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unpainted box car roofs

ed_mines
 

When did it become common not to paint galvanized box car roofs?

Ed


BCK boxcar roof color?

Bud Rindfleisch
 

Hi guys,
I'm trying to help a friend with info on the roof color of the Buffalo Creek boxcars, does anyone have that info? I am guessing when new they were unpainted galvanized, but Champ's lettering book calls for b.c. red sides and roof and black ends. I know that many times those sources are inaccurate.
My own experiences when I was a brakeman on the Buffalo Creek (1968) was at that period in time none of the roofs were "color" distinguishable they all were "grain spillage and pigeon dropping" grunge (defintely not a Crayola color choice for the kiddies!)
My friend models the mid fifties if that helps.
Thanks,
Bud Rindfleisch


Re: [resend] Life Magazine images from Google

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Ben,

Thanks for the link. I've added same to my bookmarks. This is a good thing to have access to here at work. ;-)

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

benjaminfrank_hom wrote:

Garth Groff wrote:
"RAILWAY PROTOTYPE CYCLOPEDIA had a very interesting story on these [cryogenic "boxcar" tank] cars, complete with rosters and plans.
Sorry, I'm at work and can't supply the issue number (but I'm sure
someone else can)."

RPCyc has a downloadable PDF index at
http://geocities.com/rpcyc/RP_CYC_Article_Index.pdf

This article appeared in Volume 14 and is still available from the publisher.
http://www.geocities.com/rpcyc/home.html


Ben Hom


Re: PRR Gon info request

water.kresse@...
 

Ben,

How close was it to the March 1918 USRA 100-ton gon proposal? Was it ribbed-sided? I ask that because I believe Pennsy's Kiesel was on their Mech Committee.

Al Kresse

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...>
Frank Bongiovanni wrote:
"Haven't found this in the archives, and my black letter on white paper
sources are unclear. I'm doing some research on high capacity gondolas
(Gene Huddleston has convinced me not to call them "battleship" gons).
PRR had a 110 ton gon, #306001, class G23.
Was this a one-of-a-kind? Any idea what years?
Pointing me to an appropriate available reference would also be
appreciated."

This was a single car built in 1919 and retired in 1952:
http://prr.railfan.net/freight/classpage.html?class=G23

I've already sent Al Kresse what I know about this car several months
ago.

Ben Hom


Re: [resend] Life Magazine images from Google

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Garth Groff wrote:
"RAILWAY PROTOTYPE CYCLOPEDIA had a very interesting story on these
[cryogenic "boxcar" tank] cars, complete with rosters and plans.
Sorry, I'm at work and can't supply the issue number (but I'm sure
someone else can)."

RPCyc has a downloadable PDF index at
http://geocities.com/rpcyc/RP_CYC_Article_Index.pdf

This article appeared in Volume 14 and is still available from the
publisher.
http://www.geocities.com/rpcyc/home.html


Ben Hom


Re: PRR Gon info request

water.kresse@...
 

Frank,

Rich Burg and Ben Homm sent me something a while back. Yes, it was a one-off, dedicated service test car built in their own shops with what looked like tender trucks under it.

Al

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "bongiovanni12001" <bongiovanni1@...>
Haven't found this in the archives, and my black letter on white paper
sources are unclear. I'm doing some research on high capacity gondolas
(Gene Huddleston has convinced me not to call them "battleship" gons).
PRR had a 110 ton gon, #306001, class G23.

Was this a one-of-a-kind? Any idea what years?
Pointing me to an appropriate available reference would also be
appreciated. Thank you.

Frank Bongiovanni


Re: [resend] Life Magazine images from Google

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Richard,

Yes, that "boxcar" is actually a tank car. These cars were used by Linde and National Cylinder Gas to carry industrial gasses. LAPX was a Linde reporting mark, with many later Linde cars marked SERX. The cars had tanks inside the boxcar body to protect their delicate valves and other equipment. Special vents were built into the roofs and sometimes the sides to clear expanding gasses. Most also had small access doors cut into the ends just above the couplers. Cars of this type were in use from the late 1930s to at least the early 1980s. RAILWAY PROTOTYPE CYCLOPEDIA had a very interesting story on these cars, complete with rosters and plans. Sorry, I'm at work and can't supply the issue number (but I'm sure someone else can).

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff



Adam & Laura Eyring wrote:

The second photo on the freight car page looks interesting. A tank inside a box car. Why would this be? An earlier method of insulating tanks?

