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Re: In Praise of the NWSL Chopper

Bruce Smith
 

On Sep 3, 2008, at 11:36 PM, Jason Sanford wrote:

For some reason my Chopper 2 does not cut very square and it is brand new. Anyone else have this problem? It really stands out on larger stock.

Jason Sanford
Jason,

The Chopper 2 will not cut thick stock straight because the razor blade used does have some flexibility. One way to deal with this is to cut part way through the stock and then rotate it and cut the rest of the way. This problem is exacerbated with a dull blade (but since you said brand new, I doubt that is the problem).

Regards
Bruce

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Re: In Praise of the NWSL Chopper

Charles Hladik
 

Rob,
Maybe you could drill and tap a few more holes.


Chuck Hladik
Rutland Railroad
Virginia Division
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GN frt cars in interchange

Robert kirkham
 

Another from my notes: July 1, 1925 Dave Shaw Collection - ?C.R. Littlebury photo?- CPR, Vancouver, B.C., N-yard, shows end of GN211467 - double sheathed car.

Rob Kirkham


Re: In Praise of the NWSL Chopper

Stokes John
 

Bill,

You may not have heard this, but it has been discussed on other groups and NWSL has been sold to Oso Publishing and etc. makers of several HO and O scale kits, and railroad book publisher, and is is being said that the new owner intends to keep the NWSL product line intact. He is moving the production and inventory to their headquarters in Montana from Seattle.


While I would doubt that a successful product like the chopper II would be discontinued, I would recommend anyone interested in its continuance contact Oso directly.
John Stokes
Bellevue, WA



To: STMFC@...: robev1630@...: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 23:21:59 -0500Subject: Re: [STMFC] In Praise of the NWSL Chopper

Bill,I totally agree. I have had the Chopper 1 and 2. The 2 is much better but I wish it had more holes for the clamps. I have been using mine to true up the sides of the 1/2 boxcar ends used on the 2 Sunshine ATSF GA-6 & 8 gons I have just built. Sincerely,Rob Manley----- Original Message ----- From: lnbill To: STMFC@... Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 12:44 PMSubject: [STMFC] In Praise of the NWSL ChopperI just finished scratch building "board by board" a double-board roof using the latest version of Northwest Shortline's "Chopper" and it is so much better than the original. The new version has an easily replaceable rubber mat which is important since it will eventually become scored by the blade. Just as significant to me the blade of the single razorblade is held much more rigidly, resulting in a cut that much more square on the end.I mention all of this as NWSL is up for sale and as we are learning, things change when this happens, including things disappearing altogether.Bill Welch


GN frt cars in interchange

Robert kirkham
 

GN76001 filled with scrap steel rod in Drake St. yard, CPR, Vancouver, B.C. July 10, 1947 (does that 5 digit number make sense? or do I need to go check the photo?)

Rob Kirkham


Re: In Praise of the NWSL Chopper

Jason Sanford <parkcitybranch@...>
 

For some reason my Chopper 2 does not cut very square and it is brand new.  Anyone else have this problem?  It really stands out on larger stock.
 
Jason Sanford






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Re: In Praise of the NWSL Chopper

Rob & Bev Manley
 

Bill,
I totally agree. I have had the Chopper 1 and 2. The 2 is much better but I wish it had more holes for the clamps.
I have been using mine to true up the sides of the 1/2 boxcar ends used on the 2 Sunshine ATSF GA-6 & 8 gons I have just built.

Sincerely,
Rob Manley

----- Original Message -----
From: lnbill
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 12:44 PM
Subject: [STMFC] In Praise of the NWSL Chopper


I just finished scratch building "board by board" a double-board roof
using the latest version of Northwest Shortline's "Chopper" and it is
so much better than the original. The new version has an easily
replaceable rubber mat which is important since it will eventually
become scored by the blade. Just as significant to me the blade of the
single razorblade is held much more rigidly, resulting in a cut that
much more square on the end.

I mention all of this as NWSL is up for sale and as we are learning,
things change when this happens, including things disappearing
altogether.

Bill Welch


Re: colors for Great Northern . . .

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Rod Miller wrote:
I don't know whether you were attempting to provide a complete list of paints that match Dark Olive . . .
No, just intending to provide examples, and especially to make people aware that some of the military paints are quite close.

In the event that you were, you forgot to mention PBL's Star Brand paint "UP/SP/Rio Grande Dark Olive". I haven't tested it, and wonder if anyone has.
Thanks for the reminder. The PBL color is superbly accurate, maybe no surprise since they had access to an SP paint chip to match.

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Re: Boxcar help request

Bob Anson
 

thanks John, very much appreciate your time...

Bob Anson %~)

--- On Wed, 9/3/08, john66h <john66h@...> wrote:
From: john66h <john66h@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Boxcar help request
To: STMFC@...
Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 5:13 PM











--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, Bob Anson <e2picasso@. ..> wrote:

i posted photos in files section, gonna guess no help out there...


