much alike. I don't think this photo has much to do with Life photo, but the Salinas ID sounds good to me.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: LIFE Magazine Photos- PFE Reefers

cliffprather
 

The photo may have been taken at Salinas, Calif. There are several
photos of the Union Ice facility on pages 58 and 59 in Southern
Pacicic's Coast Line Pictorial. The shot were taken in 1962 and the
packing shed and track pattern look much like the Life photo. A big
difference is that the cooling tower on the Union Ice house is not
there in 1962.

On page 348 of the PFE book (first edition)there is a picture of top
icing a car at a packing shed that looks like the one in the Life
photo. The part of the crate label visiable in the photo appears to be
similar to the ones in the Life picture. The photo in the PFE book is
dated 1936.

Cliff Prather

--- In STMFC@..., "Bob Chaparro" <thecitrusbelt@...> wrote:

Courtesy of Bruce Morden from Carpenteria, CA, we have this link to a
LIFE Magazine photo showing PFE reefers being loaded in Arizona:

http://images.google.com/hosted/life/f?imgurl=72941a1fc7cd792c

Bob Chaparro
Moderator
Citrus Industry Modeling Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/citrusmodeling/


Re: Up car help

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Al Brown wrote:
That's class G-50-9. There's a picture of UP 99721 in MM 5/86 p 44, loaded with refrigerator-car frames; I think the same picture may appear in Tony Thompson's PFE books.
Yes, it's the same photo, page 113.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Snubbers [Was: UTLX X3 Truck question]

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Snubbers are discussed at some length in the PFE book, both as to why they were used and how they worked, including photos of some prototype hardware (pages 118, 119 and 165, for those who would like to know more.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Up car help

Tim O'Connor
 

Rick, I meant to send you two pictures directly. Send me your
email address again so I can send them to you.
Tim O'

Hey everyone,
I have some questions regarding 2 UP cars:
1. Does anyone out there have a picture of a UP gon in the 99500-99999
number series? I am not sure of the class.
2. What type of roof did the Class A50-19 40' double door box cars have,
raised panel, or diagonal panel.
3. What color was the roof on the A50-19?
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Rick Dietrichson
Wilmington, NC


Re: Up car help

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Nov 23, 2008, at 10:52 AM, rdietrichson wrote:

Hey everyone,
I have some questions regarding 2 UP cars:
1. Does anyone out there have a picture of a UP gon in the 99500-99999
number series? I am not sure of the class.





G-50-9. I have in-service photos I can send you off-list. What era
are you modeling?

2. What type of roof did the Class A50-19 40' double door box cars
have,
raised panel, or diagonal panel.
3. What color was the roof on the A50-19?





Builder's photos show these cars with a rectangular panel roof. When
new, it was unpainted galvanized steel with Apex steel running boards
painted oxide red. Do you plan to model an A-50-19, and if so, how?
I ask because Trix produced an HO model painted and lettered to
represent the A-50-19 class, but the model itself actually
represented the earlier A-50-16 class which had different sides,
ends, doors, etc. It's easy to be misled by this error if you don't
know about it. The Trix car can be reworked into a nice model of an
A-50-16 but must be repainted and relettered.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Up car help

Tim O'Connor
 

At 11/23/2008 01:52 PM Sunday, you wrote:
Hey everyone,
I have some questions regarding 2 UP cars:
1. Does anyone out there have a picture of a UP gon in the 99500-99999
number series? I am not sure of the class.
2. What type of roof did the Class A50-19 40' double door box cars have,
raised panel, or diagonal panel.
3. What color was the roof on the A50-19?
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Rick Dietrichson
Wilmington, NC


Re: Up car help

Aley, Jeff A
 

Rick,

UP 99500 - 99999 were class G-50-9, per Terry Metcalfe Union Pacific Freight Cars 1936-51 Appendix D. I don't think I have any photos.

The A-50-19 had Murphy Panel roofs, per William Metzger "Roster of UP Steel Box and Autocars", The Streamliner Vol. 3, No. 1.

The roof, ends, and underframe were to get "One coat of approved primer and two coats of approved aluminum paint." This is for cars 51850, 518000-518015, 518200, and 518100-518104. The diagram shows the "automated rail way" slogan. This info is from Union Pacific Railroad Co. Research and Mechanical Standards, Painting, Lettering & Numbering, Stenciling Arrangement, 303-C-20650 rev E, Date 7-21-65, as reproduced in The Streamliner, Vol. 6, No. 2.

When built in 1947, the car likely had either an oxide red roof, or black car cement. Perhaps someone else (Dick Harley?) can comment on whether or not car cement was used on these cars. Perhaps Dick can also comment on when the yellow / aluminum scheme was applied.