Adam

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Brennan" <brennan8@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 3:08 PM
Subject: [STMFC] [resend] Life Magazine images from Google



All

Google Images has started hosting a collection of images from Life Magazine.
Search <http://images.google.com/>
(not "regular" Google...) and add "source:life" after your search...

A few obvious ones:
freight car: <http://images.google.com/images?q=freight+car+source:life>

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Re: LIFE Magazine Photos

John F. Cizmar
 

My guess is that it is the Union Stockyards.
John F. Cizmar

--- On Sat, 11/22/08, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: LIFE Magazine Photos
To: STMFC@...
Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 8:39 PM






Anyone recognize this location in the Chicago area? That
deck-on-a-deck structure on the left would seem to be a
landmark, I don't recall ever seeing that before.

http://images. google.com/ hosted/life/ f?q=Railroads+ source:life& imgurl=c8c944bb1 f85f35a

Tim O'Connor


















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Santa Fe piggyback decal question

sfeforever
 

I'm in the process of finishing up a SFe Ft-5 early piggyback car and
need the "this end toward dock" and "other end toward dock" decal. Is
anything like this available ? The thought of letter by letter
application doesn't quite agree with me.
Thanks to anyone who answers,
Dwight Wedel


Re: [resend] Life Magazine images from Google

Adam & Laura Eyring <eyrings06@...>
 

The second photo on the freight car page looks interesting. A tank inside a box car. Why would this be? An earlier method of insulating tanks?

Adam

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Brennan" <brennan8@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 3:08 PM
Subject: [STMFC] [resend] Life Magazine images from Google


All

Google Images has started hosting a collection of images from Life Magazine.
Search <http://images.google.com/>
(not "regular" Google...) and add "source:life" after your search...

A few obvious ones:
freight car: <http://images.google.com/images?q=freight+car+source:life>


Re: Image Of Union Pacific Stock Cars From LIFE Magazine

Dave Nelson
 

Tim, A whole lot of eastern Utah coal is ordinary boiler coal and much of it
was shipped to northwestern states.

Dave Nelson

Tim O'Connor wrote:

What was at Arco, Idaho that would require coal from the Rio Grande?
A smelter of some kind?

Tim O'Connor


Re: Up car help

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Richard Hendrickson writes:

"I ask because Trix produced an HO model painted and lettered to
represent the A-50-19 class, but the model itself actually
represented the earlier A-50-16 class which had different sides,
ends, doors, etc. It's easy to be misled by this error if you don't
know about it. The Trix car can be reworked into a nice model of an
A-50-16 but must be repainted and relettered."

Or, you can take the much easier route and simply change the car number to the A-50-16 class...one digit will work and change the "9" in A-50-19 to a "6". You are left with a Ld Limit and Lt Wt that is slightly off but you can change those too...or simply weather that area. The dimensional data is also slightly off but the same method works wonders there too. Anyhow...that's what I did.

Mike Brock


Re: PRR Gon info request

Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
 

Fred Freitas wrote:
"To build [an HO scale Class G23 gon], I would start with 2 pair of ends
from a GSh kit, placing on atop the other to fit the diagrams. The rest of
the body would need to be fabricated from styrene side, and made to order
ribs. I Won't be trying this any time soon."

Craig Bossler scratchbuilt a model which won first place in HO scale freight
cars at the 2004 PRRT&HS Annual Meeting. A photo appeared in the June 2004
issue of TKM.


Ben Hom


Re: PRR Gon info request

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

Frank,
 
          This was a one-of-a-kind PRR gon. It was used in captive service between Derry, PA  and Baltimore's Canton coal piers. It rode on six wheel trucks that remind me of the heavy duty type used on the B&LE cars. It had two hopper outlets in the bottom of the clam shell variety.
 
          Dimenions can be found at Rob Schoenberg's site in the links section of the PRRT&HS website. To build one, I would start with 2 pair of ends from a GSh kit, placing on atop the other to fit the diagrams. The rest of the body would need to be fabricated from styrene side, and made to order ribs. I Won't be trying this any time soon.
 
          The photo I'm reading from is in the Wayner photo book of PRR cars as the placard is readable above the spelled out roadname. Hope you find what you need and actually give building it a try.
 
Fred Freitas

--- On Sun, 11/23/08, bongiovanni12001 <bongiovanni1@...> wrote:

From: bongiovanni12001 <bongiovanni1@...>
Subject: [STMFC] PRR Gon info request
To: STMFC@...
Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 8:10 PM






Haven't found this in the archives, and my black letter on white paper
sources are unclear. I'm doing some research on high capacity gondolas
(Gene Huddleston has convinced me not to call them "battleship" gons).
PRR had a 110 ton gon, #306001, class G23.