Bob,



Your photos are somewhat out of focus, but assuming the end is an

R-3-4 Early Improved Dreadnaught, the closest cars I was able to find are:



CIL 1601-1690

http://www.rr- fallenflags. org/monon/ mon1620amf. jpg

http://www.rr- fallenflags. org/monon/ mon1620bmf. jpg

http://www.rr- fallenflags. org/monon/ mon1620cmf. jpg



PRR X44 604000-604999

http://tinyurl. com/5co55b



As Andy mentioned, the door panels are not exactly correct, but my

notes show both of these cars have 16 panel sides, 8' Improved

Youngstown door, diagonal panel roof, R-3-4 Early Improved Dreadnaught

ends. Photos appear to confirm tabbed side sill.



Hope this is helpful,



John Hile,

Blacksburg, VA





























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Re: Boxcar help request

john66h <john66h@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., Bob Anson <e2picasso@...> wrote:

i posted photos in files section, gonna guess no help out there...










Bob,

Your photos are somewhat out of focus, but assuming the end is an
R-3-4 Early Improved Dreadnaught, the closest cars I was able to find are:

CIL 1601-1690
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/monon/mon1620amf.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/monon/mon1620bmf.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/monon/mon1620cmf.jpg

PRR X44 604000-604999
http://tinyurl.com/5co55b

As Andy mentioned, the door panels are not exactly correct, but my
notes show both of these cars have 16 panel sides, 8' Improved
Youngstown door, diagonal panel roof, R-3-4 Early Improved Dreadnaught
ends. Photos appear to confirm tabbed side sill.

Hope this is helpful,

John Hile,
Blacksburg, VA


Type D and E couplers

Guy Wilber
 

In a message dated 9/1/2008 3:31:33 PM Central Daylight Time,
stevelucas3@... writes:

Likely you are aware that NMRA data sheet D9p has a short write-up on
MCB/AAR coupler contours and couplers, including mention of the MCB
type D, given in the data sheet as being designed in 1904, made AAR
standard in 1918, and allowed for use in new construction until the
Type E was approved as AAR standard in 1932.

The Type D coupler was adopted as "standard" by the MCBA in 1916. The
modified contour (No. 10) with a 6" x 8" shank Type D was adopted as "standard" in
1918. The Type E coupler was presented to the ARA's membership for adoption
as "standard" (via letter ballot) in 1931. The ballot passed and the Type E
replaced the Type D effective March 1, 1932.

The Type E was required (in interchange) on all cars built new on or after
August 1, 1933 and on all cars rebuilt on or after August 1, 1937. Type D
couplers cast after August 1, 1936 were prohibited on all cars (in interchange)
as of January 1, 1937.

Exceptions within the Interchange Rules covering the installation of
couplers are numerous from the mid 1930s thru the 1950s. The exceptions generally
centered on the structural limitations of early car construction which would
not allow couplers with larger shanks to be applied to cars when rebuilt or
repaired.



Does anyone have an AAR Field Manual of the Interchange Rules for 1956
that can answer if Type D couplers were legal for interchange at that
time?

The Type D was still permitted in interchange thru 1960 the final year we
focus on here.


Regards,

Guy Wilber
West Bend, WI





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Re: GN frt cars in interchange

armprem
 

There were 25 GN boxcars and 1 flat car on Train #9 westbound on the Rutland during the month of December 1950.Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 2:18 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: GN frt cars in interchange


I don't have any paperwork from the WM but I do have Bill Price
slides, B&W photos and videos of WM freight trains in the vicinity of
Cumberland MD, circa 1951-1954. WM was primarily a bridge route so
westbound trains are headed for interchange with the P&WV or the P&LE.
Eastbound trains are headed for eastern destinations on the WM or
interchange, primarily with the RDG.

I can identify 9 GN 40 ft boxcars. I can't read car numbers but I have
tentatively identified car types based on GN rosters and photos, car
height compared with adjacent, identifiable cars, door type, the
bottom of the car side (e.g. straight or tabs), and the ends when
visible. Here is the list:
Video clip, train 1, westbound, 3 GN boxcars in a six car string:
postwar AAR, 30000 series, 25000 series
Video clip, train 2: GN 30000 series
Price slide set 16, slide 16: GN 30000 series
Price slide set 41, slide 14: GN 30000 series, westbound
WM Steam Album, page 99, GN AAR SS wood sides, eastbound
Steam in the Alleghenies, page 61, postwar AAR, westbound (Bob Collins
photo)
Bob Lorenz photo: truss rod SS boxcar, Hagerstown, 1949

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA

Staffan Ehnbom wrote:
I intend to try and do a clinic on Great Northern freight cars in
interchange and would love to hear samples of GN cars shown to be
on "foreign"roads. I would appreciate receiveing info on the GN car
number, location or in a train headed where from where?






