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Re: Pipe loads on the cheap

SUVCWORR@...
 

Are you thinking of a saddle clamp? These are primarily used to repair
breaks without removing the line.

Rich Orr

In a message dated 12/1/2008 9:33:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
schuyler.larrabee@... writes:

Not necessarily. Both steel pipe and concrete pipe can be joined for some
non-pressure uses (drain
lines, for instance) with a band which is drawn tight around the pipe.
There is a specific
terminology for this, but I have forgotten it, if I ever knew it to begin
with.

SGL

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ed_mines
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 1:30 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Pipe loads on the cheap

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "Mark
Mathu" <mark@...> wrote:
It is described as "steel pipe," and I agree that the walls are way
too thick for steel or iron pipe. And the pipes are too long to
represent precast concrete pipe.

The wall thickness of precast concrete pipe varies with the load it
is specified for, but as a general rule the wall thickness (in
inches) is about one greater than the pipe diameter (in feet). So a
2-foot diameter concrete pipe would have a 3" wall thickness, and a
6-foot diameter concrete pipe would have a 7" wall thickness.
Concrete pipes are usually 8 or 12 feet long.

Steel or iron pipe would have wall thickness measured in the
fractions of an inch. Lengths would vary from 20 feet (cast iron
pipe) up to 60 feet (steel pipe).
Don't most of these construction pipes have a bell on one end?

Ed

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Re: Pipe loads on the cheap

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Mark Mathu" <mark@...> wrote:
It is described as "steel pipe," and I agree that the walls are way
too thick for steel or iron pipe. And the pipes are too long to
represent precast concrete pipe.

The wall thickness of precast concrete pipe varies with the load it
is specified for, but as a general rule the wall thickness (in
inches) is about one greater than the pipe diameter (in feet). So a
2-foot diameter concrete pipe would have a 3" wall thickness, and a
6-foot diameter concrete pipe would have a 7" wall thickness.
Concrete pipes are usually 8 or 12 feet long.

Steel or iron pipe would have wall thickness measured in the
fractions of an inch. Lengths would vary from 20 feet (cast iron
pipe) up to 60 feet (steel pipe).

Don't most of these construction pipes have a bell on one end?

Ed


Re: Pipe loads on the cheap

Mark Mathu
 

Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

The pipe load from Life-Like (on sale at Walthers) looks too
thick-walled for my tastes (and a little too "plastic-ey").
The Walthers pipe load should look thick as it is supposed to
be concrete pipe. The side wall thickness should be around 6"
SIX inches? How large a diameter is it? Most concrete pipe
I've seen at the size of say 30" diameter, is around 2-2.5"
wall.
Is this the pipe load we are discussing?
Life-Like Products - SceneMaster Flat Car Loads
http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/433-1510

It is described as "steel pipe," and I agree that the walls are way
too thick for steel or iron pipe. And the pipes are too long to
represent precast concrete pipe.

The wall thickness of precast concrete pipe varies with the load it
is specified for, but as a general rule the wall thickness (in
inches) is about one greater than the pipe diameter (in feet). So a
2-foot diameter concrete pipe would have a 3" wall thickness, and a
6-foot diameter concrete pipe would have a 7" wall thickness.
Concrete pipes are usually 8 or 12 feet long.

Steel or iron pipe would have wall thickness measured in the
fractions of an inch. Lengths would vary from 20 feet (cast iron
pipe) up to 60 feet (steel pipe).

____
Mark Mathu
Whitefish Bay, Wis.
civil engineer


Re: Philadelphia Quartz Type 21 tank car

John Hile <john66h@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Allen Cain" <allencain@...> wrote:

I have always assumed that these cars would have serviced glass making
industries but I am curious as to what other industries these might have
serviced in the early 1950s.










Allen,

Here is a link to a PQ Corp web page with a company history. It
touches on the products manufactured by Philadelphia Quartz...now
known as PQ Corporation.

http://www.pqcorp.com/corporate/PQHistory.asp


Hope this is helpful,

John Hile
Blacksburg, VA


New files in the Files area

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I just uploaded to NYC tables, showing Storage Charges on LCL freight, and a chart to assist in
figuring out how many days had elapsed. These tables are from 1939. The are on the obverse and
reverse of a single heavy card sheet.

