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Re: HOMGAS tank cars

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Dec 15, 2008, at 4:35 AM, Don Janes wrote:

Hello Group: HOMEGAS tank cars saw regular service on the CV years
ago. A few years ago Atlas released some 11,000 gal tank cars in the
HOMGAS scheme, one lettered for "NORTH MONSON, MASS H.G.C.X 70" and
anther for "PALMER, MASS H.G.C.X. 63". Just wondering if anyone knows
how many prototype cars were letterd this way and what their number
series would have been. Also if anyone had the "HOUSATONIC, MASS"
version they want to sell I would be interested.








Don, in the 7/47 Official Railway Equipment Register the Home Gas
Corporation entry shows two cars numbered 70 and 119, and in the
10/50 ORER five cars were listed, numbered 63, 70, 119, 214, and
978. The 1/53, 1/55, and 10/58 ORERs show the same five cars, so it
can be assumed that the Home Gas fleet remained at five cars during
the period covered by this list. All of them were 11K gal.
ICC-105A300Ws. It appears that each of the five cars was in
dedicated service to a particular LPG distributing station, hence the
North Monson, Palmer, Housatonic, etc. stenciling. As it happens, I
have AC&F builder's photos of three of the five cars; doubtless Atlas
also had access to these. HGCX 70 was built in 8/44 and stenciled "B
& A SIDING HOUSATONIC MASS."; HGCX 119 was built in 10/45 and HGCX
214 was built in 4/48; both were stenciled just "HOUSATONIC, MASS."
without reference to the B&A siding. HGCX 70 and 119 were of an
earlier AC&F design with a longer, smaller diameter tank, while HGCX
214 (and presumably HGCX 978) were later AC&F cars with a slightly
shorter, larger diameter tank; it's that later design that Atlas
modeled, so Atlas models with P and L for the earlier Homgas cars are
not prototypically correct.

FWIW, only North Monson was listed in the ORER as a "home point."
Aside from Milton, PA (the AC&F plant where the cars were built and
presumably serviced), the other home points were Grasmere, NH; New
Bedford, MA; Oxford, ME; and Van Deusenville, MA. Those more
familiar with New England than I may be able to suggest why those
locations were home points, i.e. points where empty cars were to be
returned. And you thought you were asking a simple question. I
guess the conclusion to be drawn from this is that if you're going to
model one of these cars, one is certainly enough, and it should be
either HGCX 214 or 978.

Richard Hendrickson
Any need for these?

reporterllc
 

I have a number of Sunshine Models order forms (maybe 15?), most for
cars no longer available.

As you know, they include a photo or two, roster and history of the car
offered.

Would these be of interest to anyone? Say for $1, I could stick them
all in an envelope and mail them pronto. First come first serve.


Victor Baird
Fort Wayne, Indiana
Any need for these?

reporterllc
 

I have a number of Sunshine Models order forms (maybe 15?), most for
cars no longer available.

As you know, they include a photo or two, roster and history of the car
offered.

Would these be of interest to anyone? Say for $1, I could stick them
all in an envelope and mail them pronto. First come first serve.


Victor Baird
Fort Wayne, Indiana
Seeking photocopy from a RMC back issue

lnbill <bwelch@...>
 

I am hoping someone on the list may be able to send me a photocopy
from the May 1988 issue of Rail Model Craftman of an article on
National Car Company flats that apparently ran in that issue. Please
contact me offline at bwelch@...

I will of course compensate for any copying and mailing costs.

Bill Welch
Decals for Intermountain 1958 cf Covered Hoppers

rgs0554
 

Hi all, In searching for suitable decals for the subject cars I ran across two sets of cecals from
Microscale. They are 87-660 for gray or red cars and 87-661 for black cars. The decals
specifically are for numerous Shippers Car Line customers but the dimensional data is pretty
much universal for 1958 C/H. The reason I'm doing this posting is that Microscale is
discontinuing these two sets and apparently has already pulled them from their computer
search. I stumbled across them by accident. when I last checked Microscale still had an
inventory of several hundred sets. Regards, Don Smith
Re: Resin parts

Earl T. Hackett <hacketet@...>
 

This is a bit OT for this group - it would be more appropriate for the
Scratchbuilding group, but with the permission of the moderator I'll
stick it in the files section. One note however, my techniques are
intended for very small scale production of parts, I don't need many
of them, but I expect them to be archival. So although the materials
I use are readily available and inexpensive, they are not commonly
used by modelers.

--- In STMFC@..., "Schuyler Larrabee"
<schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:
So, here we have two great offers. What's the prospect of these
being written up, at least in
outline form, and put in the files area?? Both are likely
interesting to some of us, and it saves
each of you sending multiple emails to respond to individual
requests.