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Re: GN frt cars in interchange

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Staffan;



I do not have my stats at hand, but recall numerous GN cars in interchange on
the PRR. Most numerous were those cars being interchanged off RRs onto the
"Pittsburgh, Fort Wayne & Chicago" portion of Line West, which I saw in
quantity in the Conway Yard west of Pittsburgh. Smaller numbers were
transferred onto the Division I model, bound for lumberyards along the
Monongahela. I recall everything from plain jane 40-footers in early
schemes, the bright red and then the pointing-goat green schemes of the 60's.
I saw more GN cars, statistically, than NP, but both roads were well
represented, particularly given their distance from Pgh.



Elden Gatwood



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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Larry
Kline
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 1:18 PM
To: STMFC list
Subject: [STMFC] Re: GN frt cars in interchange



I don't have any paperwork from the WM but I do have Bill Price
slides, B&W photos and videos of WM freight trains in the vicinity of
Cumberland MD, circa 1951-1954. WM was primarily a bridge route so
westbound trains are headed for interchange with the P&WV or the P&LE.
Eastbound trains are headed for eastern destinations on the WM or
interchange, primarily with the RDG.

I can identify 9 GN 40 ft boxcars. I can't read car numbers but I have
tentatively identified car types based on GN rosters and photos, car
height compared with adjacent, identifiable cars, door type, the
bottom of the car side (e.g. straight or tabs), and the ends when
visible. Here is the list:
Video clip, train 1, westbound, 3 GN boxcars in a six car string:
postwar AAR, 30000 series, 25000 series
Video clip, train 2: GN 30000 series
Price slide set 16, slide 16: GN 30000 series
Price slide set 41, slide 14: GN 30000 series, westbound
WM Steam Album, page 99, GN AAR SS wood sides, eastbound
Steam in the Alleghenies, page 61, postwar AAR, westbound (Bob Collins
photo)
Bob Lorenz photo: truss rod SS boxcar, Hagerstown, 1949

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA

Staffan Ehnbom wrote:
I intend to try and do a clinic on Great Northern freight cars in
interchange and would love to hear samples of GN cars shown to be
on "foreign"roads. I would appreciate receiveing info on the GN car
number, location or in a train headed where from where?



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Re: colors for Great Northern . . .

Rod Miller
 

Hi Tony,

I don't know whether you were attempting to provide
a complete list of paints that match Dark Olive. In
the event that you were, you forgot to mention PBL's
Star Brand paint "UP/SP/Rio Grande Dark Olive". I
haven't tested it, and wonder if anyone has.

Regards,

Rod

Anthony Thompson wrote:

Dave Nelson wrote:
Am currious: which one?
in reply to my message-----
> I do know that at least one commercial paint calling itself
"GN green" is an accurate match to SP color chips for "Dark Olive" passenger car paint, and NOT to Pullman green.<
The Accuflex "GN Green" (paint #16-65) was an excellent match to the SP "Dark Olive" paint chip. Polly S "Olive Drab," #500850 or FS 33070, was also quite close. Scalecoat's "Pullman Green" was not at all close to the SP chip, while Model Masters (Testors) "Olive Drab" (#1711 or FS 34087) is pretty close, though too green and without the balance of yellow and brown in the SP chip.
These of course are SP paint conclusions, but note that the Accuflex color, called "GN Green," is not at all close to the Scalecoat "Pullman Green," though the latter is not a bad match to the paint chip in Arthur Dubin's Pullman paint chips in his Kalmbach painting book.
I will leave it to the GN experts to say whether this "GN Green" is the same as "Empire Builder Green."
Tim O'Connor wrote:
>I believe Tony refers to Scalecoat GN Green, which is much darker than
SC GN Empire Builder Green. <
No. I did not test either color.
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Re: colors for Great Northern . . .

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Dave Nelson wrote:
Am currious: which one?
in reply to my message-----
> I do know that at least one commercial paint calling itself
"GN green" is an accurate match to SP color chips for "Dark Olive" passenger car paint, and NOT to Pullman green.<
The Accuflex "GN Green" (paint #16-65) was an excellent match to the SP "Dark Olive" paint chip. Polly S "Olive Drab," #500850 or FS 33070, was also quite close. Scalecoat's "Pullman Green" was not at all close to the SP chip, while Model Masters (Testors) "Olive Drab" (#1711 or FS 34087) is pretty close, though too green and without the balance of yellow and brown in the SP chip.
These of course are SP paint conclusions, but note that the Accuflex color, called "GN Green," is not at all close to the Scalecoat "Pullman Green," though the latter is not a bad match to the paint chip in Arthur Dubin's Pullman paint chips in his Kalmbach painting book.
I will leave it to the GN experts to say whether this "GN Green" is the same as "Empire Builder Green."

