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Re: Santa Fe Plug Door Reefers
charles slater
Yes the Rr-47 class cars were built with Diagonal Panel roofs. Did you not get my earlier E-Mail, if not I can send it to you again.
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Charlie Slater To: STMFC@...: aslmmiller@...: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:31:44 -0400Subject: Re: [STMFC] Santa Fe Plug Door Reefers
Now that we have beaten to death what the Standard Railway Equipment Co called itself , does anyone know whether the Rr-47s were really built with rectangular panel roofs in 1951?I am hoping so since I have a lot of them in my parts bin, but have been waiting for some time for an order of diagonal panel roofs from I/M.regards,Andy Miller----- Original Message ----- From: Tim O'Connor To: STMFC@... Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 3:15 PMSubject: Re: [STMFC] Santa Fe Plug Door ReefersAnd I'm not certain, but I think SRE is not to be confusedwith USRE -- United States Railway Equipment -- which was arebuilder of freight cars during the 1960's (using the easilyrecognized outline of the continental US as its builder logo)Tim O'ConnorAt 8/24/2008 03:00 PM Sunday, you wrote:>Tim O'Connor wrote:>> Correct -- I think we may apply "SRE" for the STMFC era.>> Good abbreviation. The company itself in the 1950s used "SRECo" >in their ads, which I find a little compulsive.>>Tony Thompson
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Re: Santa Fe Plug Door Reefers
Andy Miller <aslmmiller@...>
Thanx Charles. Rr-49 it will be.
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regards, Andy Miller
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From: "charles slater" <atsfcondr42@...> To: <stmfc@...> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 3:55 PM Subject: RE: [STMFC] Santa Fe Plug Door Reefers Andy the Rr-47 class cars were built new in 1951 by the West Wichita shops and did have a diagonal panel roof. The Rr-49 class cars were rebuilt in 1950 from Rr-5 class wood cars some of which had already had there original roofs replaced with Murphy streight panel roofs in the 1930/40's. The cars that had the streight panel roofs at the time they were rebuilt into Rr-49 cars kept them, and the Rr-5's that had their original roofs when rebuilt into Rr-49's got new diagonal panel roofs. So the answer is the Rr-49's used both roofs, but if there is a number series for which ones the Santa Fe folio sheet does not break that down. My GUESS is they were mixed togather. Maybe Richard H. has more information on this. Charlie Slater To: STMFC@...: aslmmiller@...: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 11:24:56 -0400Subject: [STMFC] Santa Fe Plug Door Reefers I am currently kitbashing some SantaFe plug door 40' iced reefers. The first model under consideration is an Rr-47. According to the ATSF Society's book on reefers these cars were built in 1951 with a rectangular panel (Murphy) roof. In 1951 wouldn't they have used a diagonal panel (Stanray) roof? Similarly, the Sunshine Models info sheet on ATSF plug door reefers claims that the Rr-49s were rebuilt retaining their rectangular panel roof from a 1930's rebuilding, but the Society book claims they had diagonal panel roofs. Which is correct?regards,Andy Miller_dels info sheet[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ Be the filmmaker you always wanted to be�learn how to burn a DVD with Windows�. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108588797/direct/01/ ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links
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Boxcar Images
Bob Chaparro <thecitrusbelt@...>
Here are a few boxcar image links I found while looking for other
items on the `net. The captions are from the image sources. Enjoy. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA ========================== From a Great Northern Annual Report http://www.gngoat.org/annual_report_57.jpg Volunteer workers loading a truck from a boxcar for transportation to the warehouse at this center. -- Photographer: Parker, Tom -- McGehee, Arkansas. 11/21/42 (Note that this is an "automobile" boxcar serving another use during WW II.) http://content.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/ft4p3005rg/ A surviving railroad legacy of the former Studebaker railway. This Wabash boxcar was once assigned to the Studebaker Plant. For many years this car moved parts in, out and around the Studebaker Plants. Photo courtsey of Bob Albert and The Hoosier Valley Railroad Musuem , North Judson, Indiana, where the car has been restored and is on display. http://www.monon.monon.org/sobendpixs/wab49114.jpg GAEX 112008 (ca. 1960) Boxcar #112008 as it appeared when it first arrived on the GBW. http://www.greenbayroute.com/gaex112008.jpg GBW 15030 (ca. 1958) These 40' boxcars were rebuilt from 14000-series double door auto loaders. http://www.greenbayroute.com/gbw15030.jpg Pullman-Standard Boxcar (1965) The Green Bay & Western added 200 boxcars to its roster in late 1951 - - the first steel boxcars on the railroad. http://www.greenbayroute.com/1965boxcar751.htm
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Re: Santa Fe Plug Door Reefers
charles slater
Andy the Rr-47 class cars were built new in 1951 by the West Wichita shops and did have a diagonal panel roof.