Was this a one-of-a-kind? Any idea what years?
Pointing me to an appropriate available reference would also be
appreciated. Thank you.

Frank Bongiovanni


Re: PRR Gon info request

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Frank Bongiovanni wrote:
"Haven't found this in the archives, and my black letter on white paper
sources are unclear. I'm doing some research on high capacity gondolas
(Gene Huddleston has convinced me not to call them "battleship" gons).
PRR had a 110 ton gon, #306001, class G23.
Was this a one-of-a-kind? Any idea what years?
Pointing me to an appropriate available reference would also be
appreciated."

This was a single car built in 1919 and retired in 1952:
http://prr.railfan.net/freight/classpage.html?class=G23

I've already sent Al Kresse what I know about this car several months
ago.


Ben Hom


PRR Gon info request

bongiovanni12001
 

Haven't found this in the archives, and my black letter on white paper
sources are unclear. I'm doing some research on high capacity gondolas
(Gene Huddleston has convinced me not to call them "battleship" gons).
PRR had a 110 ton gon, #306001, class G23.

Was this a one-of-a-kind? Any idea what years?
Pointing me to an appropriate available reference would also be
appreciated. Thank you.

Frank Bongiovanni


Re: Up car help

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Nov 23, 2008, at 3:10 PM, Aley, Jeff A wrote:

Hi Richard,

Am I correct in my belief that the UP A-50-19 can be modeled using
the old C&BT shops kit? As I recall, they had a 40' 10'6 IH w/
double doors, panel roof, and 4/4 early IDE. It was their kit 0407
(w/ separate details) and kit 010407 (w/ molded-on details).







Yes.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Up car help

rdietrichson
 

Jeff,
Thanks, only I'm modeling in N, and am going to use a Rocco PS car as the basis of the kitbash..
Rick

----- Original Message -----
From: Aley, Jeff A
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 6:10 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Up car help


Hi Richard,

Am I correct in my belief that the UP A-50-19 can be modeled using the old C&BT shops kit? As I recall, they had a 40' 10'6 IH w/ double doors, panel roof, and 4/4 early IDE. It was their kit 0407 (w/ separate details) and kit 010407 (w/ molded-on details).

Regards,

-Jeff

________________________________
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Richard Hendrickson
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 12:03 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Up car help

Do you plan to model an A-50-19, and if so, how?

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Up car help

Aley, Jeff A
 

Hi Richard,

Am I correct in my belief that the UP A-50-19 can be modeled using the old C&BT shops kit? As I recall, they had a 40' 10'6 IH w/ double doors, panel roof, and 4/4 early IDE. It was their kit 0407 (w/ separate details) and kit 010407 (w/ molded-on details).

Regards,

-Jeff






________________________________
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Richard Hendrickson
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 12:03 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Up car help

Do you plan to model an A-50-19, and if so, how?

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Up car help

rdietrichson
 

Hey Dick,
I'm modeling early winter 1950. I'm modeling the 3rd district of the Valley Division primartly in the Richmond area. I model in N scale, so the Trix model does me no good.
I would welcome the pics though. My address is: Rdietrichson@... .
Thamks
Rick

----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Hendrickson
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Up car help


On Nov 23, 2008, at 10:52 AM, rdietrichson wrote:

> Hey everyone,
> I have some questions regarding 2 UP cars:
> 1. Does anyone out there have a picture of a UP gon in the 99500-99999
> number series? I am not sure of the class.
>

G-50-9. I have in-service photos I can send you off-list. What era
are you modeling?
>
> 2. What type of roof did the Class A50-19 40' double door box cars
> have,
> raised panel, or diagonal panel.
> 3. What color was the roof on the A50-19?
>

Builder's photos show these cars with a rectangular panel roof. When
new, it was unpainted galvanized steel with Apex steel running boards
painted oxide red. Do you plan to model an A-50-19, and if so, how?
I ask because Trix produced an HO model painted and lettered to
represent the A-50-19 class, but the model itself actually
represented the earlier A-50-16 class which had different sides,
ends, doors, etc. It's easy to be misled by this error if you don't
know about it. The Trix car can be reworked into a nice model of an
A-50-16 but must be repainted and relettered.

Richard Hendrickson

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