These may be of limited interest, but I felt they should be shared

SGL
La vita e breve, mangiate prima il dolce!


ARR Car Selection Rules

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Hi

I just uploaded a copy of a document about how yardmasters should make car selections with respect
to what district the car's home road is in.

I am sometimes graced with a short sojourn with materials destined for the ELHS Archives. The
latest is a screw-bound series of the memoranda from upper level management about how yardmasters
were to conduct their recording and reporting of the location of car This poster was included in
this last volume. I thought this would add some certainty to the endless debating about how cars
were >supposed to be< selected by the YM to send for loadings

SGL
La vita e breve, mangiate prima il dolce!


Re: Norfolk Southern box car

Tim O'Connor
 

Yeh, I missed that... Yes I wouldn't have flown off the handle
like that if I'd noticed it was an NMRA project -- my Dad left
me quite a collection of NMRA foobies... along with the odd
regional NMRA car that is actually not a foobie.

It takes guts to call yourself a "Historical Society" in such cases...
All true, and well said too; but in this case it's a Division of
the NMRA. Are we surprised here?

Tony Thompson


Re: Norfolk Southern box car

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
It's been commented on (and lamented) here in the past that some "Historical Societies" produce historically bogus stuff
to raise money. But here we have not only the wrong car, but it's painted unlike the prototype and even lettered unlike the prototype. It takes guts to call yourself a "Historical Society" in such cases...
All true, and well said too; but in this case it's a Division of the NMRA. Are we surprised here?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Norfolk Southern box car

Tim O'Connor
 

It's been commented on (and lamented) here in the past that
some "Historical Societies" produce historically bogus stuff
to raise money. But here we have not only the wrong car, but
it's painted unlike the prototype and even lettered unlike
the prototype. It takes guts to call yourself a "Historical
Society" in such cases... It's scary too that they chose to
have Bowser do the cars, since Accurail will do custom cars
to spec using supplied artwork, while Bowser has a reputation
for incorrect paint & lettering (too many examples to list).

Tim O'Connor

The Carolina Piedmont Division of the Mid-Eastern Region of the NMRA has
acquired some box cars as a fund raiser.
They are 40 foot Accurail PS-1s painted by Bowser. They are Gray with
the Red N and Black S and a DF label and a built date of 7-57. They have 8 foot
door. The ends are gray and not the prototypical black. The numbers are,
1599, 1600, 1624, 1631, 1645, 1676, 1679 and 1700.
Cost is $15.00 per car and s/h is $5.00 for the first car. $2.50 more
for up to 3 more cars. If you want all 8 numbers, shipping total will be $10.00.
Make checks payable to:
CPD-NMRA.
Send To:
John A. Janosko
264 White Cedar Lane
Youngsville, N.C. 27596
_johnajan@... (mailto:johnajan@...)
919-656-6897

Thanks,
Chuck Hladik
Rutland railroad
Virginia Division


Re: Norfolk Southern box car

Charles Hladik
 

Sorry guys but I think that ragging on the NMRA Division is a bit harsh as
they went to the historical society for help. Sure they should have done more
research and probably were looking to sell cars rather than prototypical
rolling stock, does Athearn and others come to mid.
Chuck Hladik

In a message dated 11/30/2008 10:27:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
timboconnor@... writes:





Yeh, I missed that... Yes I wouldn't have flown off the handle
like that if I'd noticed it was an NMRA project -- my Dad left
me quite a collection of NMRA foobies... along with the odd
regional NMRA car that is actually not a foobie.

It takes guts to call yourself a "Historical Society" in such cases...
All true, and well said too; but in this case it's a Division of
the NMRA. Are we surprised here?

Tony Thompson



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Re: Norfolk Southern box car

Tim O'Connor
 

Brian and Chuck

NS 1500-1726 were reconditioned by USRE from XM5 series
27000-27249 in 1964. I have a scan of one of these cars
are they are definitely not PS-1's and they were built
in 1947, not 1957. It sounds like Bowser has been doing
some "imagineering" at hobbyists' expense. These cars
could have been produced very accurately using other
commercially available kits (e.g. Branchline).

Tim O'Connor

At 11/29/2008 11:42 PM Saturday, you wrote:
Chuck:
I can't find these cars in the NS entries in my 1957 or 1959 ORER or in Ed
Hawkins PS-1 roster. Are they prototypical cars?