Regards,

-Jeff


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Hey everyone,
I have some questions regarding 2 UP cars:
1. Does anyone out there have a picture of a UP gon in the 99500-99999
number series? I am not sure of the class.
2. What type of roof did the Class A50-19 40' double door box cars have,
raised panel, or diagonal panel.
3. What color was the roof on the A50-19?
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Rick Dietrichson
Wilmington, NC


Re: Up car help

al_brown03
 

That's class G-50-9. There's a picture of UP 99721 in MM 5/86 p 44,
loaded with refrigerator-car frames; I think the same picture may
appear in Tony Thompson's PFE books. There's a builder's shot of UP
99780 on the front cover of Train Shed Cyc #46, also inside on p 227
(which I believe to be the page number from the '31 CBC).

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


--- In STMFC@..., "rdietrichson" <Rdietrichson@...> wrote:

Hey everyone,
I have some questions regarding 2 UP cars:
1. Does anyone out there have a picture of a UP gon in the 99500-99999
number series? I am not sure of the class.
2. What type of roof did the Class A50-19 40' double door box cars
have,
raised panel, or diagonal panel.
3. What color was the roof on the A50-19?
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Rick Dietrichson
Wilmington, NC


Up car help

rdietrichson
 

Hey everyone,
I have some questions regarding 2 UP cars:
1. Does anyone out there have a picture of a UP gon in the 99500-99999
number series? I am not sure of the class.
2. What type of roof did the Class A50-19 40' double door box cars have,
raised panel, or diagonal panel.
3. What color was the roof on the A50-19?
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Rick Dietrichson
Wilmington, NC


Re: UTLX question

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

I have the article, and am contemplating buying a kit or two. But
for this very common car, it'd be nice to see a styrene kit or RTR
model on the market. I have built more than a few resin cars, and a
resin-bash of a Norwest Imperial Oil tank car almost wore me out...

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., "Jack Burgess" <jack@...> wrote:

Eric wrote:

These are challenging kits that build into very nice models. If
you
are not familiar with resin kit construction, you may want to
start
with a gondola or box car to gain confidence before tackling one
of
the UTLX models.
The construction of this particular kit is also covered in Ted's
Essential
Freight Cars #12 article from the May 2004 issue of RMC...

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com


Re: UTLX X3 Truck question

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Nov 23, 2008, at 7:58 AM, benjaminfrank_hom wrote:

Don Burn asked:
"The recent UTLX discussions, had me go back to look at the Essential
Freight Cars article about the X3 tank cars. A number of the photos
show one spring of a truck on the car being some sort of cylindrical
device rather than a traditional spring. Can someone tell me what this
is and the era it was used? I've never seen one modeled, and am
curious."

It's a snubber. A chronic problem through the 1960s was the tendency
of cars to exhibit poor riding qualities, particularly rocking, due to
resonance at the harmonic frequency of the truck springs caused by a
combination of rough track at a given speed. To combat this, the
railroads tried several solutions, including leaf-coil spring packages
and snubbers.

As for modeling snubbers, I haven't tried yet and am open to ideas
actually tried by other modelers.



















Starting in the 1930s, snubbers which replaced one spring on each
side of each truck were a popular way to improve riding qualities
without replacing trucks, and some car owners even bought new trucks
with such snubbers rather than spending additional money for trucks
with built-in bolster snubbers such as the Barber Stabilized and ASF
A-3. So snubbers are seen in many photos of steam era freight cars,
and are a detail worth modeling as our standards of prototype
accuracy continue to improve. Modeling snubbers isn't a simple
matter, though, as each of the railway appliance manufacturers
offered patented snubbers of their own design. Some of them (e,g,,
Symington SBR, Gustin-Bacon G-B, National F-2-A, Sun T-2-D) fit
inside the standard springs and thus were all but invisible
(especially in HO scale). Others (e.g., Cardwell Type A, Frost No.
360) were replacement springs that didn't appear much different
externally from a standard spring (again, especially in HO scale).
But some of the most popular (Miner C-2-XB, Holland A-6, ASF Simplex)
were quite visible and, unfortunately, all different in appearance.
All these are well illustrated in the Car Builders' Cyclopedias of
the 1930s and '40s. Any attempt to model them would require gouging
one of the existing springs out of each truck side frame and
replacing it with a simulated snubber, and securing the replacement
parts to truck frames made of Delrin or similar slippery engineering
plastic is notoriously challenging. All of which is why most of us
haven't tried it.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: LIFE Magazine Photos- PFE Reefers

Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Charles Morrill" <badlands@...> wrote:

I've been in Bisbee and it definitely is not Bisbee, AZ. If the
Arizona
part is correct, perhaps it is Phoenix.
Charlie
A word of caution about the Time-Life photo captions, they were most
likely done by summer interns from information written on the sleeves
the photos were in. I was going through a series that claimed to be
the Soo Locks, and came across a photo of a boat entering the Chicago
River, with the double deck Lake Shore Drive drawbridge open, and
traffic backed up all around the infamous "S" curve, which has been
gone for years now. Other photos appeared to be taken on the St. Clair
River. Detroit was the location given for all these "Soo locks"
photos, very likely because the assignment was originally something
about lake traffic and how it affected Detroit. Oh, and there actually
was one or two photos of the Soo locks in the group. Reader beware.

Dennis


Re: More Hoppers

Scott Pitzer
 

http://index.mrmag.com/tm.exe?
opt=I&MAG=RMJ&MO=12&YR=1991&output=3&sort=D
I believe the T&P article shown here had to do with rib side cars
pretty close to C&O cars of the 1950s.
Scott Pitzer

--- In STMFC@..., Justin Kahn <harumd@...> wrote:

The other problematic Max Gray car is a rib (i.e., external) side
triple hopper with rounded end extensions; I already owned a similar
car with panelsides, apparently a C&O prototype, so I would assume the
C&O had these, as well (some of which were presumably re-built with the
panelsides). My question is whether anyone else had these cars? The
Max Gray spotters guide shows the plain ribside version lettered for
T&P, but model railroaders were not so fastidious about prototype 30+
years ago.


Re: UTLX X3 Truck question

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Don Burn asked:
"The recent UTLX discussions, had me go back to look at the Essential
Freight Cars article about the X3 tank cars. A number of the photos
show one spring of a truck on the car being some sort of cylindrical
device rather than a traditional spring. Can someone tell me what this
is and the era it was used? I've never seen one modeled, and am
curious."

It's a snubber. A chronic problem through the 1960s was the tendency
of cars to exhibit poor riding qualities, particularly rocking, due to
resonance at the harmonic frequency of the truck springs caused by a
combination of rough track at a given speed. To combat this, the
railroads tried several solutions, including leaf-coil spring packages
and snubbers.

As for modeling snubbers, I haven't tried yet and am open to ideas
actually tried by other modelers.


Ben Hom


UTLX X3 Truck question

Don Burn
 

The recent UTLX discussions, had me go back to look at the Essential Freight Cars article about the X3 tank cars. A number of the photos show one spring of a truck on the car being some sort of cylindrical device rather than a traditional spring. Can someone tell me what this is and the era it was used? I've never seen one modeled, and am curious.

Don Burn


Re: LIFE Magazine Photos

water.kresse@...
 

Isn't that the Blue Island platform on the SW side of town?

Al Kresse

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Anyone recognize this location in the Chicago area? That
deck-on-a-deck structure on the left would seem to be a
landmark, I don't recall ever seeing that before.

http://images.google.com/hosted/life/f?q=Railroads+source:life&imgurl=c8c944bb1f85f35a

Tim O'Connor


Re: LIFE Magazine Photos- PFE Reefers

Dick Harley
 

It's interesting that the R-30-11 in the foreground still appears to have a metal medallion screwed to the side, since the removal of those metal medallions started in early 1936 - supposedly for safety reasons.

It appears that its reweigh date is 1942, so that part of the photo label seems correct.

Cheers,
Dick Harley


Tank Car Photos from LIFE Magazine

Jerry <jrs060@...>
 

Look at the Magnolia insulated tank cars that were photographed at Beaumont,
Texas during 1942 in this T&NO yard scene! There is some very interesting stuff
here for sure.

http://images.google.com/hosted/life/f?
q=beaumont+source:life&imgurl=d4a027a3d4f601fd



Happiness, Jerry Stewart

Woodstock, Illinois


Re: Image Of Union Pacific Stock Cars From LIFE Magazine

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

There was a Naval Ordnance proving grounds "near" there that is now the Idaho National Laboratory. It's where the first power nuclear reactor was built (IIRC) and the home to something like 54 nuclear reactors over the years. I believe there is still a coal-fired power plant there.

(I say "near" because nothing out there is really close to anything else. The shipping address to INL is variously Arco or Scoville, Idaho; Scovile in nothing but a wye on the facility, Arco is the nearest town, about 20 miles from the main gate.)

KL

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim O'Connor

What was at Arco, Idaho that would require coal from the Rio Grande?
A smelter of some kind?

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