SGL
HOMGAS tank cars

Don Janes <djjanes@...>
 

Hello Group: HOMEGAS tank cars saw regular service on the CV years
ago. A few years ago Atlas released some 11,000 gal tank cars in the
HOMGAS scheme, one lettered for "NORTH MONSON, MASS H.G.C.X 70" and
anther for "PALMER, MASS H.G.C.X. 63". Just wondering if anyone knows
how many prototype cars were letterd this way and what their number
series would have been. Also if anyone had the "HOUSATONIC, MASS"
version they want to sell I would be interested.

Thanks in advance
Don Janes
Sarnia, ON
Re: Resin parts

Lawrence Rast
 

Jack Consoli's "Modeling the Pennsylvania Railroad's Gondola Fleet,
Part 18-2 – The G28 Class Gondola Variants," which appeared in the
April 2008 "Keystone Modeler" featured a discussion of resin casting
and showed his homemade vacuum chamber. It may be found at:

http://prrths.com/Keystone%20Modeler/Keystone_Modeler_PDFs/TKM%20No.%2057%2004-08%20PDF.pdf

Best,
Lawrence Rast

On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 7:03 PM, Mark Morgan <bnonut@...> wrote:
Sounds like a great idea SGL. I beleive some of us would like to make
castings, I have thought of it several times.

Sincerely, Mark Morgan MEM

--- On Sun, 12/14/08, Schuyler Larrabee <schuyler.larrabee@...>
wrote:

From: Schuyler Larrabee <schuyler.larrabee@...>
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Resin parts
To: STMFC@...
Date: Sunday, December 14, 2008, 6:27 PM

-----Original Message-----
From: Earl T. Hackett

I used RTV silicone caulk to attach a 6" PVC pipe union to some 1/2"
aluminum plate and to form a seal to some 1" thick acrylic sheet for a
see through top. A needle valve in the top allows me to control
vacuum level during resin degassing. If anyone wants details on how
to set up a resin vacuum casting system, contact me off line.
And

-----Original Message-----

I agree with both Al and Earl. As I said these would not be for
production or even 100's of items. It's a cheap solution for the modeler
who wants to do just a few items and is tired of bubbles in the work. 60
bucks is cheap. Even cheaper is buy a pressure tank (HF sells them cheap
also) and use your compressor to make pressure castings. Tom Madden showed
me how to do this and it works extremely well. No high pressure, about 40
psi works.
So, here we have two great offers. What's the prospect of these being
written up, at least in
outline form, and put in the files area?? Both are likely interesting to
some of us, and it saves
each of you sending multiple emails to respond to individual requests.

SGL

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Re: Resin parts

Mark
 

Sounds like a great idea SGL. I beleive some of us would like to make castings, I have thought of it several times.
 
Sincerely, Mark Morgan MEM

--- On Sun, 12/14/08, Schuyler Larrabee <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

From: Schuyler Larrabee <schuyler.larrabee@...>
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Resin parts
To: STMFC@...
Date: Sunday, December 14, 2008, 6:27 PM







-----Original Message-----
From: Earl T. Hackett

I used RTV silicone caulk to attach a 6" PVC pipe union to some 1/2"
aluminum plate and to form a seal to some 1" thick acrylic sheet for a
see through top. A needle valve in the top allows me to control
vacuum level during resin degassing. If anyone wants details on how
to set up a resin vacuum casting system, contact me off line.
And

-----Original Message-----

I agree with both Al and Earl. As I said these would not be for
production or even 100's of items. It's a cheap solution for the modeler
who wants to do just a few items and is tired of bubbles in the work. 60
bucks is cheap. Even cheaper is buy a pressure tank (HF sells them cheap
also) and use your compressor to make pressure castings. Tom Madden showed
me how to do this and it works extremely well. No high pressure, about 40
psi works.
So, here we have two great offers. What's the prospect of these being written up, at least in
outline form, and put in the files area?? Both are likely interesting to some of us, and it saves
each of you sending multiple emails to respond to individual requests.

SGL
Re: Resin parts

Schuyler Larrabee
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Earl T. Hackett

I used RTV silicone caulk to attach a 6" PVC pipe union to some 1/2"
aluminum plate and to form a seal to some 1" thick acrylic sheet for a
see through top. A needle valve in the top allows me to control
vacuum level during resin degassing. If anyone wants details on how
to set up a resin vacuum casting system, contact me off line.
And

-----Original Message-----

I agree with both Al and Earl. As I said these would not be for
production or even 100's of items. It's a cheap solution for the modeler
who wants to do just a few items and is tired of bubbles in the work. 60
bucks is cheap. Even cheaper is buy a pressure tank (HF sells them cheap
also) and use your compressor to make pressure castings. Tom Madden showed
me how to do this and it works extremely well. No high pressure, about 40
psi works.
So, here we have two great offers. What's the prospect of these being written up, at least in
outline form, and put in the files area?? Both are likely interesting to some of us, and it saves
each of you sending multiple emails to respond to individual requests.