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
----- Original Message -----
From: <RUTLANDRS@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:59 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Norfolk Southern box car

They are 40 foot Accurail PS-1s painted by Bowser. They are Gray with
the Red N and Black S and a DF label and a built date of 7-57. They have
8 foot
door. The ends are gray and not the prototypical black. The numbers are,
1599, 1600, 1624, 1631, 1645, 1676, 1679 and 1700.


F&C 1932 ARA boxcars for sale

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

I have two one-piece body F&C 1932 ARA cars for sale. One is a kit for a MEC
car and the other is Clinchfield. I have started these kits by cleaning up
the flash on the bodies, and I started to install grabs on the bodies. The
cars are now no longer needed. I am asking $10 each for them. Shipping would
be $5.00 for USPS Priority Mail. Contact me OFF LIST if interested.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Bowser-Stewart Model Group

hunter48820
 

Hi All,
Please excuse the cross post.

I have created a Bowser-Stewart Models Yahoo Group for those that may
be interested.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bowser-Stewart_Models/

Thanks and best,
Andy Keeney


Re: Norfolk Southern box car

Charles Hladik
 

Brian,
I posted this for a neighboring NMRA Division. I was told that the car
info was provided by the NS Historical Society. So the naswer is I don't know
but will forward the question.
Chuck Hladik

In a message dated 11/30/2008 12:17:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
brian@... writes:




Following up on my earlier email. In July 1957 the following boxcars were
listed in the NS fleet.
AAR Series To Qty % FLEET Model I.Length I. Height Doors (WxH) Notes
XM 25000 25499 481 48.68% 0.00 40 6 9 3 6 x 8 8 1932 ARA
XM 25500 25752 238 24.09% 0.00 40 6 10 6 x 9 4 1937 AAR
XM 25800 1 0.10% 0.00 50 10 9 5 x 6 10
XM 26000 26024 24 2.43% 0.00 40 6 10 4.125 12 6 x 9 8 double door
XM 27000 27249 244 24.70% 0.00 40 6 10 6 6 x 9 10 1944 AAR

These same series are in the 1959 edition with an additional 28000 series
that at first glance appears to be a renumbering of the 25500 series
So I am even more confused regarding the custom run cars.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian J Carlson" <_brian@...
(mailto:brian@...) >
To: <_STMFC@... (mailto:STMFC@...) >
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Norfolk Southern box car

Chuck:
I can't find these cars in the NS entries in my 1957 or 1959 ORER or in Ed
Hawkins PS-1 roster. Are they prototypical cars?

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY



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Re: Intermountain 1958 cu ft covered hoppers for sale

Andy Carlson
 

5-40
-Andy

--- On Sat, 11/29/08, cobrapsl@... <cobrapsl@...> wrote:

From: cobrapsl@... <cobrapsl@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Intermountain 1958 cu ft covered hoppers for sale
To: STMFC@...
Date: Saturday, November 29, 2008, 7:27 PM
Andy,

What is the build date on the NKP car?

Paul Lyons


-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Carlson <midcentury@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 7:18 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Intermountain 1958 cu ft covered hoppers
for sale








Hi,
I have received my order of the new Intermountain Railway
Co. HO AC&F 1958 cu ft 2 bay covered hopper. These cars
are all done in the earlier square hatch with triangular
side cut-outs, and appear to be in as-delivered
paint/lettering schemes

# 48606 UNION PACIFIC CH-70-1 built 1940. Have 6 numbers
# 48603 GREAT NORTHERN built 1951 w/ Timken roller bearing,
min red
# 48605 SHIPPER's CAR LINE built 1948 gray SHPX 4
#'s
# 48604 NICKEL PLATE Road only one car left

These cars carry an IMRRCO list price of $32.00 each. I am
offering them at $26.00 each. Shipping charges will apply.
If interested, please contact me off-list (PLEASE) at
<midcentury@...> Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA







Re: Norfolk Southern box car

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

Following up on my earlier email. In July 1957 the following boxcars were
listed in the NS fleet.
AAR Series To Qty % FLEET Model I.Length I. Height Doors (WxH) Notes
XM 25000 25499 481 48.68% 0.00 40 6 9 3 6 x 8 8 1932 ARA
XM 25500 25752 238 24.09% 0.00 40 6 10 6 x 9 4 1937 AAR
XM 25800 1 0.10% 0.00 50 10 9 5 x 6 10
XM 26000 26024 24 2.43% 0.00 40 6 10 4.125 12 6 x 9 8 double door
XM 27000 27249 244 24.70% 0.00 40 6 10 6 6 x 9 10 1944 AAR

These same series are in the 1959 edition with an additional 28000 series
that at first glance appears to be a renumbering of the 25500 series
So I am even more confused regarding the custom run cars.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian J Carlson" <brian@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Norfolk Southern box car


Chuck:
I can't find these cars in the NS entries in my 1957 or 1959 ORER or in Ed
Hawkins PS-1 roster. Are they prototypical cars?

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: Norfolk Southern box car

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

Chuck:
I can't find these cars in the NS entries in my 1957 or 1959 ORER or in Ed
Hawkins PS-1 roster. Are they prototypical cars?

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

----- Original Message -----
From: <RUTLANDRS@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:59 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Norfolk Southern box car


They are 40 foot Accurail PS-1s painted by Bowser. They are Gray with
the Red N and Black S and a DF label and a built date of 7-57. They have
8 foot
door. The ends are gray and not the prototypical black. The numbers are,
1599, 1600, 1624, 1631, 1645, 1676, 1679 and 1700.


Re: Intermountain 1958 cu ft covered hoppers for sale

Paul Lyons
 

Andy,

What is the build date on the NKP car?

Paul Lyons

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Carlson <midcentury@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 7:18 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Intermountain 1958 cu ft covered hoppers for sale








Hi,
I have received my order of the new Intermountain Railway Co. HO AC&F 1958 cu ft 2 bay covered hopper. These cars are all done in the earlier square hatch with triangular side cut-outs, and appear to be in as-delivered paint/lettering schemes

# 48606 UNION PACIFIC CH-70-1 built 1940. Have 6 numbers
# 48603 GREAT NORTHERN built 1951 w/ Timken roller bearing, min red
# 48605 SHIPPER's CAR LINE built 1948 gray SHPX 4 #'s
# 48604 NICKEL PLATE Road only one car left

These cars carry an IMRRCO list price of $32.00 each. I am offering them at $26.00 each. Shipping charges will apply. If interested, please contact me off-list (PLEASE) at <midcentury@...> Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Intermountain 1958 cu ft covered hoppers for sale

Andy Carlson
 

Hi,
I have received my order of the new Intermountain Railway Co. HO AC&F 1958 cu ft 2 bay covered hopper. These cars are all done in the earlier square hatch with triangular side cut-outs, and appear to be in as-delivered paint/lettering schemes

# 48606 UNION PACIFIC CH-70-1 built 1940. Have 6 numbers
# 48603 GREAT NORTHERN built 1951 w/ Timken roller bearing, min red
# 48605 SHIPPER's CAR LINE built 1948 gray SHPX 4 #'s
# 48604 NICKEL PLATE Road only one car left

These cars carry an IMRRCO list price of $32.00 each. I am offering them at $26.00 each. Shipping charges will apply. If interested, please contact me off-list (PLEASE) at <midcentury@...> Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Looking for a photo or two - CRDX

Schuyler Larrabee
 

A good friend of mine grew up in Ravenna Ohio, practically on the ballast shoulder of the ERIE's
westbound main. Quite close to there, in Ravenna, I believe, there was a mill which was called "Red
Comb Pioneer Feeds."

He says that they had a small fleet of two-bay covered hoppers "like the Roundhouse model, with
closed sides." 2000 Cu Ft. They carried CRDX reporting marks. I believe my friend said that the
logo was a rooster with a bright red comb.

I'd like to find a photo, VERY preferably in color (even if faded) with the intent of making decals
to do this car. I'd accept a black and white photo if nothing else comes up, and a B&W photo might
be useful for layout if it's more straight-on to the side of the car. But a color shot would be
great so I can get some idea of what was colored what color.

I don't know the range of these cars, nor what direction they would have traveled, so they could
have shown up anywhere.

Do any of you have something that would help on this?

TIA

SGL
La vita e breve, mangiate prima il dolce!

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