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Re: "Fascinated by the obscure"
SUVCWORR@...
In a message dated 2/7/2009 10:15:00 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
smithbf@... writes: On Sat, February 7, 2009 8:15 am, A. Premo wrote: Well,maybe not so obscure,but seeing an IC stock car,a Southern andArmand, The hoppers are a puzzle someone else might address, but coming up with a plausible story for the stock car is relatively easy. Clearly, it came from the west, most likely the Chicago area. I don't know how much finished beef ended up being shipped for slaughter to New England from Chicago but that is definitely one possibility. Large amounts certainly traveled as far as New York. This car would simply have been an available empty at the point of loading. Headed in the "wrong direction" according to car service rules, but hey, they needed an empty (and we all know by now that car service rules were often ignored at the local level)! Another option would be the transfer of breeding cattle (most likely dairy) from a location on the IC to the location in New England. After all, it is doubtful that the IC had an empty Rutland car on hand to load <VBG>. There are a number of make-up of trains showing PRR livestock trains (FW-8 and BNY-16) handing off loaded livestock cars to NH for delivery. Without waybills the ultimate delivery point is unknown but at least these documents potentially account for an IC car being in New England. Rich Orr **************Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000003)
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Re: "Fascinated by the obscure"
armprem
Well,maybe not so obscure,but seeing an IC stock car,a Southern and CBQ hopper in northern New England left me scratching my head .Armand Premo
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From: "Charlie Duckworth" <trduck@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 6:58 AM Subject: [STMFC] Re: "Fascinated by the obscure" Tom, back when I was experimenting with computer generatedOne of my former bosses on the Mopac had been an agent in western
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Re: AMB Wheels Masks - oil on rail
B.T. Charles
Dave, et al,
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in my experience working with cars equipped with with solid bearings*, oil spots will develop in patterned ways. While sitting spots of oil will pool or show up as "bell-curve" stains on the web and foot of the rail. On curves the outside of the high side rail and the inside of the lower rail will show traces of oil, generally along the foot and lower web. Track speed will also dictate as to how much oil will be seen. (*friction bearing to us olde tyme railroaders...) Similar to modeling faint traces of sand on steep hills, or piles of sand in stations and engine terminals, the oil stains will add to a modeling scene. Now if I could just apply my advice to my pike... Hope this helps! Romi Romano "devansprr" <devans1@...> wrote:
Pardon the interuption - perhaps a little off-topic. Does this mean
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Re: "Fascinated by the obscure"
Charlie Duckworth <trduck@...>
Tom, back when I was experimenting with computer generatedOne of my former bosses on the Mopac had been an agent in western Kansas in the 1950's. We were talking about ART reefers one day and I asked if he'd seen them in service in any of the agencies he worked. One winter an ART car was spotted at the freight dock and was loaded with gallons of house paint from a firm in Kansas City consigned to a local hardware store. He remembered it took him a couple of days to unload the car into the freight room of the depot as he was working by himself. Since oil paint doesn't freeze the Mopac had used the ART car as a substitute for a normal boxcar during the off season.
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Re: "Fascinated by the obscure"
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Tim O'Connor wrote:
Random is exactly that -- really cool stuff happens now and then, and it's memorable, even if it never happens again. The car-card/waybill ops at the club are never as much fun as that, because of a rigid adherence to repetition of supposedly 'typical' stuff.Quite true, Tim, about how car card systems often work--but there are a number of ways to introduce random or quasi-random events, even without computers. For some years I've been describing one I used to use, when I give my operation clinic. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: "Fascinated by the obscure"
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Mike Brock wrote:
Kinda like #6, the UP Fast Mail seen in Nebraska in 1957 with the last three cars being Pullmans. One Pullman [ Loyola ], one C&NW [ Chippewa ] and B&O [ Unionville ]. B&O? The Pullmans were being deadheaded east which is fine...but what was the B&O car doing in WY or UT or points west in '57? B&O may have been part of transcontinental service at one time but not with UP that I'm aware of.Probably in pool service. SP occasionally hosted B&O, PRR and other cars on loan, to substitute for cars in the shop. Remember, the railroads had taken over ownership of the cars from Pullman, but Pullman still conducted operations on most roads. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Waiating for moderator - Re: Re: AMB Wheels Masks