SGL
Re: Resin parts

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

I agree with both Al and Earl. As I said these would not be for production or even 100's of items. It's a cheap solution for the modeler who wants to do just a few items and is tired of bubbles in the work. 60 bucks is cheap. Even cheaper is buy a pressure tank (HF sells them cheap also) and use your compressor to make pressure castings. Tom Madden showed me how to do this and it works extremely well. No high pressure, about 40 psi works.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS
Re: Resin parts

Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

I second Earl's advice. That's precisely the pump that I use. Even so, contaminants can readily clog even those. We bought a second pump because one was always failing. We solved the problwm by using a tank filled with oil with a standpipe through which the air was pumped, removing possible impurities before thay reached the pump. - Al Westerfield

----- Original Message -----
From: Earl T. Hackett
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 8:17 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Resin parts


That would be Harbor Freight, importer of cheap Chinese stuff. The
pumps mentioned are intended for HVAC use, typically to pump down AC
systems prior to loading with working fluid or gas. They don't take
well to contamination and you will have a lot of contaminant coming
out of the resin at those vacuum levels. A far better pump for
casting is a Welch/Sargent Douseal pump - you may remember them from
your old high school physics or chemistry class. New they cost
between $2000 and $3000, but you can readily find used ones for about
$300. They are easy to rebuild and with no plastic or rubber seals in
the vacuum path, they tolerate contaminants very well. They are
continuous duty pumps, built from BIG hunks of steel (mine weighs in
at about 100 lbs), and will run for hours without problems.

I used RTV silicone caulk to attach a 6" PVC pipe union to some 1/2"
aluminum plate and to form a seal to some 1" thick acrylic sheet for a
see through top. A needle valve in the top allows me to control
vacuum level during resin degassing. If anyone wants details on how
to set up a resin vacuum casting system, contact me off line.

--- In STMFC@..., "Allen Cain" <allencain@...> wrote:
>
> For those of us in the "slow" corner, who is "HF" that you referred
to that
> has the vacuum pump?
>
Re: Resin parts

Earl T. Hackett <hacketet@...>
 

That would be Harbor Freight, importer of cheap Chinese stuff. The
pumps mentioned are intended for HVAC use, typically to pump down AC
systems prior to loading with working fluid or gas. They don't take
well to contamination and you will have a lot of contaminant coming
out of the resin at those vacuum levels. A far better pump for
casting is a Welch/Sargent Douseal pump - you may remember them from
your old high school physics or chemistry class. New they cost
between $2000 and $3000, but you can readily find used ones for about
$300. They are easy to rebuild and with no plastic or rubber seals in
the vacuum path, they tolerate contaminants very well. They are
continuous duty pumps, built from BIG hunks of steel (mine weighs in
at about 100 lbs), and will run for hours without problems.

I used RTV silicone caulk to attach a 6" PVC pipe union to some 1/2"
aluminum plate and to form a seal to some 1" thick acrylic sheet for a
see through top. A needle valve in the top allows me to control
vacuum level during resin degassing. If anyone wants details on how
to set up a resin vacuum casting system, contact me off line.

--- In STMFC@..., "Allen Cain" <allencain@...> wrote:

For those of us in the "slow" corner, who is "HF" that you referred
to that
has the vacuum pump?
Re: Resin parts

Allen Cain <allencain@...>
 

For those of us in the "slow" corner, who is "HF" that you referred to that
has the vacuum pump?



Thanks,



Allen Cain
Re: 1925 photos around Omaha

Steve SANDIFER
 

Pappa Bens is moving. They closed about 6-8 months ago but should be open again in a week or two. I have no idea if the stock will be as extensive or not. The Houston Roundhouse had nearly everything I ever needed, so I miss Wayne. G&G is the scratchbuilder's paradise.
______________
J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer
mailto:steve.sandifer@...
Home: 12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918
Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX 77025, 713-667-9417

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Hillman
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: 1925 photos around Omaha


Hello A.T.,

Which 2 hobby shops closed in Houston, where I live north of?

I knew about the Houston Roundhouse closing, but what was the other one?

Paul Hillman

----- Original Message -----
From: proto48er<mailto:atkott@...>
To: STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC@...>
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 7:02 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: 1925 photos around Omaha

Guys -

Thanks for the nice comments!