The Rr-49 class cars were rebuilt in 1950 from Rr-5 class wood cars some of which had already had there original roofs replaced with Murphy streight panel roofs in the 1930/40's. The cars that had the streight panel roofs at the time they were rebuilt into Rr-49 cars kept them, and the Rr-5's that had their original roofs when rebuilt into Rr-49's got new diagonal panel roofs. So the answer is the Rr-49's used both roofs, but if there is a number series for which ones the Santa Fe folio sheet does not break that down. My GUESS is they were mixed togather. Maybe Richard H. has more information on this. Charlie Slater To: STMFC@...: aslmmiller@...: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 11:24:56 -0400Subject: [STMFC] Santa Fe Plug Door Reefers I am currently kitbashing some SantaFe plug door 40' iced reefers. The first model under consideration is an Rr-47. According to the ATSF Society's book on reefers these cars were built in 1951 with a rectangular panel (Murphy) roof. In 1951 wouldn't they have used a diagonal panel (Stanray) roof? Similarly, the Sunshine Models info sheet on ATSF plug door reefers claims that the Rr-49s were rebuilt retaining their rectangular panel roof from a 1930's rebuilding, but the Society book claims they had diagonal panel roofs. Which is correct?regards,Andy Miller_dels info sheet[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ Be the filmmaker you always wanted to be—learn how to burn a DVD with Windows®. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108588797/direct/01/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Santa Fe Plug Door Reefers
Andy Miller <aslmmiller@...>
Now that we have beaten to death what the Standard Railway Equipment Co called itself , does anyone know whether the Rr-47s were really built with rectangular panel roofs in 1951?
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I am hoping so since I have a lot of them in my parts bin, but have been waiting for some time for an order of diagonal panel roofs from I/M. regards, Andy Miller
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From: Tim O'Connor To: STMFC@... Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Santa Fe Plug Door Reefers And I'm not certain, but I think SRE is not to be confused with USRE -- United States Railway Equipment -- which was a rebuilder of freight cars during the 1960's (using the easily recognized outline of the continental US as its builder logo) Tim O'Connor At 8/24/2008 03:00 PM Sunday, you wrote: >Tim O'Connor wrote: >> Correct -- I think we may apply "SRE" for the STMFC era. > > Good abbreviation. The company itself in the 1950s used "SRECo" >in their ads, which I find a little compulsive. > >Tony Thompson
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Re: Santa Fe Plug Door Reefers
And I'm not certain, but I think SRE is not to be confused
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with USRE -- United States Railway Equipment -- which was a rebuilder of freight cars during the 1960's (using the easily recognized outline of the continental US as its builder logo) Tim O'Connor
At 8/24/2008 03:00 PM Sunday, you wrote:
Tim O'Connor wrote:Correct -- I think we may apply "SRE" for the STMFC era.Good abbreviation. The company itself in the 1950s used "SRECo"
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Re: Santa Fe Plug Door Reefers
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Tim O'Connor wrote:
Correct -- I think we may apply "SRE" for the STMFC era.Good abbreviation. The company itself in the 1950s used "SRECo" in their ads, which I find a little compulsive. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Santa Fe Plug Door Reefers
Correct -- I think we may apply "SRE" for the STMFC era.