Ned Carey <nedspam@...>
From: Robert Klostermann
Ned, Your folder is empty. Can you upload them again.Bob, Uploaded photos must be approved before they show up. I don't know how long that takes. Ned
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Re: "Fascinated by the obscure"
Mike Brock <brockm@...>
Tom Madden writes:
"I understand Richard's point, and when I'm deeply involved in a serious operating session, anachronisms are a distraction. The cars cease being models and become objects that I'm trying to move from here to there, and a pickle car in a grain train just doesn't belong. But when I'm _not_ operating, it's the unusual that makes the scene visually interesting. When I walk into Mike's layout (and you _do_ have to walk into it), I look for the unusual. Not kitschy unusual (stegosaurs or nudists), but "hmmmm.." unusual. Like that N&W hopper. Or a blue B&M boxcar, far from home, in a lowly train of company service cars." Kinda like #6, the UP Fast Mail seen in Nebraska in 1957 with the last three cars being Pullmans. One Pullman [ Loyola ], one C&NW [ Chippewa ] and B&O [ Unionville ]. B&O? The Pullmans were being deadheaded east which is fine...but what was the B&O car doing in WY or UT or points west in '57? B&O may have been part of transcontinental service at one time but not with UP that I'm aware of. Wait 'til you see my rocket launching car next Jan. Mike Brock
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Re: "Fascinated by the obscure"
Tom, back when I was experimenting with computer generated
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switchlists, one day the computer consigned four SFRD reefers to a destination on a branchline that only occasionally got one reefer at a time out of a mix of 6 or so non-hopper cars. The funny thing is, without changing a thing, that particular consignment never repeated itself in HUNDREDS of dry runs of the software. Random is exactly that -- really cool stuff happens now and then, and it's memorable, even if it never happens again. The car-card/waybill ops at the club are never as much fun as that, because of a rigid adherence to repetition of supposedly 'typical' stuff. Tim O'Connor
Richard Hendrickson wrote:....Odd-ball cars did turn up occasionally on main line trunkNot the obscure - just the unusual. And "unusual" can be a very
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AAR box car sheathing/sill attachment point
Earl Tuson
While looking into 12 panel AAR box cars, I began to take notice of a variation in the method by which some AAR box cars had their sheathing attached to their side sills. The normal AAR design had the exterior sheathing riveted near the top of the angle side sill. However, photos of the ATSF, GN, and SP&S 12 panel cars show that the sheathing on those cars was riveted close to the bottom edge of the sill. Far less of the angle shows, no additional underframe rivets can be seen below the sheathing, and the line of rivets is in line with the rivets used to fasten the top of the poling pocket.
Some additional study of AAR box car photos shows that ATSF Bx-26, Bx-27, Bx-34, Bx-37, Bx-43, Bx-44, and Fe-24 cars, in addition to all of the 12 panel cars the road had, all had the low side sheet attachment. So did the EJ&E 60400-60699 (ACF 1941,) IC 28340 (PS 1941,) ITC 6300-6499 (ACF 1944,) many, if not all, 10'6" IH Canadian AAR box cars, and NKP 5000-5249, 5250-5499, and 7000-7299. I highly suspect this is not an exhaustive list. Am I just pointing out the obvious here, or has this design variation been overlooked by historians and modelers? It is proving to make pattern making for S scale 12 panel cars a bit more difficult, that is for sure. Earl Tuson
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Re: AMB Wheels Masks
Robert Klostermann <bboots@...>
Ned,
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Your folder is empty. Can you upload them again. Bob
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From: "Ned Carey" <nedspam@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: AMB Wheels Masks I just uploaded two photos of my own home made wheel painting fixture. It may be a while before one of our moderators approve them but they will be in a file named Ned Carey wheel paint tool. The tool has a hinged surface that opens up to install the wheelsets. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1938 - Release Date: 02/05/09 11:34:00
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NORWEST KITS & CASTINGS....PROMODELBUILDERS
Mansell Peter Hambly
February 15th is the last day that Norwest Kits & CastingS will be
available. See http://www.promodelbuilders.com/norwest/index.htm Mansell Peter Hambly COQUITLAM, B.C.