Richard and Tony - We do not have a real hobby shop here (San Antonio,
9th largest city in U.S.), two recently closed in Houston (where I have
been buying books), and the good one in Austin is supposedly closing in
January! Looks like I will have to resort to ordering books on-line!
Was hoping to pick up the reefer book and the latest SP freight car
book at Papa Ben's in Houston last week, but it is not open at the new
location.

The photos are really wonderful. I would love to have wet prints of
all of them! The trackwork was amazing! It would be interesting to
have seen those times, but I'll bet there was some hard work done in
bad conditions at some of those buildings.

A.T. Kott
Re: Resin parts

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

I wrote:
That's a quite good vacuum, Jon . . . It's less than one 10,000th.
Stopped typing too soon. I should have said "one 10,000th of an atmosphere."

Anthony Thompson
Dept. of Materials Science & Engineering
University of California, Berkeley
thompsonmarytony@...
Re: Resin parts

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Jon Miller wrote:
As I don't know the translation of 75 micron/10 Pascal maximum vacuum to inches of mercury.
That's a quite good vacuum, Jon, far beyond what's needed for resin casting. And those microns? They are micrometers of mercury, so convert them into inches and you have it. It's less than one 10,000th.

Anthony Thompson
Dept. of Materials Science & Engineering
University of California, Berkeley
thompsonmarytony@...
Re: Resin parts

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

For those who might wish to make minor parts of resin. for their steam era freight cars, HF now stocks vacuum pumps in two sizes. I doubt these will do any work beyond small parts because price equals quality.
As I don't know the translation of 75 micron/10 Pascal maximum vacuum to inches of mercury.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS
Re: 1925 photos around Omaha

Paul Hillman
 

Hello A.T.,

Which 2 hobby shops closed in Houston, where I live north of?

I knew about the Houston Roundhouse closing, but what was the other one?

Paul Hillman

----- Original Message -----
From: proto48er<mailto:atkott@...>
To: STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC@...>
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 7:02 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: 1925 photos around Omaha


Guys -

Thanks for the nice comments!

Richard and Tony - We do not have a real hobby shop here (San Antonio,
9th largest city in U.S.), two recently closed in Houston (where I have
been buying books), and the good one in Austin is supposedly closing in
January! Looks like I will have to resort to ordering books on-line!
Was hoping to pick up the reefer book and the latest SP freight car
book at Papa Ben's in Houston last week, but it is not open at the new
location.

The photos are really wonderful. I would love to have wet prints of
all of them! The trackwork was amazing! It would be interesting to
have seen those times, but I'll bet there was some hard work done in
bad conditions at some of those buildings.

A.T. Kott
Re: LCL Cement Container Decals

Rich C
 

Thanks Chuck, I will keep that in mind.
Rich C

--- On Thu, 12/11/08, RUTLANDRS@... <RUTLANDRS@...> wrote:

From: RUTLANDRS@... <RUTLANDRS@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: LCL Cement Container Decals
To: STMFC@...
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 10:28 PM






Rich,
You may be able to get a set of O scale decals from Rich Yoder at Yoder
Models, then either reduce them or maybe the printer can use them as artwork
(?).
Chuck Hladik


In a message dated 12/11/2008 8:45:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
rhcdmc@yahoo. com writes:

Bob & Jerry

I myself don't have any artwork. I would be interested in sets of all the
railroads that had the LCL Cement cars. I know the D&H & NYC had them, and am
sure a few others had them too. Don't know if this counts towards a set, but
the gon holds 6 containers.

Thanks gentlemen,
Rich C

--- On Thu, 12/11/08, Bob Anson <_e2picasso@yahoo. e2p_
(mailto:e2picasso@yahoo. com) > wrote:

From: Bob Anson <_e2picasso@yahoo. e2p_ (mailto:e2picasso@yahoo. com) >
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: LCL Cement Container Decals
To: _STMFC@yahoogroups. STM_ (mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups. com)
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 6:46 AM

contact me next week. i have artwork and an Alps printer

Bob Anson %~)

--- On Thu, 12/11/08, jerryglow2 <jerryglow@comcast. net> wrote:
From: jerryglow2 <jerryglow@comcast. net>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: LCL Cement Container Decals
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 7:01 AM

How many do you need and are you capable of laying out the artwork?

There are several custom printers who could do it - you'd need the data

of course to do the masters. Contact me directly if interested in

pursuing this approach. (I am NOT soliciting work - I've just done

artwork for a commercial company and had decals done privately).

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, "Rich Christie" <rhcdmc@...> wrote:

Does anyone know who makes them? There once was a modeling article in
MR on kitbashing an Athearn gondola into a Lehigh Valley cement gon.
The author mentioned 7th Street Depot. I tried contacting them about
a

year ago, no answer at the phone number provided.
Thanks,
Rich C
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