Tim O'Connor wrote:
I believe Tony refers to Scalecoat GN Green, which is much darker than
SC GN Empire Builder Green. <

No. I did not test either color.

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Re: GN frt cars in interchange

Larry Kline
 

I don't have any paperwork from the WM but I do have Bill Price
slides, B&W photos and videos of WM freight trains in the vicinity of
Cumberland MD, circa 1951-1954. WM was primarily a bridge route so
westbound trains are headed for interchange with the P&WV or the P&LE.
Eastbound trains are headed for eastern destinations on the WM or
interchange, primarily with the RDG.

I can identify 9 GN 40 ft boxcars. I can't read car numbers but I have
tentatively identified car types based on GN rosters and photos, car
height compared with adjacent, identifiable cars, door type, the
bottom of the car side (e.g. straight or tabs), and the ends when
visible. Here is the list:
Video clip, train 1, westbound, 3 GN boxcars in a six car string:
postwar AAR, 30000 series, 25000 series
Video clip, train 2: GN 30000 series
Price slide set 16, slide 16: GN 30000 series
Price slide set 41, slide 14: GN 30000 series, westbound
WM Steam Album, page 99, GN AAR SS wood sides, eastbound
Steam in the Alleghenies, page 61, postwar AAR, westbound (Bob Collins
photo)
Bob Lorenz photo: truss rod SS boxcar, Hagerstown, 1949

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA

Staffan Ehnbom wrote:
I intend to try and do a clinic on Great Northern freight cars in
interchange and would love to hear samples of GN cars shown to be
on "foreign"roads. I would appreciate receiveing info on the GN car
number, location or in a train headed where from where?


Re: colors for Great Northern . . .

Tim O'Connor
 

I believe Tony refers to Scalecoat GN Green, which is much darker
than SC GN Empire Builder Green. I find the SC EB Green to be a
good match for -faded- GN EB Green (which I have seen personally)
but not for factory-fresh EB Green which is darker and browner. The
recent Walthers (P2K) F units and passenger cars in EB colors are
a near match to my Railway Classics and Challenger passenger cars.
When it comes to these colors on freight cars, consistency is less
important than on locomotives and passenger cars. The SC EB
orange is, IMO, very close to the original. I can tell you first hand
that many colors & combinations have been produced by vendors,
including brass models. I'm sure this is why the topic is so active
among GN modelers.

Tim O'Connor

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Dave Nelson" <Lake_Muskoka@...>
Am currious: which one?

Dave Nelson

-----Original Message-----
I do know that at least one commercial paint calling itself "GN
green" is an accurate match to SP color chips for "Dark Olive"
passenger car paint, and NOT to Pullman green.

Tony Thompson


In Praise of the NWSL Chopper

lnbill <bwelch@...>
 

I just finished scratch building "board by board" a double-board roof
using the latest version of Northwest Shortline's "Chopper" and it is
so much better than the original. The new version has an easily
replaceable rubber mat which is important since it will eventually
become scored by the blade. Just as significant to me the blade of the
single razorblade is held much more rigidly, resulting in a cut that
much more square on the end.

I mention all of this as NWSL is up for sale and as we are learning,
things change when this happens, including things disappearing
altogether.

Bill Welch


Re: colors for Great Northern . . .

Dave Nelson
 

Am currious: which one?

Dave Nelson

-----Original Message-----
I do know that at least one commercial paint calling itself "GN
green" is an accurate match to SP color chips for "Dark Olive"
passenger car paint, and NOT to Pullman green.

Tony Thompson


Re: Boxcar help request

Andy Carlson
 

The car appears to be a 50' 16 panel 8' Single door boxcar. I am having problems viewing the end photo. The door is bizzare, for a 4/6/6 improved Youngstown door would typically come on a 10-0 IH boxcar, which I don't recall ever knowing of a 8' door 10-0 IH 50' 16 panel car..... Ignore the door, and there are lots of 50'ers with these other characteristics. How about a NP???

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

--- On Wed, 9/3/08, Bob Anson <e2picasso@...> wrote:

From: Bob Anson <e2picasso@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Boxcar help request
To: STMFC@...
Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 6:22 AM
i posted photos in files section, gonna guess no help out
there...

Bob Anson %~)

--- On Sun, 8/31/08, Anthony Thompson
<thompson@...> wrote:
From: Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Boxcar help request
To: STMFC@...
Date: Sunday, August 31, 2008, 7:38 PM











Bob Anson wrote:

thats the car in question.... now what the heck do i
do with it is the

problem


Bob, tell us what kind of roof, what kind of ends, and how
wide

the doors are, and we may be able to help. (We'll hope
PSC didn't

completely invent it . . .)



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