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Re: AMB Wheels Masks
David North <davenorth@...>
These are neat. I fabricated some wheel masks out of styrene and PC board
spacers. To mask the axle ends, I made caps out of shrink wrap tubing, pinching the outer end with a pair of flat nose pliers. They are reusable and quick to fit. Obviously there are different caps for each brand of wheel. Cheers Dave
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Re: AMB Wheels Masks
W. Lindsay Smith <wlindsays2000@...>
I use a drop of Micro Mask liquid on the axle ends
Lindsay Smith --- In STMFC@..., "Ned Carey" <nedspam@...> wrote: SNIP The hardest part is cleaning the axel tips off after painting. SNIP> Ned Carey SNIP
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Re: AMB Wheels Masks
Jack Burgess <jack@...>
A couple of years ago, I built a wheelset holder similar to the Modelers
Choice holder but found it difficult to get all of the wheelsets into it without others falling out. I therefore built one from my own design in later 2007 or so and an article on it was published in the September 2008 RMC. While it holds only a single wheelset at a time, it does have a way to cover the axle bearing surfaces. While mine is built from brass shapes, the AMB model is Plexiglas and holds 4 wheelsets but otherwise they are very similar designs. The last sentence of my article reads "Maybe a manufacturer will see the benefits of such a holder and release a commercial version in the near future that is even better!" Jack Burgess www.yosemitevalleyrr.com
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Re: "Fascinated by the obscure"
devansprr
--- In STMFC@..., "Tom Madden" <tgmadden@...> wrote:
Tom, Good story, and one wonders why the blue B&M was in such a consist, but your rational for taking the picture illustrates why so many photographs are suspect for doing population studies. Wide yard shots and distant train shots are good, but pictures of a few cars in the train - why did the photographer take a picture at THAT instant.... Another reason why Delano's yard photos are so valuable (compared to others). Dave Evans
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Re: AMB Wheels Masks
Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
--- In STMFC@..., "itc_725" <emfour@...> wrote:
Thanks to Tim O'Connor, Andy Sperandeo, Ned Carey, Jim Hayes, Mike Fortney and Bruce Smith for encouraging responses. I am about to make a purchase. Luckily this is something within my price range. The Modelers Choice masking device looks better for me since I would prefer to squirt paint on a large number of wheels and axles at one time. But either one is better than my two home-made gizmos. Gene Green
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"Post-ban" lettering for an ACF "Type II" reefer.
Rob M.
Good Evening,
I'm trying to finally finish my O scale Larry Muir ACF reefer, which according to my fine Westerfield reference, appears to have the physical characteristics of an AC&F "type II" car. Does anyone have leads on where I might find some post-billboard-ban URTC lettering for these cars? After I bought the car many moons ago I inadvertantly bought a Westerfield type III car for the fine documentation that Al includes in his car. Unfortunately the kit data sheet, "North Western Variations" is geared for the type III cars and not the URTC builds. I searched my Gene Green book, the Hendrickson/Kaminski book, The Great Yellow Fleet" and perhaps 6 xerox boxes of magazines, of which included the 'Essential Freight cars # 29' article on the ACF cars and couldn't come up with any URTC post-ban car pictures. I've found a few RR leased cars and some NWX photos that would do and the but nothing for any of the generic URTC non-RR leased cars. Lots o billboards but no plain Janes... Does any one have any leads? Thanks Much! Rob Mondichak.
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Re: AMB Wheels Masks
devansprr
--- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:
Tony, You are correct - I meant post solid bearings Dave
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"Fascinated by the obscure"
Tom Madden <tgmadden@...>
Richard Hendrickson wrote:
....Odd-ball cars did turn up occasionally on main line trunkNot the obscure - just the unusual. And "unusual" can be a very ordinary car completely out of context. Like Mike's N&W hopper on Sherman Hill. It catches your eye. I just went through some of my old slides and came upon three taken in sequence from the Sacramento depot platform in the Fall of 1959. Eastbound SP freight of indeterminate length led by a trio of notch-nose Alco something-or- other diesels in the 3800 series. With one exception all the cars visible in the photos are company service cars, mostly gons, including a UP ballast hopper and two SP tanks. The exception is a bright blue 50' B&M boxcar just ahead of the caboose. First photo shows the engines, second shows the two SP tanks (the second & third cars behind the diesels, with the UP hopper immediately following), and the third shows the B&M boxcar. Ahead of the B&M car stretches a long string of dirty red GS gondolas which I remember paying no attention to once I spotted the blue car approaching in the distance. I was young, operating on an enlisted man's wages, and film (plus developing) was relatively costly. So I rationed my film and shot the unusual, the things that caught my eye. I suspect I wasn't alone in this. I understand Richard's point, and when I'm deeply involved in a serious operating session, anachronisms are a distraction. The cars cease being models and become objects that I'm trying to move from here to there, and a pickle car in a grain train just doesn't belong. But when I'm _not_ operating, it's the unusual that makes the scene visually interesting. When I walk into Mike's layout (and you _do_ have to walk into it), I look for the unusual. Not kitschy unusual (stegosaurs or nudists), but "hmmmm.." unusual. Like that N&W hopper. Or a blue B&M boxcar, far from home, in a lowly train of company service cars. Tom Madden
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