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At 8/24/2008 01:50 PM Sunday, you wrote:
Andy Miller wrote:In 1951 wouldn't they have used a diagonal panel (Stanray) roof?It's a pretty tiny nit, Andy, but Standard Railway Equipment
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Re: The 1956 UP Box Car Data
Aley, Jeff A
Mike,
I am not aware of any Kansas fllods in 1956. There was a very large flood (greatly impacting traffic for many railroads) in July 1951. While the '51 flood was a great human and economic tragedy, it benefits us historians because everyone got out their camera and took photos of industries, railroad yards, etc. Regards, -Jeff ________________________________ From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Mike Brock Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 9:13 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] The 1956 UP Box Car Data Here's the much anticipated results of the 1956 UP train box car composition over Sherman Hill. There were 31 trains. Of these, there were 5 EB "lumber" trains containing 11, 10, 8, 9, and 10 SP box cars for a total of 48 cars. If these were missed, the SP position changes quite a bit. UP, NYC and PRR cars were rather evenly distributed. The 1956 data matches very well with that of 1949 as far as UP, PRR, NYC, and SP is concerned. GN was a surprise and I was pleased to see that NP had reached a level which could support Brock's Fifth Rule of frt cars...although I have not the courage to check each train for at least one NP car. ATSF was apparently upset with their somewhat puny showing and responded by sending 98 SFRD reefers [ MT ] in one train. Perhaps this was due to the Kansas floods...I have not checked on the dates. Practically every RR was represdented. Box cars of special interest were one CV, a few BAR and a MEC. I am most proud of the 2 N&W hoppers [ bless their dirty souls ] plus 2 PRR hoppers, one MKT, 2 Mopac and my favorite, a WAB hopper. Position RR cars 1. UP: 249 2. PRR: 126 3. NYC: 107 4. SP: 101 4a. SP & TNO: 115 5. GN: 57 6. NP: 43 7. C&O: 41 8. C&NW: 40 8. B&O: 40 9. Milw: 38 10. SR: 32 11. CB&Q: 24 12. ATSF: 23 Mike Brock
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Re: Different color running boards on Erie/NKP box cars
Richard Hendrickson
On Aug 24, 2008, at 8:59 AM, Dean Payne wrote:
I recently saw a photo (I forget where) of a Des Plaines Hobbies Erie I don't know about Erie or NKP practice, but from the early 1930s through the mid-'50s, Santa Fe standard practice was to paint the roofs with black car cement into which a gritty material was added to provide secure footing in case a trainman stepped off the running boards. From the mid-'50s until running boards were removed, the Santa Fe continued to use the gritty material, but it was sprinkled onto wet mineral brown paint instead of black. Wood running boards were always mineral brown. Steel running boards were unpainted galvanized metal on new or rebuilt cars, black or mineral brown on repainted cars, depending on when the repainting was carried out. Richard Hendrickson
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Re: Santa Fe Plug Door Reefers
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Andy Miller wrote:
In 1951 wouldn't they have used a diagonal panel (Stanray) roof?It's a pretty tiny nit, Andy, but Standard Railway Equipment didn't call themselves "Stanray" until after the validity period of this list. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Dan Hall doors
Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
Does anyone know where I can get some Dan Hall 7 panel Superior doors, like
Ted C used in his Jan 2008 PS-1 build in RMC? Brian J Carlson P.E. Cheektowaga NY
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Re: TRUCK WEAR - was What HO truck(s) do we STMFC'ers want?
Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
The original question/comment was about the ECW trucks. These are made of
styrene and when metal wheel sets were used, the metal axle wore out the sideframe cones. Now this was awhile ago, before Reboxx introduced their truck tool. The original sideframes may not have had true cones which exasperated the problem. Brian J Carlson P.E. Cheektowaga NY
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Re: Different color running boards on Erie/NKP box cars
Dean
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I think the most common practice was not to apply black "car cement" to wooden running boards. But the only builder roof photo I've seen is Erie 75893, a 1930 built car -- the roof panels are galvanized, and the seam caps and running board appear to be painted body color. Tim O'
At 8/24/2008 11:59 AM Sunday, you wrote:
I recently saw a photo (I forget where) of a Des Plaines Hobbies Erie
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Different color running boards on Erie/NKP box cars
Dean Payne
I recently saw a photo (I forget where) of a Des Plaines Hobbies Erie
box car with a black Viking roof, but body-color running board. This is kind of odd, kind of neat, I can't decide which. Is this prototypical? In favor of yes, I have a Proto 2000 50' Erie box car with gray roof and black running board. In favor of no, I remember that the kit that I got included body-color grabs and ladders for the ends, which I painted black, since the ends were black. I have a Des Plaines NKP box that came with the same color scheme. Should I paint the running boards on those cars black? If so, I still find it odd that the Proto kit had only the running board black, not the ends or roof (before weathering...) Dean Payne
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Santa Fe Plug Door Reefers
Andy Miller <aslmmiller@...>
I am currently kitbashing some SantaFe plug door 40' iced reefers. The first model under consideration is an Rr-47. According to the ATSF Society's book on reefers these cars were built in 1951 with a rectangular panel (Murphy) roof. In 1951 wouldn't they have used a diagonal panel (Stanray) roof?
Similarly, the Sunshine Models info sheet on ATSF plug door reefers claims that the Rr-49s were rebuilt retaining their rectangular panel roof from a 1930's rebuilding, but the Society book claims they had diagonal panel roofs. Which is correct? regards, Andy Miller_dels info sheet
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Re: TRUCK WEAR - was What HO truck(s) do we STMFC'ers want?
Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
If you are showing .005" wear on Code 83 rails in HO track, then to
be totally prototypical, the rail probably needs changing out due to head wear per AAR specs for 127#/132# RE rail. Or you could follow the steam-era prototype practice of transposing inside and outside rails on curves to equalise wear. ;) I'm rather curious as to what the profile is like of the wheels that you're replacing due to wear. Steve Lucas. --- In STMFC@..., SUVCWORR@... wrote: been in use the longest time -- code 83 Microengineering rail on CV ties andfound less than .005 wear on code 83 track.
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Re: TRUCK WEAR - was What HO truck(s) do we STMFC'ers want?
SUVCWORR@...
In a message dated 8/24/2008 10:59:46 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
stevelucas3@... writes: I'm rather curious as to what the profile is like of the wheels that you're replacing due to wear. We haven't really checked the profiles against NMRA standards. It is enough work maintaining a fleet over 300 locomotives and 3500 freight and passenger cars. And yes, the rail will need to be replaced soon. Rich Orr **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)
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Re: Speedwitch down?
tmolsen@...
Brian,
I just pulled Ted's site up with no trouble. The link is: http://www.speedwitch.com/ Ted and his family left Friday afternoon for a weeks vacation in Maine. Should be back after Labor Day. Tom Olsen Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
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Re: P2K Stock Car Blues
Cyril Durrenberger
Richard,
That is about what I thought, as those Life Like cars look like cars built in the late 30's to 40's. I have not been able to locate a photo of the early 36' Mather stock cars except what is shown in the ORER's. Does anyone seen a photo of one of these early cars? Mather Horse Line and Mather Stock Car Co were listed as traveling on several lines as early as 1901. Cyril Durrenberger Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote: On Aug 23, 2008, at 8:13 PM, Cyril and Lynn Durrenberger wrote: If they started building these cars in 1915 (as indicated in theCyril, that post was a bit misleading. Mather began leasing stock cars before the turn of the century, but the 40'4" IL cars modeled by Life-Like were built in the 1920s and early 1930s and modified in the late 1930s and early 1940s (e.g., truss rods eliminated, trucks and brake equipment upgraded). They weren't around in 1915-1920. Mather was leasing 36' stock cars at that time, and the RRs that leased them usually indicated in their ORER entries that they were Mather cars (see, e.g., the B&O entry in the Oct. 1919 ORER). Richard Hendrickson
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